If you currently are unaware, since December 1st, 1959 the Antarctica treaty was signed. Making it so that you are unable to step onto Antarctica. Only authorized through military personal...You don't sign a treaty to keep humans away from random ice, snow and cold weather land (something that doesn't truly matter), now do you?It is quite obvious that they are hiding something big from us. Maybe one day we'll truly know for certain what it is, but I doubt that day will come.*For those of you who are unaware, Antarctica is not a continent. It is a giant ice wall that surrounds us. If you think it is a continent you are sadly mistaken. Notice their CGI pictures of earth, it truly shows there.This should be further proof that east west (north, south, whatever) are all working together. It is a collective effort to deceive humanity.
>>41921185What happens if someone from a country that did NOT sign that treaty tries to go to Antartica?
>>41921245Not important enough/not in the know
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>>41921174no such thing. there already a flat earth thread anyway>>41868247
>>41921174Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight paths Wow, that was easy.Now that i solved it for you, we can go back to Epstein threads and predict when anudah shoah will start.
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>>41923969>>41923967Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.Now that i solved it for you, we can go back to Epstein threads and predict when anudah shoah will start.
>>41923967such a bullshit meme. over the distance you can see in that pic its basically flat anyway. 1 degree of curve over 70 miles of distance on the surface.yes, i know flat earthers simply cant understand scale.>>41923977i wish they would post about the 16 emergency landings that they claim proves the earth is flat. its always another good opportunity to show just how stupid they really are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica_Cup_Yacht_Race
>>41921245Good question actually lol
>>41923945And the ISS has a straight path when observing from Earth gg
>>41921174earth is a *rotation* of *knowledge*! like a sun-tan.
>>41924225FEers bear knowledge because they *know* the *ledge*
Flatties never addresses this problem instead they lie to themselves and others by saying that the sky can't tell you anything about the shape of the Earth just so they can keep living in a fantasy world.If the Earth is flat with a rotating dome centered at the north pole then why do we observe two celestial poles in the sky? All stars towards the south should be moving in straight lines parallel to the horizon but they don't. They circle around a point just as the stars do in the north.Again, notice that no flat earther will address any of this or give an explanation for how it could work in their model. Instead they will either ignore this post or just call me a "shill" or "glowie".The attached video is how the sky rotates when standing on the equator. We can see that the stars rotate around two points that are 180° from each other. One is on the horizon to the north and the other is on the horizon to the south.If you instead were standing north of the equator the north celestial pole would be above the horizon at an angle corresponding to your latitude and because the two poles are 180° from each other the south celestial pole will be below the horizon at the same angle.If you're south of the equator it's the same thing but in reverse. Then the south celestial pole will be above the horizon at an angle corresponding to your latitude and the north celestial pole will be below it at the same angle.This symmetry is expected and rudimentary to explain and understand on a spherical Earth.If any flatties disagree with me then go ahead and show me how all of this could work on your model. If you can't then maybe you should consider that your world view is flawed?
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>>41924304>>41924311And here's a real life example.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-fb2H_XCKY
>>41923977Obviously all of the millions of people involved in aviation and sailing are in on the conspiracy and none of them every blow the whistle because they all love Satan too much.
>>41921185lollmao even
>>41921279looks comfy
>>41923977flatties have no response to this lol.
>>41921174>good thread>flat earth threadyou can only pick one
>>41923977Inb4 he posts a huge list of videos he expects you to watch instead of trying to explain it himself
>>41925306observe
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1hem9md/flat_earthers_went_to_antarctica_to_prove_there/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica_Cup_Yacht_Race
>>41923993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4yo2pfIP1MBush did 7/11 confirmed
>>41923977Doesn't really prove anything. That's just how they're told to fly.
I just had a shower thought. I posted a vid of a FEer going to Antarctica, but since this has been a debate amongst many academics, retards, and NPCs, why not just take the FE leader to space? It would settle it right then and there. EZ PZ. Like if I'm in power and wasn't hiding anything about the Earth I would totally do that. Does this imply that FE real???????????? 0.0
>>41927412Because when something like this happens; the person taking a part is a shill and faked it. Like with those random brain controlled bimbos who supposedly went to space with the premonition of bill gates I remember or when W lied about the final experiment.https://youtu.be/2VSzTEMa_lchttps://youtu.be/mp3nih7SB98https://youtu.be/R6RMwROKJOshttps://youtu.be/_3ulTsZPoD4https://www.youtube.com/live/rEXKM0xLc_M https://youtu.be/9Hys1LmUlYE
>>41927479I don’t know if it was bill gates I forgot, I don’t keep a tap on billionaires names
>>41921174None of that shit matters and it wouldn't change anything.
