Has anyone found a spiritual middle ground or view inbetween these two:- this world is a hopeless prison, we are deceived/forced by bloodthirsty archons who manipulate us into reincarnation to devour our pain over and over againvs- this world is a school, peace and love namaste ^_^ you WILL be reincarnated and suffer for your own good, all bad things are lessons, don't disappoint the Elders and Spirit Guides or you will be send back!Feels kind of hopeless. Especially because I don't want to go down the path of detachment and "just don't care about anything and don't desire anything bro"-path either.
The prison aspect isn't because it was created as so. The prison aspect is because of the spiritually dark forces that have a strong grip over it. The school aspect, too, wasn't by design. But it can be if you are so inclined to want to rise from your fallen nature. The only teacher that matters is Jesus, because He is the Lord of lords. He is the Almighty.
>>41767969I don't believe in Jesus personally and from all the near death experiences I've read there doesn't seem to be one true religion because everyone just meets who they believed in. So muslims meet their prophet, Hindus their Gods and so on.
>>41767973>and from all the near death experiencesLiterally anyone can claim one even if they didn't have one. I also find it fascinating that youre willing to take random accounts on the internet as truth but have a distrust of what is written of in the Bible. Why the double standard? How are accounts of (what you hope to be true) NDE's from people on the internet seem more valid than the most controversial in all of existence?
>>41767983*most controversial bookCause the experiences and understanding you have of thr afterlife is very freemasonic. Do you see that?
>>41767983Near-death experiences are a phenomenon reported across cultures and throughout human history. That alone gives them far more weight, in my view, than a religion that originated in a specific place and time, offers no empirical evidence for its claims, contains failed prophecies, and includes passages that endorse acts like killing infants and enslaving women.If you believe in it then that's all good. I don't. And I also did prayers and opened my heart to Jesus, asking him if he really exists to please show me. Never happened. So yeah, everything considered not my direction in life.
>>41767990>offers no empirical evidence for its claimsOh it does. But God isn't a magic genie that just mindlessly grants wishes, and neither is God a system which one can abuse, like Buddhism. He is a living God and judges us before He decides whether we're worthy of knowing He exists. He is not desperate to prove Himself. Anyone can make up an NDE, and that's something you refuse to acknowledge. Do you think the concept of lie and deceit is modern? You're intentionally biased.>And I also did prayers and opened my heart to Jesus, asking him if he really exists to please show me.He looks deep within man, and isn't easily impressed by lip service. You don't understand Him. You're desperate for proof, and have no interest in what He actually said. This tells me all you care about is power at the end of the day.
>>41767990Lso>a religion that originated in a specific place and time, offers no empirical evidence for its claims, contains failed prophecies, and includes passages that endorse acts like killing infants and enslaving women.>And I also did prayers and opened my heart to Jesus, asking him if he really exists to please show me.Do you see the flaw in your line of thinking?
>>41768007>>41768020There is no nothing about your specific religion that makes it more "legit" than any other of the 10000's religions on Earth. Every religion claims they are right and you just have to see for yourself. It's literally just a book written by other people with weird stuff in it and absolute no hard proof.If you believe it and it works for you that is fantastic. But I don't want to derail the thread with religious arguments that is for /his/ anyway.
>>41768084I already explained to you that evidence is given to those who legitimately seek Him out. Its even stated as such in thrBible. It's not about what I personally believe, it's whats true. You just don't get it, and clearly hold a negative bias towards the faith. Which is entirely your choice to do so and I respect that. I just couldn't help but point out the flaws in your line of logic, that's all.
>>41768092>I already explained to you that evidence is given to those who legitimately seek Him out.Every religion says that. Yours is not special. Prove Christianity is more legit than Islam, Hinduism, Paganism, Scientology. You can't. Stop trying to force your faith on other people as the number one true thing.
>>41768099I dont need to prove it, because that's not something i can do. Christianity pertains to divine Spirituality, and because of that; thr Divine itself can only prove it. It's not a worldly spirituality system like Buddhism, where you follow steps 1 to 5 and get results. You have to gain God's approval. Scientology is a cult disguised as a religion, and falls within the lines of worldly "spirituality" similar to Buddhism. Where you do steps 1-5 and get something out of it. Islam claims Jesus as valid, yet deny the Bible as valid, because the Bible proves Jesus' divinity and Islam slanders Him as merely being a Prophet. So islam and Christianity cannot both be true at the same time, thus disproven your idea that theyre all valid.
>>41768099>Stop trying to force your faith on other people as the number one true thing.Also, I'm simply sharing my opinion. I already told you that I was merely pointing out the flaws in your line of thinking and still find it absurd that you cannot see the issue with taking accounts you've read on the internet about NDEs as absolute truth, yet have issues with a book filled with accounts of the legitimacy of God. You and no one can prove an NDE as true, because not everyone can say they've experienced them. You're taking NDE accounts as a religion, and have faith that the ones you read are true. I dont understand why you can't see where I'm coming from.
>>41768138>>41768126Ok, thanks for sharing.
>>41768144Youre welcome. I hope you have a good day. Take care.
>>41767960>Has anyone found a spiritual middle ground or view inbetween these two:You dont actually exist. Middle ground is there is no ego. Awareness is without a self nature.
The middle ground is accepting the Noosphere. It is not a universal or multiversal truth, but you can think of it like a wifi network overlayed on this planet and somewhat beyond. Planet Earth is being manipulated and programmed by several species. According to the scinetific progress of humans, it really doesn't matter how deep you look within, you are not going to find any existential truths since you are a carbon based lifeform. You don't consist of everything.If we were to assume there was a big bang, your best bet is to quantum entangle with particles located randomly in space. How, you're going to be conscious about it and gain a two-way exchange is pure luck.
>>41768182*scientific
>>41768182I like this, not 100% alligned with my thinking but loving the noosphere stuff wich is 100% part of my allignment
Why would you try to find a middle ground for a false gaslightThis place is a prison and you need to escape it
>>41767983It's also fascinating that you can take what random desert-dwelling jews wrote and let your mind and spirit be controlled by it, unable to even consider that alternatives might have truth to them.A sad sight to look at, but my spirit is free and not bound to some mid-grade tyrannical demon like Yahweh so I'm not concerned by your inability to see your own subjugated state.
