WELCOME TO /hellenism/Worship the Theoi, debate philosophy, discuss rites, and dive deep into Platonism & the mystical traditions of Antiquity.This general covers:>Hellenic Polytheism / Classical cult practice; Modern reconstruction & devotional work; Neoplatonism, Platonism, and philosophical theology; Mystery religions: Eleusinian Mysteries, Dionysian rites, Orphism; Theurgy, mystical practice, and esoteric Hellenism; Gods, daimones, heroes, and the Unknown God; History, syncretism, and revivalist approachesCore Topics— Platonism & Neoplatonism>Plotinus’ hierarchy: The One Intellect Soul.>How does contemplation of the One fit into devotional practice?>Ethical living, virtue, and mystical ascent in a modern context.— Theurgy & Mystical Practice>Iamblichus & Proclus: ritual as communion with the divine.>How do you integrate theurgy with worship of the Gods?>Mystical techniques: chanting, visualization, meditation, sacred geometry.— Mystery Religions>Eleusinian Mysteries: Initiation, the journey of the soul, secrecy.>Dionysian Mysteries: Ecstasy, trance, symbolic death and rebirth.>Orphism: purification, the soul’s cycle, and divine knowledge.— Hermeticism & Hellenistic Magic>Hermetic Corpus: divine mind, cosmic correspondences, alchemy of the soul.>Relationship with Neoplatonism and ritual practice.>Practical Hermetic exercises and philosophical integration.>The role of daimones, personal tutelary spirits, and higher intelligences— History & Revival>Julian the Philosopher & late antique polytheism>Modern Hellenismos: reconstruction vs esoteric reinterpretation
FAQ>What is Hellenism / Hellenic Polytheism?Worship of the ancient Greek gods (Olympians, chthonic deities, heroes, daimones) using rituals, altars, and festivals. Modern “Hellenismos” often combines devotion with study of philosophy and classical sources.>Is it just “paganism”?Not really. “Pagan” is a Christian term. Hellenism is a living revivalist religion rooted in historical Greek practice.>What is Neoplatonism and why is it relevant?A philosophical system from Plotinus Proclus that explains the cosmos as emanations from “The One.” It influenced late antique Hellenism, theurgy, and esoteric thought. Devotees often integrate contemplation of the One with ritual worship of gods.>What is theurgy?Ritual practice aimed at invoking or communing with divine intelligences.>How do I start practicing?Build a small altar for gods you feel drawn to, offer prayers, incense, libations, or simple daily rituals, study classical sources (Homer, Hesiod, Plutarch, Neoplatonists), start philosophical contemplation and meditation alongside ritual.Resourceshttps://baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/p/the-beginners-guide-to-hellenismos.htmlhttps://hellenicfaith.com/julian-hellenism/https://www.hellenicgods.org/https://www.theoi.com/https://hellenicfaith.com/books-links-and-resources/https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomericHymns1.html - Homeric Hymnshttps://www.theoi.com/Text/CallimachusHymns1.html - Hymns by Callimachushttps://www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymns1.html - Orphic Hymnshttps://www.giornopaganomemoria.it/plethonhymns.html# - Hymns by PlethonOrganizationshttps://tradizioneromana.org/english-version.html - Pietas Comunità Gentilehttps://www.ysee.gr/index-english.html - SUPREME COUNCIL OF ETHNIKOI HELLENES
>>41920455Can get to Christ beardless boys to reach Godhood?
Tried to reach out to Hermes to get my foreskin returned and it didn't work. What's a guy gotta do to get a call back from the gods?
