Where would you begin? What would you do? Who would you contact first? Curious what you fellow /x/-chizo would do or who you would seek out to help you understand if you had a real true and deep supernatural or religious experience but it left no clues on to the next part of your journey . . . Consider it a . . . Mental game for the sake of this game let's say you see something akin to the image here and you see it rip a hole in reality . . . You wake up what's your next move?
>>41789507Say hi and ask for more.
Honestly the most realistic answer is: I wouldn't do muchI already believe in the supernatural but even if reality broke in front of me, there's nothing I could do about it. It wouldn't have any impact on my day-to-day life and I'd just have to go on living my boring human life.If anything it'd just depress me, reminding me of the wonders that exist out there, the wonders that I cannot ever be a part of.
>>41789556Man . . . You have no idea fren . . . :(
>>41789507Afterwards most people try to put it out of their mind, because it breaks everything they belive about reality. They may recall the event, but they don’t analyze it like they would a normal, yet rare event. Even normal events can fuck with people, seeing a dead body has this effect, many people who see dead bodies will tell you it fucks with them more than you’d think. I saw something with a bunch of friends and they all could not fucking handle even speaking about it, they’d tell me to stop talking about it, didn’t want to discuss or analyze it at all. We have been lied to about the world, magic is real, very real, human minds create the world and the observer effect and other stuff all comes together to make “reality”. The system has been set up to hide this fact so those who do know can try and warp and control reality to their liking. This is why all the major religions promise magic (miracles) but don’t tell you to do magic, because “it’s evil”. The magic-esque stuff they tell you to do is actually very very tailored to usually do nothing, or keep you chasing something, but also let minor magic things happen to keep you “on the line” and following what they say. It’s insidious.
>>41789571Do you know anything about arch magi or the term godmind by chance? Also can you elaborate anything more on magic fren =3 And thanks for your response, you saw something supernatural to huh? I mean sometimes it's best to not go around telling everyone stuff until you have the ability to prove it . . . Im still stuck on that last part, I know it's real . . . I know a bit of silly stuff but not enough if you know what I mean
>>41789507I did experience the supernatural, here's the TLDR:>if it's purely producing fear in you, it's a demon>if it's helping or guiding you it's an angelChrist is King.
>>41789659That's just it . . . Its not really done much outside of our first encounter some 20 years ago . . . Never said a word just laughed. . . And not in a mean way just . . . Booming laughter and golden light . . . Followed by brain splitting pain and it's gone. . . Which vague sightings of it occasionally in the following weeks or so but never the same pain or reality splitting just golden light and laughter
>>41789571I used to be able to do this trick where I would create like a magnetic pull between myself and someone else. I chalked it up to power of suggestion, because myself and the subjects were high as giraffe pussy, but then I did it to someone sober. I saw her a few days later and asked if she felt the pull, she said yes and excused herself immediately. My companion pointed out that i had scared her quite badly and i felt a bit like a dick. Up until then i thought it was a cool thing to share. I think I never was able to do the trick again. But that was also because all the chi or prana or whatever i received from my Kundalini experience was starting to ebb too.So if something spectacularly supernatural happened i would keep it to myself except /x/ posting so you can all call it a larp.
>>41789715It's just a mental game fren . . . A curious inquiry into the mind is all . . . No harm no foul . . .
>>41789507I don’t need to imagine. I’ve experienced multiple truly supernatural things in real life already. Just now I strangled myself. Can you the time? It was 6 minutes. I strangled myself for 6 minutes without even falling unconscious. Normally people fall unconscious around the 10 second mark. Sometimes a little lower, if a ligature was used as in my case, sometimes a little longer. One minute is when people start dying. Five minutes is the upper limit to how long a human can survive. I survived 6. And let go voluntarily. My true limit is unknown. That should be utterly impossible. I should be very dead. I should not be able to post this. And yet, I am.
>>41789507It happened. I told no one because they would not believe me.
What else do you do? Use it as a data point and inform your actions going forward.
>>41789888You experienced these tendrils also?
>>41789507>Where would you begin? Train the mind and body so that it can sustain the process and awareness for more than a few moments.>What would you do? Gain enough clarity of perception to perceive the situation you are in and discern what is happening according to your innate soul field intelligence.>Who would you contact first?Whoever I remember from the other side that is willing to answer the call.
