If a Christian uses black magick like goetia to solve a problem prayer can't, only the one time, does he go to hell or do you think its more akin to batman asking joker for a favour
its a bit like getting cheated on.
>>418631492 thessalonians 2 talks about how the severity of sin for witchcraft will be how those who delight in wickedness are those who are condemned to hell. Witchcraft is one of those sins that is usually a double sin because it's coupled with another sin, such as rape. However, if you're using witchcraft for healing or light purposes while still praising God, then you'll still be able to go into Heaven because of the Strong delusion sent at those times, which I think is that God is the only one capable of the unseen.
>>41863149I think you should think about what your afraid to ask God. Like I what you would go as far as the devil to get an answer questions. Think on this Who came first that means it was has to give.
>>41863149Pointless thread. A Christian cant use black magick. The term Christian means>follower of Christ (Jesus)or>like Christ (Jesus)So a Christian would never need to settle for less, because they would've have the power of the Almighty via the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.
>>41863383Youre an idiot.
>>41863149There is no Hell.All conscious beings are eternal and separate gods of our own dream realities.All unconscious dream characters are simply dissolved into the dream fabric or kept because a conscious being thought they were interesting.
>>41864099This is the only answer to the Vertinguous Question.I've solved it. Gig's up.
Dream characters who are murderers and rapists in my dream reality will simply be dissolved. They're ugly characters and I'm not interested in keeping them.I have no interest in torturing them in Hell. And when I go back up to my God Home, I'm putting this Earth simulation in the archive, marking it as a bad taste.
>>41863149Matthew 7:7 KJV[7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you
>>41864136OP has no understanding of the faith at all.
>>41864142What is impossible for God?
Witchcraft and black magick/white magick is useless shit that can neither help nor harm anyone.>buy this fucking useless amulet crystal or kill a goat so u can have special powersThe idiot christians think this will make demons hurt you and the idiot witches just want to make $$$ and both sides are stupid.T. have studied all religions and the occult and its pretty much useless.
>>41864159Nothing. OP just doesn't get it.
>>41864183>have studied all religions and the occultThis guy has the audacity to call others idiots without realizing how stupid he looks thinking studying equates to practice.
>>41864198Have also practiced it a few times, is useless. Occultists cant predict future, cant manifest objects into material reality, cant cause or heal illnesses. The only occult adjacent stuff that is somewhat beneficial is hemisync and meditation. But all the goofy ass overcomplex dumb ceremonial magic is a timewaster.
>>41864237You know nothing. Occultism is a joke when you see the full picture, dont get me wrong. But it's not fake like how you think it is. Same with Christianity. Buddhism is just energy manipulation and worldly spirituality.
>>41864237>uhh u gotta uhh do LBRP bla bla>uhh u gotta eat cracker and drink wine bla bla>ohh make sure u dont have cursed objects from witches in ur house so the ooga booga demonz cant get you>uhh well uhh actually u must have correct uhh astrological uhh time to do x y z ritual to make thing happenStupid superstitious shit.
>>41864257Simpleminded fool.
>>41863149No trve christian scotsman would summon demonsAnd if you think its good idea to summon utterly malevolent horrors beyond your conrehension you are legit retard
>>41864443I summon "demons" in videogames. You know whats scarier than alleged demons people claim to summon and banish? Humans in large groups with hypersonic weapons, explosive drone swarms and atomic bombs. But people want me to worry about playing videogames...
>>41863149You can be forgiven for literally anything you do but the consequences will not just not happen for you. If you want a demon in your life, you'll get one. You'll learn some pretty important lessons too. That is to say, don't do it.
you guys have it so easy. literally just go to a church and confess and you're forgiven, it's that easy if you have no allegiance to other deities. be aware that it is a bridge burner when it comes to other gods, but if the void-dwellers are bothering you christ is a nuclear option you can take.
>>41863383The bible does not bother to define witchcraft though, does it? King Solomon supposedly evoked those spirits to build a temple to his own god, so...
>>41865709Deuteronomy 18 talks about caanaanite witchcraft as the taking point examples of what witch craft is, so yes, Solomon did a great sin in his own God's temple and Israel was punished for it.However a strong delusion would be sent so some satanic schmuck can exalt himself as God in His temple. Clearly it's that magic isn't real, because all the guy has to do is some trippy shit to make it happen.Therefore Christians doing magick with or against the man aren't condemned to death or hellfire unless they delight in evil at the end of days.I think these anons are just miffed at the idea of the end of the world. Their unenlightened souls do not know that any good continuation of the future that doesn't result in the times of Noah has already happened with time paradoxes, those poor deluded people.
