>Think of nothing>Switch off the rational conscious mind>No thoughts>Do this for longer and longer periods>Don't question, don't respond, don't acknowledge>Years pass, Meditation gets longer>Become braindeadIs meditation an anti-intellectual psyop to regress back to ape? How many days upon weeks have those whom have mastered the meditative experience lost in using their brain and acquiring applicable knowledge?I pose this question as seeing the benefits but wish to open discussion on both sides>just dont think bro
it's about achieving mushin (no-heart) and being able to act without second thoughts
>>41791145oh like a Manchurian Candidate?
>>41791148human mind is fragmented and works with filtersdiscoursive mind can hinder you if you can't turn it offmeditating can put it all back as onebuddhist zen masters say they can enter in mushin and be able to answer questions with no filter, no discourse in their mind, just speaking directly with a flow
>>41791090pretty much. coming from a martial art perspective what you're trying to do is be fully present instead of following trails of thought which distract from whats going on. you want to still thought so that your trained reactions come out thus giving maximum speed and flexibility. but what are you trying to let come out and take over outside of a martial art context? that depends on what you're general training is.
>>41791163everyone does that when they are familiar enough with the subject, situation, activity etc. we just call it fluency, professionalism etc.
>>41791170now expand that in everything and not just in a single subject, that is the state they seek to achievemeditation/zen doesn't stop after standing up
>>41791177>not just in a single subject,but they are not, and cannot be, at a professional specialist level of knowledge on everything. they can perhaps apply general principles to stuff and thats probably what they do, which is why they sound like they are waffling on about mystical things all the time. i get the whole idea of stilling the mind but i do think that its self deception to try applying it to everything. all you're doing is preventing yourself from realizing that you're not right about everything by training your feelings. your analytic mind is as useful as your emotive mind
>>41791202well since the goal of the Mahayana is total Omniscience, you get the ability to kind of skirt around subjects, at least when you're on the intermediate level, and develop responses using upaya (skillful means)one idea i can also respond with is that all scientific knowledge is empty so if you have prajna (wisdom of emptiness) you can command a conversation on any topic, because all concepts are empty and you have expertise (upaya) in emptiness.
>>41791299like i said, they waffle on using some basic general principles while imagining that they know everything. its deception but im sure it feels nice to believe you k now everything.
It's not a singular thing. Plenty of schools exist that teach to do almost the complete opposite of the method described in the OP. They just don't get shilled by your managerial overlords like buddhist derived scams such as corporate "mindfulness".
>>41791389they do that with the same goal in mind though
>>41791391No, no they don't.
>>41791437ok, then please describe the idea and the goal.
>>41791440On the mundane level the divide is between Increasing memory/speed of thought vs silencing thoughtWho learns what is part of a caste divide
>>41791345You don't believe you know anything, you simply do. >Socrates: I know that I know nothing.>You (hylic pleb): SO YOU KNOW EVERYTHING?See, you understand too.
>>41791616>you simply dosame difference. you simple act as if you know everything.you still dont and its therefore self deception under the pretense of denying the self and thinking you've escaped deception.
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Most meditation including all the Eastern stuff was actually discursive in nature i.e. involved directed thinking. This stuff about tightening your attention onto a granular point until you stop thinking is based off of commentaries and much later developments.
>How many days upon weeks have those whom have mastered the meditative experience lost in using their brain and acquiring applicable knowledge?you say that like they wouldnt be wasting that time looking at shit on the internet, like we are literally are doing now and are doing more and more
>>41791701>This stuff about tightening your attention onto a granular point until you stop thinking is based off of commentaries and much later developments.Isn't this zhungazi
>>41791090Not all meditation is the same. There are techniques that will make you trip as hard as any psychedelic.
>>41791912lets know them
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Having no or few thoughts doesn't mean that you don't comprehend things, on the contrary you comprehend them better because your awareness isn't clouded by myriads of thoughts which your mind produce.
>>41791090You’re not supposed to do it 24/7 and like anything it should enhance your life not detract from it
>>41793311osho was capable and advocated being in divine meditation at all timesnice digits
According to Ken Wilber, meditation is a path, maybe the primary path, to pass through states of consciousness and to realise one's true nature. However, merely being adept in states doesn't make you good at levels of human development, which are something like archaic -> magic -> mythic -> rational -> pluralistic -> integral -> super-integral. Human beings pass through these stages throughout their life, growing into a new and higher level of wholeness each time. Meditation can help you progress through them faster, it's true, but it doesn't help you to see and be aware of them. Instead, you have to use Western developmental psychology to learn about the stages you are going through and try and live your life appropriately, dealing with shadow elements at times (perhaps by engaging with psychoanalytic therapy if the issues are major) and generally learning and progressing in a natural way which honours the knowledge of these stages and their natures.
>>41791090>Dude just like turn your brain off>Bro like cause ego death and shieeetYeah it's a Jewish psyop to turn you into an NPC
>>41791090I've seen monks spend 40 years meditating and still hold grudges and hate other monks.
>>41793799Yes because people who live all of their lives hypnotized by their thoughts and emotions are not NPC's at all.
It's a willpower exercise. You aren't turning your thoughts off. You are thinking precisely what you will.
>>41791090>>Become braindeadtrue meditation is realizing just sitting or meditating is a scam. the buddha attained enlightenment sitting because that's just one of the original methods. any act of remaining still is the beginning of the seperation of you from the insentient world.
>>41793324Anyone who quotes osho of should already know he said plenty of both wisdom and bs
>>41791090You're roughly describing Zen Buddhist styles of meditation. Different schools of yoga have their own associated meditation techniques involving yoga poses (including difficult poses like head stands) chakra activation breathing techniques and my favorite of all using tools to assist focus (trataka is a staring meditation that can be done on any still object but many use yantras to draw certain astrological powers or receive assistance from deities)There's a lot out there man>>41791912What I've heard someone say once is "psychedelics can shoot you 30,000 feet up but if you meditate then you can slowly climb 100s of thousands of feet" I only personally have had experiences like that with psychedelics not meditation