>>41789931I have seen tendrils of a type. I was physically exploring string theory and well, started pulling at strings that were sticking out of the ground.As I pulled at the strings the earth was pulled up and there were shiny rocks and children's toys being pulled up from the ground.I kept pulling and eventually started digging through the dirt. I eventually started swiping away coins that seemed to spawn at my fingertips.I dug a hole big enough to grab a hold of and sort of... lifted the land in some sort of superhuman way and saw this morphous blob that looked like what the evil terminator in Terminator 2 looked like. Looked very metallic.It had tendrils stretching out and one stretched out towards me, and I reached out to grab it, but it was like I was unable to do that and I ended up dropping the piece of land I had lifted up and the being had vanished at that point.
>>41789507>where would you begin?I suppose I'd begin by making damn sure what I saw actually was supernatural. >what would you do?try to repeat the conditions and see if I can get it to happen again. do everything I can think of to not only get the phenomenon to appear again, but record it in every possible way. thermal, emf, HD, etc. >who would you contact first?I would lurk the corners of dark web and find people posting about stuff that lines up with what I've documented - those people are probably telling the truth. I would then make anonymous contact with them, exchange notes, etc. and learn what I could.
>>41789965Was this in a dream or reality that you saw the tendrils?
>>41789952Hmm anything else you can add fren that you might care to think about that might aid this?
>>41789972Reality.One of the stranger experiences in my life, but believe it or not, not the strangest.
>>41789979Did it come with golden light or any sort of other physical or visual stimuli?
>>41789978I'll say it like this, close your eyes, what do you see? Darkness? Is 'darkness', truly completely dark?Keep looking, it isn't as dark as it might seem. There are little subtle ripples, vibrations, shimmering lights, fractals, colors, textures. It may not be at the same intensity of 'reality', you are used to looking at, and yet its there, and it is still 'reality'.So what happens when your mind becomes still, is that you stop seeing the muddled ripples in the darkness, and instead see it more like a clear crystal field, like the surface of a body of water under a starless sky.So then, imagine that this is a light. This light comes from your heart. The heart is embedded within the 'matter', of your being. When it pumps blood, its supplying a flow of metabolic energy into your cells, and that energy flow causes the chemical reations in your body, which emit photonic light. Don't think of light only as something that happens from electron at the the surface of one atom to the surface electrons of another atom. There is light within the atom itself, and when atoms form molecules, that light can travel within the molecules themselves.Your awareness is something like a surface reflection of all this light, and your mind is the active intelligence which directs the flows and impulses of this light. Its like energy from your heart shining into your mind, and your mind seeking towards the source of that energy within your heart. When the two mutually recognize each other, then what is 'material', in the body, is seen fully as 'alive', rather than substance. It becomes a living gossamer fractal of crystalline protein. Tissues, cells, bones, organs, can all be 'seen' from consciousness. They all have their own light. The light from all of your organs together can create a virtual body, and that body can project outwards into the universe, and you can see and explore the universe from its perspective. Its very beautiful that way, highly recommended.
The world beneath the land I lifted was like an orange haze, and this being stood out against it brilliantly.It almost seemed like all of the manifested objects were meant to distract me from getting to... well whatever it was..
>>41789507I am the last Christian Prophet of Revelations. I post my Gnostic/Christian writings here because it's the place where it reaches the people who need it most.
>>41789965You were doing sorcery. There are two types of sorcery, dream sorcery for dreamers, and awake sorcery for stalkers. I'm very good at the dream sorcery type, but the few times I've tried waking it freaked me out a bit too.In dreaming I once met another sorcerer who taught me about earth sorcery. He has a monkey insignia on his hand, which was his lineage. He offered me a place, but I didn't go along with it. But he did teach me something of earth sorcery. He showed me that the earth also had a pulse, it has veins, arteries, and is akin to a living being itself. At the time I thought of that in terms of veins of minerals, and metals, and learned how to commune with the earth and communicate what I wanted to pull out of it, and I learned how to pull things I wanted from the ground. I've pulled various metals, such as gold, nickle, crystals, from the earth. Once I was dreaming and pulled some crystals from the earth but they looked different and I tried eating them, and they tasted like candy.It is a powerful ability, another sorcerer showed me how to take crystals and rocks and work them in my hands as if they were clay, and shape them and transmute them. That was another very useful skill which can make anything from works of art, enchanted artifacts, to technology, such as laser crystals, and crystal computer tablets. I've done that on multiple occasions, and even used such tablets to contact intelligent infinity, which showed me the galaxy as if it was a artificial intelligence within the light of all the stars. I tried zooming out very far once, and reached outside the known universe, into something that identified as 'titan'.As for my waking sorcery experiments, I mostly tried creating etheric space craft probes I could use to observe celestial objects and regions of space, such as planets, black holes, galaxies, stuff like that. The black hole perception started scaring me though, it was like having one in the room with me.
