>read average "magic" book>see Table of Contents>"tarot"> -_- (my genuine reaction)>ok whatever... maybe there's still something of value>"beginner magic">ok let's check this out>"initiation ritual: rub the amazonian turtle semen oil all over your naked body next to a river and then wear a black robe and stare at this doodle i made for 3 hours in the middle of the night in a full moon">...>skip ahead to the supposed "practical" magic chapter>"note: this will not work unless you do the initiation ritual first">stop reading book
>>41780400none of that happened
>>41780428it did tho
>>41780400Maybe it would have worked if you sprinkled the turtle semen and looked at the doodle. Have you ever considered that?>T. Turtomancer
>>41780400Chapman's beginner magick is a good introduction, it's all about keeping a journal, doing wank magic and your own sigils
>>41780455not worth it desu, maybe if it was frog semen...
>read medieval magic guide>you can make a magic mirror by yadda yadda yadda>wow that sounds complicated. maybe it will work!>also if you wear topaz around your neck you'll become invisiblle and burn people's dicks off.
>>41780470>keeping a journal>doing wanki do that a lot, ok i'll check it out thx!picrel right?
>>41780501
>>41780520yes
>>41780581ok i'll report back when picrel is my gf
Nigger learn incantation
>>41780672how do i learn incantation?
>>41780470These days he calls that book a load of crap.
>>41780400Anon you have already done the most powerful ritual ever conceived.
>>41780691You don't "learn" that. You just create your spells and use them. The ones that get you an effect you keep. The ones that not you modify/discard.If you need a blueprint on "how to create spells" read Psalms.
>>41780400>amazonian turtle semen oilThe fuck book is this?>>41780470>>41780520>>41780581Huh. I don't remember "wank magic," but I do agree that this is a good place to start.I should read through it again, actually.>>41780666I assume you already know her, because otherwise it's gonna be an uphill battle even with magic.>>41780672>>41780691Incantation isn't something you "learn," unless you're an infant. Incantations are verbal spells.>>41781068I don't know if I'd start someone on Psalms if they're learning to create spells from nothing. Maybe if they're learning to make spells out of Psalms.
>>41780400>>41780501I miss when magic was something like this and not 'meditate for two hours a day while imagining a turtle and you may encounter a turtle'
>>41781288>I assume you already know herof course, she's my cousin
>>41782405Cousins are always awesome, as if the world wanted to troll us: "Hey look, your cousin is awesome and she looks gorgeous. And she seems to like you a lot, doesn't she? Well, too bad, you can't date her because she's your cousin, ahahah!!!"
>>41780400Stop reading the shittiest of books then. Lurk moar, plenty of better shit if you'd spend a fucking few minutes to look around for it. Fuck, there was even a good copypasta or two recommending passably alright books for the beginner. But nooo, easier to go for the shittiest new age drivel and then complain to /x/. That's how you get nowhere.>>41781421There's still plenty of fantasy novels for you to read. It's no one's fault that magic actually doing shit is often underwhelming compared to pop culture fiction, bothersome, boring stuff requiring plenty of prior practice and self-refinement (usually also involving boring, bothersome stuff like meditation).
>>41780843Link to opinion of his and the reason for it? I wonder what changed and why he thinks so. I mean, it's kinda still new age influenced but it's ALSO one of the better beginner books still.
>>41780449ok what was the name of the book then
>>41782471Can i get those copypasta with the recommendations?
>>41782874I don't have it on this PC, but what I remember off the top of my head was:Chapman's Advanced Magick for Beginners is alright in that it gives you a tiny bit about various concepts, Liber Null and Psychonaut is controversial wank stuff but teaches importance of different layers of your consciousness and belief, Steiner's Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its Attainment teaches a lot about importance of self-refinement and adjusting your goals (one of the biggest reason why new occultists never get absolutely anywhere is because they approach magic as cheat codes to get stuff to satisfy their ego, rather than a side-effect of the result of their spiritual self-refinement). I think there was something about qigong for health too? Or was it something else? Either way, that can be useful too, Yang Jwing-Ming's The Root of Chinese Qigong and following works are good, if a bit hard to get into.Aside from that I would privately recommend to skim through Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce, Kybalion and maybe Israel Regardie's work - there may or may not be some bullshit there, but overall they're good for comparison and contrast in different approaches, though mostly from the standpoint of western occultism.
>"magic ritual">it involves cloaks and unprotected butt fucking
real magik books will tell you stuff like the proper way to take from graves without angering the dead
>>41780400>nonsense ritualsyou forgot:>"magic" book that's just philosophy or psychology>wish really hard something will happen/gaslight yourself>incoherent schizobabble>random stretches or exercises that are supposed to be energy work but don't make any sense
>>41783544>thinking that psychology and philosophy, changing outlook and categories in which you perceive reality is not absolutely vital for the psychobabble to make sense and then make you understand how to do the random stretches so they actually mean shitI swear, some of the people most cocksure they already have it all figured out tend to be the least likely to ever get anywhere
>>41780400Whats the book ? I want to do the turtle semen ritual.