I want to say a bit about Apollo, a central and somewhat enigmatic figure in Greek religion and thought. As a god of reason, Apollo is associated with light, harmony, and proportion. He is the patron of μουσική (mousikē), which for the Greeks encompassed not only music but poetry, rhythm, and education more broadly. Apollo’s lyre symbolizes ordered sound, in contrast to chaotic noise, and his role as leader of the Muses places him at the center of intellectual and artistic cultivation. This aspect of Apollo aligns with the Greek ideal of sōphrosynē, moderation, self-restraint, and balance. At the same time, Apollo is the primary god of prophecy. The Pythia, Apollo’s priestess, delivered oracles in a state of inspired speech, often described as ecstatic or possessed. These utterances were famously ambiguous, requiring interpretation and reflection rather than straightforward obedience.Socrates stands as the clearest figure shaped by Apollo’s influence. The Delphic oracle declared Socrates the wisest of men, a pronouncement Socrates treated as a puzzle rather than a fact. His philosophical activity becomes an attempt to understand what the god could mean, leading him to examine others’ claims to knowledge and expose their inconsistencies. Socrates repeatedly attributes his mission to Apollo and describes himself as acting in obedience to the god. His daimonion, a divine sign that warns rather than instructs, reflects Apollo’s mode of guidance.Where, then, does reason sit in relation to prophecy? Is it its opposite, or the way we learn to live with it? Does clarity come first, or only after confusion has been endured? And what would it mean to take seriously the idea that philosophy began not as an escape from the divine, but as one of its consequences?
>>41920652>Where, then, does reason sit in relation to prophecy?You have to be a genius to figure it out ime. Do they make prophets geniuses beforehand, I don't know, but it's more like a game of 20 questions than reading a book, where there isn't even always a clear answer.
>>41920455Christianity and Hinduism is better
>>41921755Platonism contains the good parts of both of those
>>41921755Christianity is literally watered down knockoff for the Plebs
>>41921755No, Vedic polytheism > Hinduism
>>41922925>>41921802Ignore shill posts. 95% of posts online are psyops trying to pit people against each other. Don't let them divide you. Don't respond to shills. Stay on topic even if it kills us. They're so scared they're already producing anti Hellenic meme threads.
>>41920455Agios O Helios AniketosHelios/Sol (the sun) is the supreme visible god, under whom other gods acted as intermediaries.The sun is also a manifestation of the One, while gods are cosmic principles.The gods are not merely ritual objects,though, but intelligible forces through which humans can approach the divine.By the will of the gods do the prayers of mortals rise to the Unconquered Sun. Their intercession is expected.
>>41920652>Socrates stands as the clearest figure shaped by Apollo’s influence.So Apollo indulges pederasty? I guess that explains the Jesuits.
>>41920455Recently realized I was drawing a lot of favor from Hermes. Even had a dream where he gave me extra change in a transaction that included a giant silver coin. I have REALLY good luck. Pretty cool.Recently, I’ve expanded my gardening hobby to indoors. I have been hoping to draw some attention from Demeter as well to help all things along with that too.>any advice for paying homage to a patron already helping me?>or any advice for drawing some Demeter favor?
>>41924724If you wouldn't Hyacinth, you're a eunuch and probably closer to a Jesusite yourself
>>41924738You can do something like this>Wash your hands and face. Put on clean clothes.>Process to your altar or shrine.>Put on oil, perfume, or light incense.>Recite Hymn and Devotional Activities to Hermes>Give offerings to Hermes>Pour libation>MeditateFor the hymn, you can recite or chant the Orphic Hymn to Hermes>Hear me, Hermes, messenger of Zeus, son of Maia;>almighty is your heart, O lord of the deceased and judge of contests;>gentle and clever, O Argeiphontes, you are a guide>whose sandals fly, and a man-loving prophet to mortals.>You are vigorous and you delight in exercise and in deceit;>interpreter of all, you are a profiteer who frees us of cares>and who holds in his hands the blameless tool of peace.>Lord of Korykos, blessed, helpful and skilled in words,>you assist in work, you are a friend of mortals in need,>and you wield the dreaded and respected weapon of speech.>Hear my prayer and grant a good end to a life>of industry, gracious talk, and mindfulness.The traditional incense of Hermes is frankincense
Which God is underrated to main?