>>41790085Okay I'll bite relate to me the relationship with gnostic and the tendril image fren =3
>>41790093Can you explain this sorcery more the stalker sorcery . . . By dream sorcery would that be in line with lucid dreaming? Or is it a bit more than that? What do you know of this tendril and sorcery? Do you know anything about the arch-magi or the godminds? Thanks for your insight fren =3
>>41789659>>if it's helping or guiding you it's an angel>Christ is King.
>>41790125I'll give you my best source on Sorcery. Its a bit of a goldmine all things considered, but might not be exactly how it is for you, and perhaps cultural worldviews and bias tends to make sorcery into what you think it is. Everything connected to the old lineages is hindered by this aspect of it, you will see what I mean if you get into it further.https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nagual/Yes, dream sorcery is about dreaming. The sources I've seen on the subject, hearken back to what is supposedly Toltec knowledge, but there are other ancient sorcery lineages in other cultures if you read between the lines on various ancient religious practices.So sorcery is about something termed the assemblage point. Its something like an energy field, or energy body, that determines what you perceive. When you are awake this energy body matches itself with the world, and when you dream it can drift out of its worldly focus into other dimensions of perception. the perception of a 'world', or realm, is a fixation of this energy body upon a particular aspect of existence. When its fixated somewhere its called stalking, and when it moves its called dreaming.You can shift the assemblage point by shifting where your awareness perceives itself to be. Most of the time when I am in normal awake consciousness I feel a bit like I'm in the right hemisphere of my brain. When I focus more on the left, towards the heart, I shift towards a more dreamy ethereal view of reality.The assemblage point is supposedly outside the body, behind the left shoulder blade about 18 inches back. If you can dislodge it from its habitual position, you can perceive everything differently. The positioning is fixated by the internal dialog in your mind onto what you believe to be true about the universe. If you can achieve inner mental stillness, it frees energy from fixating upon the world, and your awareness can shift. This can be subtle, like fine gossamer strands of light shimmering in space.
>>41790196Can you explain the stalking or real world sorcery more . . . Is this common or a rare phenomenon in your understanding on the subject matter? I mean I've seen reality itself shift so I know the implications are theoretically some of the most profound but I still struggle to understand its . . . Well it
>>41790196If you free up enough energy, you can use these strands of energy to perceive more of the energetic field of possibilities that perception can achieve. It can go so far, as to be completely abrupt, a total world shift from this world. I personally, haven't achieved that level of control, nor have I had the balls to go through with it if I managed it, which is why I stick with dreaming. I have achieved total world shifts in dreaming, even going so far as being different forms of alien life, which has left some level of lasting sorrow on my human existence, having lived, and died. To me, dreaming feels very comfortable and safe, trying to do this stuff while awake pretty much makes me fear for my life, and it doesn't seem entirely unfounded that I could go so far as to make normal life no longer possible to continue, so I haven't really gone 'all in'. But in dreaming, I'm pretty far all in, and can do and see many amazing things.But as you gather energy in your dreaming body, the possibilities of waking sorcery start seeming more tangible.If you want to practice it, I'd suggest spending as much time exploring the natural world as possible, while pretending you are something like a shamanic indian recollecting the memory of the land, and as you perceive nature try to expand your energetic perception of it.Sorcery has its teacher, its the universe, if you are willing to learn from its wisdom you will find much.Just close eyes, keep mind still, sit, move, walk, do whatever, just be still in your mind, and sorcery will come to you. You subconsciously already know how to use your awareness to bend the strands of energy and explore, you just have to consciously decide to do it and practice it.