>>41780843It doesn't surprise me. He's pretty much against magic sikret clubs there but I saw that he joined some groups later that make money through membership so he would have to diss the book.Still, I think it's a good introduction, for a novice, and he's not a novice anymore
>>41783657This.What most beginning adepts sooner or later realize and what random wannabe wizards on the internet never get, thus dooming their chance at any success with magic is that it's not something you do, it's an aspect of who you are. All the practices that you indeed do aren't direct mechanisms of working magics but tools of steering you, your consciousness and perceptions - in direction that would be conductive to developing and expressing that part of yourself. Like a sense of aesthetics or piety, something coming from your soul rather than a skill grown by rote alone. Sure, you can emulate some of it through hard training and mental tricks but in the end it still will be expression of what and who you you are. It's kinda bullshit but then it also kinda makes sense that a purely spiritual discipline is unlike those on physical level of existence.Another thing is that it's not like some pop-culture fantasy RPG stuff with particular rules of spellcasting either. Both how it work, what you can do it and restrictions of it are unlike well-structured model of progressively growing power. To appeal to people thinking in such terms: some of the D&D bullshit cantrips would be impossible for any but some theoretically existing (never met one of such calibre and knew it) master, while at the same time every honest practitioner has a very tenuous and shitty, but still a grasp on Wish.That's why it's more likely than you think that philosophy, psychology, "psychobabble" and so on will get you further than even the most secret occult rituals done without understanding of meaning and symbolism behind each step and both spiritual and mental faculties needed to not only grasp but internalize such.
>>41784023It dashes hopes of anons who think they don't have to change anything and be just immature, petty, self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole and still have a chance at it but explains well why most people who look for magic wanting to use it to get/do things for their own profit (be it material or social) never get far while various saints, mystics etc seem to get it by accident. Would also explain why there's no mages who are motivated by riches and status yet at the same time with skills worth a damn coming out and "proving" magic to random folks.
Can I give you guys a hand when it comes to these "magical books"?The vast majority of the people who know about them do not perform their contents. Those that do are nearly all LARPing.If your "magic" does not involve a physiological effect of some kind, you're not doing le "magic".
>>41784023It's really very easy to break this all down for everyone:The ancients used to have families that centered around the practice of Magic and we'd commonly call them Soothsayers, Seers, Augers, Oracles and more. They didn't just perform Divinations though, they were also responsible for Poetry (which you'll find is literally what "Magic" is) and containing vast amounts of knowledge.>change your mental outlook and then you'll be able to get itDid you know the responsible parties were famously always called "schizos" or whatever their stand in was? Some of the designations or titles literally referred to "the guy that babbles". These people were regularly misunderstood and it was part of their identity. In loads of cases, they were kept at the edge of town and such. The trope in movies really isn't some fabrication.>it's an aspect of who you areYeah, you mean Genetics. The word you're looking for is Genetics, anon. We're talking about Genetics here. Isn't it obvious?>WishThis is not a healthy perspective. Any normalfag cannot one day just make reality do different stuff on a whim. This sort of thing takes either enormous, basically anime-tier dedication (virtually no one has this capacity and exceptions necessarily prove the rule) or the right genetic makeup. There's no real middle ground here. In fact, every time someone does concoct some exception, they become the latter anyway, making an actual Bloodline.I think the issue is not understanding Genetics and Consciousness well enough though. The way I see it, this isn't much of an issue like most people tend to make it out to be. Most of us come from powerful bloodlines. Then again, that's the whole point here.>"psychobabble">>41784084Distinctly anathema to reality. The Fool is literally the most powerful card. Being immature, petty, self-absorbed and a narcissistic asshole is literally how Wish works, brainlet.
>>41780400Title and author?>whole postI know you made all of this up because I have read books about magick for beginners. It's nothing like that. So yeah, try again if you're going to lie/make stuff up/etc.
>>41784195No, OP is firmly correct. Almost all of the grimoire tradition is LARPing bullshit and they all know it. Every single time some actual person comes along and does something novel, a whole new system is built around t
>>41780400>rub the amazonian turtle semen oil all over your naked body next to a river and then wear a black robe and stare at this doodle i made for 3 hours in the middle of the night in a full moon"This is mostly true.
>>41784201I honestly don't care, but I do think gatekeeping can be done better.
>>41784201cont:...a whole new system is built around them and we build a new Religion out of it. Do you know how many times this has happened? This is what a "Cult" really is, some guy doing actual "Magic" and people realizing it and then putting all their marbles in his basket, fueling his "Magic".Did you guys not know using other peoples' consciousness is how you make a Magic go?
