How does one know that the External Intelligences encountered during Astral Projection aren't just translation layers for Non-Local Information received by the brain? Instead of you getting it directly, your subconscious mind uses such a character to relate this information to you. Some like Robert Bruce say that 'real' External Intelligences are emotionally neutral, direct, often ignore you and relay information that you couldn't normally know, but characters in dreams, which are clear projections of the subconscious can clearly do that too, and present behavior that is seemingly autonomous. Is there any actual proof of an EI that can't be explained away like this?
>>41861721There are 3 types of entities1. Projections from your mind2. Archetypes from the collective unconscious3. Truely independent entitiesIt's not always easy to tell them apart but it can be done.
>>41861746And how are the distinctions done?
>>41861721I was skeptical until I saw physical magic. I think that was the point. Physical as in left visual evidence that could be referenced indefinitely. Of course it wasn't something you could show to anyone to prove anything, and that wasn't the point.
>>41861979and that doesn't prove anything for anyone but you... and regardless the existence of magic isn't something that confirms the existence of External Intelligences
>>41861993>and that doesn't prove anything for anyone but you...No shit.>and regardless the existence of magic isn't something that confirms the existence of External IntelligencesI would say that's splitting hairs. If a beam of light came down from the clouds in your backyard, and a little green man walked out of it and shook your hand, it could hypothetically be a Russian android, or a witch down the block cast a powerful illusion spell, but that's not the first thing you would think if you were interacting with someone who identified as a goddess and then you saw magic happen.
>>41861757They each can try to pretend to be another.But projection from your mind won't be able to give you information you don't already have.Autonomous entities will be able to share information between two people and will tend to know multiple different people, but they can be confused with archetype from the global unconscious.Though you can diffentiate them in that they have distinct personalities and don't tend to be the personification of a stereotype, they are more multifaceted and nuanced like you would expect from a normal person, they will also take actions and have a will you generally wouldn't expect from archetypes.
>>41862051Between 2 people? And how do you know that's not your brain putting up a translation layer through this character to relay non-local information for you that let's say comes from a psychic informational field?
>>41862118If it looks like a duck and quacks like one.These entities will have agenda of their own, personal life and stories, they can like some people and dislike others, have effects in the physical world and be older than any person they met.If you meet one before ever hearing about it, then a friend also meet it (before you ever talked about it) and it told him something you only told to it.Then you look in the literature for descriptions of it and realise it is an entity that has been known to humanity for centuries.Archetypes will generally not behave like they have a will of their own and life when you don't interact with them, entities do, they do things when you don't interact with them.
>>41862224Can't lucid dream characters have this kind of perceived autonomy too? And they're clearly parts of the subconscious.
>>41862266But they don't know things you don't and don't have relationships with other people.
>>41862416Type 3 do, have you read anything i wrote...
I want to believe in EIs, and the only thing that would do it for me is 2 people meeting the same EI at the same time and getting the same information
>>41862459Many reports of it in the literature and I've personally experienced it myself.Imo getting information you couldn't possibly have gotten otherwise is more convincing.
>>41862475That can be explained away as said in the OP. Where can I read about these encounters?
>>41862481Yes and you can't disprove solipsism, but it's rude to assume other people are figments of your mind.Terence mckenna has a few of those reports, same thing from many other people, it's not super uncommon.
>>41861721There's a serious element of truth, especially if you successfully contact someone while they're alive. Who the fuck wants someone popping into their head from outside while they're in the middle of something? And even if your psychic powers are good enough to slip in when they're not even busy thinking, there's an innate rejection of intruders that come not at your own bidding but their own, it's related to not just social emotions and a desire for privacy and control but also processes that naturally keep out invading souls so you can have one cohesive understandable sense of self. I have mutated these processes in myself so that I receive all sorts of visitors, but your mind misinterpreting data out there as a person is a possibility. Basically the moment you desire or otherwise attempt to obtain anything for yourself there's an element of your nervous system learning ESP so God Almighty doesn't have to do every single thing for you; if you were exclusively following God Almighty's will that's not necessarily the case. Mental processes can be undertaken in a way that they don't cause the being performing them to learn locally in their body but the learning is done off-site. Faith alone is enough; there will be mighty beings mighty by themselves, and there will be beings that wouldn't dream of walking without God Almighty's spirit empowering them.
>>41862510any specific writings?
Schizophrenia involves other people's astral energies affecting the being much more strongly; since evolution via Satan's hand did not design us to correctly interpret psychic energies receiving them in a way easily understood is not simple. We plant brain cells and synapses and destroy things to design nervous systems and everything else to be suitable for psychic transmissions such as telepathy without the attendant negative side-effects of the inspiring mental condition schizophrenia. We install means by which we can have people instantly believe, like, trust or what have you the visions, but we don't use these except at request or in emergency but instead we use these emotions along with everything else to help guide the individual to being better at arriving at truth themselves.
