When I was around three or four years old, my family had a book that listed the angels and their names, and more information about themThis was a really old book and the paper smelled very sharply, as if it had a feeling when you looked at itI remember my mom reading about Michael, Gabriel, Ramiel, and a female angel named CheyenneAs it described their exploits, I remember having extreme visions in my mind's eye, it honestly felt like the book was cursed As I went to sleep that night, I remember seeing a man in a white tunic who I knew was Michael yelling at me, calling me a motherfuckerAnd I also saw the angel Cheyenne with no clothes, calling me baby and calling me a name I can't rememberI also saw Gabriel telling me to stick true to my path and avoid darknessThese weren't like dreams even though I was asleep, the visions came right after anotherMichael had a long thin nose, long reddish-brown hair, ice blue eyes, and freckles across his faceCheyenne was thick/curvy with long red hair, and she looked like an angel in an unmistakable way, almost cherub-ishI've searched all over and can't find any books like that anymoreThe angels seemed malevolent, and it came across as if they weren't nice at all
I also remember Michael screaming something about Lucifer
>>41773475>The name Cheyenne originates from the Lakota Sioux word ŠahíyenaYup, that "angel" definiatly was an OCRebuke them in the name Yashua your Lord. >“Behold, I give you authority… over all the power of the enemy. (Luke 10:19)”
>>41773475Yeah those are all demons lol. “Angels” aren’t classified as a separate species in the Bible. The word “mal’āk” in Hebrew or “aggelos” in Greek means “messenger” and is always used functionally, to describe the role someone is acting in, not ontologically. It’s like calling someone a postman, it doesn’t imply postmen are a separate pre-human class of glorified beings. In context, the word usually describes a living human literally delivering a message on God’s instruction. Often, it refers to a theophany, called the “Angel of the LORD” who in context is understood to be Christ himself. Rarely, it seems to imply a glorified human, someone who has died and was with the Father in Heaven, a part of the “cloud of witnesses” of saints (those redeemed and perfected in Christ) —on a few rare occasions, it appears God sends one of these folks back from the dead for a short time to deliver a message or intervene somehow on His behalf.
>>41773626For sure, it's been freaking me out for years, guess that's why they all seemed so evil, and why the book felt so cursedThanks for the information
>>41773626>the “Angel of the LORD” who in context is understood to be Christ himselfWhat about all of those times the phrase shows up in the Old Testament? Why would a Jewish text written hundreds of years before Jesus's time be talking about the Christian messiah?
>>41773626>>41773634The Bible is very clear angels are a distinct order of beings. Yes, mal’akh and angelos literally mean “messenger.”And yes, the term can occasionally be used of:>human messengers (e.g., Malachi 2:7)>the Angel of the LORD (often a Christophany)But Scripture also teaches plainly that there are non-human angels who are created by God before mankind, who are immortal until God destroys them and spirit beings.>“By Him all things were created… whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities.” Colossians 1:16Paul distinguishes angelic ranks from humanity.>“He makes His angels spirits… and His ministers a flame of fire.” Psalm 104:4Hebrews 1 quotes this to contrast angels vs. sons (humans redeemed in Christ).>“Do you not know that we will judge angels?” 1 Corinthians 6:3You can’t judge something that is you.>“They neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels.” Matthew 22:30A category distinction.Angels do not repent or change allegiance after rebellion (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 6).
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>>41773586What did he say?