>>41790217Hmm weird the way you talk about it . . . Kinda makes it sound like something that should take tons of effort to accomplish not happen by mistake? Or random accident. . . Also their was . . . I don't know how to put it . . . Another consciousness their when that tendril occurred . . . A golden light with laughter and when I looked upon the golden light I was met with an intense head ache that felt like someone took a hammer to my skull . . . Is that a common phenomenon within your understanding of stalking? To be honest I don't really fear death all that much . . . Seems a silly thing to fear when you consider that we all die no matter what eventually But I am curious about this topic thank you for your answers frenSorry just
>>41790205>Can you explain the stalking or real world sorcery more . . . Is this common or a rare phenomenon in your understanding on the subject matter?Well, like I said, I don't have a lot of experience with it. I did try it for a while though. The best way I can describe it, would be a yogic prayer. You are praying with every action you do, every movement you make, every thought you think, every feeling you generate. All of that is going out into the universe. What you want to do, is tune yourself into what you are sending out, and how the universe is responding to that. You perceive objects through space, and you touch those objects within space with your perception. But your perception can also let go of objects, and be space itself. I'd say its like being in an avatar state, but you aren't bending elements, you are bending space, so that the light passing through the space is also bent and it vibrates and speaks, and sings, and dances with your thoughts. Enchantmet, is singing to space, and having space vibrate your song of beauty. When you touch the universe with your mind as if its a long lost lover that you are finally returning to, you can get its consent to give you the secrets of the cosmos. Its a story, and song, life.I'd say stalking is rather rare.If you think about what you've seen in religious iconography, people making mudras and symbols with their hands, that is something like what I'm talking about. You should just imagine that whatever it is you do, you are touching the fabric of space, and every motion creates a ripple, an echo. If you act in a way that reinforces these ripples, then they will compound on each other into a creshendo. I call those 'feats of awareness'. You develop a method to touch space and create light from your thoughts and feelings, and the memory of such will build upon itself and become part of the very essence of your being.
>>41789659Angels loyal to God never come to Earth as their true forms all evoke visceral animal terror in Humans and you are supposed to be terrified of God alone: If it seems to be helping or guiding you it's a demon being demonically mean by pretending to be angelically nice.
>>41790239>Hmm weird the way you talk about it . . . Kinda makes it sound like something that should take tons of effort to accomplish not happen by mistake? Sort of, but also not really. Stillness of mind isn't really all that difficult, but its also easy to return to thinking the way we do habitually, so its a balance. The more stillness you cultivate, the better, and its cumulative, but when you return to normal thinking, you tend to forget about it to some extent. So its not all that hard, but doing it consistently is perhaps the difficult part. That is what I meant in my first post. You can achieve momentary levels of stupendous awareness, but doing it longer may be difficult. Another aspect of it, is its subtlety. A still mind keeps you from obscuring the phenomena which do occur, and can keep you from being startled when you realize what has happened, which tends to break you out of the trance. Once you realize after returning from a trance that not only something happened, but you can remember a bit of what happened, its pretty amazing. >Or random accident. . . Also their was . . . I don't know how to put it . . . Another consciousness their when that tendril occurred . .Yes, there is another consciousness. Who do you think you are talking to when you talk to "yourself"?> . A golden light with laughter and when I looked upon the golden light I was met with an intense head ache that felt like someone took a hammer to my skull . . . Is that a common phenomenon within your understanding of stalking?I don't know too much about stalking to be honest, but it doesn't surprise me. That was a shift of your assemblage point, which can be a violent experience in some ways. I'd suggest actual martial physical training, in addition to training your mind.>A golden light with laughterOnce I was dreaming and tried listening to radio waves from stars, and I heard it like it was Gods joy and laughter. It was comforting.
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>>41790093how to get into dream sorcery anon?
