>>41791935There is no grand conspiracy ; There are no grand metaphysics shaping reality ; Everything is exactly as it seems.You are just a very smart animal. There is nothing special about you nor is there anything special about this world. You do not exist for a grander purpose. The only reason things exist is because they have to.
Love is actually the entire point. Nothing else matters.
>>41791956How did you come to this conclusion?>>41791959I could see that being true. Reminds me of pic rel
>>41791956>Hylic
>>41791935That you must keep ascendingAnd infinite climb up a staircase each step greater than the last
>>41791956>I have no esoteric knowledge and have never experienced anything so i will just self project my own insecurities
You're a cosmic lolcow
>>41791983this>>41791959this kinda>>41791990this>>41791998This somewhat
>>41791935Red pills become black pills when they become too potent for hope to exist. I think the strongest red pill that still allows some hope is that the only person who has your back in this universe is yourself
>>41791956>>41791959>>41791970>>41791983>>41791990>>41791995>>41791998>>41792005>>41792011the cosmic joke is that i was actually real all along.the real me is the I that is egoic and non-egoic simultaneouslywait, alan watts and terence mckenna were placebo truths? yes. hints of truth and wisdom but red herrings.
>>41791935All is within your mind within this reality. What you think you become. Be it awesome or horrible.
>>41791959and this. Nice, anon, nice vibration.
no a lot matters besides love actually. you actually have to have the full spectrum of being or else you wouldn't actually enjoy or appreciate anything. it took me a long time to admit that but it's actually true. because everything is ultimately one anyway
>>41792037So you’re saying I actually have to take responsibility for my life and my current reality?Nonsense anon
>>41791959>dropped in a universe in which the evolution towards higher forms of consciousness is designed to happen through LITERAL MURDER, PREDATION, KILLING, DEATH AND WAR>"love is the point guyz"wtf dude
>>41791935God is real and you are supposed to become like god and transform reality into god.
>>41792096see this>>41791983
>>41791935its you
>>41792108yeah, pretty basic stuff. sad seeing anons with basic cognitive dissonance programming at this stage>Thou shall not killnice design you got going on here, Yaldiebaldie
>>41791983Where did this originally come from? What informational ecosystem was this birthed out of?
>we made you suffer ass cancer because it's all about love broIs there a more goycattle coded belief?
>>41792076Seems like a lot, but it's better that way.
You were put here at the particular moment in history for a reason. The acceleration of events and trials you have been through and will go through will be assessed.
I dont think I can give THE final red pill. I dont know. Its probably something nice. Pills can taste sweet, especially red pills should be like candy
>>41791935The ones that are going to attempt to answer this question are not worth listening to.
>>41792670Dumbledore supposedly liked shrebet lemon. If you imagine a red pill then it HAS TO taste like strawberry
>>41792698Strawberry candy sounds very sweet, maybe too sweet. That means the red pill could be a bit too much. Maybe a blue pill or a green pill? What about a transparent pill. That sounds fresh. If it is transparent, then you can see trough at least. Maybe we dont need so many secrets anymore
>>41792237he deserved it
>>41791935There's no God. Everything is a shitshow because the universe has a basic framework of rational laws that can be abused by selfish actors.
>>41791935you are the red pill so god can be a red pill
ass > boobs
>>41791935>red-pill>23 years later, and still has not figured out the red pill was just another layer of simulation>this is literally alluded to in the first scene of the first movie with the book Simulation and SimulacraHylics are such unflinching retards that don't question anything. 23. years. Some of you guys have the depth of an ungulate beast pattering the ground with hooves. The final 'realization', toward your question, is that you can only know that you are. Ego through redivicism. Ergo cognito sum.
cooming is good
>>41791956Gotta be the most reddit post I've seen today, congratulations
>>41791959Straight from the Word of GodMatthew 22:36>“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”>Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
>>41791998Im curious about this... Can you or anyone else describe what the life of a cosmic lolcow would be like? How does it differ from a material lolcow?