>>41773766I was too young to really remember, something about heat? The sun? I don't know
>>41773709>thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritiesConflation error. These, like the seraphim and cherubim in prophetic visions, are representations of divine power in action and exist in Heaven with the Father. None are called angels and none perform the role of an angel, delivering messages, judgements, or assistance to the living on God’s orders. >He makes His angels spirits… and His ministers a flame of fire.This very clearly is the glorification of His children. When the righteous are in Heaven they are spirits free from the iniquity of flesh.>Hebrews 1 quotes this to contrast angels vs. sons (humans redeemed in Christ)No it doesn’t, it contrasts angels vs. the Son (Christ). Glorified humans are made spirit, yet none have the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father in whom is all the power of God. I hope you just misremembered and weren’t trying to misquote Scripture.>Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?>Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?>Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?1 Corinthians 6:1-3Context is important. The Bible isn’t for cherry-picking. Yes even the messengers of God will be judged, as all fall short of His glory. You can’t “judge something that is you” and that’s not remotely what the verses say. This isn’t self-judgement, this is the righteous judging the rest of creation. >For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Very important part that you cut out there. I can’t imagine how you’d miss it, or any legitimate reason to censor it. Now I’m concerned your earlier misreading was intentional too.The verse compares the future earthly bodies that we will inherit to the current spiritual bodies of those in Heaven.
>>41773626Except Zoroastrianism has angels as well. So does Yazidism. So does Yazdanism, in fact it is called "The Cult of Angels." That should be enough to tell you that "Angels" are a race of being.
>>41774248Demons do certainly exist but they’re down here on our plane, they’re not spirit beings in the true sense, they are specially and temporally bound and are subject to physical laws like entropy. This is apparent by their physical manifestations, their apparent desperation for “feeding” on human emotion, and the consistently observable degradation in the complexity of their appearance and behavior over time in the absence of human attention. Demons are parasitic constructs born from human consciousness, like an egregore or a tulpa.
>>41774265>speciallySpatially*
What makes you think Angels are demons?
I made the post, and I should mention in the visions, the angels had that same papery old cursed book feeling applied to their form Like it was their energy
>>41774277This ^ was for you: >>41774269
>>41773475My friend had the Bible angels you mentioned visit him as a child. Now he’s grown and they are back telling him to do bad things. Who are these things?
>>41774299Wonder if that means their essence *is* the book. Instead of the book being about them, maybe the book created them. Like they only exist when someone reads it, and their whole being is just an extension of the book infiltrating the reader’s mind.
>>41774320I don’t. I’m saying sometimes some tribal people a millennia or two ago came into contact with demons, who misrepresented themselves as benevolent, and those people worshipped the demons not knowing they were being farmed by them. Angels are different and unrelated. The things Yazidis describe are not angels.
>>41774336Do you think no religion has info on real Angels?
>>41773475These angels/archangels come from a realm that existed before the universe was createdI call it the Old Place, but it was named Vinia, like having to do with vines It was an infinite, flat world that spanned on infinitely with rolling landscapesThe moon and the sky were even different realms from the land and each other, rather than more physical places within this realm This world I believe was created by Lucifer and his goddess, but I'm uncertain on it I've had dreams, past life memories, and other visions of this place while experimenting with psychedelics, and it still exists separate from our universe This is the world where Lucifer was sent to hell by the people by using blood contract, as he was god, and where he fought all of his wars (The War against 90 million demons, his war against the Archangels, and eventually the Battle for the City of Angels against Michael)The Old Place existed hundreds of millions of years and spanned from a primitive age of souls that were like modern humans, until cities grewThe archangels were beings that came into existence on their own about a million years after Lucifer created the old place, and were generally evil and wanted to rule souls/people on their own termsThis realm, the Old Place, Vinia, is what the art of Gustave Dore's Paradise Lost depicts, such as Lucifer falling to Earth after The WarI can give a variety of details or more history if anyone asksIt's possible your book was in some way from there, as the archangels often cursed books
>>41774403The Old Place, where is it located now?Michael on Earth now or what?How did Lucifer lose?What is The Creator's role in all this? What is YHWH's role? And was The Father of Angels aware of the war between his sons?
