You don’t have an explanation for your paranormal experiences. You don’t actually know what you experienced, you don’t actually know what you saw. If you spoke with someone or something, you don’t know if they were honest, or presented themselves honestly. Some of you may try to fit your paranormal experiences into a religious worldview; I expect most people do that, it’s very common on this board.People like to feel like they understand because it gives them a sense of control in a situation where they have none. Feeling like your experience is explainable, or that you’re safe because of God or whatever else, helps you cope with what happened, but I would beg you to keep an open mind about this.Let go. Release this absurd notion that you understand what happened to you, that you know what you saw or heard or felt. I’ve had plenty of paranormal experiences. It’s almost mundane to me now, but I don’t claim to know for sure what I saw and what I felt. I wis my attitude was more common, people are too afraid to admit they don’t really have the answers.Feel free to post about your experiences and maybe we can discuss them rationally. I can talk about mine as well if you want. I expect the typical arrogance and egotistical posts, but I always hope for the best.
>>41664060On the contrary I know exactly what caused them
>>41664072I’m sure it comforts you to believe that, but you have no way of knowing for sure. It’s not like these experiences are testable or repeatable, and the entities, human or otherwise, are too good to get caught from what I can tell. So, we’re left with anecdotal experience and that’s not enough to know for sure. We are fallible and flawed and our senses can be manipulated
>>41664095No. He knows.
>>41664119this is exactly the sort of arrogance I was talking about. You’re a perfect example if nothing else
>>41664122Nah
>>41664060I have paranormal experiences every day but my brain blocks them from my consciousness. I don't think I could handle it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=za-6RgoJer4
>>41664138if your brain blocks it from your consciousness then how do you know you’re having them?
>>41664060Paranormal experiences and religious world views literally go hand in hand. Wtf are you talking about
>>41664164I consider it the height of stupidity to have a paranormal experience and think >hmmm…this must be an entity from my religion that I happened to grow up with seems far more intelligent to keep an open mind about things rather than just assuming it proves whatever mythology you happen to like. Religion is always there to offer explanations for people, but you would be a fool to believe them, just like you’d be a fool to believe people on this board who claim to have all the answers
>>41664060i know exactly what's going on. your brain is fucking with you. i'm schizoaffective so it happens to me all the time. there's nothing paranormal about it, if you want to learn more, study neuroscience
>itt we gaslight so hard it would make adolf blush like an autistic schoolgirl
>>41664060i could agree with this. most things of any interest at all fall almost strictly outside of our possible ability to conceive of fully. Hence them being mysterious or elusive to us. It's in the name of the terms. (para)normal. (super)natural.To dismiss the explanations, which is the only shared commonality as purely egocentric is maybe a little divisive. >Lets be rational in exploratory discussions.>Your rationalisations are only representative of your inherent ignorant limits. Also, if you open your mind too much, your brain can fall out. 'I’ve had plenty of paranormal experiences. It’s almost mundane to me now, but I don’t claim to know for sure what I saw and what I felt' naturally the unexplainable will remain so until adequately defined. but the other side of that, is 'not seeking to explain what you dont understand' and that is not indicative of the paranormal or supernatural. only that you dont and dont want to find out what caused something you considered strange. this strange occurance maybe in fact be a non-anomalous experience to all but you. ego and arrogance does little for discussion or exploration. you are right.tell me about some of your experiences?
>>41664206what a perfect cover for these entities, that people like you will just assume insanity whenever we talk about our experiences. I know hallucinations and such can be caused by mental disorders, and I also know you won’t believe me when I tell you that’s not the case with me. I’ve made peace with that, but even if I were mad, it would not explain the strange behavior of life around me during these experiences. It synchronizes you with the life around you, making you feel like a thread in a tapestry, making it almost dance for you. Strange exotic animals and insects, flocks of birds flying over a synchronistic times, lots of bugs falling in front of you and dying, finding dead animals everywhere all the time, etc. I’ve seen things and felt things touch me and even heard them, but I know those could be hallucinations. They’re not what I find convincing, it’s the power over life itself, the realization that I can be controlled just as easily as the life around me, that we’re all moving to another’s dance. My personal theory is that it’s some kind of collective consciousness but I don’t know for sure
>>41664228I’ve had hands claw at my chest from inside my chest. I heard the wailing and growling and screeching of what was doing it, like hands clawing at me from the depths of hell. I’ve felt hands around my throat choking me, I’ve been put in this paralyzed state, my body moves on its own sometimes, which makes me question how much of my actions are my own will. Am i completely controlled or partially? I’ve seen things, all the time, usually out of the corner of my eye. It’s usually a series of things, like an insect flies in my face and I turn and see something move past my door, so I go and look and there’s a shadow person at the end of the hallway, and it slowly slides to the left out of sight into the other room. One time I was meditating outside late at night and I began hearing snakes and then a lion growling and walking around me, bushes were making noise, etc. I could keep going. There’s always signs and they come in waves. Just when you think they’ve left you alone, they do more shit. Dead things are always the biggest sign: insects and birds and cats dying around you, etc. things will just fall in front of you and start dying while you’re sitting there, it happens a lot. Writhing on the floor.Animals and insects also behave very strangely around me when they’re not dying slowly, occasionally behaving as if they’re far more intelligent than they’re letting on, purposely trying to get your attention. I could go on, but you get the point. There’s some entity around me, and I don’t know what it is, but it frustrates me that when I tell people about it, 95% of responses are:A)You’re crazy orB)It’s my religion actually
