What is the cure to alcoholism? I tried a bunch of conventional normie things but the addiction seems to be too powerful for me. You can almost say I'm possessed by "spirits" although I don't believe in that. But I feel powerless because I keep relapsing.
>>41742274None. Welcome to the 63% of the human population who drink. Get use to it.
>>41742274Better smoke some DMTThat’s what helped me quit Also staying away from bad influences or friends is helpful
>>41742274throw away everything you havecold turkey detox however long that takes for youthen when you think you're clear the devil is smilingbuy a bottle of whatever alcoholthe devil is now getting a hard-onthe trick isnot to touch that bottlefor a yearnot any bottle, anywhereif you can have it and not use it, you win
>>41742318What did the DMT tell you to help you quit drinking? I thought it was too other-worldly for things like this
>>41742330Yeah I've done precisely that several times. I know the logic of it, I quit and avoid the bottle then something takes a hold of me and I start drinking again as if nothing happened.
>>41742274Alcohol is a great tool for separation. It removes you from contact with certain oppressive spirits, and your problems. It can become the only cure if you don’t address these problems. Nobody these days is living a fulfilling life, you must address this, address old problems and things that bother you, if someone treats you wrong, address it. Do this, and use drinks to soften the blow, after talking to my mom or dad deeply, it’s nice to have a drink, then when they improve, you won’t need a drink to talk to them. After the new years, go sober for a while, I treat it like landing the lunar lander in that old internet game, you had to burn a little fuel to prevent from crashing into the ground too hard. >reduce to only weekends, especially if you work, the weekend burn off is okay>doing this usually Monday I’m hungover and might have 1 beer at night>now eliminate Sunday, let that be your hangover day, try and do something else>eliminate Friday, or start skipping weekends, start only buying the exact amount, and measuring what you drink>limit what you drink, but be aware, if I have a tallbboy at 9pm and and up at 11, I won’t sleep if it wears off, I get antsy, so I always have weak beer to hold me over or for a next day salve.>after a time of going hard, namely new years and this weekend, go a little overboard during it, but then really stop after, if you get sick or feel like shit, that can help, plan to let yourself drink on 4th of July, next, but be sober for the rest of Jan-July 3rd.>Jan- recovery and cleanup, get your shit together>Feb- Setup your life for the year>March- Do the initial work to set up what you’re going for>April- Work towards the extra stuff or fun stuff you want, gf, friends>May- Work on spiritual stuff, life habits, discipline>June- Work on increasing yourself, your status, etc>July- Think if you really want to drink for 1 night and pause all your working for, maybe do, maybe don’t.
>>41742364then find other less demanding avenues of practicing self control and keep doing that until the alcohol no longer has a hold
>>41742274Alcoholics AnonymousNot my thing bc I'm not trying to quit drinking, but I was forced to go but it seemed to help the people there a lot. The logic of it makes sense. You can find their book for free online, the book is central to it, the social pressure is important too.
>>41742274Alcohol really does taste like shit. Find something that tastes better to spoil your taste for alcohol, and double down on that.
>>41742377Unfortunately moderation is not possible in alcoholism, if I have just one beer once a year I know for a fact I will relapse start drinking daily after that. It's interesting to setup your life month by month by the different aspects. Never thought of that.
>>41742450I know this is true, but as a mindset to quit, it is better to have the comfort blanket of the promise to drink in the future. Also, the system loves to diagnose-curse people with debilitating disorders, it is better if one can limit their drinking to only special occasions, but they must be honest with themselves and maybe have a partner that can manage them, if you’re drinking on days you shouldn’t, you need to fess up and not be insane.
>>41742274Nigga just stop drinking, stop making excuses about how you have a disease or some shit and just stop doing it.
>>41742486For addiction replacement works, only buy shitty cigarettes, only buy shitty alcohol. Even switching to phenibut might help, snus, nicorette gum, delta 8 weed. Going sober cold turkey is what cracks peoples minds desu, every angry boomer or insane religious fucker “went cold turkey” and “talked to god” before becoming weird and insane.
>>41742274The thing that put me off alcohol is the nausea, dehydration, headaches, tiredness, embarrassing behaviour and chubby dried out face that comes with it. Also replacing it with natural drugs/medicine like THC oil, kratom and microdosed shrooms. Don't be afraid to ask God for help instead of mortal anons like myself
>>41742274Mind over matter. The chemical has rewired your brain and it will be with your forever. You just have to stay stronger than your urge.