>>41927489It would entail creationism
>>41927508And this would cause the end of the new world order... how, exactly?Not even the epstein files has caused that. There is no big reveal anymore that would surely make people wake up all of a sudden and revolt. The people themselves just need to stop being complacent.
>>41927479Take Eric Dubay, Eddie Bravo, and a handful of other big FEers. I get what you're saying but would someone like Eric ever sell out? You would assume he would die for FE at this point... It just can't be a trick to get them all on a rocket to unalive them lmaooo. But I mean the premise I have makes sense. If nothing to hide, show them yourself to progress society forward. If I was in power AND wanted the best society and civilization I would def do that. They don't want what's best for humanity unfort though. But the solution is so simple yet we can never get there to the penultimate settler of the debate.
>>41927519Well, that path could lead to creationism, but it’s not 100% certain. It would certainly cause chaos, though. Epstein is not something people were taught at school. People were lied to - but in a secret, sneaky way. If FE were true and announced as fact, most people would be astonished by how nefariously, cold-heartedly, and deliberately they were lied to. There are still NPCs who believe 9/11 went down exactly the way the media says it did.It would absolutely be a huge reality check for most people, hell, even for me. Also no one would believe anything moving forward. I wouldn’t go crazy or burn shit over it, but I would definitely be upset and surprised.
>>41921174We aren't allowed to have one
>>41926278Please dude. They have a whole team dedicated to shitting up flat earth threads.
>i have still never seen a good flat earth threadalmonds: activated
>>41921279mines way better
>>41927902Can't wait to see every normie's face when they find out this is real
>>41926278>look at me im a flattie>lets use a map of the globe to check the flight paths!>they work!.....ok? thanks?>>41927325>Doesn't really prove anything.it proves everything. shipping lanes and plane flight paths just dont work on a flat earth.
>>41928466>hurr hurr im such a non normie super truth seekerflerf arrogance is disgusting
>>41927902>the only thing flatties have are badly drawn microsoft paint memesfunny and sad at the same time.
>>41921279You have to be a nigger to believe this shit lmao
All the good flat earth breads happen on /pol/ when the glowies try to post an anti thread.These /x/ threads are just filled with samefags and glow niggers, paid to be here and look for them every day.We can at least call them out for their faggot tactics in pol.Daily reminder: Kill every single last jew, no exceptions.
>>41930003flat earthers are the kikes. you all lie worse than a rug. gotta lie to flerf.
>>41930014Go die like the tranny you are.We are literally coming to kill you.
>muh sphere Earths measured flat>muh flight routesEarths measured flat with air-PLANE pitch data>muh tides caused by the moonEarths measured flat>Muh 2 star rotations Earths measured flat all stars move east to west and circle around Polaris >Muh mapComes from Cartesian coordinate grid system or AE, earths measured flat>Muh refraction bends the horizon upYou don't have Refraction as you don't have a boundary separating 2 media. Snells law or law of refraction. Earths measured flat >Muh gas pressure gradientMeasured by altitude which would be in respect to a flat plane. Gas pressure needs a container. earths measured flat>muh celestial navigation dip angleDip angle to the black swan huh lol. Earths measured flat>Muh why would they lie trust the astronotsEarths measured flat that's why>muh humiliation and ridicule tactics because flat earthers are just plain old dumbEarths measured flat>Muh Up Down Above Below Altitude Latitude Elevation Angle Horizon Horizontal Linear Line of sight Level Plumb Eye level Sea level Surface level Plane Grid Navigation Miles Nautical miles Kilometers North South East West Azimuth ZenithWelcome to flat earth it's measured flat in every instance without exception
>>41921289This [spoiler]except I think they're hilarious[/spoiler]. The flatards stopped responding because they had been beaten and humilated.
>>41930202>inb4 /x/ has no spoilers
>>41930060>he says, posting a shitty fake videoYOU are fake and gay>>41930202yes. they totally conceded that thread.
>>41926278you're purposefully adding connecting flights for most of theseand some of them is because no direct flights are offered, cause they're small airports
>>41930238>gotta lie to flerf
>>41929388>Only 14% of whites are based and not shitlib cucksFair enough and reasonable. We don't want 100% of whites on our side cause of how many traitors exist. Imagine caring what a percentage of brown people think too lol.Okay man I'm completely on your side, I now believe we live on a spinning globe and want to genocide all the shitskins.But how do we deal with earth being measured flat? How would celestial navigation work on a ball? Just need reassurance
>>41931354>How would celestial navigation work on a ball?You should ask how it would work on a flat earth first. Spherical trigonometry is a key part in celestial navigation.