>>41664187The height of stupidity is posting on /x/ and using a phrase like >an entity from from my religion that I happened to grow up withA lot of anons on this board have gone so far down the path of spirituality they've made it their personal hobby to read about ancient Egyptian black magic, gnosticism, kabbala, and whatever the fuck else, sometimes to the point of insanity. I don't know where the fuck you think you are, but it's not reddit
>>41664296you’re no different than religious people, reading old books written by people with no evidence just saying shit, no way of knowing if they’re correct, no way to verify their claims. All this woo woo spiritual crap, ritual and tradition and symbolism. No doubt these entities play along, make you think you actually did something or that you have some power, or that your religion is correct. They fuck with people, they certainly fuck with me. They probably show up as Allah to one person, Jesus the next, then Vishnu to another, and then pit them all against each other. We’re pets in a cage, toys in a box, we don’t know shit. You might be in a cult that told you shit, you might have seen some shit, you might have done a spell and thought it worked because these things entertained your delusions, but I don’t buy it. They’re fucking with us.
>>41664321You should get ahold of some books on the occult and perform some kind of blood magic, then come back to me and see if it's all just "old books with no evidence". They didn't burn witches at the stake because because people were just crazy back then
>>41664365i would have no way of knowing if the results were caused by my magic or by something else. It could just be some entity saw you doing some stuff and decided to play along. I think the specifics and rituals people do are essentially just elaborate peacocking to get the attention of “the gods” in the hopes that they will do your bidding, and that none of the details actually matter. As long as you’re doing stuff like blood magic, you’ll be attracting their attention, which I think explains the paranormal stuff people experience.
>>41664138>i have paranormal experiences but i never experience anything paranormal
>>41664211I’m not saying your paranormal experiences are hallucinations or delusions, I’m saying they’re probably not whatever you think they are, which is usually some sort of occult religious worldview. I expect you’re like the rest, you want to feel special and powerful with your esoteric occult wisdom, better than admitting you don’t actually know for sure what you interacted with
>>41667421What you're highlighting is an epistemological conundrum which becomes even more significant once the realities of paranormal phenomenon are properly considered. The question of how can we KNOW that we know something deepens in complexity when there also appears to be a superior intelligence seemingly manipulating our perceptions and ideas of truth. It's an important point and one that may be key to untangling the webs. I've had paranormal experiences similar to ones you've described, which interestingly would fit well within a religious framework that I was familiar with and even adhering to at the time. Yet, now equipped with hindsight, seem a bit too... convenient.Another appropriate example is when UFO experiencers speak of telepathic "downloads" and communication which tell them that these beings are from other planets that are tasked with x y z goal. Fine, great. But why should we automatically trust information from someone or something that, in 100% of cases, will not promulgate this information to a global audience? It's covert, secretive, obfuscated, and therefore highly suspicious.
>>41664060Do you have any theory on what these entities might be?
>>41664060If we want to start with paranormal experiences. We should look no further than our dream characters. They are very paranormal when you think about it. To me, I think they might be aliens feeding on our emotions.I remember one dream where I interviewed one of my dream characters. I ask if they are here to hurt humans. It smiled at me and shape shifted into a tall grey and pointed her finger at me. I felt a dark force in my stomach and then a guide who was inside of me said " they say Hi!" Really loud. It scared the dream character and when I looked out the window I noticed the dream characters looking up and a voice said to me "they know we're here!" Then I woke up
>>41667669 His goal is to make you doubt yourself. Just another glowie.
>>41667552>Yet, now equipped with hindsight, seem a bit too... convenient.yes, exactly! you’d almost be forgiven for thinking that it was the intention of these entities was to push people into religious thinking. Perhaps they want conflict for whatever reason, and pit people against each other. It’s impossible to know for sure. >It's covert, secretive, obfuscated, and therefore highly suspicious.Once again, exactly. I’m my experience, there is an overwhelming desire to trust these entities during these events, which may be a result of the manipulation of our minds. After the fact you become far more suspicious and jaded, whereas in the moment it is an almost religious experience that you never want to end. I get the impression our minds are as easily manipulated by their invisible hand as a computer is manipulated by a keyboard. It’s no wonder so many people just accept their experience uncritically, without skepticism. Even the best of us want to believe in those moments, and it’s hard to let go. It’s comforting, makes you feel special.