>>41795138I can't love the entity that allows so much fucked up shit to happen, it feels deeply wrong, if feels like sacrificing concience.
>>41791983>faggotand the cycle repeatshttps://rv-practice.rf.gd/?i=2https://lovetruths.com/https://ia803105.us.archive.org/24/items/livingsignsii/John%20Frawley%20-%20The%20Real%20Astrology.pdfhttps://sites.socsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/https://drmichaellevin.org/publications/https://www.julianjaynes.org/pdf/jaynes_consciousness-voices-mind.pdfThis is no key to life.>>41792180whats that written on your ceiling?
>>41792237>clott adamsAsked for it
Proof that the Bible is the word of God:https://truthischrist.com/seven/fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Rom. 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then resurrected and ascended to heaven, and will return soon to judge the world. You can't be justified to God your own way, so will you choose His righteousness instead? (Rom. 10:3)Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! The gift of salvation can't be earned, it is a gift. Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own deeds, He atoned for your sins on the cross.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” After you're saved, you are a child of God and nothing will separate you from His love. (Romans 8:38-39)
The final red pill is The Parasite Pill.Search the archives.
>>41791956Le baserino comment good sir, here's an updoot and some gold to my fellow atheist ;)
That this is my dream.
>>41791956Then why am I me rather than you?Materialism doesn't answer it. Finite Souls don't answer it.'God wearing many masks at once :)' doesn't answer it.Only me being the Eternal Solipsistic God answers it.
>>41795165He allows free will. We need free will to truly love, and having free will also comes with the consequences of bad things being possible too. Don't worry, the evil ones will get the punishment they justly deserve in the end, God will judge them. This world is just temporary.
>>41795210Does this mean that God doesn't truly love?Anyways, all of those justifications are not worth forcing conscious beings to suffer.Only one in the Christian ontology who could be said to be worthy of being judged, is the very god who architected such a fallible system.
>>41795210No he does not, we do not the free will, what you call free will is just merely ability to choose god or devil.If we had truly free will, we would have choice to reject our own existence or afterlife, but is clearly that we do not have such choice and we are forced to be part of this nightmarish existence.
>>41795210How?I absolutely don't consent for satan rule this world but here we are.
>>41795240>we would have choice to reject our own existence or afterlifeAnd how exactly would that work anon?
>>41791935What is the final red-pill?OP, no matter which iteration, is and always was a ||fag||
>>41791935We always loop, there are ways to intentionally trigger the loop, and only a select few even realize that we are looping.
>>41791935God is Evil.
>>41791956>>41791959>>41791990wrong, its lizard jews
>>41795167>Can’t disprove 3 claims from the image>Results to calling someone a faggotAverage faggot hylic behaviour
>>41795540rv my dick faggot
>>41795551>Still no responsemany such cases XDalso i don't want to touch your micro, sorry
>the final redpill The 90’s were collectively orchestrated to ensure you put your faith in systems you don’t have control over to ensure you’ll be stunted when these amenities are taken away. There was an entire push and campaign to ensure societal comfort and safety was guaranteed, but none of those perks were definitive. The 90’s are looked fondly upon because of this, but also contrasts with our present-day, deliberately, to introduce longing. This entire website is built off forming answers to questions, but none of the users are actually as sovereign as they’d like to admit, since they believe the 90’s were organic. There are natural laws and then there are laws put in place to ensure the mind of the victim can no longer see outside the constraints of an illusion. If you see don’t believe me, look at how children are being raised, directionless, because the parents just think societal comforts are supposed to fall in place without artists, creatives, poets and theatre. Those professions were a luxury, and a thankless sacrifice if you were to pursue these avenues today. Look at how hollow the judgement of others feel, it’s because people no longer have faith in the average person. Excuses are for the weak, society dies once the artist’s influence on men of science dies, people blame the artist but never step up when it matters, critics subconsciously tell the world you were never leadership material. Memes cannot fix this.
>>41792180The pic? /pol/.The info? Gnostic tradition. Not the Freemason variety.