>>41768216Because it's EXTREMELY depressing. I surely want to leave Earth too forever but the idea that "all of this" was just a pointless suffering simulation is dark as fuck. And scary, in case we can't escape.
>>41768221100%
>>41767960the elders and spirit guides are dead
>>41767960>Has anyone found a spiritual middle ground or view inbetween these two:The cube will be destroyed.
>>41767960>middle groundIt's boot camp and testing facility. Prison planet and school all in one. Your head was made ajar, and every freedom is taken out of it, until you are ready to be filled with instruction. All people are born psychic, but they lose these abilities sooner or later. They are made into men and women who are limited by totalitarian thinking and mathematical ultimatums.The reason the meek (not weak, submissive) will inherit the earth, is because they would best serve as arms to those who "made" them. If those "creators" were never there, you would be experiencing a life that wouldn't have ended, a seamless continuation; and a life that you, as you are now, cannot even conceptualize. You can never know that life, but it was surely better than this one.
I think Jesus' promise to "live forever" is an appeal to what little soul memory you keep. We all know we're gonna die someday, we're not gonna keep anything. "Perhaps if we are submissive to the system, we won't have to start over from square one."They have no plan of letting you live forever. Something else might, but it won't be you.
>>41767960The warriors path
>>41767960It’s a ride. Like a roller coaster. You’re “locked in” for your own safety. That’s why there are bars. We all consented to get on the ride before we came here and it’s just a bit intense for some people.
>>41768482Who's this "we"?Me? I'm the ride, and so are you.
>>41767960Escape is the middle ground. Duality is an illusion. Things just occur, the only primordial goal is for more things to happen, preferably more often. Reasoning is just another thing happening. Expecting a byproduct to free you from its source is a dead end.
>>41767960They can be the same if its a mandated education, will can be found through veneration of you can recognize what got you here today. Skip out on the worship and honor garbage as youd have more luck spitting in their face
>>41769180no
>>41767960this planet should be loved and taken care for. that's why we need to kill all humans and their esoteric copes.
>>41767960ive posted in so many of these threads and at this point i think our lives are completely out of our hands and random the truest thing i have found was in x archives where someone said "belief is the true god, but no one knows / talks about how hard it is to actually change what you believe". this is what i believe now. not victim blaming of karma in dharmic religions, not nihilism of claiming permanent heavens dont exist and that self annihilation is the only way to be free from suffering in buddhism. I read that Chinese people originally believed that nothing is really true and what you believe creates reality. after a life full of torture and abuse this is what i think: - you get your luck completely randomly determined at birth or before your birth. - higher beings control our reality and the events that take place in it. - we are just slaves to the will of higher beings and our own biological/physical impulses. - what you believe genuinely creates and alters reality, but trying to change what you believe is like trying to clean your entire house with a toothbrush. this is probably also why every religion and near-death experience is different, including other factors. unfortunately, we were designed to be tortured by what we can't know, on top of all of the cruelty that exists in our world. we are just victims of an evil reality. although i had a dream where i heard a voice tell me "some people choose to be tortured in this life so that they have an advantage in the afterlife". and a Christian woman had an nde where 2 floating entities told her none of this was real and she was just allowed to take it seriously while she was alive. apparently she tried to argue with them by stating facts about earth. she later found out what a yin-yang symbol is and said that's what the entities were. so basically our luck is random and possibly predetermined, but you can change reality if you truly have conviction.
>>41767960>The world just exists, you are here, you lack the power to leave it, but you have the knowledge and understanding enough to be aware there is moreGiving everything reason is very human, you don't have to do it
>>41769922sounds like psychotic break, sorry anon you had to go through much pain. may you find your place where you belong.
>>41769974thanks, but why does it sound like a psychotic break :( i just dont understand reality at all anymore because i literally dont believe in anything except that gods exist and help us and we can pray to them for help. i literally do not know how to cope with life and i have a particularly difficult life. i don't know what to do. i used to have so much hope as a kid and was able to pray my way out of many situations but things changed so much now and it's just bleak and sad. i lost so much faith in life, mostly because of how buddhist beliefs affected me, and now I'm so hopeless.
>>41770116you know, i am kinda in the same place. i just wait for my life to end while fantacizing about being tortured and murdered and about the world ending. my cope is that the black sun will come to cause human extinction so the planet can heal.you shouldn't let anyone abuse you and tell you you're the problem. but i can't give you any more advice unfortunately. sorry.
>>41770142it's okay. thanks https://youtube.com/watch?v=r1xK9_vUu9o&si=0uREFOSPt9BzFczX
>>41770164don't worry, i'm sure i will find a way to clown on society. have good luck in your life.
All right, I don't know who will read this, but the solution is quite simple :We can't know. Some people say we are trapped, others say we are here to learn, and we can't know. There are so many possible answers that I can see, just spitballing here, like maybe solipsism is true and I'm all alone ? Maybe also, I don't exist ? Maybe some are trapped here but others have free rein ? Maybe I am, you are, or we all are NPC ? Maybe it's just a part of a game for bored angels and demons ? A cosmic peek-a-boo the universe does with itself to try to understand itself in eternity ? A loosh farm ? Heaven ? Hell ?We don't know, and the fact that some very smart people on earth tried to find it and did not tell me that we are not going to find out soon. So, either you can pick a guess, or you can try to focus on what you know and pick a life that would play well in both hypotheses.1) If we are to be manipulated into coming back here, we are dealing with an enemy that does not have the resource to force us here. We don't hide barriers to our cows and pigs, monkeys in zoos know that they are trapped, mostly because we are stronger than them. If someone needs to con you, you can beat them, simple as.2) If we are in a school, we are here to learn. So, we should learn. What, you might ask ? Well, what interests you ? For some it's Science, for others it's Art. Try stuff. Figure this out.In both cases, bettering yourself win. So do that.Also, realize that :-You are born with interests, talents, in a specific family with specific settings in a specific country at a specific time. Maybe you chose some elements in all of that, maybe you chose none. Does not matter, in the end. Do it à la Battle Royale, use what you got to the best of your abilities.-You should know about the occultists that came before you. Read everything you can, from the Bible to the Coran to the Hermetica to Gnosticism to Blavatsky to Newton and make your connections. What resonates ?