>>41774423The Old Place still exists, just separate from this universe and all the worlds connected within itI not sure about Michael's whereabouts now, but I do know Lucifer killed him in their final battle, and he most likely reincarnated as other angels were said to doAs far as I know, Lucifer never lost without reviving as he did because of immortality, and being sent to hell by the people governing Vinia so many times, but chose to leave that world and create a new one, which was the precursor to this universe, and another god created this universe over and through what Lucifer had createdWhether you consider that to be YHWH or not, I don't know, and I don't know how that god came into existence as the Old Place predated our universe The rebellion in heaven most likely happened in this universe, and may be when Lucifer lost
>>41774460>The Old Place still exists, just separate from this universe and all the worlds connected within itSo because this place seems to be Infinite, do you not believe in other Universes?>I not sure about Michael's whereabouts now, but I do know Lucifer killed him in their final battle, and he most likely reincarnated as other angels were said to doKilled him? So angels are like humans?>As far as I know, Lucifer never lost without reviving as he did because of immortality, and being sent to hell by the people governing Vinia so many times, but chose to leave that world and create a new one, which was the precursor to this universe, and another god created this universe over and through what Lucifer had createdRecycled?>Whether you consider that to be YHWH or not, I don't know, and I don't know how that god came into existence as the Old Place predated our universeIdk, I'm just a nobody.>The rebellion in heaven most likely happened in this universe, and may be when Lucifer lostSo the war was fought for Land in the Universe?
>>41774356Bible of course does. Angels are messengers of the Lord. You could be one someday, if He calls on you. You’ve probably met angels in your life. You might’ve had dinner with one before. They’re not spooky or supernatural, they don’t have wings or breathe fire, they’re mostly just people who are doing God’s work, delivering a message. Sometimes they’re people who’ve died, and that’s when you can easily notice, they come in their glorified form sent down from Heaven just for a bit, still just to deliver a message. Sometimes it’s Jesus Christ himself coming to deliver a message, who acting in that role is the “Angel of the LORD.”
>>41774217The nine choirs of angels are a traditional hierarchical structure of angelic beings derived from Christian theology and Scripture. According to Pope Saint Gregory the Great, based on Saint Paul’s writings, there are nine orders of angels: Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, Virtues, Archangels, and Angels. This classification is supported by references in the Bible, such as Saint Paul’s letters to the Ephesians and Colossians, which mention four of the orders, while the Prophets refer to Cherubim and Seraphim.The nine choirs are traditionally grouped into three spheres based on their proximity to God and their assigned duties. The highest sphere, closest to God, includes the Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones, who contemplate God directly and reflect His love, wisdom, and judgment. The second sphere, the middle proximity, consists of the Dominions, Virtues, and Powers, who govern the cosmos, mediate divine power, and protect creation from hostile forces. The third sphere, closest to creation, includes the Principalities, Archangels, and Angels, who are involved in guiding nations, delivering messages, and assisting humanity directly.
>>41774816The Seraphim are described as the most fervent in love, symbolizing divine love and often depicted with six wings, burning with the fire of God’s love. The Cherubim are associated with profound wisdom and knowledge of divine secrets, symbolizing God’s omniscience. The Thrones represent God’s authority and stability, particularly in divine judgment and mercy. The Dominions oversee the governance of the universe and the administration of divine will. The Virtues are linked with miraculous power over physical elements, while the Powers protect the laws of creation from evil forces. The Principalities are believed to guard nations and the Church’s spiritual structure, the Archangels serve as messengers and protectors of significant religious and political figures, and the Angels are the most directly involved with human beings, including personal guardian angels.This hierarchical structure was systematized by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite in the 5th century and later elaborated by St. Thomas Aquinas, who emphasized that the angels are purely intellectual beings whose classification is based on their intelligence and role in God’s plan. Although the hierarchy is not a matter of dogma, it serves as a spiritual tool to help believers understand divine order and holiness. The Chaplet of St. Michael the Archangel, approved by Pope Pius IX in 1851, includes nine salutations to each of the nine choirs, seeking their intercession and protection.
>>41774403>>41774460hmmhttps://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36129455/#q36129455
>>41774816>>41774824Catholics are wrong about a LOT of things. All this extra-Biblical accretion from centuries of Talmudic-style ramblings is why Catholicism today looks nothing like the Christianity of the Bible. No, some rich guy in a silly hat doesn’t override Scripture with his own “because I said so.”>Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Proverbs 30:6
>>41774852What does this mean in relation to what he said?
>>41773475I'm an angry man. As an angry man, I can tell you there's well enough books on sngels already
