I feel a calling to it, but I'm kind of scared. Anybody tried it? What was it like? The physical experience, the emotional, the visions/visuals? Is it like LSD? Is it like a vivid dream? To be honest I had a very intense experience on my first LSD trip, one could qualify it as a bad trip but I emerged strong from it. I also had a premonition during it. I'm so curious what I would experience on AyaAlso, the part that scares me most is the setting. As a europoor I could only rely on organized "ceremonies" which means other participants, setting that isn't within my control, music that does not resonate with me, having to speak about it afterwards and I dont wanna since I'm private and introverted etc. Also the puking and shitting.
>>41781183Ayahuasca is way too powerful. It wasn't even meant to be used by commoners. Only for very specific shamans/healers.
>>41781198I approach it with much deference. While I'm not a shaman or healer, I am a seeke and my heart and mind are open.
If you feel called to it then it's probably for a reason however I would suggest starting out with DMT because Ayahuasca as the other commoner stated is very strong meaning like people go to the rainforest and try it out but to do it lasts like a day if not more or almost all day unless from very many hours at best is what I've heard and this all kinds of things aside from hallucinations like vomiting/dry heaving and all kinds of things but DMT is the like extract of that just so you can sort of get a very intense hallucination without all the other stuff and if you're willing to further delve into that, THEN I'd try Ayahuasca. It's also much harder to get and I imagine it to be something like God grabbing ya at times during your LSD trip. So it is more advanced than just hallucinating and DMT hallucinations/visuals are VERY strong...
>>41781316I would definitely start like that, but the organisation I found only offers short Bufo/DMT sessions as something extra, along with the 2-3 nights of Aya that are part of the retreats. Not sure why you wouldn't want to take my money and give me something less, but what can I say. I'm kind of scared of the long Aya weekend as a beginner. My expectation is that I will die, one way or the other (hopefully not literally but it is what it is)
>>41781337I guess I mentioned DMT because I know a few psychedelic sellers gave a lil bit to my lil bro who shared some with me a while back but like, if you don't I wouldn't discourage ya mainly because I've thought and felt similar to what you wrote in parentheses like ego death etc. God bless you fellow traveler...
>>41781337https://youtu.be/be9MYUulUHMYou're falling for charlatans. There's only one way to do Ayahuasca. Save money and go to the Amazons for at least a couple of months to live with a remote indigenous tribe.
>>41781467Why are they charlatans? Just because they're not from/doing it in the Amazons? Not everybody affords or is able to travel there to become a jungle hobo
>>41781467Lol you can do drugs anywhere faggot
I'm from Colombia.Have done it a couple of times. Last time was before the pandemic. It really helped me. I've only done it with indigenous community's who live in the Amazon rainforest.Please, if you are offered Ayahuasca (yage) in Europe/Us DONT FUCKING TRY IT!!!Most likely it is Borrachero (Brugmania Arborea). That shit can make you crazy and in the worst case blind!!!Besides, if you get the real thing it will be diluted and you get old nasty brew that will not give you te full effect of the plant.
>>41781183Supposedly it makes you puke and shit like mad.
>>41785616And that's a good thing!But really, yeah, I wish there was something you could do or avoid to minimize it
>>41781183>What was it like?the most close you can get to colourful schizophrenia>g. As a europoor I could only rely on organized "ceremonies" FAAALSEyou can order the DMT bark to extract and beta-carbolines to your apartment. I have enough ayahausca to dose 100 people for pennies. But the experience is so batshit insane I didn't do it for the last 3 years.Do not give money to retreats
>>41785616didn't make me shit but the nausea is there similar to the worst hangover
>>41786096I thought about that but I don't know how to properly extract. What if I poison myself? And yes, I did watch a few videos on how to extract at home but I'm a retarded. A retard can only understand so much
>>41786305yeah you have to manipulate lye at some point but if you are not retarded and have some gloves it is safemaking a cake is more difficult than extracting DMTnow I do not insist on doing it of course, the experience can be the definition of traumatic
So I guess no schizo here went through an aya experience who would want to tell us all about it?
