Not sure where else to post this.Found a Telegram group that freaked me out.Disturbing art, symbols, diagrams, grave vandalism. Some graves looked like philosophers or writers.They talked about “tests” and plans to do more.Paintings, music, prose; very extreme stuff, borderline illegal.They were making "the art" together in real time.Used weird codes with math symbols.Kept referencing some book they follow or wrote. I couldn’t get it.Dumping what I saved (censored). More if thread survives.
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Interesting, thanks for sharing OP.
Looks very similar to some ONA nexion or 764 or whatever they are calling themselves now, "NXN" oculd stand for nexion with 41 being their number. Niners like giving their nexions numbers that they find spiritually important. Especially how the art features children in situations of sexual violence. The symbol itself could be derived from a rare white nationalist symbol which is a boxy version of the solar cross. Notice the lack of colored people and large amounts of self harm in the art as well. I'd say thats very characteristic of niner slop.The one thing that gives me pause is the codes. Typically niners are retarded and run around in open comms with no codes whatsover. Usually when they run around with dumb garbled bullshit its stuff they write during meth benders.Depending on location you can pursue obscenity charges with their stuff. There is a line between
>>41697756(cont) shocking boundary-pushing art and just straight up "lolicon", considering one of the images contains what appears to be an upside down pentacle (satanic symbol) in a nazi battle flag standard I'd say they probably are ONA and thus are also probably terrorists. If you have more of their "art" I can look for more ONA stuff in it.
>>41697772this pic had symbols but I am not sure I could post without censoring it.
>>41697756Yeah, that part confused me too. They kept using these math-like symbols in their chats. At first I thought it was just some edgy aesthetic stuff, but they kept referencing it seriously like “this one fits the structure” or “it needs to align with the principle” or some shit like that. Not sure if it’s code or just how they talk. I can dig up a few more screenshots if you want.
>>41697872Yeah I'd censor everything, I'd report the telegram to your federal cyber tip line IMO. Most ONA/ whatever groups usually fail doing crimes and are LARPers but some groups have successfully orchestrated mass shootings and engaged in child exploitation. If you saw the QRs/ stuff in real life I would tip off the local police proper.
>>41697609dude this is the grave of David Hume, grade 1 listen in Edinburhg/Scotland. if they really did something like this it'd make national news.
>>41697609Edgy faggots to edgy faggot things.Mildly interesting.
>>41697890yeah I have no idea if this is a cipher or not, my knowledge of cyrpotography is extremely limited. What I do know is that ONA and other cults often use what amounts to newspeak to disorient new members and try to mold their brains. A great ample would be scientology or the Zizian cult where there is so much bizarre jargon that it barely looks like english, so it's 50/50 with these people. Here is an example of zizian cult jargon:"Oftentimes there is a “load bearing” mental structure, which must be discarded to improve on a local optimum, and a smooth transition is practically impossible because to get the rest of what’s required to reach higher utility than the local optimum besides discarding the structure, the only practical way is to use the “optimization pressure” from the absence of the load bearing structure. Which just means information streams generated trustworthily to the right pieces of a mind about what the shape of optimization space is without the structure. A direct analogue to a selection pressure."It's not a code but more a product of several very deranged minds coming together and talking to each other online way too long.
>>41697937very ona/764/ whatever they call it to create fake images of grave desecration then post it on telegram and tell everyone how hard they are. The whole thing was probably a creation of MI6 or MI5 for GLADIO-like stuff but that was in the 80s, they seem to have lost all control of it a long time ago.
The fact that we have to censor things here on 4chan is pretty silly. Let's imagine for a minute that this bullshit is posted by legit ebil satanist terrorists - all they have to do is put their symbols on the naughty bits and you fucks wouldn't even be able to post them.
>>41697966>>41697645I put the image on chatgpt and this is what it spit out:This isn’t gibberish or a cipher. It’s a formal logic or epistemology framework, likely academic or theoretical, used to define how knowledge, truth, and validation work in a structured system — possibly for science, AI, or philosophy of science. It's written in dense, symbolic notation mixing logic, programming, and systems theory.
