>>41774538
1>in an age of war only cowards can live to a long life and reach an old age and that is dishonorable so why the fuck would they get to live in valhall , and sick people are weak and useless so again not worthy of it.
2>why would they , they're there to put men to test their will and their worthiness not make it a field day lovey dovey faggot shit.
3>Oaths are made to be kept when given to people you respect and care not your enemies and those beneath you
4>yes and thats how the existence / reality has/is/will operate forever

now go dilate

>>41774538
>odinism
It's almost as if trying to make an -ism school of thought out of a bunch of myths from a culture that doesn't exist anymore doesn't work out.
At least with greek mythos you can frame them in a neoplatonic system with morals

10 years in paganism and never heard of your gay reddit post but points 3 and 4 implicitly reveal it‘s somebody practicing universalism i.e. they didn‘t have a fucking clue what they were looking for in a folk religion.

>thinking that some gay redditor has BTFO'd anything
lol. lmao, even.

all these deities are just archons prodding humanity to create loosh

>war war war
>suffer suffer suffer
>lust lust lust
>murder murder murder
>abuse abuse abuse

christianity is worse in this regard because they perfected narcissist doublethink

1- Helheim is not a realm of punishment but a realm of death, a place of rest (hugr is always awake while alive even in rest that is why you traverse the realm of dream/idea when your hamr rests). The Helthing at your time of death judges not just your deeds but your growth or degeneration as a soul, which deems if you should be capable of returning in your bloodline after your rest in Helheim or if you require a punishing trial to prove whether or not you should deserve it based upon your spiritual crimes and if you are a predator of your fellow man. The After is not dichotomous reward/punishment like in Abrahamics and Zoroastrians, its a cycle like the seasons.

2- Fate is not something you can fight but something you come to terms with and suffer to grow as an individual, to become better. Baldr was fated to die, Frigga attempted to change that fate, but even the fate of a God of Joy and Happiness and Light is immutable. Love what you have and strive to be the best you can be for you and your family and your people because squandering whatever fate has in store for you by fearing it will only hasten the inevitable.

3- Oaths sworn are oaths kept. And even the Gods are fallible, they were men once, and many were our ancestors. You must strive to be the best version of yourself, but must not hate yourself when you stumble because no one is perfect, but that does not mean that you are irredeemably horrid, but that you must learn from your weaknesses and learn from the example of the paragons on your path.

4- Same as 3. But extrapolating, you look up to your ancestors, venerate your grandfather and grandmother, thank them for the strengths and skills they gave you, twll their stories after they're gone and try to emulate them by wondering what they would do in your shoes. The Aesir and the Vanir and Jotun like Skadi are to be emulated and respected. You should not pray to your great grandfather for help but thank him for the example he set for you.

>>41774538
>Is it just because they are big and strong?
Try arguing the problem of evil with a monotheist and they will eventually default to this as well (Muslims do a more convincing version btw). Everyone who worships deities does so because they believe the deity has power. Goodness was always secondary.

Lots of seething chuds itt

>>41775579
They are ableist af bruh

>>41774538
>OP is a shobbos goy who loves YHVH the foreskin loving god.
Also this:>>41774883

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>>41774538
What is there to refute? Gods are gods and do what they will.

Is this actually some christcuck seethe thread?

>>41774538
christkike talking after bagholding for 2000+ years lmao

>>41774538
>christfag so desperate that he brings up some rando's reddit post from almost a decade ago and acts like it's a W

>>41774928
Not pissing on what you said in general, but this part baffles me:

>Fate is not something you can fight
Okay, for the sake of argument, let's just accept this premise.

>strive to be the best you can be
Or not. Because it might be my fate not to, right?

>squandering whatever fate has in store for you
Should be literally impossible. You just said you can't fight fate.

What am I missing? Serious question.

>>41777622
Very valid questions, the topic of fate and destiny is difficult to articulate properly beyond 'trust me bro, its just a feeling'. I personally believe that the matters of fate are vibrational anchors of the individuals frequency, not preordained script written out as a book of life. Certain 'tuning fork' aspects and moments and locations that your hugr/spirit/aenima are magnetically attracted to in differential variables. I can't give you a precise answer beyond that because I am walking this path as well, but I like to believe that we are meant to struggle towards perfecting ourselves into the most virtuous and righteous and capable version of ourselves in order to protect our lineage and bloodline. The anchor points of fate are what we flow toward, like how an apple seed is fated to be an apple tree, it is fate that it will fall from the branch, but will it be eaten or rot? Will the seed take root? Is that within the seeds will to do it, no it can't fight the inevitable. Men are not seeds so the example is more of a meditative thought experiment. Again this is personal belief and is based upon the belief that life is cyclical and seasonal, that you will return after your season of death as a new bud on the tree in your lineage you leave. But I think virtue should be striven for virtues sake rather than fear of punishment or reward or given up entirely. We're gonna die anyway, why keep living? This may not be the answer you wanted, but it is the one I have for you.

