I've been a devotee to Lilith for a few years now. It's a whole story but essentially I was Christian almost all my life, until I came to the conclusion that God just didn't want me as his child because I never felt his presence, his love, my prayers felt unheard, and it was like the closer I got the worse my life became. So due to this I started looking into other deities, and I found Lilith. She gives me all of those things God never did. When I pray to her, I can feel she hears. When I call upon her, I feel her presence. I love her, and she is my goddess. But because of said Christian upbringing and life, I gotta admit I do fear going to the eternal rape and torture dungeon called Hell that the "loving god" sends bad boys and girls to. I've read that if the Qliphothic system is the real system, then I'm gonna head to the realm of Gamariel where Lilith rules, but im not sure. It's such a niche system. Anyways, my hopes is that God is as forgiving as they say he is if he's real, and if he's not my hope is that Lilith won't let me be tortured forever in Hell. Please help me figure this question out
>>41675050Is lilith a nigger?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxn5yO6DLF0&t=315s
>>41675050Let go of all fear, look inside and figure out who you are. Be true to yourself. That's probably as much as I can say, because you're not ready to accept anything else I have to say.
>>41675281Are you?
>>41675298your waifu is a mutt that likes big bull cock you will never compare to baal
>>41675050>I've been a devotee to Lilith for a few years now.Sorry to hear.>I was Christian almost all my life, until I came to the conclusion that God just didn't want me as his child because I never felt his presence, his love, my prayers felt unheardKeyword "I">I came to the conclusion(You) Came to that conclusion, not God. To be Christian is to try to imitate Christ, hence the name Christ+ian. Remember Christ in the garden of agony? Remember where He cried and gritted his teeth in prayer, begging for God to spare Him from his fate of crucifixion? Remember how God didn't reply to his prayer? Remember when He was on the cross, and even as He was dying, His didn't answer? Remember where he cried out "Father, why have you forsaken me?"You had been imitating Christ without knowing. And then you stopped, trading Christ in for a demon. >She gives me all of those things God never did.Yeah, so does Satan. When I had prayed to Lucifer for things the response time was pretty fast, I got money I got power when I asked. What you don't realize is the price, the hidden cost. By the time you find out, you're close to death. Bodily and spiritually, so just a heads up OP.>I gotta admit I do fear going to the eternal rape and torture dungeon called Hell You chose that. You admitted that earlier, you swapped Christ for Lilith, and you did so knowingly. At any rate, you will go to Hell sooner than you think. And it can happen in this life. You plunge into it while alive, from within. And if you die in that state, that's where you go eternally.>Anyway I hope God is forgiving as they sayForgiveness is a choice, one God makes eternally. Accepting forgiveness is also a choice. Forgiveness require two participants, the one who forgives and the one who is forgiven. And if you refuse to accept the forgiveness you won't be forgiven. If you refuse God, you won't be with God when you die.>hope is that Lilith won't let me be tortured foreverLilith lures you there.
>>41675050>>41675320(Continued)>Lilith lures you thereSuccubus, Siren, Temptress. All three of them are as sweet as honey, very 'loving'. That's the trap OP, to kill you with a smile. Because demons know you fall for it, demons know you are desperate for it, and they will oblige. Let's say you hated someone and you know they are alcoholic and depressed. How to do it without appearing obvious in your wicked intent? How do you do it without facing legal consequences? How do you make a man destroy himself without lifting a finger? Be his friend. Give sweet encouragements, reassurances, let him know his life is hard and he is not to be blamed for drinking, tell him he has a right to regulate his own pain, give him a drink, then a strong one, and a stronger one. Smile while listening to all his woes and give a shoulder for him to cry on. But never tell him how to slay his demons, just tell him how to numb himself. Hand him the drink. Watch him rot, watch him either, watch him die. Exonerate yourself as a hero, a kind "saviour", convince yourself you are "loving" person as you knowingly poison him by proxy, using his own despair as the means to do it. That's how Lilith works. Of course she is sweet and alluring and comforting, she ha to be. Otherwise you will open your eyes and witness the path to Hell she is slowly pushing you into.
>>41675050We're already there.
How could we rid the world of such evil?How can we responsibly awaken those who have been abandoned to such a degree that they choose to feed their waking thoughts and energy to these things under a false premise?
>>41675050Why do you fear Hell?