>>41789507I experience "supernatural" things every day as my mind gets raped by everyone else who harass, terrorize, abuse, and threaten me for anything I think or do, online and in real life, demonstrating that they're part of a retarded tranny hivemind and that I'm the only independent consciousness and that they're all controlled by God, God provides undeniable proof constantly all day every day that I live in a retarded fake world where everyone and everything else is controlled by him and is raping my mind and abusing, harassing, terrorizing, threatening me for my thoughts. I don't do anything about it because I can't except post about it on 4chan especially to challenge God's or retarded threads like this where he tries to pretend that he's not already proving constantly that this world is fake and retarded
>>41789507Nothing? I already see something supernatural like many people here (I suppose), but that don't change anything in your life its just one more thing
>>41789507Hi again, godmind-anon.I remember an ufologist's story about this girl who was traveling with some friends in a car. I believe it was in France. They were watching dancing lights during the trip and, suddendly, one of these lights went very close over the car, bathing it in a very intense aura. I don't remember the color, probably doesn't matter. It was over in an instant. But, in that very brief lapse, the girl had an insight about a magnificent antigravity engine. The ufologist interviewed the girl some time after the event, and she was obssesed with designing the drive, spent her whole time working on it. I don't remember if the ufologist followed the case much further, only that the girl was singlemindedly thinking about that engine as long as the ufologist knew.I believe our world is just the hard surface of creation, a very peculiar place. Inside this surface, you first find the astral that, as Victor Goddard famously said, "... is greatly inhabited by illusion-prone spirits, is well known for its multifarious imaginative activities and exhortations." Sometimes, it seems, these astral spirits can briefly touch our surface, often taking the form of counscious bodies of light, and bringing with them a brief, alien experience of contacting an astral counsciousness right in our world. Whomever is near when that happens, well... read about contactees.I'm not wise. I'm not an initiate. I don't know if I envy you, because I don't want to interact with these spirits in their own terms. I've never, afaik, interacted with one. I'd be careful that suche experience, shocking and wonderful as it is, doesn't cloud your own spiritual journey. Quite often these spirits don't make sense at all, from our point of view.Godspeed.
>>41791159Hello fren, god-mind anon eh? Well thanks for noticing fren =3 . . . interesting story! I'm afraid on one hand I totally get it . . . On the other hand not so much in the same way. I no longer care about materialism at all to be honest . . . The idea of building something or becoming obsessed over anything material seems silly now. It's kinda hard to explain but now I know things . . . Things I can't speak or put into words because words are designed by man for explaining the commonality of the world around us. What I experience had no words to accurately describe so I'm left without the ability to even transmit it in any meaningful or effective manner.>>It's strange frenI'm concerned with my soul . . . I saw something that defined all laws of reality and fundementally functioned outside of it. And what ever it's purpose or reason it left a mark or did something . . . And what ever that something was when you know of the soul and strange unknowable stuff you suddenly become much more fearful for your soul than anything else can begin to understand.I mean on one hand their is a relief in knowing something does truely exist . . .but on the other >>I dont think many people comprehend how terrifying the concept of demi-gods or powerful entites below god but have power over souls or soul adjacent actually are>>It's like looking at a nuclear bomb explosion and trying to explain it in the year 500 a.d.
>>41791584Fren, you get materialistic obsessions if you're materialistic. If you're an UFO believer, you get a cryptogram with Reticulan coordinates, or obsessive instructions like in that old Spielberg movie. If you're a medieval peasant you see elves. A XIXth century American sees steampunk flying machines. If you're spiritual, you know what you see.It's not as uncommon as many think. But the experiences are, to grossly paraphrase Goddard, mostly bullshite. Don't obsess.You did talk to Alawiteanon, didn't you? Go for certainty. If godmind is a thing, you'll find it along the way.
>>41792082I did talk to alawite anon thanks. Yeah strange thing to be chasing after . . . But I appreciate the support fren hopefully I can unravel this mystery . . . Or at least learn a bunch along the way
>>41792585Ok, fren. Something to chew on, maybe. If what you experienced was a contact, these sometimes happen in flaps, concentrated in time and geographic location. Have you looked in newspapers and magazines if at the time of your experience was a UFO flap going on, or some other remarkable anomalies?