>>41786939delirium, paranoia, crying, catharsis, nausea, pretty colors, that's about it
It is medicine, but unlike smoking DMT, you are working with a benevolent entity. Yes, it can be scary, but you can always ask her to go easy on you your first time. She basically goes into the subconscious and starts opening boxes of things you haven't fully dealt with, then gives you an opportunity to deal with them in the most intimate, vibrant, and intense way you could imagine. What you pray for, you will get. And while you can go easy into it to begin, eventually you'll be shown things that will challenge you like you haven't ever before. It's not for everyone, but if you feel called, go.Be open, be in your heart, and be reverent. Whatever you experience, no matter how intense or heard to accept, you'll come out the other side better for it. Just breath and stay open.
>>41787071Why do you say that smoking DMT is more difficult, or does not feel as benevolent?Also, what if I'm totally honest and transparent with myself? Enough that nothing new can be shown or revealed to me. If at all, I would prefer some nice lie that would lift my spirit up because I beat myself all the time. I do hope the plant won't just act out the beatings I give myself until I feel self-pity and supposedly makes me wanna give up out of compassion towards myself, that won't work lol
>>41787356You can control the dose with DMT: it has different levels of effect so with something like a DMT cartridge it can feel as benign as a lungful of nitrous or as intense as a high yield salvia extract, depending on how much of it you consume. With ayahuasca you're basically at OD levels which linger within you for several hours
>just go be a hippy bro and eat grassThat's what all the psychedelics do and it's stupid
>>41781183Try DMT.It's not possible to describe the experience in human language, it is a totally different reality (not even a reality).For years I was tying to think of an analogy that would describe the experience but unable. Before I tried DMT, I read a lot of other people experiences about it and I thought I made a good starting mental image of it, but I was totally wrong. Why would anyone bother to describe a DMT trip? I have tried DMT 3 times. Last two times "I was told by the entities" that I have to stop trying and they won't let me get anywhere further.
>>41787502wow that sounds crazy I love it. Is it mostly visual? Or do you feel it in your body as well, as some sort of sensations? I always wonder, because for me LSD was very visual and but I also felt the intensity of it in my body especially when I would come to. I know they're magnitutes apart as experiences but this is my only reference
>>41787820The visuals of course are there, but it's not like they are the only main thing that makes the experience. It is like waking up in a different conscious state. Every futuristic, alien, ghostly, dimension, angles, demons, space etc. topics are nowhere near what the experience is.
>>41786096don't even need to order. There are at least 2 european plants I know of which can be used to extract dmt. google around a bit and you should find them, both are types of reeds
>>41781183Why not try shrooms first and only after that think about Aya? Do a few heroic doses before going after the mesoamerican 6d gods for answers
>>41781183Its literally poisonous making you puke and shit. It also opens a portal straight to hell. Think about that when you're sitting there with the weird shaman that, before christianity came, sacrificed humans.
>>41788381ah yes, the perfectly peaceful europoors that haven't been killing each other since Yamnaya spawn set foot on the continent>>41787935yeah but I don't know anyone that can easily extract from grass as you can from plant bark>>41788229yeah no, shrooms will give you a false sense of confidence if you do them before DMT. I did DMT first, and since using shrooms once or twice/year I haven't been using DMT at allwhat you idealy want is to do shrooms a few times and leave it at that without ayahuasca
>>41788470>yeah no, shrooms will give you a false sense of confidence if you do them before DMT. I did DMT first, and since using shrooms once or twice/year I haven't been using DMT at allwhat you idealy want is to do shrooms a few times and leave it at that without ayahuascaWhat is this? Where are you even getting this? Is this proprietary knowledge from the great beyond? Peruvian shaman seminar? Brunch after pilates? What the fuck are you talking about?To the lurkers: you reading this? You believe this guy?