>>41925079Hey now I never said that, unfortunately I'm one of the Hyacinths.https://youtu.be/46n1WSuaxOs
>>41925380Pluto is underrated since he has total command of Chthonic magic. Neptune, if you want to get really esoteric.
>>41925336This is a very nice shrine. Is this yours?
>>41925380Just focus on the god most relevant to your daily activities
>>41924707>“He [Helios] carries aloft and lifts up our souls to the intelligible world.”>“The souls that he has thus freed he does not nail to other bodies… but carries aloft.” -Hymn to King Helios by Julian the Philosopher. Where Helios/Sol is, is basically the junction of intellect, soul and physical light. Helios/Sol is the image/manifestation etc. of the One within the physical world so our sun is far more than just another "star".And to make something a bit more clear, the gods are intellegent, personal, rational and willing but at the SAME time embodiments of metaphysical functions.Helios, the Unconquered Sun, is the supreme visible God, ruling beneath the ineffable One. He is the manifest image of the highest principle, and through him divine order flows into the cosmos.
>>41926733Other gods are actually emanations or functions of the solar principle.Sol didn't create them directly but they participate in his power. >The One = source>Sol/Helios = visible rulers>lower case g gods = governors of cosmic regionsAll other gods are the aspects of the Unconquered Sun. Jove is his intellect, Mars is his strenght, and Antinous... well...>>41925456And don't forget to praise the sun, before worshiping any other god.
>>41926780>>41926733Sol Invictus is not for everyone, like Mithra or Saturn. Everyone has their god. That is the beauty of polytheism
>>41926780This is Julian Hellenism, right?
>>41925456Tzeentch
Δευς Πάτερ
>>41928353Yes! Agios Helios Basileus!>>41927619But Sol is not merely one god among others. You are free to walk your own path among the gods. But all paths, whether you know it or not, are lit by the same Sun.O Sol, rerum maximus,mundi parens, lux aeterna,da pacem et victoriam.
Hymn to the Muses' Divine MadnessO Muses, daughters of Memory and Harmony divine,Who fill the Father's works with rhythmic breath and light,Pouring symmetry eternal through visible and unseen realms—Descend upon the gentle soul, the pure and docile heart! We hail Thee, gift primordial, source of all true song:Not craft of mortal mind, but possession from above,Illumination flooding the receptive vessel,Where the self yields, steps forth from its own narrow bounds,And merges in the uniform, the god-inspired flow. Call it possession, for Thou claimest the whole of what Thou movest;Call it madness, for the soul abandons her own acts,Forsakes the scattered thoughts, the hard resistant will,And dances tireless round the divine center—rapt, awake!
praise the gods.
>>41927619Christians have a hard time with this..."why worship others/the created when you could worship the One/the creator..." I see their logic in the question, but ultimately shrug. Why do you/you think a polytheist may choose to prioritize worship of a god over the "All Father/Creator," the god of gods?
>>41930182Not all people benefit from regular contemplation of eternity. Some people just need a goddess of the hearth or a god of fishing or agriculture, etc.
>>41930182The same reason if you want to buy a product or a service, you're better off approaching a salesman for the company instead of the founder. The founder is busy doing other stuff, the salesman is the one who can help you with that you want or need at that moment
>>41920455Hello, fellow Platonic anon reporting in. I've been asking many initiates about the daemons. Can any of you here please give your experiences seeing, hearing, smelling or tasting or otherwise experiencing something otherworldly?I will now conclude with a short and powerful evocative prayer.Hail all-powerful Isis-Tyche-Fortuna, queen of heaven, of the girdle, of seven scorpions, gatherer of all the Goddesses, bringer of the aether ambrosial, mother of Ra and most occult oracular fountain I declare you LOU LOU LOU BAUBO SOURI NAUBOUTOS OURI EEEEUUUUYYYYOOOOIIIIAAAA THARESIBATH ERISHKEGAL NISAOTH AAAEEEYYYIIIOOOEEE so I ask you to inwardly inspire us here through your daemonic retinue and bless these threads forever so we may have a constant opportunity to hold many fruitful dialogues.