>>41795213God and Good have the same etymological root.The concept of God as an entity is derivative from the concept of Goodness.Consequently, the truth of God has been occluded by means of religious dogma and clerical suppression of the people.A God is someone who does a lot of Good.By that road, anyone can embody God and become God.Don't let whimsical fairydusters delude you into thinking you're part of some greater hivelike collective kind of God. That's a false path that leads towards evil.
>>41795196>Finite SoulsWhy does finite souls not answer it
>>41791956the fact that this got people so butt blasted only proves that it's the bitter hard truth that nobody wants to swallow.
>>41796731>if no one respondedWow look how everyone ignores it, they don't want to face the truth>if people respondedWow look how butt hurt everyone is, they don't want to face the truth
>>41796759le epic internet victory good sir, take my upvote!
>>41796762>>41795192
>>41796759Correct>>41796762Incorrect
>>41796731yep you owned him my atheist brother, here take my poor mans gold >upvoteshttps://youtu.be/48z8BtS__a4?si=FZwwlhBtfjWCew1W
Everything you see happening outside of your real sphere of existence is a narrative being fed to you; it isn't real. The evil people in the world that you hate are actors, who feel they are above the deeds they commit because they have disclosed to you at some point in plain English that they are an actor, and by consuming their act, you are consenting in being lied to. Tl;dr: the media, the news feed, the personalities, they haven't ever "lied" to you because you consent to being lied to by actors who have presented this honestly (as a deal with your free will) or otherwise exercise your right to free will by choosing to remain ignorant.
>>41796821o-oh the video...All fake nothing grand about that
>>41791935Life doesn't matter anymore and it has become very obvious everywhere you go. You can feel it when you are out in public, no one gives a fuck about anything anymore. Even normies are blackpilled husks now.I go to work and basically just do nothing. I don't give a shit if they fire me, it literally doesn't matter at this point. I'm poor if I'm NEETing and poor if I work full time. This society is pointless.No community, no property, no families, no future.
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>>41791935knowing that your are just s undying soul that choose to come to earth. once your body died your sould will be "free" again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6WRVr55H3A
>>41791935That all the "red" pills are just blue bills that have been repainted.The point is that the red pill wakes you up. Once you have the first one. There are no more red pills. You wake up. Taking the pill over and over again without anything changing and treating it as a meme, means it's been a blue pill the whole time.
>>41791935The white pill that God is real and wants you to turn to him to free you from the ways of this bondage planet
>>41791959This, the cliche anime trope of "if you kill him, you'll just be like him" rings true, there's no need to hate when you know the unrepentant heathens fate
>>41791959this
Im one of the best philosophers this decade or maybe even century and I cant tell you what the final redpill would be. Maybe you dont need a red pill to be ok.
>>41791935You need money to survive. End.
>>41791935Every imediate microcosm in your awareness can be observed and vice versa. Every imediate macrocosm in your awareness can be observed. Influence at your dicression. Shit overlaps like though, as it do, so watch out for 4D ninjas and such.
>>41797661If you were such a great philosopher you'd have some humility
>>41797844That is not how that works.The definition of philosophy is to love wisdom, the modesty typically comes from knowing the limitation of one's wisdom. But that is not innate to it.
It's the Jews
>>41791956Yep. Blank Slate Theory.We're gonna train orangutans to develop skyscrapers and the tools necessary to build skyscrapers any day now. Just need to figure out the right way to encourage them to put that Blank Slate to use.
>>41797867No. Modesty is knowing something, but still allowing space for others to come to know something as well. If a sexy woman is modest, her sexiness is not at question, essentially any man with an appetite towards the feminine form can see that she is beautiful.....But, she voluntarily holds the power of her sexual beauty back, so that others can still feel beautiful or come to find the are beautiful too.Modesty is probably the most sexy trait a woman can have; it is the feminine equivalent of Humility, which is the opposite of Pride's arrogance. This is why women can't stand men who are arrogant and condescending towards others. It demonstrates you have no idea what Humility is, because you don't embody it by allowing others the space to be wrong, and come into being right. You just project right-ness at them all the time and it's socially off-putting.