>>41667669aliens, humans from an advanced secret society, humans from the future, entities from the multiverse(if it exists) I also have a lot of theories involving higher dimensions. I think the body perceives a higher dimensional existence which our conscious mind is not fully aware of. I believe, essentially, that our consciousness is not merely an emergent property of the body, but also influenced by other consciousness in higher dimensions. I believe, essentially, that consciousness can somehow transmit information to each other in higher dimensions, or that our body can perceive other consciousnesses in those higher dimensions. We perceive within space-time in 4 dimensions, but perhaps our bodies are perceiving higher dimensions than our consciousness can, and that this is the explanation for how life seems to synchronize with other life. It explains things like the crossword puzzle experiment, where different isolated groups of people seem to learn from previous groups despite having no contact, or how isolated animals on islands seem to learn from other isolated groups without contact.
>>41667828Ever heard of the bicameral mind theory?https://youtu.be/VaYJVSEoN-Y?si=zkusLaoXPrm4DVLMMaybe this theory can explain what these really are.
>>41667878so essentially you’re saying that these entities are a dormant aspect of our brain or consciousness that is communicating with itself through paranormal experiences? I mean, that’s very interesting to think about. It’s similar to a person hallucinating voices today, perhaps you think hallucinations and paranormal experiences are either the same thing, or caused by the same thing? I have a lot of ideas about consciousness, and I hate how the definition is circular (what is consciousness? Awareness. What is awareness? Consciousness) we don’t know a lot about consciousness which is why it’s such an interesting topic for me.
>>41667927>so essentially you’re saying that these entities are a dormant aspect of our brain.Yes, but you can wake them up and turn them into tulpa like I did.
>>41664060I’ve seen a ghost as a young child, the memory is clear as day to me even now, but for some reason I still don’t believe. I feel like I’ve been in a perpetual state of denial all my life, I can’t bring myself to accept that what my eyes saw was true. I was raised atheist, so my family wouldn’t even entertain the idea. Sometimes I wonder if I have a latent spiritual sensitivity that has been dulled or limited somehow.
>>41668007but then how do you explain their ability to manipulate life? They seem to be able to “possess” things to behave in strange ways. Your theory would suggest, essentially, that this is some kind of secret superpower that people have, and that my paranormal experiences with bugs and animals was actually my power over them? Well it’s certainly an empowering thought(though in another sense there is a sense of powerlessness in that you are in conscious control of this), and it’s also comforting in a way, but I’m not so sure. Interesting theory nonetheless, thanks for posting it. I am skeptical of “people have superpowers and here’s how you unlock them in 9 easy steps!” but I have my own theories that are essentially superpowers in a way, so we’re not so different
>>41668030*not in conscious control
>>41668030>but then how do you explain their ability to manipulate life?Haha, got a video that explains this. It's a bit complicated and you should check his channel out.https://youtu.be/fVN8JITUjkE?si=DjNkqIVgwKoFoKkI
>>41667828>the intention of these entities was to push people into religious thinkingwe can easily find evidence of this within events like the Marian apparitions, which straight up tell witnesses that they've deviated from the teachings of the catholic church. >our minds are as easily manipulated by their invisible hand as a computer is manipulated by a keyboard.if we even look at human-made modern examples like advertising, they accomplish this via the induction of emotional responses to what you see on a billboard/screen and the subconscious association of that response with the product being advertised. films, songs, etc all do this in order to create a resonance and therefore significance within the subject's mind. how do the ruling class drum up support for war and conflict that is to their own benefit but not to the populace? stir up fear and anger.how does this compare to religious and paranormal events? experiencers and witnesses time and time again report a variety of emotions, such as extreme/overwhelming love, joy, awe, and on the darker side fear and terror. imagine how powerful a message can be if it's punctuated with the most powerful feeling of overt love and wonder that you've ever felt? it acts almost like a sealant or capstone to reinforce the material or message being conveyed. it's pure manipulation like you're suspecting.i don't want to attack experiencers, yet 99/100 times they buy the narrative they're being sold no questions asked simply because they felt extreme love in tandem with the experience. surely these emotional responses can be manufactured, and not be the result of a genuine expression from an intelligence. how often do sociopaths and psychopaths convince their partners that they truly love them even as the cycle of abuse continues for years on end?
>>41668073I’m about 3 minutes in, and I can already tell there is a ton of stuff I missing the context on. Can you, perhaps, summarize for me, or provide the context for what he’s talking about?
>>41668023>but for some reason I still don’t believeyou're too attached to a materialistic consensus of reality that won't allow for it. sans some mental illness that in all likelihood you don't have, your own experience is king. nothing else is more important or meaningful.