>>41774694
>in an age of war only cowards can live to a long life and reach an old age
The vast majority of Norsemen during the Viking age were craftsmen or farmers who would have never gone viking, pop culture is not history.

>>41776612
Guess the pagan gods willed themselves into irrelevance then lmao

>>41777979
both categories would take on arms and fight to protect their villages/settlements and dying in those fights would give them automatic entry to valhalla you dumb nigger just because their main profession was not that of a bloodthirsty raider it doesn't mean they never saw or took part in wars and you have the gall to talk about pop culture kek

>>41778302
Protect their villages from whom? Scandinavia wasn't invaded, it wasn't subject to raiding, inter-tribal conflict was relatively rare, with the focus always being outward. Very few of them would have ever held a sword in anger.
>and you have the gall
Oh dear, I think she's upset.

>>41777949
>I like to believe that we are meant to struggle towards perfecting ourselves into the most virtuous and righteous and capable version of ourselves
Absolutely agree!

>in order to protect our lineage and bloodline
Respectfully agree to disagree on this one. I do not believe our eternal souls are tied to any one particular ethnicity, gender, whatever. That is entirely physical. The Divine spark within each of us as an extension of what some may call God and we are all born with that same thing. I'm sure that probably contradicts what you believe and I'm not going to challenge that but just as you believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.

>your general belief about fate
And again, I think we more or less agree on this as well. Your initial volley made it seem that fate was far more immutable and heavy-handed than your elaboration. I also believe that we are given a general script and/or we write our own script "before" we are born (or technically outside of time and space so there's no before or after) and that as a general rule we are directed to adhere to it for certain educational purposes but in some lives and in some experiences, we can choose to radically deviate from it. I feel like I may have done that about 8 years ago and my life has been the better for it. Then again, maybe that dramatic life change was part of my fate/script/destiny and I was just fulfilling it because it was part of why I'm here. Who knows? That's kind of the fun of it isn't it though?
Interesting to note, if I hadn't made that dramatic life change, I wouldn't have a bloodline to carry on. Real noodle-baker there!
Regardless, thank you for taking my inquiry seriously and answering respectfully. Go in peace!

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>>41774538
>le lack of morals
Good. I don't need a religion to tell me to be nice. Growing up and living in a society saturated with nagging Christian moralism (which includes liberalism which is just decayed Christianity) has made me pretty fucking sick of being lectured to about morality. Moralistic religions are for little babies that need to be told what to do. Granted most people are and will always be babies, but I'm not so I don't need it. And if you look at the world objectively, if it is administered by gods, they are OBVIOUSLY flawed. Any religion with a perfect god is just lying.
The only good point he makes is about the afterlife. It may not be perfect, but it's less retarded than eternal heaven/hell. And If Christianity didn't lead western civilization down the dark and miserable path it's been on for 1600 years, paganism would have mixed with Buddhism like it did everywhere else and we'd actually have something with useful teachings about how to handle the afterlife.

>>41774538
1. Hel isn’t that bad, it’s not a place of eternal suffering like the Christian hell. It’s described as a sort of middle place for people who lived ordinary lives. It is devoid of heat and passion just like the lives they lived and so the souls in hel should actually be very comfortable there.
2. The gods basically did try to “do something” about the Norns considering their leaders were jotun. They were essentially mortal enemies. It’s hard to say if the Norns were always aligned agains the gods or if they were a group that arose in response to Odins wars on to jotun. Either way it’s naive to say the gods didn’t do anything about it or were unconcerned.
3. There is no central morality it’s a warriors religion. Oaths are only worth the honor of the person it’s promised to. What worth is an oath to a wolf? What worth is an oath that prevents you from fighting and winning a noble battle?
4. Gods are like humans because humans created gods. Jesus acted like a childish fool when he cursed the fig tree, the Buddha was unenlightened for years. God does tons of obnoxious selfish childish shit in the Old Testament era. This characterization of the gods doesn’t mean they don’t deserve worship. That’s a very aethestic argument.

>>41778368
>inter-tribal conflict was relatively rare
i see you're one of those troons that live in their own bubble kek

>>41774538
>bible says that El created YHWH to rule over Israel and Judah
>christians think all deities made for other peoples' are fake including their own people
>christians instead worship YHWH who was never meant to rule over them

According to the bible people should be worshiping their own culture's respective deity as those deities were inferred to be created by El.