>>41791959Romantic love is a paradox - because it requires separation between the subject and object and inevitably leads to chasing. The only way around this is agape being the purest form of love
>>41797910If someone says 1 + 1 = 2, is he bragging no, >>41797661Anon is obviously the panicle of philosophy leave him alone
>>41797910>This is why women can't stand men who are arrogant and condescending towards others.Are you sure about this?"Women rate the high dark triad personality significantly more attractive than the low dark triad."https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245Dark triad traits:The Dark Triad refers to three interconnected, socially aversive personality traits: Narcissism (grandiosity, entitlement), Machiavellianism (manipulation, cynicism), and Psychopathy (lack of empathy, impulsivity, callousness)
>>41797946Not anything past the short term. They prefer a man who can exhibit both.Neither of which are contingent upon being a fool who can't know anything.
If you can't handle being dark triad with a sense of modesty, you're just a social retard that has to evoke dominance constantly because you're an insecure pussy.
>>41797978>Not anything past the short term. They prefer a man who can exhibit both.This is the dual mating strategy. Fuck the selfish badboy and get his seed but trick the nice, caring guy into taking care of the kid.
And when push comes to shove in an actual fight between men. A dark triad will get the living fuck beat out him by a dark triad that knows to mask his strengths
>>41797984Nah I'm just stating facts. I'm not dark triad. I'm more empathetic and I naturally care about people. And I'm not gonna change who I am to attract women. And this is just something I observe - the nice dudes who supplicate to women in relationships all get burned. They don't like that behavior that much
>>41797989Who said anything about being caring? Your diagnostic is flat and false dichotomy. The 48 laws of power, which is literally the source of "How To Dark Triad" constantly tells you to mask your power. Women like it when you present a modest demeanor and then absolutely slay them when you get home. They don't like being embarrassed by you telling the waiter to take your food back because your steak was cooked exactly to your specifications, but then you decided to move the goalposts on them as a flex. That's faggot behavior; not dark triad
>>41798000You don't need to supplicate to women to be in a long term relationship with them. That's passive aggressive bargaining. Women aren't happy in that position. Don't be 1 dimensional, and this is your fucking life, ain't nobody gonna live it for you, so assume you are in control of it.
>>41798014Well you're just making assumptions here. Women don't choose what they like. They just are. For instance you get your ass beat by some dude who was being a dick for no reason she's gonna get wet by the dude who beat your ass. She didn't consciously choose that but TLDR nature is a bitch bro, it is what it is
Dark Triad behavior is telling the walking triangle that jumped in your back seat trying to get at her married friend to get out of the back seat of your car, and when he doesn't respond to the first request, getting out of your car with a Forty in your hand opening the back door, and then beating the living shit out of the dude twice your size with the forty for not respecting your first and only warning.
>>41798038Dark Triad is just another term for bad boy. All women love bad boys and it's not a secret. And 48 laws of power Robert Greene is far from a bad boy, but he's strong in ways such as his ability to relate to people. If you've seen his interviews he's very articulate and carries an aura of understanding
>>41798038And then you jump back in your car, and pretend like it never happened, while giving your girlfriends friend a pleasant ride home, and then never speaking about it again (modesty)
>>41797910For clarification, I'm not the person who made that post. You are conflating things that aren't directly linked. Yes modesty can exist in philosophy. But it doesn't have to. It's equivalent to saying you have personally only ever experienced red fire hydrants, therefore all hydrants must be red. This simply isn't true. Being modest doesn't mean you innately correct. And likewise being immodest doesn't make you wrong. Also to anthropomorphize wisdom as if they could be rizz'd is foolish. You just don't like being wrong. Which is the key part of that humility. And the righteousness of which you speak is one of rigorous quantification. Knowing the 1 from the zero. But as you can see around you, this is what happens when you let those error pile on because of insecurities.