>>41742505I think you are right about not doing it cold turkey but replacing it with some other substance. I just haven't found something that gives that steady stimulation that alcohol gives (as long as you're not drinking to pass out)>>41742520Interesting suggestions. Weren't the replacements addictive though?
I had a really bad drinking problem, ended with me shitting blood in the hospital for a week. They said quit drinking or ill die in like 3 months. 2 years sober end of january
>>41742855Damn. What made you go to the hospital, just the shitting blood part? Are you totally healed now or haven't done any checkups since?
>>41742916I was constantly drinking liquor and not eating food, fucked my stomach lining and liver. My drinking was really bad. They had to do whatever gastro intestinal bleeding repair and it took like 2 or 3 months for my blood count to get back to normal
>>41742837Kratom, but it is also addictive. Especially good for muscle ache. Lowkey I am deep in the longevity and health world, and exercise is the number one thing by a mile for mental and physical and overall health. Best thing to do even if you’re fat or injured, is just take long walks, find a woods path, or a path from your house, and just walk a few miles a day. If you do weights before or after you walk, or both before and after, you’ll skyrocket yourself to the top of health in a few months. The big problem for me is always scheduling, if you work, try and wake up early to do this, if you don’t work, pick a time in the afternoon. Minimal effort daily will fix most people, it’s not about gains or running fast either, it’s just moving about that helps you. Most people sit around all day. Plus if you can be tired enough to go to bed before 10pm you won’t feel like drinking. Being up at night is a huge trigger for boredom and drug use. Night owls saved our species and now are treated like villains.
>>41742982I know people like you who got into the hospital because of alcohol and still didn't gave it up. Even had cirrhosis, the whole nine yards. There was a guy that finally gave up after his 4th hospital visit in a coma. I am honestly afraid that I'm gonna be like that guy since my addiction is so resilient
>>41742331it will tell you that you are not godhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R3pfsUgtL9A
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>>41742274How much of an alcoholic are you?
>>41743009>Lowkey I am deep in the longevity and health world>lowkey >deeplol nice. What do you think about weight loss, high blood pressure, and diabetes? Anyways you're right about exercise, I always feel much better after doing it. But I always have to force myself to do it, otherwise I procrastinate and never do it. It's strange.
>>41742274I'm currently working through this now.(I have a very addictive personality, smoked weed every day for 15 years, spent another 15 years doing nothing but playing vidya and then turned to drinking.)imo the best way to kick it is replace it with a positive addiction.so in my case, i already gym'd but never did cardio. So i started doing cardio everyday (only walking incline treadmill at 3.5/4mph for 60mins) and once i got home and showered, i felt amazing, the kind of dopamine release i used to get from smoking a fat joint or beating a superboss on a vidya.I also think meditation helps as well, because all addictions start first in the mind. so if you can train yourself (via meditation) to recognise when you have a thought of temptation to drink, and to not act on the impulse, and why you want to stop it will help.I find myself chanting an mantra internally when these thoughts occur like "I don't poison myself anymore" or "no good comes from it".Good luck OP, in regards to spirituality, i honestly believe that alcohol does invite evil spirits into peoples life's.just think about how many millions of people around the world who have crashed a car, got into a fight, killed someone, lost their job, destroyed their life's etc due to drinking excessively.
>>41742274Get nutrition in your body is number 1 and that will take a while as your habit has depleted your body and continues continues.Get some animal fat, your liver is damaged and cholesterol is produced there, you will need animal sources. More protein, high quality protein with every meal, that's super important. Cut the hard stuff immediately. If you can't then cut sugar as both of these use the same metabolic pathways in your damaged liver.As you cut sugar and drinking take in salt. Clean/clear water only, no sodas.Go cold turkey or reduce while focusing on nutrients.Good luck/God bless
>>41743076Massive. Not a small one.
I didn’t see this but I know someone close to me that did hypnosis and it go them to stop smoking. Haven’t touched a cigarette since.