>>41928494https://youtu.be/D2p5kx_l6zo
>>41926780All Gods exist undivided from eachother in terms of all being perfectly united to the One itself and completely undiminished and undifferentiated in this way. Each being a unity properly speaking or that which is a simple and complete whole after it's ineffable source. It is important to keep in mind hierarchy is only admitted in terms of their formal intellectual dominion which is posterior to them all and also a product of their procession. But yes, the highest Gods, the intelligible Gods, are in fact led by the Supreme Sovereign Ra-Khepri-Atum otherwise known as Lord Phanes Protagonos Erikepaios to the Greeks or the unconquerable Mithras-Sol-Aion to the Romans who represents the summit of all noetic activity, life and power and in every way the superior one in terms of his kingdom. I tell you now his mighty name is also called IAO SABAOATH to whom, by whom and through whom every God is united. You can see him as Dionysus as many did or rather Asclepius, maybe Ares perhaps Zeus or any of the Gods and Goddesses because he is all-in-all.
>>41930182Because we're supposed to recognize the goodness, deity, in all things respectively according to their own universal principles. Every unity is itself a evidently a complete whole and is thus each a self-sufficent totality and infinitely simple, a seamless hemming of the ineffable One. You could say Zeus is the Logos of consciousness, rulership and fatherhood and that Dionysus is the Logos of reconstitution, inspiration and spectacle. It is far more specified this way and technically exact. Xtians don't understand why we do this but it's not nonsense.
>>41930464It is wise to contemplate that fullness from the founts of your own native God, oikeos theos, and know thyself as it is said. Search for your series, everyone is in the train of a God.
/sppg/smol pp general
>>41920455Bump
>>41933511You should make that because YWNBAW.
>>41932768>I've been asking many initiates about the daemons. Can any of you here please give your experiences seeing, hearing, smelling or tasting or otherwise experiencing something otherworldly?Not a daemon, but as crazy as it sounds I have experienced Epopteia, an Epiphany of a goddess, whom I always interpreted to be Cybele, but it could have been Demeter or Aphrodite Urania even. It was a very intense experience. I had consumed psilocybin and began doing some rituals when I received a vision where I made contact with a golden woman. I made eye contact. Normally, if you look into the eyes of a painting for example you will feel nothing, it's a one-way experience. But looking into her eyes, I could feel someone looking back at me. And then when I made eye contact, it was as if she made me feel yes, this is real and this eye contact is the confirmation you need that is real.
not trying to be weird but i get the most sychronicities when i goon to gay porn lol. apollo has taken an interest apparently. new to hellenism so trying to figure this all out
>>41930182>Why do you/you think a polytheist may choose to prioritize worship of a god over the "All Father/Creator," the god of gods?Familiarity is a reason. I only know I met one, and if I tell people about her and what she showed me, and they haven't heard about others, that might be who they would worship. There were oracles of specific gods and if you lived there that might be who you worship. Kind of like a local sports team.
>>41935030I think sun + hedonism nets you a different sun god.https://youtu.be/_dkf2bbA25U
>>41935181>a different sun godWho tho? All I get is apollo
>>41920455"Hellenism thread"Ένα μάτσο larpers που δεν ξέρουν να μιλήσουν ελληνικά, προφέρουν τον γύρο "τζαΐρο" και νομίζουν ότι για κάποιον πούστη λόγο κάτι ελληνικοί θεοί θα ασχοληθούν μαζί τους.Τα αμερικανάκια σε αυτό το thread να γυρίσουν πίσω στο να δοξάζουν εβραίους. Όλοι οι υπόλοιποι έχετε δικούς σας θεούς, δεν έχετε καμία σχέση με τον ελληνισμό για αυτό αφήστε το larp.