>>41792644Yeah I've looked into it and events around it, star movements too . . . It happened inside and honestly I think theirs nothing to do with ufos . . . The only really weird part is the hospitals seem to have lost all mine and my brothers medical documents from like +/- 4 years of that event . . . But other than crappy hospital admin and record keeping literally nothing abnormal
>>41790196>I'll give you my best source on Sorcery. Its a bit of a goldmine all things considered, but might not be exactly how it is for you, and perhaps cultural worldviews and bias tends to make sorcery into what you think it is. Everything connected to the old lineages is hindered by this aspect of it, you will see what I mean if you get into it further.>https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nagual/>Yes, dream sorcery is about dreaming. The sources I've seen on the subject, hearken back to what is supposedly Toltec knowledge, but there are other ancient sorcery lineages in other cultures if you read between the lines on various ancient religious practices.>So sorcery is about something termed the assemblage point. Its something like an energy field, or energy body, that determines what you perceive. When you are awake this energy body matches itself with the world, and when you dream it can drift out of its worldly focus into other dimensions of perception. the perception of a 'world', or realm, is a fixation of this energy body upon a particular aspect of existence. When its fixated somewhere its called stalking, and when it moves its called dreaming.>You can shift the assemblage point by shifting where your awareness perceives itself to be. Most of the time when I am in normal awake consciousness I feel a bit like I'm in the right hemisphere of my brain. When I focus more on the left, towards the heart, I shift towards a more dreamy ethereal view of reality.>The assemblage point is supposedly outside the body, behind the left shoulder blade about 18 inches back. If you can dislodge it from its habitual position, you can perceive everything differently. The positioning is fixated by the internal dialog in your mind onto what you believe to be true about the universe. If you can achieve inner mental stillness, it frees energy from fixating upon the world, and your awareness can shift. This can be subtle [...]that's... interesting
Quite literally, nothing! I've seen some stuff... I don't know what it was, but strange enough at least from my angle it could not be explained easily with certainty.So, I did Nothing, just did my daily life, often not saying anything, occasionally telling someone, eventually.
>>41789507If this happens to u. Do not contact anyone. Do not break routine. Observe and let ur mind grow and change. If u reach out u will get obstacles thrown in ur way and u will lose ur shot at getting an answer. This happened to me and i got the cops called on me because i missed work chasing the rabbit down the hole and ended up in hospital. But this is important. Living free and without filters is important. If ur going through this dont trigger a response just observe and integrate.
>>41789507I have experienced the supernatural, it's led me to pursue further research into the supernatural and science.
I've seen the supernatural yeah I sing a mantra that causes a shape to arise in the mind. I can become that shape. Apparently if you can do this unto completion, you can attain samadhi, but it's something I've only glimpsed.
>>41794954How did you loose your shot at answers fren?
>>41789507Have experience the supernatural many times.I usually tell people about it.One time as a giant orb was passing through me I alerted my friends, they looked, but the moment was over.Everything else has been personal.Haunted a friend's new construction house with a ouija board, I believe her. He baby began waking up screaming "baby in dere!!! baby in dere!!! pointing at his bedroom closet. Husabnd said he felt something chasing him up their steps/behind him. She woke up to a kid standing at her side of the bed.I haunted my house with a ouija board.Ghost would stand on the steps and stare. You'd suddenly get a real bad feeling and then look over an, oh, that asshole again.I finally stood inside it and told it it's not welcome. It never came back.My friend was telling me about how he is haunted by fairys. Where you leave things out for them etc. This guy had very interesting luck as well - very good. And he was good guy..Anyway, while he's telling me fairy's hide and move things of his, small things, a rubber coin/server vibration boot, literally flips off the table in front of us and onto the floor.It was just a flat thick rubber "coin", lying flat, and ohp, like someone was crossfitting a trakctor tire and flipped it off the table right in front of us, as he was telling me about the fairys.I thought it was awesome he was validated, and, I saw something supernatural.Neither of us were within arm's length of the table. It flipped outta nowhere.He also talked about a friend of his being possessed for months by a ouija board once, until they burned the oujia board itself This friend also mentioned a demon passing through him on his steps when going into his basement.It paralyzed him as they crossed paths.>I guess the one time there was that recurring ghost which gave me a bad feeling, I stood inside it and told it it's not welcome. And it never came back. Guess I'm an exorcist now.
It doesn't really matter what you do. Ninety-nine percent of the time, no one will believe you. And even if someone does believe you, it's still something that only affects you personally. In most cases, you won't feel the need to tell anyone at all. In many cases, the opportunity simply won't arise. In some cases, you'll tell someone anyway and feel a little ambivalent or maybe even bad about it afterwards, as if you had betrayed a secret. And very rarely, what has revealed itself to you as supernatural is so much greater than you and reality itself that it has brought all the structures in the cosmos together specifically for this one and only moment of your union.