>>41743131Thinking about getting a treadmill now. Glad meditation works for you it's very difficult for me but I guess that's how it's supposed to be. >evil spiritsI don't see them as actual spirits, but the impulse to keep doing it despite being aware it's harmful to you and others at the same time. That's the crazy unexplained part
>>41742308This. >>41742274One day I literally just shifted and didn't crave getting buzzed. I noticed it was after a 3 wise men ritual I did in my voodoo temple I was a part of. I just sincerely prayed and didnt even pray for that. It was like I was delivered in a way. Idk if the same thing would work for anyone else since that wasnt my intention at all.Before that, I weened myself off of it by drinking sake wine, and the dollar store used to sell these great wines made from oranges that tasted like either whiskey, vodka, or tequila, with only 20% alcohol content, but sadly those stores closed and the brand died too.
>>41742274i got into a huge argument with one of my sisters while i was drunk and started tearing shit up. when i woke up the next morning i slowly recalled what i said and had done. it hit me really hard that i was my dad that night. i stopped that day, poured the rest of my handle out and that was it. three weeks into it i noticed my cig intake had sky rocketed. had to quit that too. best decision of my life
>>41743021The whole hospital situation was insane, I was given blood bags like candy for the first 48 hrs. My hospital bracelet had a thing they'd peel off for every bag I got and they stopped it and scanned it(I dunno how that works, I don't know hospital stuff). But they gave me some medicine to help with my withdrawals, I was drinking a full bottle of wine or equivalent before I'd go to work to stop the shaking. They offered info for AA, I just quit cold turkey. The whole situation was almost unreal, thankfully my friends came in literally every day to visit. That helped a lot having support from others.
>>41742274dry fasting
>>41742274psychedelics
>>41743348What was that ritual or prayer?>>41743368Great story. I wish I had your decisiveness
>>41743376Did you have any spiritual realizations or thoughts in regards to the hospital situation?
>>41743390have you tried dry fasting for your addiction?
>>41742274Islam.
>>41742274Relapse is the one thing you can count on if you continue down this line.That being if you're too much of a slave to booze, just forbid it and move on. Set new boundaries like no booze in muh house, etc.If you don't get that vice locked down, it will reverse your positions and hold you down, hollow you out until you're an empty husk staring at a wall. Avoid that anon. Reverse the dynamic and care for your brain, ya only get one.
>>41743538Not anything spiritual. I just realized I didn't want to kill myself, which was my conclusion of what I was doing with my drinking.
Don’t quit keep drinking whatever people say it is very impressive to drink every day and have a crazy tolerance I drink about 1/3 of a handle a day im hoping to speed run the whole organ failure thing
Like the other anons said if you rail yourself with psychedelics enough you aren't going to be addicted to shit. No psychedelics means you didn't try. It disrupts the flow of your reality enough to the point where it would become difficult to maintain an addiction.
>>41742274Alcoholism is a harmful form of self medication. Usually there is something bothering you in your life or that is depressing you or makes you feel bad or ashamed and alcohol is one way to get a temporary release that harms your body.
>>41745262Yeah, in my case, I just drown my sorrow
>>41742274i read alan carr easy way to quit smoking, and quit smoking effortlessly, before that it was literally impossible. i quit drinking shortly after. carr hits on a legit insight about the nature of addiction in his book, that are not that dissimilar to the buddhas insight and methods involving desire. some people get it, some people dont. also you have to want to quit. for me i was fully tired of the poor health and depression that accompanied it.
you're addicted to getting happy. find other things that bring you joy
>>41745377You got tired of being a class act and you want to be yourself. Maybe turning away from society or some responsibilities you had before.
https://youtu.be/tBz2TTEdFSs
>>41742274>What is the cure to alcoholism?Alcoholism can be made moderate and even useful if you pray to Dionysus (Buchus, Bacchus) and the goddess of beer Ninkasi over a drink.you can try a vow, for example, a vow to one of the gods and goddesses or to one of mighty spirits not to drink alcohol for 3 months in a row. If you can stand it, your desire and craving for alcohol will decrease. If you can't stand it, break your vow, then your craving and desire to drink alcohol will increase. This is a proven Russian practice over the several centuries.
>>41745495True, Im just looking for an escape from anxiety and loneliness.
>>41745682I know I felt it I was inside your head. Pretty cozy in there.
>>41743211How much and often do you drink?
>>41742274happiness
I wish you the best anon, thank you for trying to quit
>>41745733Why the alcohol then?