>>41698031Garbage in, garbage out.
>>41698016anon the degeneracy of these people is usually pretty unmatched. If OP isn't just making the worst ARG in the universe or baiting there's probably a good reason for the censorship. From my personal experience the groups love cp and gore more than anything else in the world and love to spam it, etc. Most importantly of course is the sheer questionable legality of such images. If you don't know for sure than don't risk it.
>>41698034Personally I would never listen to chat GPT about that kind of stuff its awful at interpreting fringe psychology. regular LLMs are trained on the average person, not Bradley Chance Cadenhead.
>>41698042>anon the degeneracy of these people is usually pretty unmatched. If OP isn't just making the worst ARG in the universe or baiting there's probably a good reason for the censorship. From my personal experience the groups love cp and gore more than anything else in the world and love to spam it, etc.If they want attention so bad, why post their stuff here and give them more attention?>Most importantly of course is the sheer questionable legality of such images. If you don't know for sure than don't risk it.I'm so glad I live in a country that does not send people to jail for looking at ugly paintings.
>>41698060which fucking country would allow such paintings, these are literally cp
>>41698060You don't think these ugly paintings aren't for fucked up people to goon to? That's how I see it. I feel like there is a fine line between art and porn, but when the imagery is clearly sexual its more pornographic. When children are involved, that's probably very bad news. As for why post it here that's a good question. If OP isn't terminally online he's probably not heard of ONA/764/etc and doesn't know what he just saw. Members of those groups do like to LARP as concerned citizens to grow infamy from time to time.
>>41698076japan lmao
>>41698076>which fucking country would allow such paintings, these are literally cpPaintings aren't real children, so this is not cp by my country's definition. The reason cp is illegal in my country because it hurts actual children which paintings, no matter how gross, do not.>You don't think these ugly paintings aren't for fucked up people to goon to?Fucked up people goon to the book Lolita but it's not banned anywhere.>That's how I see it. I feel like there is a fine line between art and porn, but when the imagery is clearly sexual its more pornographic. When children are involved, that's probably very bad news.Yeah, so don't let people who own these paintings babysit your children. What they goon to is not your problem so long as no one is actually harmed.>As for why post it here that's a good question. If OP isn't terminally online he's probably not heard of ONA/764/etc and doesn't know what he just saw.Unless OP is retarded we can still shit on him for being dumb enough to repost edgelord garbage.>Members of those groups do like to LARP as concerned citizens to grow infamy from time to time.That's because members of those groups are retards and ignoring them is the best way to stop them being retarded in public.
>>41698096your "great" country might be more gray than you imagine:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States>That's because members of those groups are retards and ignoring them is the best way to stop them being retarded in public.you're doing a great job of ignoring them!
>>41698134>In the Indiana case Grecco v. State (2024), the defendant was charged under state child pornography laws for possessing Japanese anime-style images depicting fictional minors in sexual situations. However, the Court of Appeals ultimately ruled the defendant not guilty, finding that the images did not involve real children and, though disturbing, were protected as fictional artistic expression under the First Amendment. Citing the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, the court affirmed that purely fictional or computer-generated child pornography does not constitute a crime. This case established a significant legal precedent in Indiana that fictional content alone does not violate child pornography laws.Also this isn't a problem for me because I don't goon to loli.>you're doing a great job of ignoring them!Do you seem me posting their crap? The people I'm not ignoring are you, badass vigilantes too squeamish to actually look at the bad guys.
