Why is Mexican catholicism so weird?
>>41724452Santa Muerte is not catholicism, it is a cartel culture cult mixed with santeria which appeals to criminals.a simple google search could have cleared this
>>41724452goes back to the aztecs. aztec religion had a lot in common with catholicism. read prescott conquest of mexico book one for details:https://www.gutenberg.org/files/59755/59755-h/59755-h.htm
>>41724452You impose an overlay of weird paganized christcuckery onto a lower substrate of weird blood sacrifice paganism and you expect... what? Normal?>inb4 christianity is also weird blood sacrifice shitLmao yeah you can add that to the pile.
>>41724452got syncretized with brujeria witchcrafti think they do trataka with those religious candles
>>41724452People are mortal, death awaits everyone. Therefore, it is logical to show respect and reverence for death, because the goddess of death, Hel, will welcome us all to the cemetery.
>>41724452Do the angry christcucks in this thread not realize the Vatican has the exact same preserved skeletons? This is a highly Christian behavior.
>>41724762The major difference is presentation. The Vatican dresses it up in gold which makes it "more presentable"
>>41724762the pic isn't a preserved skeleton, it's a statue. The idol of the SM cult is the figure of the Ripper, as a skeleton with a crown that reigns over the world
>>41724762Relic veneration stems from the fact that the Church believes in the salvation of the full person, body and soul, so a Saint's holiness is retained in their relics. This is obviously different from the literal death worship seen in the Santa Muerte phenomenon. You'd have to be extremely superficial to think otherwise.
>>41724452Because they mixed in their Aztec bloody-murder religion with it so some psycho gang member can butcher another human being to pieces with a chainsaw and still go to Mexican-catholic Heaven.
Isn't cool they keep...The skulls of their dead...Well they use to...So fucking boss...They even decorated them...Had em in a small glass box...Just so sweet...And meaningful...
I've heard from somewhere that the Catholic church in Mexico has been using San Judas Tadeo (St. Jude) to sort of try and combat drug addiction and the worship of Santa Muerte, but even that has resulted in weird syncretic stuff, like people praying to St. Jude so they can get away with crimes.
>>41724986St. Jude is one of the big folk saints (although legit, obviously) venerated by both regular people and criminals.His biggest memorial in the world is precisely located on a town in Sinaloa related to many cartels
>>41724452To absorb the Aztecs. Same way the Roman chuch absorbed a lot of the "pagan" rituals. mary worship, saints. They kept Saturnalia for a long time because it was so extremely popular.Yes, no flavor of Christianity is like the original greco-anatolian "gnostic". They all look weird.
>>41724452The influence of the same demons responsible for the sacrifice cult of the Aztecs. Modern secularism has allowed them to rise again and regain control of the subcontinent. It's why the cartels are so brutal; their snuff films are a form human sacrifice.
>>41724829Salvation of the flesh sounds like high level death worship to me Doesn’t that sound like a death metal album?
Iberian sorcery mostly from the cyprian tradition mixed with native and African ooga booga shit
>>41725288>African ooga booga shitVoodoo is in the Caribbean and parts of Brazil not so much Mexico>Iberian sorceryFranco killed them all
>>41725286orthodox/catholic christianity believes in the Resurrection of everyone at the end of times. thus the importance of a dignified burial and veneration in the case of dead saints, as everyone will come back where they were left
>>41725321In Brazil it's not called voodoo, it's vulgarly known as "Macumba".
>>41725519Also, it's not "in some parts of Brazil", it's all over the place, every city has a macumba place somewhere.
>>41725321>Franco killed them allCenturies after their ideas spread to the new world. Franco didn't invade Mexico.
>>41724452Because they are heretical subhumans.
Christianity is weird. What's with YHWH Elohim casting down flaming swords guarded by cherubim to keep us out
>>41724452It’s what happens when you breed with Indians instead of extermantus.
>>41725588Eden is off-limits since in our current state post knowledge it is incompatible with us.
>>41725631with Eden*
>>41725631Yea or something like this
>>41725588I mean...the religon it comes from is weird..judiasm. Elohim literally means "divine light beings" and it's pretty obvouis judiasm was a polytheistic religon prior to 200 BC.If you read the old testament through this lens, it's pretty much a ripoff or rewording of ancient Sumerian religon
>>41725667"YHWH" usurped El. This much is clear in exodus when God had to "reintroduce" himself to moses under a new name.Monotheistic judiasm is a new concept. The old religon wasnt much different than other regional religonsLook up the Urim and Thummim..this is how God used to talk to Jewish priestsThe idea is absurd
>>41725667>>41725676Sounds like a similar progression to what happened in ancient hinduismThe rishis worshipped Indra and Agni before they realized Brahman, same probably happened with rabbis.They didn't have the luxury of getting spiritual philosophy handed to them, had to invent it or experience the reality themselves.