>>41935030This was never accepted in traditional Hellenic societies. Please seek help. >>41935433Yeah, okay, as if learning to pronounce "gyro" correctly has anything at all to do with ancient Hellenism. Also, nice try saying it'd be better to worship the accursed set-typhon but your folly is not seeing that I, after witnessing the glory of true Hellenism, will never follow yehoshua ben yosef.
>>41935030Meh, I like lesbians, to each their own.It's entertainment.Women with strap-ons is my fetish...
>>41936300Funny way of saying that your appetites rule over your intellect.
>>41936313My 'intellect' is merely a tool I use to fuel my appetites.
>>41935215Idk probably the trans one.
>>41936288>Please seek help.Why tho? It was a genuine question. Was getting sychronicities from Apollo and decided to ask here lol. Idk what ur deal is.
I'm not a fan of platonism or neo-platonism as that is what in my view lead to Christianity and also underpins it. I also think that these dualist philosophies were preserved from antiquity on purpose. They are also very obviously in conflict with reality.Philosophically, to be a real heathen, Hellenist or otherwise, one must be panpsychist as that is what the Ancient Greeks (and other ancients!) truly were.
>>41935030You are a wide arsed degeneratehttps://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E?si=VEXPydhx3koC1KtC
>>41936447So mean :(
>>41936447Vidrel dude basically says certain nobles and scholars were Epsteins but that modern scholars mistranslate the 'eros' of pederasty because it was really just an intellectual love. 2 minutes after saying some Athenians had to hire bodyguards to protect their youths on the streets. I think there are better debunk videos kek.
>>41936436The origin of xtianity is jews and judaism not Greeks and Hellenism, of course, and their twisted megalomaniacal theology derives itself not from the infallible doctrines of Plato but from the kabbalistic schools, chariot mysticism ETC which were heretical Phoenician-Egyptian cults imitating the mystery schools. Also calling the Platonic tradition dualistic is an elementary error, shows how much your average "panpsychist" knows.
>>41936514Link better videos then. Also, say what you want about Epstein or his Island, the guy was straight...>>41936462If you want forgiveness, a gentle attitude towards degeneracy or even some fun time in the rectory basement, please seek out the Christian thread....
>>41936557You're all good anon, that video is steeped in credible information. There's almost endless citations that could be provided to prove that homosexual behavior wasn't at all accepted or normal in those days and it was actually very taboo and also illegal in most places.
I was having luck finding Mercury dimes, and I was thinking I should make an offering or something I heard the word mercurial. There was a jazz station on the radio, a song ended and the DJ used it. What should I do, read the Kybalion, or something?
>>41936556>wahh muh hereticsGreek polytheism has more in common with Ancient Egyptian religion than with Judaism or Christianity. Hellenism has a very rich tradition and whole epoch of history in Egypt, also syncretism. And Kabbalah or Jewish mysticism even has many borrowed Greek elements within, from the belief in reincarnation, to the practice of conjuring "spirits" i.e. angel/demons.Orthodox judaism has very little to say about any of the above, however and they want everyone to bow to their god.
>>41936584What a coincidence the well poisoning degenerate suddenly agrees with our Catholic priest who was already failing to discredit paganism right before the degeneracy showed up. Hm.>>41936557I'm just saying his name to bring up context of elite nobles or religious scholars doing things regardless the laws of the rest of the local populace. It's not too unfamiliar is it?
>>41936596I'm very serious about them being heretics. The virtuous and venerable Egyptians, Greeks and Romans in their surviving writings all corroborate this. They worship set-typhon a most foul cacodaemon and claim this being is none other than Bacchus as IAO ADONAI SABAOATH but he is not. They didn't just borrow these ideas they stole them to redirect the purpose of these powerful notions by inverting them only to be used as a spiteful spiritual instrument against the world. Also I have no issue with syncretism as I myself hold a syncretic faith, that isn't the problem.