>>41698149>The PROTECT Act also enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A into U.S. obscenity law:[146]Section 1466A of Title 18, United States Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene. >Thus, virtual and drawn pornographic depictions of minors may still be found illegal under U.S. federal obscenity law. The obscenity law further states in section C "It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist."I see you've conveniently left out this part :)
>>41698096>Paintings aren't real children, so this is not cp by my country's definition. The reason cp is illegal in my country because it hurts actual children which paintings, no matter how gross, do not.However anon have you considered how images like this could magnify the urges of a pedo? This has been a matter of scholarly debate for a long time now and personally I feel like for many these images in particular would increase those urges in the worst kinds of perpetrators. Experts are split on the subject but IMO the cops should always be made aware because there will often be a link even if the "artists" really are just making edgy bullshit.>Fucked up people goon to the book Lolita but it's not banned anywhere.these images do not seem like Lolita to me, like I was saying there is a fine line and there doesn't seem to be a negative message regarding the perpetrators in the images op posted. In lolita the story is very clear that the main character is the villain despite the story being a huge part of pedo culture. Look how these pictures focus not on the hypocrisy of the people committing the crimes but instead on the children being victimized, look at the cumbrain angles. The line between CP and art is not rocket science in this case IMO.>Members of those groups do like to LARP as concerned citizens to grow infamy from time to time.if you are arguing from intellectual honesty then you would stop replying but you keep replying so you probably just have your fee fees hurt because everyone else thinks the "art" is just cp. it could even be traced from real life cp for all we know, people are fucked.
>>41698174>However anon have you considered how images like this could magnify the urges of a pedo? This has been a matter of scholarly debate for a long time now and personally I feel like for many these images in particular would increase those urges in the worst kinds of perpetrators. Experts are split on the subject but IMO the cops should always be made aware because there will often be a link even if the "artists" really are just making edgy bullshit.So are we going to ban gore, too? And really any fictional depiction of violence? I don't see why psychos should be able to goon to Saving Private Ryan, either.>these images do not seem like Lolita to me, like I was saying there is a fine line and there doesn't seem to be a negative message regarding the perpetrators in the images op posted. In lolita the story is very clear that the main character is the villain despite the story being a huge part of pedo culture. Look how these pictures focus not on the hypocrisy of the people committing the crimes but instead on the children being victimized, look at the cumbrain angles. The line between CP and art is not rocket science in this case IMO.It may not be rocket science but people are fucking stupid, bro. If you goal is to stop pedos from gooning you also have to ban all ads featuring children, all cartoons featuring children, and in fact children going out in public. Seems a lit easier to me to just ban actually having sex with children.>if you are arguing from intellectual honesty then you would stop replying but you keep replying so you probably just have your fee fees hurt because everyone else thinks the "art" is just cp. it could even be traced from real life cp for all we know, people are fucked.I can't actually "see" the art so I don't know what it is or isn't. I could easily post a bunch of fucking censor bars over stills from the Simpsons and you people would buy that it's evil O9A propaganda.
>>41698201I'm gonna stop trying with you the whataboutism is too strong"thing is bad" . Yeah anon.. but what about .. "other thing"?!?!you truly are a rude dismissive guy.
>>41698231You missed this:>It may not be rocket science but people are fucking stupid, bro. If you goal is to stop pedos from gooning you also have to ban all ads featuring children, all cartoons featuring children, and in fact children going out in public. Seems a lit easier to me to just ban actually having sex with children.and this>I can't actually "see" the art so I don't know what it is or isn't. I could easily post a bunch of fucking censor bars over stills from the Simpsons and you people would buy that it's evil O9A propaganda.>you truly are a rude dismissive guy.Correct.
>>41697937Any way to verify if something happened to that grave? Local reports or cemetery records?
Absolutely nothing /x about this shit. This is the Chaoscunt fella, a failed metal musician that's a turk living in England and is all about edginess for edginess sake.Look at this guy's musical projects, artworks and lyrics, it's just provocative stuff. He even calls it "edgetivism".https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Chaoscunt/7457
>>41697634What a bunch of cunts.
>>41697937hume was too straightforward and not esoteric enough for these fags (or maybe they like him, can't really tell). i also doubt it would make national news unless they destroyed something. that looks like chalk on the grave.
>>41698431They seem to like (even worship) him. If you decode their logical notations it points to a hard empiricist stance.Which may explain why they didn't "damage" the grave.
>>41697890This reminds of those schizos that think that ChatGPT cracked the code of reality. They use very similar language when talking about it.