>>41779080
Thank you for the discourse and the mutual respect of idea. We all walk a path towards the truth and our paths intertwine along the way, I like to call it the path of the einherjar myself, and I have a focus on the ancestral lineage based upon the Ynglinga Saga (Oðinn as a man in ancient times immemorial and the kings of sweden tracing their bloodline to Yngvi-freyr before they achieved apotheosis to godhood) as well as continuing to learn and seek the knowledge of the nature of our being within ourselves and our reality. So I don't think that I could truly call myself Asatru of Odinist or anything but an Ancestral Revererancer.
I think our belief structures align well and are both seeking what the truth is that is waiting for us further down the path. Children are a blessing on this world and being an attentive parent is a joy that only another would understand, and watching them grow and learn and show innate capability towards certain interests and skills formed the belief in a lineage locked returning ancestral spirit/avatar. We may disagree on that but no one needs to be forced to agree on which path we take on the journey, and those disagreements can foment discussion and realization of different angles never asked or answered personally.
Congratulations to you on continuing the unbroken chain of your bloodline and may you be blessed with ancestral enlightenment and great luck.

>>41780066
>In the end, all these things were transcribed by man as dictated by so called experience or oration by said elevated being. Take it like any source of religion and spirituality with a grain of salt.
Hmm no I think i'll assume that religion is always a system of metaphysical rules and good boy points.

>>41774538
https://voca.ro/1i6RklivOwrF

>>41774538
Who gives a shit about this?
Actual people, not Christians I mean

>>41780057
Thank you for weighing in, there are not enough who read the massive amount of historical literature, let alone philosophise and meditate on the theology of it. On Valhall and Sessrúmnir, they don't know either that the queen of the valkyries gets first choice of the honored slain over the All-Father.
The return to ancestral heritage is growing and the Abrahamics are afraid of the Awakening. Their cult of Surtr demands they pledge their being to the devourer y'weh to eliminate the amount of glorious dead that will stand against them at the ragnarok of this great season. I may be in the fringe that believes in what could be deemed a heresy of Norse faith, but I was raised in it and given the tools and inspiration for pursuing this path by my grandfather.

Good life and luck brother

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>>41774538
Because it's all parable and not supposed to be taken literally, same as any other spirituality. It's encoded knowledge & guidance, meant to be contemplated and unpacked while gazing into nature or a fire, retards get filtered by taking it as literal events.

The old gods are not like the christian 'god', they are more human, fallible, imperfect, representations of our aspects and emotions taken to extremes. Relationships with them are supposed to be personal, with worship based on mutual respect. You WORK with them, not blindly follow like sheep, and the stories teach you to always hold that firegap of distrust for all beings, to not expect anyone to save or resolve things for you.

It's stupid, but Conan captures the idea well:
"Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to hell with you!"

>>41779562
Thank you for your blessings and many blessings upon you as well. You know it occurs to me, while I do not believe bloodline a requirement for reincarnation, there are certainly no restriction against it. I laugh at myself now for not remembering this during my earlier posts, but I do believe that there is a slight possibility that my son could be my father come back, as well as I could be my father's father come back. But hey it's just what's in my heart, nothing I can back up. Sometime recently, my son said something that made me curious. I forget what, but I did ask him this question: "Do you feel like you used to be somebody else, or have you always just been you?"
He said, "I've always just been me."
So regardless, he is still my favorite person in the world and the center of my universe. Sounds to me like you get it.

>>41780306
I had a very similar response from my oldest, 'I have always been me' and she proceeded to explain in great detail her great great grandmother's childhood as her own. Through DNA structure of electromagnetic receptors and the crystalline gel state of water within us acting as our source of long term memory we are not only us but genetically everyone that came before us. And they are you as well, a distillation of an unbroken chain of men and women back to beginning of the yawning void. So I was inclined to believe that 'I have always been me' was quite a complex answer in its simplicity.

The nature of the soul is one of the oldest questions, and who is to say that one could not shift their spirit into animal? Or a branch off of your family tree that is so far removed it is hardly remembered to be connected? It is more complex than the bilateral body/spirit of the Abrahamics. The creation of Ask and Embla stated that Oðinn, Hœnir and Lóðurr breathed Oðr, Hugr, and Wyrd into Mankind which is animus, logic, and passion as a tl,dr explanation. So until we find those answers for ourselves we can keep looking and meditating for them.

>>41780269

Hell yeah, Conan isn't stupid, the books have him as very intelligent and complex in his simplicity and contentment.

>>41774538
Fuck off, kid.