>>41798024I don't supplicate to women, but a bad boy is a bad boy because he doesn't want commitment. The thing is, when a man commits to a woman he loses that bad boy status and starts slowly turning into the man that she is crafting him into - someone that she thinks she likes. But once that evolution is complete, she no longer desires the man. Such is the cycle of lifehttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/zs_Q899_2aM
>>41798070That still isn't pretending you can't know things. You can know things; how social jousting and pivoting works, how others try to overplay their hand, etc.Modesty is a constraint on knowing, and a methodology on coming to know how you how (which is wisdom)There's essentially 4 levels of knowingShame: not knowing what you don't know, or hiding from what you know; repressing TruthPride: thinking you know what you don't really know, and projecting limited knowing as absolute knowingHumility: not knowing How you know, and restraining the projection of partial knowing (opposite pride)Wisdom: knowing that you know, acknowledging painful truths (opposite shame)All four related to Truth in various measure.Pretending you can't know anything is just self-depreciating shame
>>41798109Modesty is like Goku hiding his power level
>>41798089That's simply not true though. That's the kind of relationship that being non-assertive and non-leading devolves into being cucked.Part of being that behavior is asserting boundaries. That isn't to say, "controlling" that is to say, you must be willing to burn it all down at any time if she does not capitulate to your expectations of what respecting you means. Women want to be adored. Men want to be respected. If she isn't respecting you, and you're still in the relationship, then you're a coward; no matter what the cost of burning it all down is.
>>41798113Exactly. He doesn't need to brag about its strength and project it all the time. When it comes time to speak man (violence) he simply does
>>41797889Kant decimated the theory of anything being tabula rasa. I'm surprised people accept empiricism (aka the scientific endeavour) as truth claims given all observations are made through humans and if science is to be believed, humans hallucinate everything meaning all observations are just common fairy-tales thus do not relate to the thing in itself what so ever. Science as a result can never describe truth and just instead records observed interactions between object a and object b etc at a moment of time.
>>41798136Of course, you need to have boundaries in relationships. But the desire to be in a relationship at all is a signal of weakness and codependency. In a sense the title of a boyfriend is simply the balance between being a 'fuck boy' and 'friend zone.' Fuck boy - the dominant dude who gives no fucks and needs no codependency vs friend zone - boring, no passion, but safe and secure. That's the compromise you make in relationships with yourself
The final redpill is that neither you, nor any being in existence, is all-knowing. Omniscience and omnipotence do not exist, for any entity, across any dimension. It is ontologically impossible.The nature of reality, which is consciousness itself, is to be ever-unfolding. If learning and evolution stopped, reality would stop, but that will never happen, even given infinite time.The reason for this is that our perspective, our understanding of the concept of "knowledge" exists within our limited framework. Right? So knowledge is a limited concept, because it is OUR concept and we are limited. Infinity is by definition outside of this, and reality is necessarily infinite.Another point is that, by definition, being an "entity" or a "being" means being limited in some sense, you are identified, and you are not what you are not. Therefor it is purely logical that no entity or being can have infinite knowledge.It is logically impossible, by the definitions of the terms.
>>41798147That's when he turns super saiyan and reveals his power level>>41798179Think about this. What would Jesus do? If Jesus came to earth and got into a relationship how would that change others' perception of Him? The reason Jesus is alpha is because he put the mission first above all else. The need for relationships is human weakness
>>41798109You are perceiving me as speaking in bad faith because I chose to be assertive and concise. You do so, based on your experience. I am not speaking in bad faith, and you can decide to believe that or not. To say I'm not pretending I can't know things is a double negative, while also accusing me of irony. You are being ambiguous, if you want to talk about something specific then chose a subject. I just don't care for when people make up the rules as they pretend to go along with things.