Honestly, kratom will stop you almost instantly. If you get gabapentin, just order from the all day chemist place and you'll have it in about 2 weeks for way cheaper, and kratom to take about the 3rd day, you'll make it through. Gabapentin is a god send for withdrawals, do not do it without it. Kratom will destroy the feelings of feeling like there is nothing without alcohol. It will provide motivation to get up and do stuff. A combo of those two is basically a cheat code.Ok, and here is the deal. You will get addicted to both if you do it long term (many do). Kratom hits everyone different. Some peolle do it for 40 years and love it. Others say after a year it destroys them. But....but addiction to Kratom is 10000X better than alcohol. Alcohol is a beast and WILL destroy your life. I dont know your financial status, but to most powder kratom is cheap. Also gabapentin is cheap if you order it (prescription can get expensive because of doctor visits.) Big pharma hates both because they are cheap and work better than anything they have. Extract kratom works better but will hit WAY harder. I actually found extract (opms gold) is the way to go. Its super expensive (right now a box of 50 is about $430 on buyopms) but the key is to take a small amount, maybe 20% of the bottle, and WAIT. It can take an hour or 2 to kick in. Its way easier to take, just drop it on your tongue. You can carry in your pocket and take anytime you need. It can get super addicting if you take too much, and then expensive. Powder kratom is way cheaper and can work just as good. It taste like absolute shit and a pain in the ass to take. I had to mix it in like a juice, orange juice, tp choke it down. I could never just take a spoon full and swallow. I would throw up. So its always a pain to take when you're away from home. So I took the extract.Im just giving you my honest truth. Its different for everyone, but it changed my life. I went for about 15 years and raised kids, had engineering job..
>>41742274I switched from drinking alcohol to drinking non-alcoholic beer with rye crackers, and I feel great. Thank you, goddess Ninkasi!
>>41742274Go to alcoholics anonymous.
>>41742377Alcohol causes soul fragments to break off, specifically deep down into the Earth. In simple terms, the part of you that enjoys alcohol is separated from the part of you that feels shame and guilt when you are sober. This kind of thing usually happens because trauma, which alcohol mimics spiritually. This is a big problem after death because you're not going to move on properly until you've fixed it, and fixing it for a dead person is 10000% harder than for a living person.
>>41745826Isn't that just autism? You're getting over stimulated and alcohol probably helps to drown that out.
>>41745923But I overstimulate myself. Is it really autisn?
>>41742331>psychedelics too otherworldly to fix addiction Not at all. Many people have used them to beat addiction >what did dmt tell me to helpIt helps by destroying the feelings that make us want to drink. After doing DMT I experience what is called an afterglow. In those moments where I would normally be stressed, I would get a feeling that everything will be alright
I quit, there is no magic bullet to it. There is no tip someone can give you. There is no hidden secret to be discovered. You just have to do it, thats it. Everything you need to get over it is already inside you, you just have to apply it. Its one of those things that drags on day by day, slowly you get through to the other side. Something that helped me was learning to mod skyrim, it turns out its a really in depth process and very easy to see a return on your investment. Unlike quiting drinking, which is a very slow process and day to day, you dont really see the results.
>>41745867Fuck no dont use kratom. I used it because I read almost exactly what youve stated. In the end, quiting this shit is a multitude worse than alcohol. The only way to quit alcohol is by getting through it, kratom is just another pitfall you end up having to get through as well
>>41745937I don't know but I went a little deeper to see what was going on. You were making the most kerfuffle around your image and it seemed linked to wanting a relationship. So you might be over sensitive in that area, could be an image disorder like narcissism where you feel slighted or something don't know.On a body level there were a lot of problems with not being good with responsibility.
>>41746235Is there a way to fix it? Seems like alcoholism is just a side effect
>>41742274What annoys me is that I keep coming back to alcohol. I can go ages without it, a month usually but my most is three months. I think I just like the feeling too much combined with coping with how shit the world is. It's like I'm fighting my stress and anxieties for months on end but then I'll binge on spirits and beer. And I'll enjoy every single second of it because it numbs how shit life is.On paper I should be able to quit, I've got a okay job, video games and books. I fucking despise my family so see them as little as possible. Maybe it's the loneliness that brings me back to it every time. This year I want to figure out how to actually stop.
>>41746353I could fix it but not on 4chan. The next best thing is to find something to pump up your ego with like having some kind of pet project. Narcissists need to find supply (validation) from somewhere or they implode.