>>41770211Read about Near Death Events. Read about Dolores Cannon. Read about the Tibetan and the Egyptian book of Death. Read about the Kybalion. Read about Neville. Read about Vadim Zeland. Read about the CTMU. Read about the big TOE of Tom Campbell. Read about Chaos Magick. Read about Quantum Immortality. Read about Valis. And then, tell me what you think.
>>41769180What generetas the cubes energy
>>41770190you too :3
>>41770320thanks.
>>41767960It is a videogame.
>>41770232at the end of the day, that's all just reading. Experience something to really begin to understand.
>>41767960This world is the Dark Souls of realms.Those who overcome it are given so much clout in the spiritual realm.
>>41770555I hate videogames
>>41768241Stop being a low frequency hylicBeing tricked is more depressing. Finding out is liberating.
>>41767960Some say it's a place to experience the third dimension 3DHere, duality and matter are very experienced, in other dimensions, manifestations are immediate. Perhaps this 3D teaches the consequences of manifestation.
Sell your soul. It opens you up to a whole different world.
You're narrativizing the experience. It's neither a school nor a prison. Is the Amazon jungle a prison? No, it's just an environment. To some creatures it seems harsh, to others it will seem easy -but they all have to learn how to survive.
Earth is a soul farm for God's higher purpose.God infinitely generates humans according to random combinations of genetics, astrological influences, and circumstances. Human souls in this reality are nascent larval forms of our higher selves, which are not yet purpose-built for roles in other realms. If you do not fit the bill, your energy is recycled back into the system, because energy is not created or destroyed in this reality. For this reason, alongside God's difference in perspective across time and space, God doesn't particularly care about the fate of individual human incarnations here and now - his perspective is in the beginning and end simultaneously, broaching the difference between thousands of years all at once. So what seems cruel now to our limited human perspective is ultimately building and shaping both humanity and individual human souls.And for those who have reincarnated (everyone who is not an NPC, essentially), Earth is a spiritual fat camp. You came into this world a sinner, and you persist as such... but there's still hope for you, so God sends you here. Either you will prove yourself in this harsh reality and demonstrate either extreme goodness or extreme usefulness despite all odds, or you'll stay a sinner. However, reality as we know it will radically change in the coming century - likely beginning in 2033 and meeting its climax some decades later. However, you must remember that energy is not created or destroyed in this reality - therefore, your soul (or whatever's left of "you" in future incarnations) must go somewhere even after the dissolution of 3D space. If the change comes and you are worthy, He'll take you to the kingdom of heaven (Earth inhabited solely by humanity's finest, living lives of peace and glory). However, If you remain a sinner in this life, you will descend into Hell (2D existence of base animal impulses and predation, forever separated from God and without possibility of redemption).
>>41767960It's about 90% prison planet, 10% school for the spirit.Technically, the entire physical universe is a "school for the spirit", so that designation for the Earth/Sol system is deliberately misleading. This is a particularly dark planet in a particularly dark corner of the universe, and it's sole purpose is to enslave souls for as long as possible while extracting near limitless supplies of loosh for the (true) planetary rulers.If Earth were a video game it would be like playing in "nightmare mode". For more advanced souls it can be very challenging (if they like that sort of thing), but for younger less experienced souls it's like dying in the first 5 seconds of playing 10 million times in a row. They aren't really learning jack shit, except how much this corner of universe sucks balls. If there were time in the soul realm they would be wasting a lot of it, but, technically, there isn't so they aren't.The rulers of this planet have to abide by certain "spiritual rules" but they abuse the crap out of those rules in a thousand different ways. One way is to trick their underlings into violating your free will, so that they (not the true rulers) will receive the punishment for the spiritual crime.The physical universe is not perfect but Earth is in the bottom 5% (or more) of all incarnation planets and just about anywhere else would be better (for 99% of souls).
>>41767960>Prison>School>Has anyone found a spiritual middle ground or view inbetween these twoYes, its a prison school where we are both the teacher and the student, both the prisoner and the guard, and God is both the principle and the warden of this prison school, and he doesn't really know what he's doing either himself. Welcome to existence in a nutshell where we ask ourselves, "what the fuck are we doing here and why, and how do we get outta of this mess that we're in?"Well, anyways, the best thing you can do in this situation is to learn to enjoy the little things in life in our present moment of consciousness and to find a longer term goal in life that you can strive for in order to find purpose and meaning while we figure out what the fuck is happening with existence itself. Yep, that's the prison school for ya! We gotta learn from this school and break free from this prison. So good luck, y'all! Peace out!
It's a dream. Goal is to lucid dream so when you die you wake up.
>>41770232I ain't reading all that wtf broCan't you get like a picture book or something that'll be way better anon
>>41771678I didn't say it's not liberating. But the truth/freedom can be depressing and dark. That things you thought were loving or had your best interest at heart were betraying you the whole time is painful.
>>41767969Blessed digits, my brother in Christ.Three as a Sign of Divine Completeness - Strongs #7969. shalosh .He is the way,the TRUTHand the life.May you be deeply blessed for you are a treasured living stone.
God keeps Satan around to separate wheat from chaff. This is why God releases Satan after the thousand years of peace to deceive those who would rebel otherwise.Think of hell as a quarantine. If those people would cause issues in heaven why would you want them there? You can't have paradise and utopia with them there.Death don't care if you believe anything or not.Here's the rundown.If you are here in a ageing and dying body on this earth...Your body is the prison.You can choose to die off like a sperg.(I was dead for a few moments...I bet you won't like it when you find out there is "hell" where the worm never dies.It was hot there was nothing to grab onto or move myself with.It was hard to breathe.I tried to scream.No sound came out,and I knew there was no one to hear it if I did,and no one was going to "help" me.It was like being buried alive,in a very uncomforatble hot place with no gravity and no matter anywhere and it was like having a totally stuffed nose,but you couldn't even touch it or blow it.Hard to breathe very dark and hot hot..It was for a moment but it felt like eons.From the day you were born...you are dying and ageing.You're like a vvapor and you are like a grain of sand on the beach.You're nothing special.You talk as if you matter.Locked In: How to Escape Your Prison (BY JONATHAN KLECK) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfVSvaJBVmsTell me why your worm matters? Why did you squirt out of your mothers vagina upside down into this prison?