>>41781183>Is it like LSD? Is it like a vivid dream?The time i tried, yeah it was like lsd but better. Not as forceful as acid, and after peaking i found i could navigate it easier. Like, if i had to go to the bathroom i could get out of it and attend the need and then come back to the trip at will. That was the best part, feeling like i could actually speak to it by modulating the intensity of the experience. Though i didnt really make any major breakthrough as you cant force those experiences, and i quit doing psychs and all so, that was my breakthrough: quitting. If you really, if the thing did its thing, if the medicine healed you, repeated use wont do good and may even be detrimental. Just look at all the hippie egomaniac fucks that the "scene" is infested with. Better take a religion and follow as serious as you can
>>41789721What are you about?all of these stuff can be described only in incomplete and incorrect metaphors so I will give you another oneShrooms are the visit to a party where everyone knows you and everyone loves youAyahuasca/pharmahuasca is a visit to the local prison where you might get beaten up before they let you go away
>>41788470what about LSD first? I think it might come closer to DMT than mushrooms, no?
>>41790439haven't tried acid
>>41790259>Shrooms are the visit to a party where everyone knows you and everyone loves youClearly you never had a bad trip on a heroic dose of shrooms, my friend
>>41790259Iboga is the final boss. Ayahuasca is the mini boss.
>>41790759I can't figure the differences between them. But then again, there are incredible differences in experience between users of the same thing. Depends on how open, sensitive, etc. you are. I split a tab of acid with a friend once and he barely had a brief visual while I was transported to another world and we basically took kind of the same dose
>>41781183You can have immersive visions while awake using meditative practice and some help from higher spirits beyond. Id advice to start without psychedelics and not follow an urge or sensation unless you know where that "calling" is from. Acting on impulses like that without knowing (discernment) the spirit who generates or tries to compell you is not wise. Spirits communicate by vibes and feelings and urges like that, it's their way of getting in your faces and telling you: go do this. Doesn't mean you have to follow it until you know "why" you should be doing it.
>>41790773Wise, but I kind of know why and I've always felt this urge for transformative experiences, the more "magical" or visionary the better. So maybe I got born with a naughty spirit attached to mein a few words, I'm a moth to the flame and it's about time I regret it
>>41781183I've made it before. No vomiting. No shitting. No loss of control. Instead I sat and listened to an old tree tell the story of how Man learned language, and how that gave man kinship with trees. You can prepare yourself for the experience by strengthening your mind and gut. Eat lots of different kinds of foods, especially spicy things. Work up to like 100k scoville tolerance. Do a fuckload of weed, and work to maintain your sobriety while you're high. The purpose is to train you to keep your head clear even under intense confusion, not to get high and have a good time.
>>41790769Ibogaine can kill you, last up to three days and it can show you stuff about your past lives.
>>41790743I was talking about the average/high shroom doseI overdosed on them too but that is not the topic about
>>41790816why the fuck spicy what has that got to do with it
>>41788381lol good point>>41788470Christianity originated outside Europe among non-Yamnaya descendants, but anyway "European history is exceptionally violent" is a jewbrainrot meme anyway.
>>41790984europeans are violent and violence is good. Europoors aren't as cruel as the aztecs or modern day cartel mexicans if you want to get to that point
>>41790937trains you to just deal with an upset gut. that way you won't puke or shit yourself like crazy when the ayahuasca tramples your intestines lel
>>41790259>Shrooms are the visit to a party where everyone knows you and everyone loves youLmao no they are not. You're full of it anon. You have the mark of the magician: the initiate inflation. Trying to box "shrooms" as one thing is like trying to box all people as humans and calling it a day. Any good initiate or adept to a practice continues beginner's mind. You are cultivating the bitterness of old age as though it were a wisdom. Maybe listen to the mushrooms more. At the very least process where they take you. It's a choice where you go after all.
