I'm fully sold on reincarnation, with all the thousands of studied cases (example: https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/EB/S/Stevenson%20-%2020%20Cases%20Suggestive%20of%20Reincarnation.pdfhttps://www.dirzon.com/Doc/ReaderAsync?target=telegram%3AIan%20Stevenson-%20Where%20Reincarnation%20and%20Biology%20Intersect.pdf)And it more or less makes since looking at the world, you see everything in cycles, so why would life be excluded.But with Karma I'm not sure, it make sense to me (i.e. what comes around goes around), but is there any proof or evidence for it
I'm someone that got fucked by karma. They really hate it when you're based beyond belief and they will give you ironic punishments for what you did because they think it's clever. I knew from the moment that I was conscious that they fucked me.
>>41740881Reincarnation and afterlives are not real. The body is a vessel for consciousness and once the body is gone so is the consciousness associated with it, FOREVER. Nobody will judge you and you aren't going anywhere after, you simply cease to exist. They can create unlimited humans on the other hand so life will never stop existing here on earth. The creation is eternal and the creator can experience himself eternally, you are not on the other hand.
It's something people believe in because they want it to be true. There's obviously no justice in this life so people cope by deciding there has to be in the next one.
>>41740935and Your retarded, op lit sent evidence for the fact, you retared cattle
>>41740935why can consciousness not appear again. Also explain every haunting in human history
>>41740982Cant lmao, he just spams this without justification, whenever somebody asks him to explain why, its just crickets.
>>41740881Isn't karma why reincarnation happens in the first place? Every action and thought has a an inevitable consequence, karma, and since life isn't long enough to experience all of those consequences we return to embodied existence to experience what remains of our karma. Then in that next life we accrue even more karma that will have to fructify in yet another life, perpetuating the cycle of samsara?
>>41741010That's gay and karma autism. Imagine living life and all you're doing is thinking about the karma of what you're doing. You have the ability to deny karma to a certain extent.
>>41740881idk probably
>>41740881>https://www.dirzon.com/Doc/ReaderAsync?target=telegram%3AIan%20Stevenson-%20Where%20Reincarnation%20and%20Biology%20Intersect.pdf)This link doesn't work
>>41740881Reincarnation is probably true, but Karma is impossible bullshit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCd_S2aOkd4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o90u_Fx4KQE
>>41740881Karma is the quality of your actionsKriya is the action itself.
>>41741564Figuratively speaking, if you throw a rake across the lawn and step on it yourself, the rake will hit your head, and there will be a bump.
>>41740881You should be aware that the original idea behind Karma was that it's a trap.The further back you go to the original form of most religions they are all telling the same story. Even Christianity had this idea of reincarnation, that Archons were recycling your soul into this world until you learn to bypass them.The original form of Karma was the same thing. It was literally called the "karmic trap" and is enforced by a certain being (like the archons). And you weren't meant to play the karmic game. You're meant to break free from it.That was the real teaching of karma.Of course the more you accept a cage (i.e. you do what the world wants you to do; good karma) the less "correction" you need (i.e. having a better life, being rewarded).The more you struggle against the cage (i.e. you resist the ways of the world; bad karma) the more "correction" you need (i.e. having a horrible life to break you and make you want to be more like the ones who accept the cage).It's all set up like a machine designed to break your soul into submission, so that you never leave.
>>41740935>there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream--a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought--a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!
>>41741623>bad karma leads to freeing yourself from karmadamn i didn't know all them serial killers and horrible people had the solution to escaping reincarnation after all
>>41741598sure, if you kill someone, chances are you're going to jail and will either spend the rest of your days in a very shitty life or you'll just straight up get euthanized. but there's literally nothing to show that killing someone in this life will mean you'll also have a very shitty life in the next one. you're just assuming that it will, probably out of cope because the universe is devoid of justice. we, human beings, are the ones that bring justice into an otherwise justiceless world. bring it yourself, that you and your future lives may live in a more just world.