>>41772093Good questions>>41772062Demiurge apologist
>>41772062>Tell me why your worm matters? Why did you squirt out of your mothers vagina upside down into this prison?Is it humanity's fault that things were designed in such a way? I think you are making excuses for the architect and trying to entrap and make a scapegoat out of innocent people.How pathetic for a god that considers itself to be perfect to overlook the fact that the only reason why this happens is because of their own personal failure.
>>41767960It's a bit of both because the physical concept of the world does not fit the spiritual shadow of it. A mental realm is a cultural and thoughtform landscape. If youre on earth and your mind is impaired collectively then those people are in a bad mental realm.
>>41772086Not really. Because all religions are different and claim they are true above others, so they stand (most of them) in conflict. NDEs don't. They are just a natural phenomenon that happens regardless what people have been told or not.
>>41772335I just wish the noosphere had less parasitic shit souls accusing and threatening you with damnation for the crime of being human. Those people are sick in the head. I can only imagine how many lives they've ruined thinking they were serving God.
>>41772366You could be alone in a rain forest never having contact with the modern world and it's likely that you or someone in your tribe will have a near death experience. You will never hear about Jesus, Muhammad or Hindu Gods though. It's man-made and needs to be introduced to you by other people who brainwash you with their version of religion.
>>41772460>and it's likely that you or someone in your tribe will have a revelation.And yet most tribes for most of history never had a revelation like Christianity or Islam, while statistically most likely many of them had a NDE. Having some "schizo revelation" about a nature spirit that conflicts with major religions is not the same.>Of course you will - as evidenced by the fact that you have.Millions never heard about it and died that way. Still there a people on this planet who are remote and never did.>Show me a single NDE that wasnt from a human.It's not a man-made concept because anyone can have it anywhere at any point. There is no group of people as far as we know who "never had NDEs" but there were millions of groups who never got any revelations or insights of the big religions.
>>41767960I have not found a middle ground. I don't even know who trapped me here or why.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds
>>41772504>Yes. It is. Revelation and contact with the spiritual is revelation and contact with the spiritual.Nope. That's like saying "umm akshually all political parties are the same because they are... political!" completely ignoring that different religions insist on different absolute truths and that if you go against it, you will be punished.
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>>41767960Padmasambhava says "Suffering is bliss". He doesnt even says suffering will be transmuted into bliss he directly says suffering IS bliss. Because there is no time for him. This existence only exist in the eternal now.
>>41772878>>Padmasambhava says "Suffering is bliss". Ofcourse next thing he says after is "Dont cause any suffering in the world". Dont cause any suffering in this world. But what you have in hand is great opportunity for bliss.
>>41767960God wants/needs to realize all good things, and there are goods which can only come from the descent into multiplicity and suffering, and then arising and gathering it up in to a higher unity and harmony. Without this descent, God, though being Being-Consciousness-Bliss from eternity, is in a paradoxical sense incomplete without his emanations. This is why Christ hangs on the cross and descends to hell to raise the lowest souls. Why Odin tortures himself on the World Tree (symbol of the cosmic order) to collect the runes. Ponder that mankind was made from the ash tree. Odin pains himself through you to collect the runes, and this is the Logos of the world.If you've ever seen true Beauty you will know that it is a painful and overpowering thing to behold. Its mere presence feels like it's enough to kill you, and sometimes it is. Bringing multiplicity into Unity is harmony. Harmony is beautiful and that which most multiform is the furthest from the Good. Beauty is the Telos of the world. This is your middle ground.
>>41767960Heaven and hell are states of being. Demons and angels (cacodemons and agathodemons) are residents of those states of being that hold values and perspectives of them. Cacodemons want to bring you to hell with them and Agathodemons want to elevate you to heaven.In the modern day, Cacodemons are winning right now. We need to fix that.
>>41767960Prison planet with schoolsSo when you die and endothermic parole board in the sky, they decide if you learned enough to be consideted rehabilitated, or if your parole is denied and you go back and are reborn.
>>41767960The Poimandres is neutral towards matter. The myth relating to the incarnation of man is more of a love story, it has no evil or sinful connotations.
Neither a school nor a prison, those are just crude human abstractions of something else which can't be told much less explained in any man made language.
>>41773979>rehabilitatedThis is not a soul rehab and what you're implying is Kangaroo Court. They have no right. Because they're wrong.
>>41770211>>41770232thanks for your post, anon, i like the thesis. at the end of the day, we all must choose to live.
i just found this quote that i remember seeing recently, and it's actually one of the only things that genuinely gives me hope. “Let no one frighten you, for you are an immortal being who cannot die. Although I have awakened to my Godhood before you, I am no better because I got there first, for there is no such thing as being first. Everyone is moving toward that level, and no one can fail.” – Neville Goddard
>>41768482I ate 3/4 of a bag of shrooms in 2016 and had the same cognition. I "knew" that I had chosen to come here, to incarnate. I also had the feeling that when I did I knew I was slumming, like playing that one video game you used to love but you've beaten it a thousand times and gotten all the achievements and it's just not all that fun anymore and you know you should be doing something more productive but you may as well finish it.I really hope I decide to play a new game after this one ends.
>>41769180This is a lot less clever and a lot more retarded than you seem to think it is.
>>41767960It's neither a school nor a prison, it's the only place where physical sensations can be felt. We come here willingly because the afterlife bores us.
>>41770116>>41770142You edgy niggas need to seriously consider psilocybin microdosing.
>>41771857And that's why who-knows-how-many children are raped to death and die screaming every day on this planet.Dumbass.
>>41776016A master who cannot bow to his disciple can not bow to Buddha.
>>41767960>don't disappoint the Elders and Spirit Guides or you will be send back!hahahahahahahaha
Chop wood, carry water.
>>41768482>consent counts even though you can't remember giving itI don't think that defense would fly in a rape case
Unironically read Foucault, they're the same thing.
>>41768482>We all consented to get on the ride before we came hereNo. That's just the feeling implanted in you by whatever the fuck the beings masquerading as benevolent entities actually are.The same way they can implant feelings of love or absolute fear in you, they can make you feel responsible for your existence here; like you CHOSE to be here, and how it's your fault ultimately, if you dislike it.The phenomenon manipulates you whenever you are in contact with it. That's blatantly obvious.
>>41776016Neville did to alcohol addiction in a painful way and was unable to save his wife and his kids didn't want anything to do with his teachings. Dunno.
