>killing yourself is a sin and you go straight to hell>remember those people on 9/11 who chose to jump to their death rather than burnThis is total bullshit. There are plenty of situations where taking your life is valid.
>>41708469I'm 99% sure this "teaching" was added to Christianity's beliefs as a half-assed way to stop people from killing themselves. It has the exact opposite effect than it's suppose to though. What kind of cruel god would punish his creations for wanting to escape a hellish existence by sending him into an even worse one?
>>41708494>the richyour suffering will be rewarding in the end keep working>the poorwell lets just skip to the end>the richhey hey now
>>41708469doesn't understand biblical scripter >>41708494gives explanation>>41708497Its the rich, its the richMany such cases
>>41708502but it is, rich in whatever ways mattered at the time
Didn't they use to give cyanide pills to fighter pilots for if they ever got captured?
>>41708502>le rich people are actually on your sideFuck off you fucking fed.
>>41708469>>41708602Religious ideals rarely stand up to the brutal realities of life.There are plenty of written accounts of jews renouncing their belief in god during the holocaust before they were killed, as an example.
>>41708469>>killing yourself is a sin and you go straight to hellDoing a sin doesn't mean you go to hell if you're saved. The suicide hell thing was created by those schizoid traveling preachers. Even then, they didn't say that. They cut their heads off of suicide people to make the soul lost because ''they didn't deserve heaven." And because people for whatever reason, hated suicidal people, transitioned that into "suicide doesn't make you go to heaven" BS.If anyone goes to hell, it's the false teachers who changed God's word to match their beliefs.>Deuteronomy 18:20: "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."
>>41708469>>remember those people on 9/11 who chose to jump to their death rather than burndoes that really count as killing oneself though , do we have a legal defintion of suicide , you might be thinking in egeniring terms something that is more personal.
>>41708855Technically everything is suicide since we are all fragments of god so killing someone else is just killing a part of yourself and even god himself committed suicide when he put himself on the cross as planned according to scripture.
>>41708494Jesus doesn't address suicide. Read The New Testament before talking about Jesus again.Now, The OLD Testament, that's some Abrahamic, Hebrew Moses, Akashic bullshit, with an angry cruel god you need to be fearful of because he does kill you.Read about The Table Flipping, and a father who forgives & loves you, you might like it.
>>41708469suicide by duress isn't accounted the same as outright suicide. it's also why when the mentally ill commit suicide the church defers to call it a mortal sin
>>41708469> >killing yourself is a sin and you go straight to hellYes.> >remember those people on 9/11 who chose to jump to their death rather than burnAll in hell.The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his `Abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever.">>41708798> Doing a sin doesn't mean you go to hell if you're saved.Sure but even if they're a Believer, they'll still go to Hell (or Purgatory) temporarily before going to Heaven. point being, every dumbass that kills himself will go to Hell unless he had a Just cause.>>41709530most churches refrain from calling most abominable acts today a mortal sin, that doesn't mean anything
>>41709686>The Messenger of AllahNo one cares goat fucker.
>>41709686if someone kills themselves and they are not in their right mind in a literal sense, it probably shouldn't count as a mortal sin suicide.
>>41709717> and they are not in their right mind in a literal senseDepends what you mean, we must be specific here because in this modern age, being down for a period of time is being "mentally ill" or not right in the head, If you mean someone that's Truly mentally broken with practically no self-determination, then Sure, those real manaics aren't responsible for any of their actions actually but they make up are small margin and demons usually prefer to not kill off their hostsIt was narrated from 'Aishah that the Prophet said: "The pen has been lifted from three: From the sleeper until he wakes up (Thoughts, Unconscious Inaction & Sinful Dreams are excused) , from the minor until he grows up (Puberty), and from the insane until he comes back to his senses or recovers."
>>41709530Correct, amazing it took this long for a real answer. Killing yourself because your business failed or your gf cheated on you is a sin because A. It harms other greatly (your family will experience extreme trauma and deep depression maybe for life) and until recently could plunge your children, wife and parents into extreme poverty and homelessness even. Another element is that some groups saw it as murder, although again this kind of goes by that modern “killing is always murder” idea Protestants often hold which is greatly oversimplified
>>41709784> It harms other greatly (your family will experience extreme trauma and deep depression maybe for life) and until recently could plunge your children, wife and parents into extreme poverty and homelessness even.Not at all the reasonYou shouldn't try to explain what God (the Most Wise) meant when he prohibited things, If you aren't certain then it's neccessary to Refrain and not ignorantly mislead the MassesYou can easily refute this justificaiton given many people are not depended on at all and not loved at all, orphans in slums, wandering ghosts...Is it moral for them to waste away their life?Ofcourse not! Life is a BlessingIt is the One chance given by Allah we have at getting to HeavenWe must be gratefulImagine giving a gift and having it destroyedYou'd punish the kid
>>4170980The saturn, aka moloch is not most high nor he is wise, dumb filthy shitskin.The life is not blessing, its great curse and burden.This gift is borderline pure shitNo one should be greatful for this shitThank god that people like you will burn in hell
>>41708494it literally was, you're correct. early christian roman slaves kept killing themselves and they had to find a way to stop them. I do wonder what those slaves thought when "quantum immortality" saved their asses though
>>41709530Wrong. They chose the easy way out instead of the natural way. Religion is part of why euthanasia in humans is illegal and highly controversial. The people in the towers should've accepted their path and natural way and burned to death, it's like someone with terminal cancer with a few days left, if hes gonna kill himself he goes to hell. This is the same as the 9/11 guys. Sorry to tell you but they are in hell right now.
>>41708469Where does it say that you go to hell forkilling yourself?Saul the first chosen king of the Lord killed himself.Also hell isn't open until judgment dayThen the gate of hell is opened and Apollyon leads the insects that fly out and sting everybody such that they want to die but are unable.
