>>41819700
>into some desert place
kek

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>>41819700
There also were Prophets in North America though

>>41819700
>live in artifical reality
>no humans here at all
>the reality goes on and on about humans and ''god'' but it never will explain what ''god'' even is, is it a job position? is it a position of status? is it a type of being? is it just some guy? some sort of idea/conceptual thing? some sort of head of a religion or cult? is it a race of beings? is it the essence of a thing that defines it? is it the head of a type of government? what even is it, who knows... it never gets explained and if it does it is in contention with other conflicting explanations and is used ambiguously in such a way that who knows what the word even means... apart from some using it for a fulcrum of manipulation, as in ''god says XYZ thing there for do what I say or else! (insert negative conditioning)


>artifical reality, makes no sense, what it shows or gives perception of as ''human'' is designed and functions in a way that is unlike what you are, slightly off, but it takes a while to notice it's core behavior is derived from a different methodology from your own, a different design... and the ''world'' seems to lack true cause and effect, what you see is not what you get and it isn't truly how it functions, perception is false reality

>reality devoid of multitude, there are not billions ''here'' what ever you want to consider here as...
>won't be honest about what is here and what here is but seems to hint at it and refuses to just be honest

Yes how strage, what if I was God? What is God though... I am unsure of what this word means, just like ''soul'' what is a soul exactly? I don't understand...

And death... to die or lose your soul, if the reality exists in a causal state of hostility towards you, is it important to continue experiencing it indefinitely? is destruction of one's self or ''soul'' the incorrect thing to do when the administration to that which you experience is against you and some sort of automated pattern rather than a person/being?

>>41819793
>Yes how strage, what if I was God? What is God though... I am unsure of what this word means, just like ''soul'' what is a soul exactly? I don't understand...


And furthermore, what would even make this label important to me to begin with? Why should I care or place importance on a specific name or title?

>B) Never reveal yourself directly to most people. Instead, send a prophet or a son into some desert place, allowing books to be written about it. These texts are later edited, altered, forged and endlessly debated. No definitive proof is provided, thousands of religions emerge (as well as millions of people becoming atheist) and humanity spends millennia arguing and waging war over which religion is correct.

Why would cause and effect have to take place in a world truly devoid of such a thing? Likewise why would artificial actions ''prove'' or verify anything, if the world can't remain consistent in actions and cause, why would the causes or actions of the world be taken seriously as any form of sincerity or honest effect?

>>41819753
There are prophets telling some different shit all over the world.

>>41819700
It's obviously A but christcucks, muslimcucks and jewcucks will never admit that.

>>41819700
off topic
>>>/his/
nothing relating to /x/ retard

I pick B)
If I made myself extremely clear to everyone, they would have no other choice than to affirm my existence. Such as no one would say that the sun is fake, hence I would - in effect - remove the choice to believe in me and in turn would remove their free will which would be an inherent evil and go against my hypothetical nature of being omnibenevolent

Also this is a shit hypothetical
MODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDS

>>41819834
Nigga you are retarded. People who KNEW God is real 100% and were exposed to his absolute glory in its raw form still defied him, see the fallen angels. So your logic is completely wrong.

Furthermore most religioustards are convinced free will exists in heaven despite literally chilling next to God. Get the fuck outta here.

>>41819834
concealing evidence and then asking us to accept his existence is a way of promoting irrational belief and gullibility ... not free will

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>Let's assume you are God.
whoa! there, the last time i thought that i ended up getting my shit rekt.
Uhhh are you trying to get me suicided?

>You are omnipotent
i'm not though.
> genuinely love humanity.
I do love humanity i mean i fucking made them
and wanted to BE them. i think i deserve this.
at least a minor creator of humanity title
but no i don't think i'm god
> back to being delusional
uhhh..... look ui'm not looking to get kill can't we skip this. i'm not suicidal anymore okay?

>Your goal is for humans to follow your rules
duh
>(if they want to) and ultimately end up in heaven with you.
also duh. why do you think i do my job for?

>Which option would you personally choose as God?
where i can be free and independent, but also love god and worship just like any other angel.
What is even the point of this question?

A)
Nope. people would kill me in real life, no cap.

B) Never reveal yourself directly to most people. Instead, send a prophet or a son into some desert place, allowing books to be written about it. These texts are later edited, altered, forged and endlessly debated.

I did this option.
because jesus is better then me his father.
and i don't want humans to know i did everything
I just let yahweh take the credit because i'm scared of him.

but being the only breeder of the family other than the one that made me mother and father.
I am not human.

I don't really care.
I just wanted to be acknowlegded that i bough jesus to the world
I didn't want to take crowns or anything
I i can't even interact with holy things anyway.

so whats the point
no these days hiding is my only option
you have no idea how many want me dead.

no thanks. beuing humillated and having my wings cutt off was bad enough.
no he hurt me too much.