>I got my diploma in prison
>>41773207A true God has neither wants nor needs. Also, ugliness is the Telos of this world. You'd think you'd have noticed by now.
>>41778291>A true God has neither wants nor needsbullshitGod could make independent children and WANT them to be a certain way without forcing them to, so he would have "wants"
>>41767960It's both and it's neither. Just enjoy the ride. But if you'd like there's plenty to see just behind your eyes. Truth falls from the cracks with giggles in tow. Like Humpty Dumpty.
>>41767960Adam and Eve demanding The Holy Trinity make the Earth as Evil as possible, which He turned into making it as Evil as He was willing to before it would stop ultimately returning Good: there was no trick, it was a pact they made with Satan, the female of The Holy Trinity's species from the Spirit World, with God presiding and having the final say over everything. I am the last Christian Prophet of Revelations, which began on the 22nd of last December: the Earth is nearly at a point where it would ultimately return Evil rather than Good, which is why it is ending.
>>41767960>>41779594 (Me)Every copy of the Bible is compromised by Demons and now Satan except for the words of Christ in the New Testament. Red letter is preferable but not necessary, God will show you why.
>>41776030I get that feeling a lot.
>>41770232>>41770211I think quantum immortality is wrong, it is dependent on MWI, which is a way to dismiss the idealistic implications of the observer effect. Standing on both philosophically weak and non-scientific ground. It is not something that would align with CTMU or TOE, considering the importance of consciousness and the observer in those modern systems.Other than the Tibetan and Egyptian book of the dead you are missing a lot of proper metaphysics, and depend way too much on things that could place you into the realm of pseudo spiritualism.Considering your earlier comment I think you are too focused on the wrong questions, as in that which is unanswerable.Keep going with that strong attitude, but focus on principalities of the old world.
>>41779802Satan is the one that does the Mandela Effect. It will start to hit the Bibles in a big way. Repent in Jesus Christ of Nazareth now if you want an unaffected copy and buy one physically. The word of Christ in the New Testament in red letter is preferable but not necessary, God will show you why.
>>41767960>>41767960Uhhh not the second one, or at least not as it's been proposed in your OPPersonally I'm of the opinion that this life is some kind of test/place to learn, for example, how can one know what it means to be an immortal divine spark if one does not know mortality? In my opinion we are here to learn and therefore appreciate what it truly means to be immortal and if we "pass" the test, we can become higher beings, what is beyond that I cannot say.I don't believe that it's all "good and namaste" there's plenty of bad stuff, plenty of evils and the such, but the point is to rise above it. I'd consider Nihilism to be like refusing to take the test, and if you refuse to take the test, you fail automatically. On the other hand if this is a test that cannot be won by playing and the only way to "win" is to not play, signaling that you are above it so to speak, then that route would work but my intuition tells me it is the former rather than the later.In my opinion, those claiming it is a "prison planet" are people who are struggling with the test and are probably going to fail and want to bring others down with them, they ironically emulate the "archons" they claim to despise. I've never really heard the prison planet people claim you can escape, a few might say shit like "don't go towards the light" and any form of escape usually just ends in some form of oblivion, which just feels like fear mongering.Granted I could be wrong but I'm only going off what I can which is logic and intuition.
>>41779882How do the million kids who experienced severe abuse or rape throughout history fit into this epic learning journey? This is really the only way God can teach?
>>41780154Well there are hylics that serve as lessonsThese beings are not watches over at all by higher beings and serve only to show the absolute worst of the world, one learns to be grateful to not be in their position and if put in a position to help, one can learn more things such as the joy of saving others, or a darker lesson could be the futility of it.I'm not a christian by any means, I'd say there are many gods, if that's what you wish to call them, and as there are benevolent entities, there are malevolent ones that oppose them. I do not subscribe to the idea of an "all powerful god" there are higher beings, some want to help us and see us grow into higher beings ourselves, others wish to torture us and twist us into beings like themselves, beings of malice and cruelty.But yes there are lessons in the sufferings of others, lessons that could not be learned of those sufferings did not exist, if you're one of those that demands life to not be cruel, understand that it will always be cruel and you can choose to lessen that cruelty, or even increase it, depending on what you want to become.
>>41780670"Yeah it was really sad that that 4 year old got raped to death with a Bowie knife but it's okay she was a hylic and you can learn from her suffering."Shut up retard.
>>41781076>>41781076Your attempt at shock and deflection just doesn't really work here, that's for normies.Anyways, yes what can you learn from such an event? You can learn that there is great evil, you can learn about the capability of malice in an individual, you can learn whether or not you're halfway decent by your reaction to the thought of it. Why do you bring it up, is it perhaps your frustration, or are you simply trying to demoralize others?One could say that I could learn from this interaction, although tone is difficult to convey over text, one could see you're clearly upset with the world and think you are owed some level of fairness or something or other. Would you actually read anything and ponder it? Or would you simply skim it and lash out when it doesn't confirm your preconceived notions.Is it a waste for me to respond? Or maybe I can get through to you, or more likely I can get through to those who read, as your mind is likely made up, as well as my own, all that remains us to sway those reading the exchange, that coupled with the relatively low loss of time and energy, makes it fruitful and purposeful.There are lessons in all things, even in the most heinous acts, I've read and seen plenty worse than what you describe but it is about what is beyond the mortal realms.There is a force of malevolence that must be fought, but to begin to fight it, you must understand that it exists and what it is capable of. If the scenario you put forth bothers you as it does me, stop complaining about how evil the world is and start thinking about how you can be a positive force and to change it for the better.It's really that simple anon.
>>41781137What is this obsession with learning that you slave goys have? UMM MORE LEARNING POINTSYES PLEASE MAKE ME SUFFER SO I'M LE LEARNINGAnd then you learned all that, then what?What did you learn after the 10000000th raped kid? Why did it take that many for you to learn anything? One or two weren't enough?
>>41781137Bro stop trying to backpedal. You literally said that all the children who die screaming don't have souls and they only exist for us to learn some kind of cosmic lesson. And then I pointed out what a retarded thing that is to believe and you responded by accusing me of demoralizing others because I poked holes in you braindead "logic" and went on to act like some kind of high and mighty guru. Just admit that you've got your head wedged all the way up your ass and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.Unless you stand by your claim that children who are tortured to death never had souls to begin with. Do you stand by that claim?
