How does one really put themselves in the mindset or beliefs of someone they see as quite diametric from one's own? I believe a good magician should be able to do this, but I struggle .In Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson, there is an exercise for a magician/occultist about seeing how easy it is to shift into a radically different worldview, even personality. What about if I am unable to adopt some of the changes in this exercise?
It's been a long time since I read that book but I vaguely remember the exercise, something to do with reality tunnels. I found the concept useful but not his exercise. In my experience, stepping into a worldview requires immersion. Think along the lines of method acting or O9A insight roles. Just sitting on the couch and considering another point of view won't cut it.
>>41870645I have hesitations with this exercise, but it just proves this would be good for me to do. Specifically, there seems to be a few reality tunnels and belief systems that would be VERY difficult to understand or roleplay.
It's unbelievably hard. Normal human instincts give them some insight to each other, but this can be manipulated, and it's not 1-for-1; the local nervous system trying to imitate another must imitate it exactly in activity if not material makeup that causes that activity, and that basically never happens. The nervous system will try to imitate another and get close enough for use.I can pick up on people's emotions and thoughts incredibly easily, but imitating them? Much harder. And at all times we're trying to learn from each other psychically, to draw useful inspiration from those closer to how we want to be, and further from those far. We're basically trying to put ourselves in other people's shoes from our unconscious trying to find that greener field, wanting to mimic a certain experience while sacrificing as few biological changes as possible.I kill brain cells and create them in myself to make me better at this, other people too, and it relies on putting myself in other people's shoes to know exactly how they're thinking but also for manipulation; sometimes for the cell to be laid right I have to pretend I'm them for a moment. At any rate I can pretend to be multiple people in my unconscious and can choose which ones and their emotions and thoughts help me to direct psychic energy.Worse still is someone trying to pretend to be themselves, the human organism doesn't really have an instinct for this, and is terrible at guessing it's own reaction to new situations. Only situations the human mind has been in repeatedly can be easily guessed at, unless the behavior is innate to humans, like being good at driving cars; whether intelligent or retarded or inebriated humans show a remarkable ability to guess the order the traffic will move in, the reactions of drivers around them, even in the periphery view, from their unconscious. But not every mental process comes as naturally as driving. But the human animal is better at judging others than itself.
I've planted brain cells that help me to predict what others will think and feel in the future, and sometimes I feel them right before them and mark myself as them astrally, and their spirits will confuse themselves for me. I will delay signals in other people's brains and have mine arrive right on time too as a means of manipulation. This is particularly common in those that wish for The Almighty to replace what they are with him. Wishes can act almost like orders upon me, especially if they fulfill something I want too. Only then really, though it can be something I want but wish I didn't, planned but wish I didn't have to, but my will is done. Period. I see flying images of people who disobey me in this life time and I see them apologizing to me in the future beyond life in fear. It gives me life.
>>41871041I want to learn this skill, but ironically, the belief system and reality I want to method act is crazy. I want to understand a non-magickal, but religious worldview like being an evangelical or baptist, patriotic, and not curious about the world.
>>41871120This is tricky for me but potentially doable. You'd need nervous system changes from the outside to make you immune or nearly so to outside loosh, your nervous system would have to be designed to ignore the spiritual knowledge imprinted on it to make it anti-spiritual and your soul would cry out for the spiritual knowledge whatever your lying mouth said. So I could do it for you, give you some of that, but why? Why imitate the pedophile elite, except maybe as a though experiment?
>>41871041>>41871068how would i go about adopting the worldview and life for research, that of a scared religious heterosexual american man? someone quite patriotic and doesnt generally live a healthy life, eats shitty food, etc
>>41871132Can we discuss this more off of 4chan?
>>41871139No. If I wanted to have social relations with you I'd be pursuing them, like on Facebook or something. I've met far too many 4channers in Discord and real life already for my liking.
>>41871168I just wanted to discuss the method.
>>41871171>>41871168>>41871134>>41871132It's definitely a thought experiment, but it's also as a piece of knowledge I've overlooked. I want to understand the psyche of a patriotic, macho religious normie man. I've always been in alt circles and definitely open minded when it comes to the paranormal. I also care a lot about physical health, so it would be interesting to put myself in the mind of a guy who neglects that too. What should I eat to be that way?
>>41871171I find the voices of others repugnant, it makes me want to kill, and people who speak to me in a way that annoys me or that talk about useless things, asking too many questions about my method, etc. I planned at 5 when I'd remember, know, figure out, etc. these things and it can't be rushed, for accomplishing some things psychically I must hide knowledge from myself until the appropriate moment. I did not plan to sit miserably in Discord being doubted by someone trying to offload their mental work to me. My system is equal parts intuitive and reliant on brain damage and growth, with a side of consciousness; you can already do it, and if for some reason you hit a road block, a brain cell out there or in you needs to die or grow. If you're not willing to do that, then I'd have to or have someone else do it; I grow impatient with walking people who refuse to do it right through the process.I haven't talked to anyone for social purposes except my girlfriend in about a year. I do no socialize. I have no time.Violence and obedience rule the worlds, harming brain cells and being obedient enough to grow one. If you're neither hot nor cold I have little interest.