I will never trust heaven or god nor will i ever show my self again.
I learned my lesson.

i just want my wife lilith of edom (the blonde one)
and my son jesus of galiee (not nezereth but a different kid blonde (tall musular man)

>>41819927
not reading all that sorry that happened or happy to hear

No.4181992
i am mommad btw.
and no i don't care what anyone says.

enlil and god can show them selves
But never me. I will never ever ever trust god adter what he did to me.

I am utterally ruined.
no even now i am broke and fat now. i would never ever want contact if i could.
he is way too scary nightmare levels.
nope. i'll stay idependant and insignacant and a hermit jsut so i don't even get a look at that thing.

dawg.
if you ever been hurt by god, holly moly its scary.
nope he still hates me and hurts me and sends people to harm his only perfect angel.

NOPE. he gives my name to everyone he hates.
I never want up in his face and i will never fight him ever again.
when you been so badly burned.
its not worth it man.

so no i think even if my delusions of wanting it
are never okay. just no.

I will ahve to eb okay with just being a prince and deal with it.
buit never again. ever.
that thing scares me like you wouldnt believe. nope better to just be quite and keep head down.

and if you had any sense you would too.

>>41819700
Be God
Nake yhe spirit of honesty and knowledge the exact same thing
Make learning and knowing effectively identical principals when not tainted by ego
Goyim get pissed that they're stupid when they only hold themselves to the standard of being stupid and thinking stupid thoughts.
Doesn't matter what happens retards talk more than retards think.

>>41819700
Id just design humans to follow my rules. This whole thing about designing humans to instinctively do the opposite of my rules and then having to go out of my way to tell them to go out of their way to follow my rules would be a waste of my sanity. Automate that fucking shit

>>41819700
C. Why not both?

>>41820224
How can B happen if A happened? It would be certain.

>>41820238
This is /x/ - Paranormal, you tell me.

>>41819700
but we've chosen to live inside a fake world within the real world. god has already condescended to meet us here and reveal the good news.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds

this post is just a front for -"God doesn't love humanity because bad things happen" anons

>>41820264
So you gonna admit that A makes a lot more sense than B or you just keep coping like a slave retard?

>>41819700
>Let's assume you are God. You are omnipotent and you genuinely love humanity.
A god that genuinely loves humanity would not send us to this shithole.
What IS even the point of humans given life on this existential plane? Testing us? God could have made us perfect, making the test unnecessary.
Furthermore, the bible states clearly that God KNOWS the future and how will everything turn out ultimately, so if you are damned he knew it before it happened, meaning God created you knowing you would fail.

The first one wouldn't have worked on me because it would just be an invasive nightmare by an authoritarian faggot and God is actually not just a bootlickers absentee father

>>41820426
The point is, it's not just YOU, it would happen to literally every human no matter what place on Earth which would confirm its divine (or at the very least "high magic") origin instead of having people fight over religions with 0 proof.

I would kill all life to spare them the suffering which I would inflicted on them. God is a retard.

>>41820429
That wouldn't prove anything babe. We are talking about humans. Some guy saying I should want to be with him a priori would give me the ick more than a sheltered 12 year old girl seeing a burn victim shopping at payless. You can't attribute personal motivators like that especially onto a social process (mass media)

>>41820453
Yes, if literally every human no matter what he or she believes, at every point in time no matter how isolated, in every culture even down to some isolated tribe in the forest got the same divine message in a vision at 12 years it would without fail prove that this is divine or at the very least performed by something with extreme power and reach.

>>41820483
extreme power, lol? This is your personal opinion. That a vision, or anything, would be sufficient or useful.
Removing the parameters on norms does not remove norms it simply creates new norms. Power and reach can suck my balls no cap.

>>41820495
You're literally fucking retarded. Name any method that would make EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH no matter where they are or what they believe in have the same fucking vision at the same age, if they want it or not. You can't name anything, because for that to happen someone would need powers that we can't even comprehend on Earth.

>>41820503
For it to happen doesnt require a factual explanation at all and it does not "prove the claim" in itself. Nothing can guarantee "proof" nor its subsequent acceptance to even a majority of humans. Its not complicated. You are confused. I could just say we kill everyone that obeys the alien lmao or something like that. Your shit is all retarded.

>>41820532
For it to happen something of EXTREME supernatural power would need to be at work. Even without such a display of power we have billions of people believe in religions because of random books with 0 proof. So combined with this, the % would be even higher.

>>41820541
Thats all you nigga

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It hurts like hell to know there is no God, but as horrible as humanity is, as horrible as it appears all life in the entire universe could very likely be if it follows the same scientific formula evolutionary pathway, would you even want there to be a God who exists and is responsible for such horrific suffering and horror?

Knowing it is just random and chaotic helps explain the immense horror and suffering that occurs here much better
Its just random, and everything is competing against everything else for limited resources, and torture, suffering, war, terror, horror are the default settings
If you find a small moment of hope, or slight happiness hold onto it as long as possible, for an ocean of hatred and death are fighting with everything they have to drown it far under the black waves

To imply a kind, loving creator would simply sit and stare and watch as you were tortured and enslaved is a horrible, horrible thought I dare not entertain.
To watch a mother begging with everything she has for her child to stop screaming in agony...
To simply watch....to simply watch.....the fucking horror of that....the fucking horror..

it implies there are those of us among humanity who have better, purer souls than the creator of reality...
Which bring us back to the point there most likely is no God, its just random chaotic RNG...
What we would call "Evil" is simply the default setting pathway that evolution follows for life in this universe..