>>41767960My personal philosophy is that our spirits are crystallizations and/or facets of a grand unified consciousness that exists outside of time and that our time on earth is like somewhere between a laboratory rat maze test and a grand cosmic play, and when we die we return to the unified consciousness with additional knowledge and context about ourselves.Would you actually be a good person? Would you be kind to those in need? Its easy to say but when there are no real stakes, how can anyone really know?Step right up and put yourself to the test, sign here and you'll be born a mortal human on earth with all that entails, including losing the memory of your divine spiritual self. It's a hard test, too. Few pass it. I think most return to eternity with the knowledge that they aren't nearly as good as they may have thought. Some even are ostracized from the consciousness for eternity because of their actions. >source: I made it up
The world is like Gary's Mod. It's a completely meaningless experience with no goal. We came here because it looked interesting or something. There is no purpose to human life and it is neither good nor bad. When you die you just go somewhere else. Or you come back. Up to you.
>>41768482Buy the ticket, take the ride.
>>41768084I’ll prove it for you. In a few ways. The first is to remove all dogma and modern bullshit cosmetic themes like Dante’s inferno and the Catholic Church blessing fleets of lambos. Now take the words of Christ’s teachings and apply them as an economic model for a civilization. Do this for every religion and suddenly the merits of Christianity rise to the top in such a clear way that it’s almost embarrassing to believe in anything else. Treating others as you would want to be treated. Kindness to your fellow man regardless of their background. Giving people the benefit of the doubt and striving towards a desire for altruism. Oh and the most blatant feature of Christianity, a strict ban on Usury.
>>41781477Now look at all of history and take a wild guess at which religions have consistently produced the most viable and sought after societies for people to live in? Why was the west so successful? Because the teachings of Christianity allowed for the most prosperous economic model to unfold. Atheists in the west sure love to hate on Christians but they fail to recognize they enjoy so many benefits of society that only exist because the society they live in was created with Christian foundation. Being a modern lefty atheist is a luxury afforded by the efforts of Christian men and women because of the tolerance built into Christianity. In a state sponsored atheist society like Soviet Russia you can see the issues with tolerance rise up pretty fast. Christians have the uncanny ability to genuinely considered other people’s ideas and if they are good ideas they will adapt them. Compare that to African or Indian societies that reject anything outside of their culture in a sort of world wide Uncle Tom fear. This keeps them eating mud.
>>41781479Innovation and invention that benefits mankind seems to stem from a desire for being seen as altruistic. Christianity and its heavy emphasis on shaming bad behavior naturally breeds a healthy competitive scene for ideas to flourish and rise to the top. Atheists produce communism and or ideas that can be written on paper but can’t last long as a societies foundation because there is no shared internal mythos. There is no punishment for being selfish and the idea that “if you need a book to tell you that being mean to people is wrong then you aren’t a good person” is childish and ignores that everyone needs a reason to be a good person. If you don’t have a good one you won’t be one. Eternal damnation in a firery pit is not an actual tenant of Christianity but rather an exaggeration of the idea used for population control with mixed results. Still more effective than most even if a distortion. Buddhism doesn’t produce strong economies and certainly doesn’t produce strong civilizations or armies, it produces nihilism as detachment is seen as the ultimate goal.
>>41781479Second reason why Christianity is authentic. Because if you remove the idea that it’s real, you’re still left with this book of wisdom that is unparalleled in any other religion. “Treat others as you would want to be treated” started with Jesus. It has similar ideas predate it but it is unique to Christian writings. “How will we know who is a good person or not if anyone can claim to be?” “You will know them by their fruits” etc etc If it was irrelevant whether the historical account was true or not you would still be left with a book that is infinitely more wise than any other. If it doesn’t matter if it’s true or not for the wisdom to work as practical life advice then it transcends the question of “is it true”. Is it true that the west dominated the world and produced the societies that everyone copied and desperately wants to move to for a better standard of living? Take Japan for example. Before Christians arrived it was a super dog eat dog savage battleground world. After Christians arrive suddenly the Japanese learn to respect other culture’s ideas and adopt them to improve on them in their own way. And rapidly Japan becomes a powerhouse and arguably the most desirable Asian country for people to want to live in.
>>41781484This same story plays out across the world in so many ways. So if the historical account of the world as we know it isn’t entirely bullshit then it seems there is an inherent advantage to any civilization that adopts christian ideas. Look at the current quality of life of Americans compared to earlier centuries closer to the original founders Christian ideas. As the Jews took over they depleted the QoL of Americans and have raped their produce. America has rotten fruit now that Jews control it. Why? Because Judaism applied as an economic model produced a societal oligarchy of Jewish supremacy. The Talmud teaches to abuse non Jews to the advantage of Jews. The Christian Bible teaches to allow everyone the grace of god regardless of their ethnicity. When a nation is rooted in Christian ideals it is an unstoppable force that can only be eroded thru subversion and corruption. So the next time you think about whether Jesus is real or not, ask yourself if that question is even relevant then you can free yourself to ask better questions
>>41781477"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. " (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)Hahaha. Yeah no thanks. This is how you can tell it was just written by a man and not God.