>>41921174The earth is not flat it manifests itself as we interact with it, if the earth was flat you would be able to see Polaris from the southern hemisphere
>>41929335Not arrogance. Just excited to see people finally awakened. Also to see their reaction to such a bombshell
>>41930014>flat earthers are the kikesThen why do they push round earth NASA slop constantly? Wouldn't they push FE stuff in the media if that were the case?
>>41931699>if the earth was flat you would be able to see Polaris from the southern hemisphereHaven't you heard? Stars are not physical objects so they don't have to follow your preconceived ideas of how physical objects behave.See how easy it is to explain how the flat earth model works? If real observations don't match the model you just say that magic makes it work, easy peasy.>>41919946
>>41925306I thought 4channers didn't have a life. You got your spare time to build your brain up to learn.Cowards. We mostly walk on a flat earth. And some mountain decorations to go along with it. Solved.
>>41921174bs theories like flat earth discredit real conspiracy theories. Physics is real and metaphysics too. You don't need to oppose physics that makes total sense and can be mathematically and experimentally proved to expose real conspiracies
>>41923967
Why are anti-flatearthers so unnecessarily mean? Can't even have a civil discussion.
>>41934332It's funny how basic and ignorant they are to having a proper discussion, when all they call it is humiliation instead mostly talking about the subject here. Even on youtube.
>>41934332flatties dont even attempt to have a discussion, they just spam youtube links and run away.
why are flat earthers such evading liars? Can't even have a real discussion with them.
>>41934343>>41934713>>41934898Poster's POV
>>41934901gotta lie to ferf.this is a universal truth that all should know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIaXJtDHTASeriously, anyone, give it a shot and tell me what you think. Is this guy schizo or based? Obviously I don't expect you to watch it all but check it out a lil
>>41931674No retard celestial navigation doesn't use trig, let alone "spherical trig" which is an oxymoron invented by astronomy, a pseudoscience.You cant draw angles to curves circles or spheres. An angle is where 2 straight lines meet at a vertex.Celestial navigation measures right angle triangles and uses circles of equal altitude to TRIANGULATE their position. There's no trigonometry because no measuring lengths involved. Just measuring angles and triangulation
>>41935471>You cant draw angles to curves circles or spheres.
>>41935390is icke an flerf? i didnt think he was
>>41935585Nah I don't think so, but the theories discussed in the video are related to FE. I think the dude in the video is a ferf. I don't watch his shit but just checking out other perspectives.
>>41935471>Celestial navigation measures right angle triangles and uses circles of equal altitude to TRIANGULATE their position.>circles of equal altitude>circlesI'm gonna give you some homework:-The date and time is 2026/02/10 00:00-UTC-The ground position of Regulus at that time is 11°50′13″N 12°21′18″EUsing a flat earth map mark out the places where Regulus is 45° above the horizon.
>>41935733Oh shit finally a good proposal
>>41935767Thank you but I think he's not going to do it.
>>41935879Would be lit tho, get a real debate going. I ride the fence on this topic but am a glober. Like if I had to put my life on it I would say globe lol. I just know NASA is sketch :D. And that there is deception going on it's just to what level. FE might be onto something but maybe not that extreme type shit u feel me.
>>41935987>I just know NASA is sketchno you dont. you've just seen a few youtube videos and feel like the main character.
>>41935987>>41936007Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.
>>41935559Not sure what you're trying to show me>>41935733Homework for what? The moment you say the word angle you concede the earths measured flat
>>41936172>Not sure what you're trying to show meNot surprising since you're too retarded to understand what a tangent line is.>Homework for what? The moment you say the word angle you concede the earths measured flatI told you he wasn't going to do it. Flatties are all lying cowards.
>>41936241You mean tangent line on the tangential plane? You mean the tangent that you draw to the black swan you absolute dumbfuck? You cannot grasp basic deduction at all you're full of shit.>I told you he wasn't going to do itYou mean draw an elevation angle to a star? Welcome to flat earth I would be measuring earth flat if I did that. Stop pretending like you arent full dunning kruger mode right now
>>41935471>Celestial navigation measures right angle triangles and uses circles of equal altitude to TRIANGULATE their position.Here's your "circles" of equal altitude bro.
>>41936511And here's the same thing but on a sphere instead. Here we do get circles.
>>41935733>>41935879And since the flattie was too retarded to perform a simple task. Here it is.