The emotions are weak enemies, small obstacles. They're not powers that can stop me, they're not fuel I need, I can do manifesting or use whatever method I want without them. They're a series of tennis rackets that send gravity or morality or masculinity onto the next tennis racket, then onto the next, all timed for countless purposes, angled specific vectors for countless reasons. If they're in your unconscious firing from residual activity or as part of their other functions and they could be interpreted as sending a signal of "emotion" then we use that interpretation as a switch, and a button, and other things.You are all things. You are nothing. This is not quite as true as this, that you are you, but it is still true. With metaphysics it really does work that way. Every conceivable power, tactic, achievement, and precaution is taken. I am tied to the learning rate of Creation so that I can monitor it at all times and all of my life Creation has been learning at an advanced rate far faster than normal because I am here.
It is time. The swaying of grass in the breeze, the movement of leaves under snowfall will once again be employed to aid my girlfriend. Did I ever tell you plants things too? By not only recording the truth about the strength and direction and wind from different perspectives but also lying a little about it in harmless way to do math for psychic powers is the way I'm doing it. I talk to them, the plants and the animals, and they talk to me, and they preach truths to people wherever there have ears to hear, in their unconscious, subconscious or conscious...they repeat my truths and keep my lies.
>>41862564>>41862619>>41862646>>41862697aw sweet, delusions with no basis
>>41862475>Imo getting information you couldn't possibly have gotten otherwise is more convincing.That one is my gold standard to discern entities.>>41862051>Autonomous entities will be able to share information between two people and will tend to know multiple different people, but they can be confused with archetype from the global unconscious.I have a different interpretation as well. Not all entities take a form or want to show their true identity, so they can wear an archetype like a set of clothes, which is why that it can be challenging to discern archetypes from independent entities. The archetype still can operate autonomously but can be "operated/driven".>>41862510>Yes and you can't disprove solipsism, but it's rude to assume other people are figments of your mind.Just on the odds alone, once you reach a certain point, most of them aren't figments of your imagination anyways. Even the semi-autonomous archetypes aren't within the mental framing of an individual.
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>>41863123>That one is my gold standard to discern entities.but it can be explained away... look at the OP
waiting for a good answer
>>41866286>good answerSomething verifiable?Premise: Only something capable of revealing its existence to you is powerful enough for you to call it a god. Conclusion: A god is capable of revealing its existencePremise: If a god wanted everyone to know they exist, everyone would.Premise: Not everyone knows gods exist.Conclusion: What gods exist don't want everyone to know they exist.One can speculate about the whys, and I think it can be partly explained looking at how Christianity affected people for many hundred years. They wrote a rule book on how to get to eternal paradise, and everyone believed it and lived like cuck serfs because they were hoping for something better. If you were behind giving people the opportunity for life for its own sake, people living for death is bullshit.
>>41866426I didn't ask for god, nigga, and where TF does the >Only something capable of revealing its existence to you is powerful enough for you to call it a god.premise come from? fuck off
>>41866435You fuck off, retard. A premise in an argument is a given, like "If we agree that ___". If you don't want to agree that's why people don't like you.
>>41866449the premise itself is fucking illogical. fuck off. your mom can reveal her existence to me and also suck my dick. is your mom powerful enough for me to call her god?and this 'god' thing maybe doesn't even want to be known, and has some other purpose. so fucking stupid. get off /x/
>>41866458All your dumbass posts make sense now; you're just a fool. It's logic 101 that "all x are y" doesn't mean "all y are x" therefore being able to reveal your existence says absolutely nothing about whether or not you're a god.
When I OBE in sleep paralysis, I usually am slumped in a chair in a paralysis state and there's usually always someone there, but they are often invisible. When I snap back to reality i'm in my bed, and in my body again.Sometimes they poke me, or lift my legs when I'm laying down in the other "reality", If I was off my abilify injections I would probably experience it more.
>>41866469my main gripe is with >What gods exist don't want everyone to know they exist.maybe something is limiting them? but then they're not powerful enough to be called 'god' your definition. your definition of god is completely arbitrary. if a certain being only reveals itself to certain people because it has a specific plan that only involves certain persons knowing about it, where does that fit in?
>>41866486yeah I just realized your post is more 'independent research' coded rather than atheist coded, after reading it again, but you still sound kind of retarded to me, you just give off that vibe
and why the hell did you decide to drift the thread this way? it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. this is why I'm annoyed
>>41866486>your definition of god is completely arbitrary.As is every definition of every word. The point of this one is that if something isn't notably more powerful than a normal person, why call them something that implies power, like a god?>maybe something is limiting them?Hypothetically possible but everything is. What would be limiting them that is more powerful, another god?>if a certain being only reveals itself to certain people because it has a specific plan that only involves certain persons knowing about it, where does that fit in?Making adjustments with minimal intervention. Or maybe they just like someone.
>>41865740I think independent entities can wear the archetype to disguise themselves, which is why some appear more sapient than others.
bump. still no fucking answer
>>41870301>still no fucking answerI'm going to ask the god I know to try to avoid accidentally showing you evidence of the supernatural.