>>41776264(((gnosticism))) has been pushed by online influencers and glowies for years because of you buy into it then you'll accept things just getting worse and worse and attribute it to a ""demiurge"" instead of the people actually pulling the stringsthey also intentionally try to sell it as some kind of deep and mystical belief system but it's just bullshit designed to disconnect you from Godmidwits and redditniggers love (((gnosticism)))
>>41781492Those weren’t said by Jesus tho I don’t think anyone with a triple digit IQ would disagree. When women lead men you get all sorts of problems. Women are wonderfully beautiful creatures but to think they are identical to men is silly. They were created to be helpers of men and together they produce the most successful offspring. Having the woman do everything produces criminals at an exceptionally high rate. Have you ever been apart of a group project before? The moment things become coed is the moment the dynamics shift from “how can we best solve this problem” to “how can I impress this opposite sex?”Women are to lead women. Men to lead men. Men are the outer wall of the family unit to protect and women are the masters of the inner sanctum of the family. But if you must have your women fix you can add the Gnostic texts where Jesus praises Mary M for asking questions and when the men complain that she’s even there Jesus says don’t worry he will make sure she’s taught the ways of the men and won’t be a disruption. Or you could be a red letter Christian and just read what Jesus said. Or you could actually consider history and see how often women make terrible leaders. Their good nature is easily subverted against them. Let all immigrants in! Take care of everyone on the planet! These are feminine ideas that sound good but lack wisdom
>>41781533And those texts were found near Israel right after WWII so heavy grains of salt in the Gnostic texts The “”heeby jeebies”” are a matriarchal desert fertility cult
>>41781403Yes I stand by that claim, I never backpedalled.Hylics probably make up around 60% of people, it's clear to anyone with a brain that a significant portion of the population aren't actually living and lack the awareness to realize there's more than this mortal existence.Like in a game, NPCs serve a function, many of them are lessons, some direct in a tutorial manner, others more abstract, some are there for story elements both good and evil.This is not to say "life is just like games durr hurr" but instead more accurate to say that games are modelled after life. Many creators of media in its various forms, either consciously or subconsciously put in truth into their craft, another lesson, another way to learn.When you stop wallowing in your atheist angst, accept life isn't fair and isn't supposed to be and open up your mind to greater possibilities, you begin to see the greater picture, you recognize patterns and will see the effects of beings so far past your senses and realize there is so much more. You stop trying to have "gotcha" moments and I stead seek to grow, although hopefully into a benevolent being and not a malevolence.Anyways, I used to be atheist, I can't make you come to a realization all I can do is point out that you're angry and you seek to throw your scorn at a god who is supposed to be "loving". The abrahamic god is a weak god, a god of slaves and despite calling himself "the one true god" it's just not true.If you're really mad at him, try to contact other gods and thwart his efforts of subjugating human souls, which in a sense are like eggs, growing to become something more.
>>41780154The guy shares his opinion and you torch him because you don't agree, what the fuck ? Recognize it could be true. You don't like it, yes, but every story needs foil to make the gold shine.Have you ever watch Breaking Bad ? Game of Thrones ? Terminator ? Any movie where anyone dies ? Played any video games ? Killed anyone ever in a FPS ? Congrats then, you enjoyed the death of someone."well they are fictional so it's not the same"Yes, of course they are fictional TO YOU, THE ENJOYER.And that's the part that bothers me that I swear most people don't understand : IF THERE ARE HIGHER PLANES OF EXISTENCE, THEN WE MIGHT SEEM FICTIONAL TO THEM TOO.That's what the guy meant and frankly, we will never know if it's true or not, but if it helps to cope with evil and remain sane, why stop him ?
>>41781684I can't look in the face of people who suffered this much and say "Um yeah you're just a NPC buddy for my amusement and learning ^^"
>>41781695If they're going to be dying anyways and there's nothing you can really do about it on a large scale, does it not behoove one to, at bare minimum, learn from their existence? As above so below, a greater understanding of suffering allows for a greater appreciation of joy, without any suffering, there would be no joy, there only be what is.Learn to appreciate the spark of divinity that is a soul, you have empathy and so if you are in a position to help or hurt a hylic, you will further your growth as a benevolent or malevolent being, personally I urge you to help them when you can.And that's what you don't seem to get, even if in the grand scheme they don't have a soul, it's no reason to be cruel to them but it's also pointless to get hung up on them as well, do not dwell upon them overly much but do not completely dismiss them.
My take a third option is that it's neither a prison nor a school in absolute, it's a story. The purpose of existence is to create stories and foundations of stories. Themes and archetypes are the building blocks of earthling life and an individual could gain deeper understanding of the universe by understanding the themes and archetypes that their personal story is about. Dramatic tension is a real supernatural force, Comedy and Tragedy are primeval flavors of most emotions. If you adore and believe in a specific piece of art enough your life will begin to reflect it's aspects. We are here to experience these things and also embody them.
>>41779857>>41779802THERE'S NO MANDELA EFFECT IT'S LITERALLY JUST YOUR MEMORY BEING SHIT. THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T CONSPIRE TO CHANGE MOVIE QUOTES.
>>41781533"God" is the one disconnecting us from himself by giving us literally zero reason to trust him at all.
>>41768126If Christianity was true then people thought out time and the world would have met Jesus and wrote about Yahweh (who started off as the Jewish storm god before becoming the God of all via historical peculiarities) world wide without ever contacting the Jews. They did not, instead religions worldwide, in isolated groupings of humanity look something akin to what is experienced in NDEs/heavy psychedelic experiences - Yahweh and Jesus do not show up until well later and only show up once there is Christian/Jewish influence in an area, never independent of it. Also fuck you for saying that Christianity is real because the bible says its real. What a retarded, illogical statement to make. This is a logical error I wouldn't even expect a 2 year old to make. Why am I right? Because I wrote a book saying I am right. If you seriously think that this is sufficient evidence of the correctness of Christianity then you would gobble up any shit with 0 evidence.
>>41781487>Second reason why Christianity is authentic. Because if you remove the idea that it’s real, you’re still left with this book of wisdom that is unparalleled in any other religionThe same book says slavery is ok. That genocide is a good thing. Women are property to be pillaged from others. That stealing and scamming your family members out of their inheritance is a good thing - it even makes you a man after God's own heart. That human and child sacrifice is a good way to garner favour with God when seeking a military victory. The bible is full of tonnes of unadulterated bullshit and foolishness as well, at least equally or more so than alot of other religious texts.
>>41781695When you play Zelda or Mario, would you go and tell the Princess "fuck off I'm not saving you, you are not real anyway" ? No, you help her. That's the game.Do you see what I'm pointing at ? It can be BOTH a fictional instance of suffering and a reason to step up and do the right thing.
>>41782051There is no sentient beings in the world of video games. You are not making a valid comparison.
>>41782058In current video games ? Perhaps.Wait 1000 years and tell me so. You think we reached the pinnacle of what NPC can do ? Or maybe...it's not a video game ? Maybe the NPC are directed by someone too ?Maybe it's more akin to DnD ? Which would mean that what you 'picture' when you play DnD is the same stuff of what our world is made ? And that we are in the game of someone...Maybe ourselves ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(religion)Which brings me to one of my favourite comment in the thread :>>41781873Truly underrated.I love this reading on reality but allow me to push it deeper :The story of our life, or just mine actually, seems to follow very...human patterns ?The behaviours, the events, the things seem to reflect the way I think, rather than the way let's say octopus, dolphins or even some aliens I see in the stories, see what I mean ? It's all logical...which could very well not be.So my take on that is that whoever this story is for, is, will be or was human at some point. Is there a storyteller somewhere ? An audience ? Or are we living through the concept itself of what a story is ? Fascinating questions.