>>41936633Well, similarly to slavery, I see that as a function of civilization more than anything. And the Greeks were indeed civilized... >>41936736Yes, Yahweh, originally, with all his fire and brimstone is probably a chtonic and volcanic deity, who over time underwent a transformation, got a gradual makeover. I recommend reading pic related, there's a good essay about Yahweh's transformation from a fire deity to a purported "universal" sky god. You do raise a good point there. The Jews did take up much of the magic and religious practice of the Greeks. However, the transformation that did occur was from the exoteric to the esoteric, the Gods of the ancients, who were meant to be venerated publicly were debased into demons meant to be manipulated, bound and feared, they were forced underground ( Aphrodite or Venus for example, became Lucifer), while Yahweh, the fire demon orginally, became elavated above everything. This is indeed the judeo-heresy at hand. The solution is to grow some balls and to venerate the Gods of our forefathers in a public and dignified setting, build them shrines, give them offerings.
"Lastly, after essential heroes, an order of souls follows, who proximately govern the affairs of men, and are dæmoniacal according to habitude or alliance, but not essentially. These souls likewise are the perpetual attendants of the Gods, but they have not an essencewhollysuperior to man. Of this kind, as we are informed by Proclus in his MS. Scholia on the Cratylus, are the Nymphs that sympathize with waters, Pans with the feet of goats and the like. They also differ from those powers that are essentially of a dæmoniacal characteristic in this, that they assume a variety of shapes (each of the others immutably preserving one form) are subject to various passions, and are the causes of every kind of deception to mankind. Proclus likewise observes, that the Minerva which so often appeared to Ulysses and Telemachus belonged to this order of souls."- Thomas Taylor, Book VII, Chapter XLV, Theology of PlatoThe true interpretation of this seems to be satyric and nymphic orders of souls aren't daemons according to the strictest meaning in terms of them being those spirits most proximately conjoined to the intellectual Gods, but yet they can still be considered daemoniacal in a sense regarding their habitude. The nymph and the satyr are each allocated and attributed in activity to mundane and terrestrial concerns, especially those of mortals, by their substantial nature E.G. forests, mountains, plains, rivers, oceans, wells. So they being more differentiated in this way in their substance and they are indeed liable to passions and deception which isn't to be taken as misdirection to malevolent ends but rather a byproduct of their material fabrications. As to their multifarious appearances this is also explained by their mundanity, as matter can take on any shape itself and being as intimated as they are they can assume different shapes and guises appropriately related to with what they're substantially associated.
>>41934946I really do believe you and figure you're telling the truth. Although epopteia may not be the correct word for that is the kind of mystical revelation reserved for prophets. This sounds more like a profound impression upon the phantastikon granted to you by some benevolent intermediary figure who was using the eidetic visage of a beautiful woman to convey to you some special message. What if any meaning did you take away from this encounter?
"They (Gods) employ, however, terrestrial and partial spirits in the generations of some of the human race, not physically mingling with mortals, but moving nature, perfecting its power, expanding the path of generation, and removing all impediments. Fables, therefore, through the similitude of appellation conceal the things themselves. For spirits of this kind are similarly denominated with the Gods, the leading causes of their series. Hence they say, either that Gods have connexion with women, or men with Goddesses ... Proclus adds, that heroes are very properly denominated from Love, since Love is a great dæmon: and from the co-operation of dæmons heroes are produced ... Plato who was one of these heroes or demigods, was the offspring of Apollo in the way above explained by Proclus, as we are informed by Olympiodorus in his life of him. For he says, “It is reported that an Apolloniacal spectre had connection with Perictione the mother of Plato, and that appearing in the night to Aristo the father of Plato, it commanded him not to sleep with Perictione during the time of her pregnancy—which mandate Aristo obeyed.” - Thomas Taylor, Theology of Plato, Book VIIThe secret and sweet theurgic path of love is herein highlighted, plebs won't understand anyways. I wouldn't expose this unless I thought the time was right as Proclus himself tells us to keep this from the many.