>>41724452>Roman Catholics destroyed local culture
>>41725684Except now that I say this I also have to admit that they did eventually basically get a lot of spiritual philosophy handed to them by eyptians, then greeks (who traded with india) etc..
>>41725286Salvation of the flesh and soul together is the complete negation of death, i.e. eternal life. There are ways to make a plausible argument that Christians practice a form of death-worship, but this isn't one of them, you just seem to be very unfamiliar which what the Church actually thinks about salvation and eternal life.
>>41724452Que chingue a su madre la santa muerte
>>41725519>>41725528And candomblè and umbanda and kimbandaBut the point stands: idolatry, blood offerings and worship of spirits for material gain
>>41725791You can split hairs all day long but if you shit on the Mexicans for having embalmed skeletons on display you better shit on the Vatican for doing the same it doesn’t matter if one seems cooler to you
>>41725346So when the saint comes back instead of getting a nice new skeleton made by god like everyone else, he gets his same moldy old embalmed skeleton that’s been sitting around for hundreds of years?If you think being reincarnated around a moldy old holy skelly is a good thing, you might be a death worshiper
>>41725964all bodies will regenerate as fresh and come back to life where they were left
>>41725519It would.>>41725528Up the Amazon? >>41725687Why greentext this? It's a fact.
>>41726139>All up in the AmazonYes, i'm from there. I've met some macumbeiros.
>>41725948I don't shit on the Mexicans for having skeletons on display (they're not embalmed, in either case). I shit on them for worshipping death personified. This isn't splitting hairs, those are two completely different things.
>>41724452Because Catholicism stole a lot of features of traditional religion (relics, feast days, ritual/magic, etc) to make itself actually survive after having denounced literally all of that. Mexican Catholicism goes further, and is effectively a paganized Catholicism. This has created a highly agitated relationship with folk-catha in Mexico to the vatican, as the folk Catholics worship many unofficial saints (both good and bad), as well as a few Afro-carribean gods, and some mazatec ones. Mestizo paganism however is slowly on the rise in Mexico. Along with dharmic religions.>>41725588Christianity is weird because it's trying to remain elements of traditional religions. In particular, the visionary aspect. The oldest strata of Christianity isn't even Christian. It's levantine, apocalyptic Judaism. Shared in common with the qumran Jews. They practiced a form of meditation that lead them to seeing strange visions. This was the crucial centre piece of their religion. This got abandoned after Paul infiltrated and Rome turned Christianity into a political theatre more than it already was. Christianity has since been a religion where you don't have to DO anything to be Christian. Belief over practice.Which makes it highly atonal and causes these visionary accounts described to be extremely weird and unsettling, because they don't fit into the rest of its atheistic model. >>41725667More or less. Judaism was a henotheist paganism. This isn't too surprising, ancient religions were generally connected around with what clan you went to. The Jewish tribe liked the one dude alot. But they became increasingly politicized and linked to their tribe due to being surrounded by big military powers. How do they retain their identity when they keep being invaded? Stick with their religious customs and blend it with national identity. Problem is, that makes things kind of weird. Returning to the earlier point, monotheism in Judaism is a huge joke. (Cont)
it's aztec religion with a christian skin.
>>41727501Judaism has never been actually monotheist. There has never really been an actual monotheist religion in history. Judaism in its own books has a multitude of lesser gods, and especially animist spirits. Sheydim aren't all evil either. They can be good or bad. Christianity was the only religion in known history to officially declare itself monotheist. Political Jews started declaring the same thing as a reaction to the christians. >>41725676I wouldn't say it's absurd. It's just another form of divination. A lost one, at that. Nobody can remember how the fuck these were used so everyone is guessing at this point. More likely than the typical answers, the breastplate was probably worn in conjunction with a similar visionary practice to the qumran community. The words on the breastplate are meant to "empower" the individual to receive visions, even if they are not an official "prophet." This is the most likely scenario, given the names reference to lights and the lack of any divinatory tools (stones, etc) linked historically to the breastplate. What's absurd was it's removal and the subsequent banning of all divination practices. In order for Christianity to survive, it had to eradicate all traces of magic and understanding of how to do it from not only their religion, but the religion they separated from. Christianity is a consistent problem.
>>41724452people are corrupt, God is not.
>>41724593Basically this and it sucks so badly.
>>41724452And people act shocked when I call Catholicism Christianity for pagans. Treating saints like idols lol. Totally not paganism