>>41742274You need hope my friend but not false hope a hope that captures the logos NOT the pathos use your mind billions of neuros can figure it out
>>41742274ignore all fucktards here that say otherwise: join an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. AA pulls directly from the Bible; specifically from James Chapter 5. God is aware of addictions and allows you to be cured from attending these meetings. As we are saved as a people from Christ dying on the cross on us, so too are we saved in a group setting of fellow alcoholics sharing their trials and tribulations.
>>41742274Although you can recover from it but you will mostly become trash to the other. So unironically do the favor and kys.
>>41748923faggot retard bot
>>41742274I drank pretty heavily during covid and fell into substance abuse pretty bad after that. What made me quit was realizing that I was actively making my life worse and it would continue to get worse until I was dead or homeless. Also that I wouldn't get a pretty wife if I looked like a fat alcoholic or dried out crackhead. Narcotics Anonymous helped me significantly though I'm no longer part of that and am still sober. Oh yea, also Cardio like sprinting 30 seconds on 30 seconds off for 15 to 20 minutes helps a ton for dopamine and depression. Picked up reading classic literature and praying to God recently too.
This is a good video (by "Alan Watts") on the spiritual component of addiction.https://youtu.be/SMdX8hpPjzo?si=X_Cim-LEuqsQIPIOI did not plan to post but I realize I once had an addiction. I used to have rituals to my day: I would drink a pot of coffee; puff cigarettes; and share cocktails. All that changed in overnight.About ten years ago, I began a spiritual awakening. This resulted in a changed belief system and way of navigating reality. The changes were profound. An unexpected consequence is that I could not engage my rituals. It seems to have resulted from a state of clarity where I was truly aware of the taste & effect of what I was ingesting and the behavior. That was enough to end it. My changed beliefs also rewired how my body reacts to stimuli.The point, one's perception and beliefs--are everything.Humans react to stimuli in programmed ways. The programming is insidious and pervasive and constraining. Most do not realize it because the reality presented is acceptable and they look no further.I agree with the Watts video, if I remember it correctly, that addiction is a misdirected response to unconsciously breaking through the programming. It is positive in that it rebels against the programming. But it is misdirected.My suggestion is to focus on spiritual growth, not the addiction. The physical world is lacking and the addiction is misdirected energy. Redirect the energy to balance. Spiritual growth expands awareness. Expanded awareness allows movement forward.Spiritual growth can occur from simply watching videos of a positive, spiritual nature. It is not important what one watches, what matters is expanding one's awareness. This will form new beliefs that will have physical effect.Most humans are asleep. Those with addictions are rejecting the mass programming and realize something is missing, but they are misdirecting their energy, unable to break free. Expand awareness to open the box.
>>41742274boredomyou hunt for the social accurate stereotype and meanwhile your real-you keeps breaking out of the artificital system bubbleare you really an alcoholic or is there something else>having funwhy no embrase it, do not feel sorry, do not be shamed into a role you do not want to play.Maybe built your own rules, drink only once a week, enjoy it fully, once a week. Stay true to your own rules, respect yourself, no need to hunt for someone else made up laws who might not fit your living style.... yadah yadah yadah....
>>41742274It's not like there's anything interesting about this world. So I will drink. It's not a sin.
>>41742274I don't get alcoholism.It taste like shit, the effects are unpleasant, feels like trash the next day and ruins your health.
>>41742274Jung thought alcoholism was due to a spiritual crisis, that's how they got the idea for AA.
>>41742274You just stop, unless you are physically addicted, in which case, you just stop, but slower.
Might have a few whiskeys tonight. Been drinking the last two weeks. Every day. Not huge amounts, didn't get drunk once but it was just an absolute must being Christmas and that vibe. Probably won't drink tonight. Drank last night after drinking a decent amount new years. Those drinks last night were rubbish. Each time I drank it just felt awful and I was chasing a feeling I had earlier in the two weeks when my body wasn't as fucked up. It's Friday today and I'm surprised I don't want to have a few drinks but its a strange Friday as Christmas is over and it feels like we're at the end of it all now. Probably won't I think last night was a sign that I need a circuit breaker and by that I mean a week or so off it
>>41749465The guy that founded AA was able to quit thanks to psychedlics.
I've been in and outta rehab since 2018. Im finally just now getting some headway, in a good sober house but I still fuckin relapse over dumb shit. Its takes massive willpower. I truly believe once I can choof billies in my own apartment I'll be over the alcohol
>>41742274amphetamines or suicide by hanging