GGOGORGORGGORGOGORGOPGORGOPHGORGOPHOGORGOPHONGORGOPHONAGORGOPHONASKeeps away chthonians, I go to bed now.
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>>41939404>Love Interesting presentation from proclus here. Alot of interesting implications in theurgy for this. We know that their neighbors in India were practicing meditation on love....wonder if there's a similar variant in the Mediterranean that's been lost to time? We kn
>>41936317At least you own it fully, which I can respect.
>>41941359 (You) #>We kn*We know that platonic tradition was teaching some forms of meditation.. >>41936288 #>Falling for the baitDon't pay attention to shit posters. They come on to poison the well and distract from the conversation.Ancients had a different sexuality than us modernly. But they sure as shit never would become fucking gooners. Whether they were fagging it up or straightening out, their sex was based around embodied experience. Not Masturbatory Dissociative Psychosis.This dude is an implant to try and contaminate paganism and pagan sexuality.>>41938547If the nymph and satyr can be regarded as daemons, does that mean that all of the nature spirits can be regarded as such as well? Are the dead also daemons? Also, could we get the breakdowns on presentation for pagan theology of plato in simpler language? I would appreciate it a lot. I'm struggling to understand some of the wording, if I'm being honest. And If I am, others are probably not quite up to grips as well.
>>41930182The majority of pagan systems did not have a "supreme god". Pagan philosophy will introduce, at times, a concept of "the one". This one may be personalized or unpersonalized. It may be the self of all things, or interconnecting forces. What plato & Parmenides call "monad" is what the Indians called "Brahman". This is an animistic force. It isn't The Top God in the strictest sense of the word. It *can take on those features*. But this is a reflection of the divine intellect within you, not the end of the story. This has two functions. One, it brings about the core pagan ideal; everything is balanced. There are different forces, they may collide with each other, but they are mutual. They are in sync. When they are not in sync, that is when problems begin. How can you stay in sync with these forces? That's where the importance of practice comes in. The second function, is that it allows the worshipper to find his god or gods that he is most applicable towards. What suits his person? His family, even? Is his a city god, or a farming god? Does he pray to luck or Ward away nemesis? What is right for him, at this place and this time? He may choose a single god, or he may avail himself to a plethora. It all comes down to how best he can set himself right with the forces of the world. In doing so, he is brought back to monad. Instead of a clash of chaotic forces, they are unified in balance. He is mindful, his life is fun, and he does not fret over what he cannot control.
>>41941523In this sense, every god he may choose is effectively Monad for him. This being the case, we also see something else clearly. While the god who embodies creation, or time, or some other such weighty concept is of excellence to the normal philosopher, it is not applicable to the farmer who has no interest in such things. This is a major fault of Christianity and modern monotheisms. They want you to have a one-siz-fits all god. This creates tension, anxiety and lackadaisicalness for people who are not suited to the 'intellectual' god of the christians, who supposedly embodies all of existence. This is a foreign concept to someone, for example, rural and concerned with his home and his kin. What use does he have for this god? He will spin out his wheels trying to "interpret" it, or he will simply let it fall to the wayside and have it be a blasé aspect of his life, if that. Whereas, otherwise, he could associate with the wild nymphs of his land, his hearth goddess, the gods of family, and find himself much more suited to this.If you try to approach religion with "one size fits all" god mentality, it creates decay and destruction of religious life.