Just a universe full of trillions of screaming mothers begging for their child to stop suffering....and the mercy never arrives....the creator never sends an angel down, they were not chosen to receive the creators love and light, as others are
Fuck them right creator?
Which is a pretty good proof there is no loving kind god, there is nothing....just parts of various sizes flying randomly through the void...
The kind, the evil, the rich and poor alike...when they die their consciousness goes black into an endless dreamless sleep

>>41819700
none, as God does not obey rules made by (you)

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>>41820238
You think that supernatural (ex-nihilo) is limited by the natural (human logic)?
ok buddy.

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FUCK
THE
KING

>>41820585
You can't even explain it.

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while option a does make more immediate sense, it does completely nullify the idea of faith - that is, believing in something even if it is not proven. but i think that sort of demand for unproven faith is a bit unfair (i still think the story of job is just fucked up). trust is a two way street.
that said i think if i were in a position of omnipotence i would focus more of reformation than punishment so i'm unsure if i'd even need hell. and even if people don't want to be with me that's fine, i'm not going to make hell some torture park or barren forsaken emptiness just because someone doesn't wanna be at my side

>>41820656
But how does it logically make sense to expect faith when people are offered 1000+ different religions with no proof?

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https://youtu.be/i1y5nqWSrZE?si=75DsfsV8K9NaINKX

Stare in wonder, who's here to bring you down?
Find your martyr, I'm sure you've made the crown
So, light a fire under my bones, so when
I
die
for
you,
at
least
I'll die alone

Dark devotion in a vacant paradise
Shows no emotion to a willing sacrifice
You can put a man on trial,
but you can't make the guilty pay
And you can cage an animal,
but you can't take away the
R A G E ! ! ! !

Ain't nothing for me to end up like this
There's no comparing me this time

All my heroes have now become ghosts
Sold their sorrow to the ones who paid the most
All my heroes are
dead
and
gone
But they're inside of me, they still live on

>>41820663
it doesn't, really. i'm just saying that if belief *without proof* is something important to a god then option a kinda throws that out of the water, which is why i imagine yhwh (among several, several others, really) goes with option a. sort of like a "you should be good for the sake of being good, not because you know you'll get a reward" deal. i may be struggling to fully articulate i only recently woke up

>>41820717
>You should be good for the sake of being good, but if you're not good (and don't believe in me also) you will burn in hell forever.

That kind of ruins it.

>>41819700
desu , didn't most of the cristians pre whatever shit in the 2000s , did thought that god was a personal and common part of life , that might frequently talk with you (even if in wierd schitzo ways)

so I guess betwenn A) AND B) , a lot of this 4chan problem seems more so just out of modern religions autism , american religios autism , than a complete problem of the faith , but it seems like its imposible to both hold something you are critical off.

>>41820722
yeah, i agree. i have my critiques of abrahamic faith, but i also have no idea how much of that is the *actual* word of the lord and how much of it is an altercation that comes from the bible going through a 2000+ year long game of telephone, with language barriers, biases, and personal agendas alike all changing the narrative. i think ideally, the abrahamic god doesn't actually work like you described but rather that is a twist of the original scripture authored by theocratic rulers looking to fearmonger (or in more modern terms biblethump). but again, that's idealistic.
i'm not of any abrahamic faith myself but i find it (and most topics really) interesting to pick apart, dissect, and deconstruct from a critical viewpoint

Were man to believe only that which he sees and understands, would he be giving honor to God thereby? Assuredly not.

If the truths proposed for our acceptance were so clear and comprehensible that we could not reasonably refuse our assent, their acceptance would in no way be meritorious, for the merit of faith consists in this, that we accept and believe the truths proposed, freely and without constraint. St. Gregory expresses this truth in the following words:
>"Faith loses its merit when human reason furnishes a proof."

Our Blessed Savior commends those who accept the truths of faith without being able to perceive or comprehend them.
>"Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed."
John 20:29

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>>41819700
So I give them free will, but they only end up in heaven as long as they do what I want?
Wow, I must be a real insecure psychopathic piece of shit.

>>41819868
>People who KNEW God is real 100% and were exposed to his absolute glory in its raw form still defied him
That's because God is an insecure psychopathic piece of shit.

>>41820577
>it implies there are those of us among humanity who have better, purer souls than the creator of reality...
>Which bring us back to the point there most likely is no God
No, it brings us to the inescapable conclusion that God is an insecure psychopathic piece of shit.

>>41820663
God gave us one (1) Church. Man (under the influence of the Devil) gave us 1000+ false religions and heresies. It's not difficult to identify which Church that one (1) Church that Christ started is. Protip: it still exists today.

>>41822866
>God gave us one (1) Church.
Prove it was God and not man-made.