>>41936511Why are you strawmanning this map in here? Celestial navigation doesn't use this AE map. They use charts. We're talking about celestial navigation here stay focused and stop randomly invoking cartoon maps that nobody asked for.You cant draw angles to spheres dumbass, you don't have flat circles on a sphere what kind of drugs are you smoking?
>>41936511If we only focus on the circle of equal altitude for Canopus and plot its direction we get some whacky things if we use the flat earth map. Remember that for any place on this curve, Canopus has an elevation angle of 37°15.5′.Can any flat earther tell us where on the dome Canopus is located? No? Of course not because your model is completely useless and don't reflect reality at all and yet we have faggot liars like this clown >>41935471 who thinks celestial navigation is possible on their pizza earth.
>>41936754>Why are you strawmanning this map in here?What map should I use then? The only way I can get it to work is if I use a globe.
>>41936774>>41936783
>>41936774Says the retard clown who falsely claimed celestial navigation uses trigonometry to try and sound smarter than he actually is.Remember when you said that? Lmao I won't forget it
>>41936783The answer was right in the post you just replied to>They use chartsNot the AE map of the entire earth>The only way I can get it to work is if I use a globeDoesn't work you can't draw angles to curved surfaces you're just in continual denial about itCircles of equal altitude are not physical lines like you are pretending they are. You won't get perfect circles on a globe or mercator map, nor an AE
Flat earth, like light pollution, is a satanic scheme to get you to look away from the literal heavens, and to place yourself above the heavens in your "world"view. Atheists wish the earth was flat. >but it doesn't makes sense to meYou expect to understand God's plan? Not with your math skills.
Can Globeheads ever recover from this thread?
>>41921185None of that is what the Antarctica treaty does. It actually states that the landmass is only usable for peaceful purposes. In other words, you can't put troops on it, but anyone *can* go there for research purposes.
Why does the sun keep a stable angular speed of 15 degrees per hour on our sky? If the sun is coming from a vanishing point at dawn and going towards another vanishing point at sunset, then we'd expect the angular speed to be start at almost zero at dawn, then extremely slowly speed up, then be at full throttle at midday (when it's closest to us) then start slowing down, and slowing down even more, until it goes again almost back to zero angular speed. In other words the sun would linger much, much longer in the lower parts of the sky rather than at the higher ones. But this doesn't happen, it moves at a stable 15 degrees per hour, so what is an explanation for this?
>>41927479>>41927412surprised you niggers don't know this just happened again. WVagabond on Kick just filmed/live streamed on antarctic and got all his shit confiscated. He also filmed the cave that is commonly talked about right at the 'public' zone.
>>41936783>>41936859>flatties use a globe map/globe atlas>it works!whoa no fuckin' way?shipping lanes and plane flight paths prove the globe, thats the whole point. im pretty sure flatties are just trolling and fishing for replies at this point.
>>41930187>all stars move east to west and circle around PolarisThe videos above show them circling around not only Polaris but also around Sigma Octantis to the south.
>i think the earth is a fucking pizzathen go rent a fucking boat and check if its really a pizza.
>>41936172>what is a tangent>I won the argument because you used a word and activated my trap card YugiNice chickening out of a challenge, fag.>>41936241> Flatties are all lying cowards.I'm convinced 95% of them are grifters (who will naturally swindle their way out of any challenge) and 5% are actual retards (who will be unable to even understand the challenge).
>>41936172>still no map of flat earth>still doesnt understand that shipping lanes and plane flight paths prove the globethats cringe. here's a bonus for FREE:>the ISS also proves the globenice.
>>419239671) That's a wavy surface so you can't just simulate it as a flat surface or a spherically curved surface. Wavy means you get reflections of the sun in little bands, one per wave. This can continue WAY outside of the range it would happen if the water was flat or spherically curved.2) If the water was flat, it would be effectively a mirror, meaning you'd see a perfect reflection of the sun in it. If the water was spherically curved the reflection would be squished vertically. Yes, the spherical water would create a more vertically squished reflection than flat water. Yes, you do not see a squished reflection on real water. But you don't see a 1:1 reflection of the sun either. You see a vertically elongated reflection. So unless you are ready to admit the water is actually spherically shaped but in the other direction (like a dug hole), you should consider the possibility that the noise from the waves is actually so significant that it makes ANY observations you make USELESS for determining the shape of the reflection the water would make if it was actually flat or spherical without waves.3) I suggest you wait 3 minutes before taking one more picture for us that will be showing the sun being half above and half below the horizon while still maintaining its disk shape.