>>41798183Essentially, because by definition being an entity or a being or an individual means being limited, being a particular perspective, that means that any being or entity must necessarily not be infinite. Therefor it is impossible for any entity that could possibly exist, again by definition, to be all-knowing or all-powerful. It cannot be by definition of the terms. Anything that is conscious, has an opinion, has an identity, etc. cannot possibly know everything.This also means that they cannot know what they do not know.This implies that ALL beings, angels, spirits, extra-terrestrials, extra-dimensionals, etc. none of them have perfect wisdom or perfect power.
>>41798177While in some sense that is a fair criticism, as most rigid thinkers want axioms and empiricism to strive to, to moor their world view, It is undeniable that there are still degrees of uncertainty. That is probability distributions.
>>41798136>That's simply not true though. That's the kind of relationship that being non-assertive and non-leading devolves into being cucked.When you're in a relationship you have to be cognizant of her wants and needs and there's no way around that. The difference is the bad boy doesn't care about her wants and needs. He lives from moment to moment and this uncertainty is what makes it exciting for her. Versus the love of a boyfriend? Yeah the lovey dovey feeling of comfort is there but certainty kills desire. A boyfriend makes the compromise of consistency which contributes to this
There is no moral obligation to live your life in any other fashion than what you enjoy the most.https://youtu.be/vnO5bKvYYMk?si=tM8S2TfqXx9jUhAy
>>41798251Really needed to hear this today. Thanks anon
>>41791935Buddhismhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_59.html
>>41798179Try raising kids in that atmosphere retard. Are you saying every child should be born into single motherhood? Are you fucking retarded? We should just live in a world of niggerdome?
>>41798238No there are invariants.Truth is invariant. If you are 99% true you are 100% false. There is no probability of Truth it is absolutely invariant.Photons invariantly move at CStart from there and derive backwards retard. Dont approximate anything, be exacting.
>>41798250Are you married? How many years are you married? Have you ever been married before this marriage? Describe how it fell apart, why it felt apart, and your accountable responsibility in that. Don't fucking talk like a woman to me, pussy whoop.
Too many manifesto faggots. Everyone's got an asshole. NOW SPREAD EM
>>41798819No, the plan of having a family is the only reason a man should be in a relationship. The children need to have the assurance that their parents won't up and leave at a moment's notice. Beyond this, there's no point to being in a relationship - for the sake of being 'happy' and having a 'connection' which will inevitably fade and end? Temporary feelings with no stable metric isn't the smartest way a man should make his decisions
>>41798885Lol temporary feelings.I often fall in love, when I'm scrolling through pornhub and my chemicals do their thing.
>>41796709Try to answer it with finite souls. You'll see that you cannot answer it.
>>41798947>I often fall in love, when I'm scrolling through pornhub and my chemicals do their thing.Modern love story
fart
>>41791935That Hitler was right, but that he was also actually Jewish.
>>41798885Who cares about the children you leave behind. It's just fleeting feelings. You got a keep your eyes on the mission
>>41796731facts
>>41799651>You got a keep your eyes on the missionYou get it bro. That's why alpha fux and beta bux.https://alphabiolabsusa.com/learning-center/what-is-paternity-fraud/
>>41791935The final answer would be a self-aware answer that defines the characteristics of the final truth and explain where it emerges from, then explains what it is, essentially as tautology.
>>41791935This is all just a goofy overly ambitious video game played by higher dimensionals
>>41791935You can't escape money.It's literally hell. You born in Hell, you will die in Hell.
>>41792096why did you include death in that? death is based
>>41791935Bodies are chrysalids in the shape of a neuron, death is therefore a metamorphosis that shifts consciousness from physically centered to mentally centered, gaining new levels of ontological plasticity. Which in my opinion means every “non-physical” being with self agency had to go through a physical developmental stage at some point.
>>41791956>There are no grand metaphysics shaping reality ; Everything is exactly as it seems.you just contradicted yourself lol
>>41792031>alan watts and mckennathey're alright starting points but next go to krishnamurti
>>41799889specifically his series of dialogues with Dr David Bohm
>>41795153A material lolcow is when you're being laughed at on a forum for being a troon. A cosmic lolcow is when you're being laughed at from the astral for trying to cope with existing out of nowhere.