>>41787820LSD is awesome. I've done a lot of it. No, DMT is not like LSD. LSD is like being in this world with extra sensory super powers, lots of energy, and a sense of the ALL THAT IS is alive for you in the world. DMT transports you somewhere... else, for lack of a better way of describing it. It's like being totally out of body spirited away and experiencing something quite different to human life. You meet entities who seem to know you there, and they interact with you in all kinds of crazy ways. The colors and geometries are beyond anything you can describe. The entire world is made of life. Sentient life. You can go anywhere and see all kinds of things. The first time I did it i was welcomed by the entities and shown a lot of amazing things that impacted me. The second time I did it, the entities didn't reveal themselves but just entertained me and placated me. Ultimately, I bought a gram and the experience was very meh. The things you meet there gatekeep in a sense.
>>41791339I concur, some people are snakes
>>41791339I said the metaphor was incorrect, you do you anonthe thread is mainly about ayahuasca, and shrooming will not prepare you for it. Or even worse, it will give you false expectations for it
>>41791344woah I can't wait to do aya. Lsd transported me as well, but I think I experienced the theatre of my own mind. I seeked entities but I only found loneliness. I understand why, because the travel was inward. I hope to experience other dimensions as well thank you for the details of your travel, it has given me hope
>>41787037Only a silly white person would want to go through this
>>41791339> At the very least process where they take you. It's a choice where you go after allto add to my previous comment, mushrooms took me or presented to me or for me always with something that can be described as beautywith aya, it is terrifying and difficult
Can you see your past lives or bits and pieces of your soul's history, even in a symbolic way? I figure you'd probably be force to forget it anyway
>>41792735Only heard of that happening on iboga which would be like starting on hell mode for a noobie.
what about living an entire life on ayahuasca or iboga or idk? That feels real and as long as a normal life maybe. i hope i envision a life amongst succubus or something
>>41794942You're interested in our schizo alternate life package I see... hmmm yes we have that in stock.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7xAq29J7Y
>>41794974I've met Ari a few times and he is a really great guy.
Not OP but a random lurker on this thread and I too was expecting more replies about actual experiences. Who would have known schizos here are not such daring psychonauts or soulnauts after all...
>>41795218Real wizards don't need drugs.Kill yourself "random lurker" also known as the reddit poster.
>>41795218anons didn't like my answerayahuasca is not mainstream and at times to complicated to make for the average normie, it is a very asocial experienceayahuasca retreats are a scam for trust fund kiddies I don't blame anons for not going to them>>41795261real wizards do try drugs and seek out dangerous or extreme mental states out of boredom
>>41795479I do like your answers but they are inconvenient>it is a very asocial experienceI agree, I never understood the 20 person retreat where everyone goes through extreme experienced and then are made to hug each other. This is a serious impediment for me but going to a retreat would be the only way I can get my hands on it>just fly to latin america broI would but I can't just fly that far away, it's complicated.I'm sure something good can come out of these retreats but I wish there were more private options in Europe especially since it is further away from the aya origins than the US is. I fucking hate that they shove the "transformational" aspect down your throat of having to step out of your comfort zone to suddenly become friendly, close to others, share your experience etc. when Aya is supposedly so personal and unique for everyone. Alas, beggars can't be choosers but fuck them, if I get a bad trip it's going to be on them for forcing me with 15 other persons in the room and making me listen to amazonian tribal chants instead of listening to music that actually resonates with me
>>41795479>real wizards do try drugs and seek out dangerous or extreme mental states out of boredomThat's drug user activity not wizard activity. You're a dude weed bro.
>>41795531>>41795261what exactly do real wizards do then? altered states of consciousness is an actual wizardly activity what are you on about moralfag
>>41795531how are you a real wizard? by just sulking alone in nature walks? give me a break I already do those in peace when searching for shrooms>>41795515music never worked with me when taking aya, I just ended up closing it. It becomes spacey, loopy. Also harmalas have a really weird effect where they distort sound and make it seem like people are speaking at 1.25X speed, same for music.Now music with shrooms was always a 10/10 experience without the distortions. It embelishes and amplifies the pelasure and tactility of it
>>41795515Are these plants specifically outlawed in your country? There are websites out there that will ship p viridis and b caapi to your door you know