>>>>41782097I believe some human stories about non human life do actually capture some non human archetypes, but that is rare. My life is also full of these human themes despite my best efforts to have entirely exotic ones, I have only a couple non standard plot threads going.I assume there is some kind of Producer and Author structure, because these are things we see down here. Tensions between an individuals artistic vision and the needs of the greater production can cause dissonance. An individual person's life may be very guided by an author, or may be very guided by the needs of Production, or maybe something in between. I try to be my own writer, as everyone probably should.Having too many non human themes would probably hurt the believability of the story to its desired audience. As far as who the audience is... Well I can give the most standard spiritual answer that it's the highest God. But I also assume whenever I see "Shadow people" that those are audience members too.
>>41782234>I believe some human stories about non human life do actually capture some non human archetypes, but that is rare. My life is also full of these human themes despite my best efforts to have entirely exotic ones, I have only a couple non standard plot threads going.Godbless. You have a sharp brain, keep that. Wish I could have such conversations with other people in my life. Why do you think most people can go to that layer of meta-thinking ?
>>41782357I am a little confused if you are asking my most people accomplish meta thinking or most people can't accomplish meta thinking.I think when Exotic Ideas such as non human themes/archetypes show up, it's because of the concious agency of those ideas themselves seeking to be known by something else. So when somebody gets profoundly it's because imagination itself is actively pouring into their head, rather than the person tapping into it. If meta awareness is more common it is because of shifts in both humanity's collective unconscious and the less familiar forces/entities that interact with it.As for why most people could have trouble with meta awareness, I imagine it's a mix of the fact that superstition is heavily discouraged in most cultures. And that actually trying to untangle complicated forces like Narrative Causality or apply an acausal, idealistic, thematic analysis to themselves seems to result in either the above mentioned profound inspiration, or madness, in varying flavors. Staring into the abyss makes it stare back, and reach out to you, not everybody responds to it staring back the same way, some shut the door and never look again.
>>41782518If we lose this thread hit me on meowsiczik (arobase) proton (punkt) me.
>>41782518>>41783125Thanks for the answer, I struggle with their spam system. Tell me, would you be able to share some of your cosmogology ? How do you perceive this whole story to exist, why, the amount of fate/destiny we got...
I think being an adult for so long has caused you to forget that school is a prison
>>41783131I'm not 100% on much besides a few axioms. I exist. I desire to be good. I look for metaphysical explanations that satisfy me.To expand the metaphor of there are us humans, some writers, some "Producers" and some "Audience" I figure the writers are most intimately connected to us. We experience their archetypes, feelings, stories, perhaps by acting out these stories we empower or glorify the writers. The writers are following some external rules, which is set by Production, these could be malevolent or benevolent. This may include everything from what archetypes are allowed to the physical laws we experience. I hesitate to label any of those forces Good or Bad according to our understanding of those things. As far as the audience I can't assume much except that the name of audience implies a sort of passive enjoyment. I do actively try to live a life that is entertaining.As for free will and determinism... I don't fucking know. But that's my driving question in life too. Can I or anybody change reality against material circumstances? I want to, I think I have several times at several scales. But even if I have become magical, is it because of my choices or because it was decided I would by higher forces? Ultimately my last axiom is that I act as though I have full control of myself. Because even if I don't maybe I'll grow into that one day.
>>41781638Whether you know it or not you're peddling solipsism. You're making the claim that some people are real and some people aren't real, and you're the one who decides. Let's put aside the children for a moment. You're saying that anyone who was ever tortured to death or anyone who ever died screaming isn't a real person(It was quite common to die screaming, coughing up lungfuls of black ichor before the advent of modern medicine). That's kind of insane. It's your way of dealing with your own insecurity and your own fears of suffering and death. "It could never happen to me! All those people who died horribly did so just to serve as a source of edification for my journey into godhood!"Also you're projecting and inferring like mad. Wondering why children die screaming doesn't make someone an atheist. Damn dude, how many fucking atheists do you think frequent the /x/ board? What I am(not that it's any of your fucking business but since you're so obsessed with labeling me) is someone who was born into and raised in a nightmarish "Christian" fundamentalist cult. It was God and my God-given skepticism that allowed me to escape from it and kept me from going totally insane. And now I'm applying that skepticism to your frankly immature and self-centered theology. You're not nearly as wise and enlightened and transcendent as you seem to think you are.So tell me about your idea of God. Obviously you're some kind of Gnostic. Are you full on Archons and Demiurge and the whole nine yards?
>>41767983>distrust of what is written of in the Bible.Can you blame them. it was written by jews and full off stuff like this. >At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)exodus 4:24
>>41782051>helping normalfagsNo way.
>>41784059>>41784059"I'm a skeptic" aka you now reject all gods because you grew up under Christianity. You are basically an atheist, which is the rejection of any idea of religion.Solipsism is the idea that only you exist and nothing else matters, I'm saying there are people who have souls and can thus dictate causality and can make life better or worse for all, hylic or otherwise with the aid of higher beings.I wouldn't say I'm a gnostic,nas I reject the idea of the demiurge but I do use their terms because they're more or less established terms and I'm not in the business of reinventing words.I've stayed my ideas several times but allow me to do so again because it's not much trouble and I have patience.I believe there are.many gods, most likely the different names throughout cultures are the same being allowing us in our limited ways to give them nicknames. There are those who want to help us and those that want to hurt us, right now I'd say most of the people in positions of power on politics and what not worship what could be referred to as demons, malevolent beings, they are obsessed with the material and inflicting pain and suffering on the hylics.In my opinion we are to seek the aid of the higher beings that oppose the demons, gods that seek to help us become greater than we are now. I'd preferably make the world a better place, for hylics and otherwise, the first step is to understand the world, see it's problems and learn what I can from them.You can call or cope of you want, but I fail to see what bitching about it and gaining nothing from it all does anything productive.Again, get over your angst and see the bigger picture.