>>41780436
Thank you for the correction sister, you are correct and your wisdom is deep. We may only disagree on interpretations pertaining to interpretations of enlightenments personally attained unique to one another. A unification of realms would be ideal, a return to balance, if ragnarok could be avoided that would be an outcome all could celebrate. The extremes of both exclusionary hatred and inclusionary ignorance is equally damaging. Text in a constrained format makes expounding the extent of a person's full belief system difficult to accurately convey, but I do hope that we are not as opposed as it may seem. My heresy is constrained to viewing the gods as in our blood and our capability to achieve apotheosis through refining our virtue through returning within our bloodline to not only defend it, but to defend all of Yggdrasil and cultivate it and our realm. What needs to happen during this awakening is repairing the divine feminine and masculine, not just focus on the fathers but the mothers equally. Creation is only achieved through the unity of both.
The enemy of Yggdrasil I think is an external intelligence that is linked with the blood covenant made by the abrahamics, and that it may be trapped here in our realm trying to achieve dominance over its prison and jailors by making the natural inhabitants of the realm believe this is our prison instead and give up our ancestral spirit well and cyclical return for the promise of an external savior and rewards and punishments when in reality it devours them.
Again, I truly hope we are not enemies. May Skaði aid your pursuit of truth, and may your Hamingja be indomitable.

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>>41774538
Hey wait a second, this is just a refutation of Christianity with Norse gods filling in the blanks!

>>41780645
The awakening is indeed social spiritual, which is the first step to initiate the uninitiated into the reality of the existance þursa and tantenessa, the dangers of obsession turning to drauhgr, the truth of the size and make up of the realm and the thin places of the Alfr. I may be born to Vinland but it is by Danish/North German and proud Norse-Gael stock. The ancestral ways skipped my parents and were passed to me by my grandfather and uncle at a very young age. Vili and Vé were Hœnir and Lóðurr to me, and phrased as other names for Yngvi Alfkonnig and Loki Lafeuyson, a brotherhood of Æsir, Vanir and Jötnar to gift man with their unique heritage of aspects of spirit. That those of Midgard were to be a Unity of the aether, material and wilds. An animal cursed with the gift of consciousness to be the curators of the web of wyrd that flows from the axis point of yggdrasil. Also framed to me as a unification of the Norse-Germanic Scandza as Æsir to the Celt-Hibernian Vanir as well as the natural beings of Jötnar. I may not attend the blots with the Asatru folk, because they do not hold the 9 virtues, I hold my own to keep the veneration of our ancestors and gods of not only Asgard, but Vanaheim, Jotunheim and Helheim alive in my children who grow up with the totems i carve myself for them. I am heresy to the folk because the folk here are mainly larpers who do not understand it as nothing more than History channel atheism with cosplay. The Ynglinga Saga states the bloodline of Oðinn lives in the seats of Denmark and at Uppsala within the blood of the great Jarls. Harald Fairhair was Yngling as well as first king of Norway (i am not assuming you do not know that, only stating) and the blood of Yngvi-Freyr flowed in him. I do not purport that all have the blood of Gods running in them but many do, and it does not take the blood of Gods to achieve apotheosis through great deeds and virtuous lifestyle.
The wordcountis a constant threat to this board.

>>41780770
My word vomit may read defensively combatative but that was not meant to be the case. I ran maximum count and needed to prune to as direct as possible. I thank you for the continued discussion.

>>41777558
People making fun of us for it is something JesusQ predicted.

>>41781586
Maybe the reason Jesus showed up to the lands of Canaan as a messiah for the Jew and a savior of the Jew and tried to break the blood covenant to El/Baal/Molok/YHVH and return them to a nature reverence out in creation rather than the synagogues and temples and framed it in a relatable way for the people of the region to grasp while not naming the source of creation, was because they needed that help while we did not. When a culture has been holding deception and materialism and stringent dogmatic ritual while having an inflated sense of superiority and hatred for every other culture throughout time, maybe they needed an olive branch to attempt to forgive them and return them to the belief that we are all children of our realm of reality and that inside us flows the power of the Pantokrator and that we should not trust the things that are alien and from outside the system.
Maybe he didn't want to create a new abrahamic branch but sever that and the pharisee Saul/Paul saw an opportunity to turn that olive branch into a weapon and reverse it on those that did not require it in the first place because our ancestors already had a system of virtues and morals and did not require an external judge to meter our morality since our ancestors already gave us the capability to judge our own actions and the majority were not aberrations and beasts in man-skin.

>>41774538
Cool. Still not gonna worship your jew demon.

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>>41774538
Odin never asks for your foreskin


>Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Gensis 17:9

>>41774538
>they seem to be just humans, why are they worthy of worship?
>is it because they are just big and strong?
congrats, you just described paganism
this is why it died out, it has no actual philosophy to speak of other than just emulating archetypes