>>41941443>If the nymph and satyr can be regarded as daemons, does that mean that all of the nature spirits can be regarded as such as well? Are the dead also daemons?>Also, could we get the breakdowns on presentation for pagan theology of plato in simpler language? I would appreciate it a lot. I'm struggling to understand some of the wording, if I'm being honest. And If I am, others are probably not quite up to grips as well.I'll try and make this simple. We should not consider the souls of dead men, beasts or plants to be daemons, but every other spirit, I.E. non-material intelligent non-human being, may be considered a daemon in a broad sense including the heroes, nymphics, satyrics and so on. This is since their natural agency, or will, is to act as servants to the Gods as builders using their ideas to govern creation such as the trees, forests, groves, plains, mountains, rivers, lakes, wells and, really, all things in the bounty of material nature are given to them. Though with this being said they are said to be confusing to deal with, opinionated or led by their desire at times but this due to their inner nature being closely tied to the ever changing fabric of our material world and their great concern for the goings on of mankind, it's not because any bad motivations, they are good creatures. Also they can change the way they look to men because of this same closeness to matter which, being an unlimited potential, itself changes shape into all kinds of things and takes on many appearances. Hope this helps.>Don't pay attention to shit posters.Just giving us bumps, they aren't keeping me up at night, but I just can't tolerate nonsense. Thanks for the reminder though anon, haha.
>>41941523>That's where the importance of practice comes inYou probably don't need a practice to uphold balance on a personal level, which could be done without any religion. I think practice truly comes into place when you live in a way that has a major destabilizing effect on the land that is difficult to mitigate through mere care and reciprocity. Humans have a capacity to delay the destructive consequences of imbalance years, generations, even centuries into the future, depending on their technological level and the peculiarities of the environment. Sometimes these imbalances may be imperceptible, that's when a magical/religious practice truly comes into place, directing human activity in a way that does not disrupt the larger balance while covering the blind spots. Then again, such a practice is at odds with civilization. It corrodes over time.
>>41936288>set-typhonI never got that. Set is the protector of the Solar Barge, a keeper of Ma'at, he is the destructive force that sweeps away untruths. He's opposed to the Chaos Serpent. Isn't associating him with Typhon a corruption of the Egyptian belief?
>>41941819>You probably don't need a practice to uphold balance on a personal level, which could be done without any religionI'm not gonna respond to your whole post, just this part here. Correct practice is a foundational part of Hellenic, indeed generally "pagan" religions. You can't have Hellenism without correct practice. All of the religion is about how to show up in life in a way that honours it and is in sync with it. This is why many philosophers stressed the need for things such as moderation. This is also what crucially sets it apart from modern religions, which borrow the novel concept of "orthodoxy" from Christianity. Whereas new religions are based around ideology and correct belief, old religions are practical and about what we can do that brings us and the world around us definite benefit. This is why in greece, leisure and fun was highly important. Even education, is set into this way. Practice isn't JUST the ritual. It's a whole entire world of things. It's a good world, and I invite everyone to join it. There's freedom, sweet air and good festivals to be had.
>>41941904>Isn't associating him with Typhon a corruption of the Egyptian belief?Yes, that's why they're heretics. They invert the symbols and images of this or that deity in an attempt to manipulate and abberate mundane order. The Gods themselves cannot be evil and I praise Set, Saturn and Cronus as perfect unities.
Do we have any good YouTube channels that discuss Hellenic religion? (Including modern practice?)>>41941763That was incredibly helpful. Thank you!
>>41941985Youre welcome anon. Also, try watching the channel called "Understanding Plato".
>>41941359>wonder if there's a similar variant in the Mediterranean that's been lost to time?Aphrodite Urania (literally Queen of Heaven) was described as a kind of divine love permeating the Cosmos. This cult evolved into Mariology eventually
>>41941443>This dude is an implant to try and contaminate paganism and pagan sexuality.Oh fuck off im not an 'implant'. I came in asking a legitimate question stop being a pearl clutching little bitch about it. All I did was ask why Apollo seemed to be reaching out and you guys zeroed in on the gooning aspect when you didn't have to.
>>41943251Don't worry, they are just corrupted by the false impersonators of our true shared heritage..or they are active agents of them. Rest assured that logic and reason will soon prevail.
>>41933594>YWNBAWyahweh?
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>>41920455I wish nothing but the best for you hellenist bros
