So, in Genesis, Yahweh tells Adam and Eve that they will be punished by having to extract food from the soil through hard physical labor, after having eaten the fruit. But since the first stage of human life wasn't agriculture but hunting-gathering, does it mean that Eden represents the pre-agricultural society?Humans lived for hundreds of thousands of years without farming: they were hunter-gatherers, not agriculturalists. Agriculture appears very late in human history.So what if the Garden of Eden is not meant as a literal place, but as a symbolic memory of a pre-agricultural mode of existence? A world in which food was available without the coercion of the soil and constant labour?>I will greatly increase your pain in childbirth.Childbirth is not a spontaneous act of love anymore, because in order to sustain a thriving civilization women need to give birth to a lot of children, future workers for the fields. The woman's womb became a site of resources' extraction.
>>41685768This theory of yours only works if the Garden of Eden story is real. It's not. It's a story.
>>41685895Allegories don’t have to be based on real stories to make sense And how do you know the story isn’t real?
>>41685895I didn't say it was real, it could be a metaphor about humans history >So what if the Garden of Eden is not meant as a literal place, but as a symbolic memory of a pre-agricultural mode of existence?
>>41685768Only the gathering part as humans were all vegan at this point.
>>41685962Yeah, they mostly eat fruits they gathererd from treesWait a second...
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>>41685768Eden is literally Edinburgh.The forbidden fruit is fungus.
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>>41686058It's very easy. What's wrong with your brain?
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>>41685895all stories are real, at least to a degree.
>>41685768Of all the things that the story of Eden is, it's not an allegory for pre-agricultural society. There was no society in Eden. In Genesis, Adam, or the generations he represented, was implicitly a hunter-gatherer because Cain was the first farmer and Abel the first shepherd. >>41685907Like many stories in the Bible, it's a mystery. It has a narrative that can and is taken literally by the unthinking and unenlightened and it has layers of deeper meaning for those capable of intellectual and spiritual growth. >>41686031In the thousands of years that people have been discussing Genesis and it's predecessors, that's probably one of the dumbest things anyone has said.
>>41686952>There was no society in EdenSince they became one body through sexual union, it is implied that there was a generation in Eden and therefore a society before the Fall.This is asserted in the traditions of Orthodox Christians and the majority of Jews.
>>41686952>Cain was the first farmer (and also the first murderer) and Abel the first shepherd (and the first murdered)What are the metaphorical and spiritual implications of this?
>>41686952>that's probably one of the dumbest things anyone has said"Garr dúnn Eydinn". Warm nearby rock (at the river) Eydinn, presently spelled Edin, home to Edinburgh and the big rock that has the castle on it.Scots Gaelic. Brythonic way back when Phoenicians would come to Britain to buy tin during the bronze age.Adam means redhead, he came down the mountains to a warm place nearby the river Eydinn where God lived among him and Eve. Ewe is still a sheep to this day. Spelling might seem odd, but the W is a relatively recent adaptation, and U (the sound in Ewe) was spelled with a V in Latin, the basis of the texts used to produce the KJV (among other texts).Check it if you want, the information isn't hard to find.
>>41686952>it can't be an allegory of that because there was no society in EdenYou are taking it literally here tho. An allegory doesn't need that to be an allegory.
>>41685768Genesis is the ancient Judean-Canaanite-Edomite retelling of Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian stories from creation to the destruction of Ur.It appears that Flavius Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews is the foundation for the Old Testament, and the books of the jewish diaspora.Genesis tells of the city of Enoch, built by Cain, to the east of Eden in the Land of Nod. This is where the ruins of Eridu - Enki's home city - can be found.The Apocryphal Book of the Cave of Treasures is also related to this, Adam and Eve's burial chamber.
>>41685768I don't know why, but my gut tells me it was either Edo or Euboea. The I could also see the Americas arguments too
>>41685768If you aren't literally believing in the story of the talking snake and the magic fruit why do you need to believe in Eden at all?
>>41685768Eden is the time before awareness. The knowledge of good and evil is the conscious mind coming to life and seeing itself in the world. There's no going back to that state. The story of cain and able fits better the tale of nomad versus pastoralist. It's even right in the names. Cain like sugar cane and able for being on the move. But this story also retells Eden in a different way. Separation and struggle and reunion. The Bible is the story of consciousness from conception to rebirth. Just so happens this pattern scales both directions infinite.
>>41686031the fungus is among ushttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibz-gPkTMDM
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>>41686952can you lay some eden story interpretations on us?
>>41687663In the story both brothers are already farmers with cain offering God some crops which God didn't appreciate and abel offering his best livestock which God was like fuck yes, either way for the story to even make sense both brothers are already farmers just pointing out the facts
>>41685768Chaim killed abel. Abel was an agricultor>>41685895He is literally saying it is an allegory
>>41685768Adam and Eve were only in Eden for a short time, the history you're given of the pre agriculture times is heavily altered and stems from the "evolution/millions of years" beliefs that scientists push on us.
>>41685768Eden is "here and now"; all of biblical lore is about the "modern era" through anology. It's "conceptually generated mythological texts". In Eden; "Adam is still asleep underneath the tree of knowledge". Also "The Floods" haven't happened yet ("Floods" in Genesis correlates with Apocalypse in Revelations and several other descriptions of "Cataclysmic events" in biblical lore)
>>41690616in biblical lore; "Qayin/Cain" is the inventor of Agriculture; Civilization (founder of the first cities); and such feats. The Qayinite lineage includes "The first Blacksmiths (workers of copper and iron)"; "the first weavers of clothing"; "the first makers of musical instruments"; etc.
>>41685768did humans eat nuts and seeds pre-fall or just vegetables and fruits. also why cant humans sustain a vegan diet now without a b12 deficiency? what about eggs and milk
>>41685768The Gardens of Eden is where the human vessel and all it's iterations were designed, grown and let loose. And it served it's purpose perfectly. Early hominids were merely test runs and proofs of concept. Have you ever wondered why the modern day human is so ill suited for life in the wilderness? It is because it was never designed with that in mind. The human vessel is an extremely modular and customizable platform to house a soul. Given a sufficiently precise and strict mutation method, it can become anything. As a combat platform it outperforms everything in terms of versatility and weapon usage. And it is also great at running in a low power eco mode for drained souls.
