1st law of thermodynamics- matter & energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Matter & energy did not create itself2nd law of thermodynamics- entropy only increases. That means there was a starting point.If you hold the position of naturalism/realism (matter and energy only) then you deny these fundamental laws of nature. There is no 3rd position on this.The existence of Information disprove matter and energy being the only thing that exists. Information exists and its independent of those two.This cannot be shared on /sci/ because of the upheaval it will cause so Im posting it here. Natural laws are a separate category than science. Both natural laws and science are studies of the natural world, but the difference is that science requires hypothesis and experiment (explanation), while natural laws simply only state what nature CAN DO. (Description)Explanation means why or howDescription means what or isInformation is always traced back to an INTELLIGENT SOURCE!Natural laws debunk atheism and prove creationism. They also prove EARTH BEING CONTAINED!The "science" that says earth is not contained is pseudoscience. (Astronomy and astrophysics). Its pseudoscience (pretending to be science) but worst of all- VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAWS!Violation of natural laws masked as 'science' and look how much the world eats it all up. We are lost man.You cannot even begin to arrive to science if you violate natural laws. Laws and science and laws of physics = DO NOT EXISTThis is how much of a trap they put us all in, let that sink in
>>41683829*laws of science and laws of physics DO NOT EXIST!
>>41683829truke
>>41683829 Is Entropy truly Constant?
>>41684479Entropy is observes in this dimension. But space isn't empty. The things they're discovering in quantum physics is just bring back the aether. With that there is no winding down. The universe will just keep going.
>>41683829>matter & energy cannot be createdYou cannot accept this AND accept CREATIONism.
>>41683829>This cannot be shared on /sci/ because of the upheaval it will cause so Im posting it hereit's 4chan, who the fuck cares about upheaval?You're already walking into a verbal bar brawl, throwing a folding chair isn't going to suddenly make it even more of a madhouse.
>>41684688He meant the upheaval to his feelings.Flerfer doesn't want to have to leave the room and pace around flexing his fists again.
>>41684667how do you accept it if you accept BIGBANGism?
>>41685912NTA but I do not accept it. The Electrical Universe gives a more elegant model of the universe and smoothes out all the weirdness the Newtonian/big bang model has had.
>>41686514ok, but does not that model also have a point at which you just have to say something like 'it just came into existence'?
>>41686566No. That would be weird. I could never conceive it. Why would everything just one day pop into being? There's no such thing as nothing, it's a concept. The universe is eternal and infinite. As inconceivable as that might be, it makes more sense than nothingness birthing everything
>>41686640>The universe is eternal and infinite when a Christian says that about God you're ok with it?
>>41686645They believe that god was all there was until "he" created it.Now taking in only what the sciences have revealed. We have the soul as an electrical phenomena, heaven as the æther (lately called quantum) and the "god" as just the massive electrical synapses of universes connecting. Perhaps making thoughts like that of a brain or even a webbing of mycelium underground. You present this to these findings to a Christian and they get mad. A deist would understand, most gnostics would find it enlightening. But Catholics etc. spiritualists think electrical synapses of the brain aren't the soul and God literally took a week to invent the universe starting with the Earth.There is no Christian god. There might be an afterlife where we, our electric soul, rejoins a godlike thing. Or it could just be a heaven with only the departed souls. I'm okay with that.
>>41686706but where did all the energy come from, in your model?
Of course there is a God. God is the originator of consciousness. To think any perception could exist without an observer is preposterous. The material world is actually not material, it is a feeling - God's feeling.
>>41686721The universe.
>>41686822But anon, human consciousnesses created god. >>41686721Is the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?"?
>>41686841and that came from?>>41686848>Is the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?"?of course. we all have to address that question
>>41686890>Why thing there?<Hu?>Why not no thing EVER?<Because thing always. You're wishing there was a nothing of nothingverse? The nobodies from nothingverse are NOT thinking of these stupid questions, I can assure you.
>>41686926yeah but if you want to go by this definition> matter & energy cannot be created nor destroyed. then how does your personal idea work?
>>41686640>The universe is eternal and infiniteWe know that 1: the universe is expanding, which means it must have started somewhere, 2: stars will eventually stop being born, which means the universe will eventually run out of stars, and 3: entropy always increases, which means the universe will eventually be at a completely even temperature. What happens then in your eternal universe? Things happen in it for a brief, finite amount of time and then it's just nothing for eternity?