>>41675406>How could we rid the world of such evil?The answer is simple. But the problem with it is that its too simple, much too simple. To rid the world of all evil: Man must stop choosing it, that’s it. That’s the cure right there. If every man on the Earth were to stop choosing it today, in the next hour even, no more evil. Imagine how funny it is and hilarious it must seem to Satan, that the exit to evil is always in front of man yet he scuttles around aimlessly like a beheaded chicken never finding it.Humans fancy themselves as “intelligent”, “complex”, and “deep”. So Satan hides the exit on the surface, in simplicity, so that man may never find it. >How can we responsibly awaken those who have been abandoned to such a degree that they choose to feed their waking thoughts and energy to these things under a false premise?Pain & suffering is the cure. By that I mean, man must own his own pain rather than giving it to demons. The reason God does not lift our pain is because God does not take what is ours. God would rather we turn suffering into wisdom, and pain into passion. So that we can become more like God and less like a beast. God doesn’t answer, because God trusts us with the pain. Yes, just as we are called to put faith in God, it also means God has faith in us. God trusts us to carry our pain, full well knowing it leads to rarifying our souls. Like how a blacksmith trusts the metal as he plunges it into a furnace that it will be as steel one day. We are to trust that day arrives too. In the meantime, demons will do anything to erode, subvert and snuff out this trust. Which is how & why Lilith showed up into OP’s life. She does not want him to be forged into strength. She wants him to break instead.
Thanks for destroying my life<3 Hope i never see or talk to you ever again. Leave me alone.
>>41675432I understand but if evil was in the room between us right now kicking someone who was down, op for example, i would hope you'd fight it with me.Your solution is to wait for a world that perpetuates its ways to sort itself out until people who suffer and have nothing else to cling to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, just magically get the idea that they're worthwhile when the environment tells them otherwise. When the scales are so stacked can we really expect people to leverage whatever glimmer of light might reach them into lasting change for the better?I feel like we should do something other than to just accept and direct attention elsewhere. Shouldn't we try to at least make them want something else by the volition left to us?If evil is doing propaganda and latching itself onto our collective subconscious should we really just let it run rampant and not try to somehow mercifully and responsibly dispel the illusions that plague what are often good people that have been mislead?Yeah people are stronger than they realize but it doesn't have to be like this, in theory life is so easy that you don't even need to understand the rules but the systems are out of whack, the fail-safes are distant. Are we not supposed to be one of the pillars people could turn to against their own ruin?
>>41675050Lilith is a night-demon, similar to the Old Hag, succubi/incubi, or other sleep paralysis creatures. There's no historical or archaeological evidence of worship as a deity, or prayer outside the "Please, leave us alone" sort of begging.I don't believe in Hell, but I am baffled by people who would worship something that isn't a deity. It feels... small.Pic semi-related. Sometimes identified as a lilitu, but honestly more likely to be Inanna or (my personal opinion) Ereshkigal.>>41675281Don't be a cunt.
>>41675050Yes, she is a demon. Repent your sins.
>>41675480Idk why anyone would choose to worship the uberfeminist demon that got kicked out of the Garden of Eden for being such a massive bitch. Notice how a large portion of MtF transgenders call themselves Lilith?
>>41675499Let's be honest, that story is just a Rabbinic explanation for why there are two stories of man and woman being created together, then one after the other. As well as an excuse to explain the lilith-demon.But you're right, it's probably that story and feminists to blame for the deification.I don't know shit about trans people though.
>>41675050>Gpd told me no so I began worshiping a demon instead of Him. Why don't you read any of the major prophets and figure out God's opinions on that sort of thing. Isaiah, Jeremiah, or Ezekielwould be a good start and it would be much more reliable than what you're going to find on a 4chan board if you want the truth of the matter from a Christian perspective. As yhou can imagine, the road you are on leads fo everalsting punishment. It is never too late to turn back. If you decide to repent, you should recognize that God has perfect knowledge and that He says "no" for a reason. Faith is not just believing in God, it is believing Him to make the right choices. You have choices too.
>>41675320>When I had prayed to Lucifer for things the response time was pretty fast, I got money I got power when I askedDo you pray to God/Christ for money and power too?
>>41675050That's something you would want to discuss with her.
>>41675417why not? hell is scary
>>41675050you cannot serve two masters, you either have only god in your heart or you are damned.