>>41668119Not really good at explaining stuff, but I will try.From what I get this video explains how synchronicity works. It explains that synchronicities come from a future version of your present self. Sort of like time travel. Like you said, maybe these entities are time travelers. So Zel knew there would be a paper left behind at that spot because she went to the future version where he went there to check and came back to his past self to tell him to go to that spot.
>>41668090It is refreshing to meet somebody who is as skeptical of these entities as I am. They put you on an emotional rollercoaster and send you out into the world like the bush sent moses. the burning bush scene from the prince of Egypt is a really good representation of what it’s like to get a “sales pitch from the gods.” They really know how to sell it. I am certainly in an abusive relationship with this entity, whatever it is (even if it’s just a dormant aspect of my own mind like the other anon was saying) no matter how rational I try to be though, I know if these things come back I’ll fall right back into blissful mania like the rest. I may grow suspicious as time passes, but in the moment, I’m just as captured as anyone, even more so since my life really sucks so it’s a huge contrast with what I’m normally feeling. Even if I know it’s a trick, it still feels good. It’s like eating steak in the matrix
Except I do. For example, I was just reading in Popular Mechanics that time reflections as they put it are real; if electromagnetic waves for example carrying information between our minds as we are all made of vibrations but the medium in which the electromagnetic wave is traveling is suddenly changed, that changes the electromagnetic waves traveling through the medium, and one of the effects this has is rebounding a reversed instance of the vibrations being transmitted through the material.This has just been demonstrated as being possible and this communicated through media here on Earth, but I hypothesized this was the case at age 5 and I hadn't heard or read of any of these concepts, not electromagnetic waves or even time. I did this during my meditations destroying my brain cells to maximize my learning and occult communication with said alterations.I chose my psychic powers. If I could have chosen they'd be easier to obtain or not require practice at all I would have done that, but I chose what I experience in the paranormal. And mine is the progenitor from which all else distanced itself; birthing itself out of nothing, I could have remained distant from you, but I came to be of mortal form to spread the word of true occult power, of brain cell alteration and the like, and to help with it's application.
>>41668183>no matter how rational I try to be though, I know if these things come back I’ll fall right back into blissful maniaLmao. I know how you feel...
>>41668177>because she went to the future version where he went there to check and came back to his past self to tell him to go to that spot.oh boy, a time travel paradox.I’ve written about synchronicities, I think they are the most compelling evidence for the paranormal that we can point to. They’re certainly the primary reason I believe in a collective consciousness, or some kind of higher dimensional communication between consciousnesses, as a way of explaining why synchronicities happen. I believe, for instance, that in higher dimensions, everything essentially happens at the same time in the same place, overlapping, and that our bodies can access information from this higher dimension state, where everything that ever existed or will exist happens at the same time in the same place, overlapping. That is how my theory explains these feats of “time travel” or perceiving “through time,” but I love hearing other theories about it. I’ve written like a hundred pages about this stuff privately but I don’t usually show anyone since they’ll just think your crazy.
>>41668183you're definitely not alone in your suspicions, he's obviously extremely well-known but Vallee provides a lot of examples in his books that notate and draw attention to the fact that through the sheer variety of experiences it becomes next to impossible to come to conclusions that take the phenomenon at face value. unfortunately, if we can become aware of this abuse such as what you're subject to and identify it, imagine just how aware the entities themselves are of the pure scope of the abuse of power that they're committing. they're vastly superior in almost every conceivable way, yet morally bankrupt. perhaps they're not superior in this one way that truly matters.
>>41668189>time reflectionsoh cool this is interesting, so correct me if I’m wrong, but this means that electromagnetic waves, when passing through certain conditions, travel back through time in a flipped, reverse sort of way? Because that’s really cool if I’m understanding that right. Thanks for referencing the article, it was a good read >and actually I’m space Jesus and I can teach you how to have superpowers yup, there it is. Your post was really good up until that point, thanks for posting anyway
>>41668315It's true though, and at age 5 it occurred to me how that could a/the (it's one of them) sources of visions from the future, and to make them easily cognizable say if you were dreaming and only partially aware of your future vision and it's significance, the inverted nature of all of the stimuli would have to be corrected into a more recognizable form, or else you might have trouble recognizing the significance, the resemblance and what it means. I began installing brain cells in other beings on the day I thought of that to help me to inverted such time reflections into a more readily understandable form once more for myself, but I'll create many more later in this life time and others and so will others for themselves in serve to this Holy Plan, and together all of these changes will help spread and improve a super power.
People fit their experiences into the framework/frameworks they subscribe to because they have a need of keeping a sense of control over their reality. Lets just say you observe an anomalous event like seeing a floating orb of light. You can interpret it as an angel, an ufo, a ghost or as a phenomenon that have a simple physical explanation.It all depends on what framework you filter your experiences through.