>there's no self>also, you reincarnateOk
>>41741750Never mentioned anything about Buddhism
>>41741623stupid baby
>>41740881everyone on this board misunderstands karmaits not a cosmic consequences or judge or some sort of punitive retaliatory force>plant apple seed>get apple treethat's karma
>>41741780>plant apple seed>apple seed dies before germinating>???>get apple treethat's retarded
>>41740881"Karma" is just the word that God uses to describe the excuses that he manufactures to abuse me but he will abuse me no matter I do and his excuses almost always make him more evil because they're based on lies or general unjustifiable behavior from him, like believing he should be allowed to abuse me because "he's better than me" then "karma" is him abusing me more when I fight back against the initial abuse. God is a retarded disgusting sadistic faggot who forces me to exist as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world so that he can abuse and dominate me through everyone else in the world who he controls as a retarded tranny hivemind and he rapes my mind and gangstalks me every second of every day and terrorizes, abuses, harasses, threatens etc me for literally anything I think or do. God is a literal retard for thinking there's anything he can say or do that would justify his disgusting evil behavior especially something as retarded as inventing a word "karma", no it's not "karma" retard, karma would be you getting abused for eternity by a retarded tranny hivemind while you are weak and powerless while I become the most powerful thing in the universe
>>41741832you are supplying the retardation friendoits a two step process
>>41742027there's nothing to prove that what you do in this life directly affects what happens in the next life, even conceptually. at least reincarnation can say "if consciousness emerged once, it will emerge again". karmafags make everything sound so retarded
>>41742040you dont need to assume reincarnation to understand karmayou can experience karma within one lifetime
>>41740881 Karma exists at the level of relative truth as a law of cause and effect. As long as a being’s true nature remains unrealized, it wanders in samsara, subject to this law. Once a being genuinely realizes its nature, the hold of karma weakens and ultimately dissolves like a mirage at the end of the path. For ordinary beings, karma determines the circumstances of their rebirth. More advanced beings can influence or choose these conditions, including the realm and situation of their next life. Those who fully realize their nature sever karma and live out their final birth. However, an enlightened being may consciously choose rebirth in order to aid others.
>>41740881People like to think of Karma as some intelligent thing that watches you and doles out punishment like an angry deity. While it is really just simple cause/effect. your actions create an equal opposite reaction, this is also in all things. A simple fact of how physics works. There is no god or spirit behind it, it's just how the universe reacts to something you have done. Way too many people simply not understanding this fact at all just begin assuming it's just god punishing bad people again since that's easy to understand.
>>41741010More like what Buddha actually said, desire is the main driving force. Desire to be alive again. Most of the dead want to be alive, reincarnation is the vehicle.It is also the vehicle to keep the world from becoming stagnant, it needs constant renewal endlessly. Every year has to end and every winter leads to another spring. Reincarnation keeps the world young
>>41740881>what comes around goes aroundyou're assuming good and bad exist as objective truths. If you believe in reincarnation then you mustn't believe in death, that you believe, instead, it's just a changing of appearances, like how a tree loses its leaves in autumn and renews itself in spring. Then you must see that the body has no actual consequence. As such, good and bad don't exist, physical existence is, then, like a game or a simulation. However, like many choice-based games, choose the "evil" path and the game gets darker, the body illusion thickens and becomes harder to see through. The point of doing "good" works or performing "good" karma is to thin the veil: the belief that you and I are different, separate even. This ends suffering.In other words: "bad" karma affirms the belief in separate, bodily existence. Theft, murder, rape, jealousy, anger, so on. Indulging in it increases suffering. "Good" karma affirms the belief we are as one. Love, generosity, appreciation, gentleness, humour, etc. This diminishes suffering and eventually abolishes it entirely. Suffering is the belief is we are bodies - individual, separate, alone in a cold, dark universe, with external forces constantly threatening our existence. Peace is the remembrance that we aren't bodies and we are eternally safe.Sorry if that's confusing, I'm speaking on two different, though non-contradictory, levels
>>41740881Here's how death might work from a quantum immortality perspective:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI
>>41741780Wrong, it's another layer of punishment.>someone does something wrong>low minded karma is shooting them in the head for it for personal justice>mid minded karma is sending them to jail to serve time to society for social justice>high minded karma is the universe conspiring to ruin you across lives but you're never quite sure if it was a coincidence or on purpose
>>41744019this is the result of a bunch of people who dont know what they're talking about playing the telephone game for decades filtered through western religions and new age bullshitbe free
>>41740881stupid fucking dumb monkey ape retarded mongoloid zoomer jackass. karma is what fuels the reincarnation engine. you stupid dickhead. no karma = no reincarnation and cessation of suffering