>>41675432>The answer is simple. But the problem with it is that its too simple, much too simple. To rid the world of all evil: Man must stop choosing it, that’s it. That’s the cure right there. If every man on the Earth were to stop choosing it today, in the next hour even, no more evil.It's not a cure if it's not practically implementable and you presume simplicity because the picture is more complicated thab you can imagine. The very bottomline is that human spirits have been subject of astral abuse and closed themselves off from abusive spiritual influences. Enthralling someones consciousness to the degree where lifechoices are not questioned is done on a daily basis and sticking your head above the field will yield result in amplified attempts. People with notabke spiritual accomplishments can counteract it but you cannot judt blame every individual person for making decisions when they are not their lucid and authentic self.I understand you want to highlight the importance of people being harder and critical of themselves. I agree. But the world would be better off if the mental realms of people were simply cleansed of that vile influence. >Pain & suffering is the cureNo, it is a very inefficient route to inner change and a forced route as well. Changing yourself takes one decision and then a series of habitual changes. I would agree that the freedom to choose how you suffer (to grow) is important though.>We are to trust that day arrives too. In the meantime, demons will do anything to erode, subvert and snuff out this trust.I think it's ironic that you highlight in one breath the persona of the individual who entices his drunken "friend" and supports them with a smile, while in the next you take on the same mask, say "trust the plan, the demons will erode it but you have to stay the course". As if trading one demon for the other. You already said it yourself: we have a collective sense of apathy. The world can be better if we will it.
>>41675464>literally do nothing>mental influence affects viewpoints>things get harder>troubling things manifestI dont know for whom you intended your message but half of it misses the mark. Solve your problems effectively. If you sre tangled in an immaterial web dont be surprised that antagonistic influences appear, often in appearances familiar.
>>41675050If the only reason you're hesitating or thinking about turning back is because you're scared of some cosmic punishment chamber, then you're still operating from fear, not from genuine conviction.If someone only behaves or believes out of terror of punishment, a lot of these darker systems would say that's exactly the weak, herd-mentality stance that deserves whatever harsh lesson comes next.
everyone on this board is going to hell anon.
>doesn't want to go to hell because it's scary and ruled by demons>wants to go to the realm where THE femdom demon is queenYeah....that's still just hell my guy
>>41675050"Lilith" as you understand her is a New Age concept conjured up by formerly-practicing Jewish feminists as a call back to the "she-demon" mentioned in the Talmud. It was done as a point of pride, for the same reason other groups reclaim derogatory terms.Even in her earliest depictions, "she" is just another Lilu (there is no such thing as a "lilītu" these entities are genderless fleshdolls with no genitalia), a pest moreso than anything else. She was certainly not Adam's "first wife" lmao, that's actual New Age nonsense.Also keep in mind that many of the individuals involved in the creation of her modern image, were also heavily associated with individuals involved in the formation and individual maintenance of the military industrial complex, the five eyes alliance, and the think tank bureaucracy that determines D.C. policy today. The same people who established the current world order, and were also a part of the previous world order, are now laying the groundwork for the next world order after this one collapses.They create an egregore around "Lilith" turning the demon Lilin into a "Goddess" to tempt the future Champion of Light with. What they do not understand is that Joshua is NOT in fact, Yeshua been Yosef: he just looks and acts incredibly similar to him. They think we are in Revelation - they are wrong. Yeshua is not actually returning - he already did, and is now running the show in the same position his father once held. Yahweh has been retired for tens of thousands of years now, like his father El before him. The second coming came and went - millennial kingdom too.We are in the Devil's Little Season right now. Everything you know is wrong.>>41675480Definitely Ereshkigal given the historical context of its construction and usage. The only reason there's even a debate still is because we haven't found a note or a sign of some kind that literally says "this is Ereshkigal", so there's still a non-zero chance it could be Inanna.
>>41676150Oh hey! Are you the Bozrah anon?
>>41675480>baffled by people who would worship something that isn't a deitymen and beast can have a grand effect on the world. some would say more then any deity that can be proven
>>41675281>Is lilith a nigger?Actually yeah they are. Check this out. It's the nigger code. Hee hee hee..
>>41675050You are literally a spiritual lolcow/harvestee, most of these monitoring spirits, probably even the ‘Lilith’ you are in contact with, are just lowly pleasure machines and astral jesters, that shift your mindset to certain desires to align with what is being harvested.Do you really think a ancient ‘highly ranked’ demonic entity is going to take the time to talk, assist and take a deeper interest in some gooner from 4chan? Maybe if you were like some bodhisattva occultist, but playing probability that is not you. Really you are either in communion with the spiritual equivalent of Indian tech support or are being scammed by some jester-maxxed spirit.
>>41676831not even a single similarity, oof anon, better keep studying your jew magic
>>41675050I'm curious what type of things do you pray for to lilith?