>>41863149>if I pray to an egregore and it doesnt help me, perhaps I can go to the egregore's arch enemies for halpngmi
>>41865922Well I reject Christianity outright as foreign beliefs from a culture hostile to me and mine anyhow. I am interested in the idea of contacting non human intelligences if they exist. When you consider how prevalent things like schizophrenia and extreme suggestibility are among the peoples of the Levant, it's most likely nonsense too.
>>41863149no, don't do thatstill you have free will and can and probably will do whatever mad thing you want fuckwit
>>41863383Rape ain't no sin lmao seethe foid only if the raped person is married or a child.
>>41863149> to solve a problem prayer can't,You ask and do not receive because you ask for the wrong things. (I think that in James). >does he go to hell You're allowed to sin, but genuine repentance would consist of truly feeling sorrow and disgust over contacting demons. That you feel its like rubbing sewage with a floor mop, so whatever you touch will inevitably turn to shit. That being said its also dangerous because what if you die at the moment you are steeped in the sin of calling demons to do works of evil? That would be quite bad. The demons will try to draw you in with noobie luck, and not show you the bill before your in too deep.When you work with demons they inevitably make a stain on your soul, and try to drag you in deeper. So you have to do works of repentance to rub off that stain afterwards. Reading Exodus-Leviticus-Numbers-Deuteronomy should invoke a fear and repentance state of mind. Some of the grimoires would mention reading the entire book of Psalms (5 hours of reading) on a daily basis. If you did that alone without any black magic, you would see amazing things happen in your life. Psalms are magical prayers that produce results. Also from a buddhist lens, chasing your desire can never make you happy. Demons are doubling down on your desire, but entangling you in an unhappy web of karma and desire. The final lot of a black magician is to go to the hells of the demons he works with, or perhaps a hell filled with sorceries like himself where everyone lives in fear of others curses. So yeah overall I can't recomend it. But that being said if you do deep repentence with months of praying and scripture reading, it will purify you again. But you should at some point develop a sensitivity that goetic demons is like rubbing a log of shit on your soul - you should develop a revulsion for it.
>>41864237Consider the difference between the following: >You: unemployed bum in his mothers basement asks to win the lottery and for a model girlfriend>Them: Taylor Swift agrees to act as a pied piper leading millions of woman into sin and hell in exchange for worldly fame and wealth>>41865709>The bible does not bother to define witchcraft though, does it? It says that summoning spirits is withcraft. Solomon also worshipped moloch, the baby eater demon.
>>41863149Hell and Heaven only exist in the present moment, hell is when you are messing with nature law so much that something is coming back to you with so much force that is sticking to you and making a mess of your life.
>>41863149oh shit brother ur going to heck
>>41865709Well let keep the train of thought, who did Solomon as wisdom from first. Would God tell him how to call sprints and not protect him and teach him rightly. Maybe that want to see and know is can be asked is God after all
>>41863149>prayer can't Its not that it can't, God answered your prayer, the answer was No. Your refusal of the answer itself earns eternal torment. Just the refusal. Before any sinful magic was done. A non-response to prayer, is a No response.
>>41871279God doesn't say know because we would go after it anyway, when we ask he put it further down the line till we fully understand and have no doubt that he the one answering or there something that answers the question the we have not thought of the God will give.
>>41871349Aks your parents a stupid question.Get the look with no vocal response.If you don't interpret that as a no, you deserve the beatings later.Same deal here, moron.
You are doing something else and are just calling it "black magic" because the church that indoctrinated us an the rest of society is blind. They will call The Holy Spirit "White magic" and if you want to see how stupid these people are look. They are not even sure if such a thing even exist, lmfao.https://vault.fbi.gov/temple-of-set/temple-of-set-part-01Don't put your faith in this "black magic" shit because it is not that. The people who call it that are the real black magicians. They pull the wool over everyone's eyes and call good evil and evil good.After Jesus showed up, Rome wrote the story. That is all you need to know.
>>41864237>Occultists cant predict future, The future is probable with many constantly moving pieces. Psychics can see certain events. >cant manifest objects into material reality, How can you manifest physical objects from the spiritual/non-physical into the physical? It would be more probable to manifest an existing object from somewhere. >cant cause or heal illnesses.You can. Curses and healing have been done for thousands of years.
>>41863149Hell is for the wretched and wicked souls who abuse and hurt others for their own benefits and amusement. It's a mental state and birds of a feather flock together, and so they'll do in the afterlife.Repentance is to recognize this and wanting to a better person filled with love and compassion, instead of hate, greed and anger.
>>41863149sorry anonall your magic was in your foreskinand your parents let a jew get to it
>>41864237>can't cause or heal illnessesTotally incorrect. I refuse to elaborate.
>>41871442Yeah but people aren't God you fall short comparing one who has limited knowledge to the unlimited knowledge of God to say that the answer wouldn't be one the calms the want then