>>41871196I don't want to doubt or bother you. Just get some directions on how to pursue it.
>>41871196>I feel strong violent urges towards anyone who doesn't immediately agree with me.You're a real charmer, Anon.
>>41871211Most people think so, despite not liking me. I get violent urges toward them because they merit violence being committed upon them, and all the whimpering in the world won't change that you scum.
I planted about a dozen brain cells in my brain to make human speech less repulsive to me. That was one of the reasons I told you, so that you'd give me that idea, not that I remembered that consciously.It's not that easy though. I find all speech repulsive, including alien speech in my head, because my brain mixes it all up into a disgusting mess, besides the sinful nature of you all. And furthermore I've made more enemies recently defending Alex Pretti on /b/ and they are wishing that anything that would lead to my downfall would besiege me, which is looshing onto the easiest things to drive up in me to my detriment, my hateful violent nature. I'm doing psychic battle with them including talking to you and until I have them defeated my anger will be somewhat enhanced compared to usual. I'm also absorbing the anger of everyone angry about Pretti's death and they won't quit bothering me about it; it's just one man, I don't really care, but it presses on my mind, people begging me and angry with me because he's dead.And it's my stubborn nature, falling back on old habits. I don't even like Pretti, but I used to be very outspoken about liberal politics.Some of ESP is designed around keeping me as angry as feasible, helps me manifest destruction. My mind will even lie to me if it has to to get me angrier, after I hear everyone disagreeing with me in universes (not allowed) and that's not enough anger my brain will start exaggerating how disgusting everyone but me is. If targets need destroyed in me, I'll hate myself along with you.
>>41871296Still, trying to understand how this helps my goal...
>>41871325To get me to shut up? Well it doesn't you sack of shit.
>>41871132>>41871333Can we go back to the topic?
>>41871357We are. I saw what you were up to, and since you wouldn't shut up, I'm not hiding it any more.
>>41870645He hides where?But does he own the place?
>>41871377A king owns the place you are on his land that he saw first not you and yes that is the definition of a kingdom. But what is the kingdom of Heaven like?
>>41870552You have to be smarter than everyone because you can scale down your intellect but not up.
>>41870552What you are talking about is empathy. I can do this rather easily but choose not to most of the time because I do not wish to. It's like trying to fuck a hideous hag. Sure, you can do it if you really want to but why would you want that?It's like Will Graham in Hannibal. Sure he can solve cases others cannot because he can become the murderer empathically, but it takes a tremendous toll on his psyche.
>>41871120Faith for people like that is like a nice comfy blanket they wrap themselves in to hide from the boogeyman of evil and death. Like a child.
>>41870552???This is difficult for people? I suppose it is. >What about if I am unable to adopt some of the changes in this exercise?Just try to honestly understand and see things from someone else's perspective. I mean, try the understanding part first. You'll disagree as you are now, but wrap your head around various issues. Like the abortion issue. Maybe you're pro abortion for all the reasons there are. Now see it as a moral affront and outright murder of a potential human being. that sort of thing
>>41872605There is a profound lack of empathy in the world today.
>>41872626Yeah, true. Such an injury. Wish I had psychic powers to infuse some of these people with some good empathy.
>>41872862I think this issue stems from the fact that we communicate mostly by electronic means today. Without in person contact the mirror neurons responsible for empathy are not activated.
>>41871185Uhhhh. You are not gonna like the answer then.>I've grown up with a curious mind and interested in the occult, investigating existing structuresYou have to let go of this mentality first. There is nothing in the occult there is nothing to find here. It is for retards and soccer moms.>I want to understand the psyche of a patriotic, macho religious normie manAs I said the occult doesn't exist. The only thing that is real is your country and the religion it is built upon. Faith and country. That is what matters and not this occult nonsense.>I've always been in alt circles and definitely open mindedWhat you say is that>I have always been in love with gay retards and believe every bullshit I read on the internet.>I also care a lot about physical health, so it would be interesting to put myself in the mind of a guy who neglects that too.What you say here is<I always fall for fad diets and for idiotic influencers on the web instead eating steak and drinking beer like a real patriot!
>>41872894Certainly contributes to it.
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>>41870552Last bump.
>>41871214This how wild and rabid animals act like, anon, not rational and sane human beings. You need to get some psychiatric help for your mental health problems before you end up getting unnecessarily violent towards someone like a wild, rabid animal that you are, and end up getting put down like one too. Seriously, for your safety, and for the safety of others, go get some help, before you do something we'll all regret.
>>41874870Yeah he whack.
>>41874870I'm never unnecessarily violent, only necessarily violent. That's why you're about to lose some brain cells and that other pedo that posted beneath you.
>>41870552>h-how do I larp?You are on the larp board. Learn from the others,
>>41875017You are necessarily delusional is what you are, brochacho. Please take your meds and keep calm. Or other people in real life will do it for you once you inevitably chimp out and are a danger to society. Just a fair warning for a fellow anon. Thank you.
