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1st law of thermodynamics- matter & energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Matter & energy did not create itself
2nd law of thermodynamics- entropy only increases. That means there was a starting point.
If you hold the position of naturalism/realism (matter and energy only) then you deny these fundamental laws of nature. There is no 3rd position on this.
The existence of Information disprove matter and energy being the only thing that exists. Information exists and its independent of those two.
This cannot be shared on /sci/ because of the upheaval it will cause so Im posting it here. Natural laws are a separate category than science. Both natural laws and science are studies of the natural world, but the difference is that science requires hypothesis and experiment (explanation), while natural laws simply only state what nature CAN DO. (Description)
Explanation means why or how
Description means what or is
Information is always traced back to an INTELLIGENT SOURCE!
Natural laws debunk atheism and prove creationism. They also prove EARTH BEING CONTAINED!
The "science" that says earth is not contained is pseudoscience. (Astronomy and astrophysics). Its pseudoscience (pretending to be science) but worst of all- VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAWS!
Violation of natural laws masked as 'science' and look how much the world eats it all up. We are lost man.
You cannot even begin to arrive to science if you violate natural laws.
Laws and science and laws of physics = DO NOT EXIST
This is how much of a trap they put us all in, let that sink in
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>>41683829
*laws of science and laws of physics DO NOT EXIST!
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>>41683829
truke
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>>41683829 Is Entropy truly Constant?
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>>41684479
Entropy is observes in this dimension. But space isn't empty. The things they're discovering in quantum physics is just bring back the aether. With that there is no winding down. The universe will just keep going.
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>>41683829
>matter & energy cannot be created
You cannot accept this AND accept CREATIONism.
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>This cannot be shared on /sci/ because of the upheaval it will cause so Im posting it here
it's 4chan, who the fuck cares about upheaval?

You're already walking into a verbal bar brawl, throwing a folding chair isn't going to suddenly make it even more of a madhouse.
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>>41684688
He meant the upheaval to his feelings.
Flerfer doesn't want to have to leave the room and pace around flexing his fists again.



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