>>41677025turthnuke but the spirits are consolation prizes for losers who have nothing better to do anyway so it doesnt mattah
>>41675467>I understand but if evil was in the room between us right now kicking someone who was down, op for example, i would hope you'd fight it with me.No need for hope, that's what's been done, it's why I bothered to tell OP what needs to be said. >Your solution is to wait for a world that will sort itself out until people who suffer and have nothing else to cling to pull themselves up by the bootstrapsNot my solution to execute, OP's solution to do so. Ideally it would be nice if people could wake up and face evil before being victim to it. Unfortunately not many do, many only discern it after they've been devoured. That's not my hope or solution, nor God's. That is man's choice. >I feel like we should do something other than to just accept and direct attention elsewhere.Agreed. So direction the attention to God first and foremost. Secondly if you must direct attention to the demonic, do it the same way a commander studies his enemy, in a way that learns how the demonic work so as to reverse their tricks and deceptions.>Shouldn't we try to at least make them want something else by the volition left to us?We can't make them want anything. We can try, but we'd be playing the same game as the demon. Demons strive to make men want things, to lead them astray. Do you trust humans to do better? >Are we not supposed to be one of the pillars people could turn to against their own ruin?We're called to be a light in the dark for others. To help light their candles, share the light. That light a reflection of God's own. Doesn't come from us, we simply reflect it.>>41675704>Do you pray to God for money and power too?No. Instead of praying to God for things, I pray for the strength or wisdom to attain those things if it's in accordance with His will. God would rather give the fishing rod than the fish that way.
>>41675824But if it's a place you call home and she is there, what dors it matter if it's scary?
>>41675877>I think it's ironic that you highlight in one breath the persona of the individual who entices his drunken "friend" and supports them with a smile, while in the next you take on the same mask, say "trust the plan, the demons will erode it but you have to stay the course". As if trading one demon for the other. You already said it yourself: we have a collective sense of apathy. The world can be better if we will it.They are not comparable. One is to avoid being played by Evil, the other is to invite evil or submit to it. These are not "trading one demon for another". It is the outright rejection of them altogether.
Curious...How do you generally perceive this ongoing... let's say... "mess"?Are you from a highly religious country/culture? What does faith even mean to you, and why should higher beings, if they exist, be so petty in their judgments?(I probably write this often, but personally, I'm from Russia and here, to put it mildly, everything is terrible with this)For me, what matters most is what people do and what guides them, depending on how severe the actual consequences of their actions are (or the potential consequences that are quite likely when choosing actions). The rituals a person follows are of the least importance.Doesn't it seem strange to you that there should be a proportionality between punishments and rewards?Of course, there's the option that "hell" is life without a god (although it doesn't specify which one), but with this assertion, reality is very similar, just "not quite."The dead-end and meaninglessness of most people's existence also casts doubt on the influence of anyone of any significant magnitude—how many lives have been improved by faith in someone, rather than vice versa? Why is this? Why, seeing all this, do people ask other questions?
>>41675050All "devotees" go to hell because you are worshipping an idol.
>>41677162>No. Instead of praying to God for things, I pray for the strength or wisdom to attain those things if it's in accordance with His will.So the issue is partly that you had a materialist mindset and then scurried away to God and became a good Christian.
>>41677253>So the issue is partly that you had a materialist mindset Oh absolutely not. I wish that were the case, would've been much easier to solve. I did not want power or money for the sake of power or money alone. I wanted those things to bend reality to my will and assert myself above the well-being of others full well-knowing about matters of the soul and yet electing not to care. This was at a time that I felt man should appoint himself as God. >Then scurried away to God and became a good ChristianMore like saved. I had no intention to run to God, it was the last thing I had wanted to do. It was not my own doing that God intervened, I did not ask for His help at the time. Someone else asked God on my behalf is what happened, and God intervened in my life.
>>41677279Ok, even worse. But the point is that typically, and not surprising, it's people with bad intent, big egos or otherwise spiritually and mentally unsound who worship and work with these dark chaotic entities and then get surprised and blame these entities when their lives turns to shit due to their own created negative karma.
>>41675050>When I pray to her, I can feel she hears. When I call upon her, I feel her presence. I love her, and she is my goddess.I think Castaneda described it well as an union with inorganic being. Exchange of energy, with you being always in the worse negotiating position.
>>41677433>it's people with bad intent, big egos or otherwise spiritually and mentally unsound who worship and work with these dark chaotic entities and then get surprised and blame these entities when their lives turns to shit due to their own created negative karma.I blame both my past self and the demonic. You can do both without shirking accountability. Demons don't care if you are self aware or not, they'll hand you the rope to hang yourself with. Yes the choice to hang yourself is your own, but lets not pretend demons don't enable it on purpose, because they do. They prey on trauma, despair, pride, envy, lust, loneliness, whatever it is if it is shaped like a spiritual wound they crawl in. And when they enter your life, they will make sure you never get better, and that you are constantly called to spiritual self harm. And they do this because they hate humans as well as God. It's not about karma, it's about spiritual warfare. And the way demons fight is they make sure man kills himself one way or the other.