>>41940434>but muh water muh reflections?who gives a shit?>im not sure about the shape of X!then go and measure X, whats the fucking problem here?if you arent sure if your house is the shape of a square or a hot dog, do you measure the shape of the house? or go outside look at the fucking water for some reason?
>>41940452Rewrite this as something more coherent, schizo. If you are going to post a shit reply, at least quote the *actual* parts you are supposedly replying to. I can't dig through two shit piles (your reply and your mock-quotes) at the same time to figure out what your demented mind is trying to say.
>>41940500looks perfectly coherent to me, did you try not being a retarded flattie?
>>41924304What do you suppose "the sky" is?
>>41940579oh boy here we go, share with us your absolutely hilarious idea what you think the sky REALLY is. dont forget to post a citation which part of the torah its from.
>>41940542>flattieAre you a zoomer that gets paralyzed by 200-word posts, or are you actually retarded? Like, legit, have you checked with a doctor? I'm not a flat-earther you moron. Read the post that I was replying to and re-read my post.
>>41940542And yeah of course it looks coherent to you cause school has obviously failed to teach you to *read* text, let alone write it.
>>41940592>>41940596let me teach you how to talk with flatties, you post this: Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.and then you stick with this, you dont discuss anything else, just stick this 1 thing. its really easy.try it sometime.
>>4193681548°51′N, 2°21′E41°54′N,12°29′EWhat's the distance between these two coordinates? Show us your calculation without using trigonometry.
>>41940602I agree it's an argument but it's probably a weak argument against a flat earth because it relies on human incentives. "Why would humans chose a worse path?" It also relies on a complex system that is affected by weather, wind, currents, laws, etc, so flatties will use these to justify the paths. Here, playing devil's advocate I could reply with:1) Many flights pass through the north "hemisphere" even when it's not clear why it would make sense to do so.2) The elites are ok with paying extra money for longer flights if it is required to keep the lie going because they earn way more back from keeping the world older.3) Shipping lanes could be efficient because of currents even though they may not immediately make sense distance-wise on a flat earth.I think arguments like how the sun lights up clouds from the underneath during sunset, or how people up a mountain can still see the sun AFTER people at sea level have seen the sun dropping below the horizon, or >>41940176, or >>41924316 are way more damning because they don't rely on anything about the behavior of humans and the systems involved are simple.
>>41940650no.shipping lanes and flight paths prove the globe just by the simple fact they use a globe map and it works - the distances are all correct, which is proving the globe with 0% doubt. its really THAT easy to prove the globe. and then you stick with this, you dont discuss anything else with a flattie, just stick this 1 thing.
>>41940176Good luck getting an answer mate. My post >>41924304 has been sitting there for 3 days without a single answer.Flatties avoid astronomy like the plague either because they don't understand it or because they know their model can't explain any of the phenomena.
>>41940587It isn't anything. Just a swirl of stupid images.
>>41940784nah man, im pretty damn sure the sky isnt just a swirl of images.
>>41940684Continuing to play devil's advocate:>the distances are all correctSays who? Have *you* measured them to verify they are correct? If you haven't, then you are being lied to. If you have, then you are lying to us.People need something they can check themselves to get out of a retarded conspiracy theory. They cannot become captains or pilots to start confirming the distances and the time it takes, and learn about sea currents that may be speeding things up, etc.BUT, it IS indeed a correct argument. I'm just saying it's too weak and vague to convince anyone who isn't already capable of measuring these distances.
>>41940834>WHO SAYS THE DISTANCES ARE CORRECT?!?! HUH?!?! HUUUUUH?!?!literally fucking everybody.
Another argument against flat earth that I have never seen anyone use, is ham radio. Way too many things in ham radio confirm a globe earth. From the behavior of the atmosphere, the roundtrip time of earth-moon-earth communications, skip zones, gray-line propagation, antipodal propagation, doppler shifts from ham satellites verify their orbital speeds, DX contacts with directional antennas being on great circles and not on straight lines on a polar map... And all of these are stuff you can buy the equipment to test yourself.
I don’t care if earth is flat or globe. God said there’s a firmament and the earth doesn’t move. That is all.Cope, seethe and dilate about shit that you’re never allowed to prove.
>>41940901God told me you're wrong and that you smell like ass. So cope, seethe and dilate.
>>41940176You said the word "angular" welcome to flat earthNo one has measured sun speed it's not a physical object this doesn't behave like physical objects do when they hit the vanishing point.>>41940272By the look of your post you don't know what celestial navigation is. No reason for you to butt in like a retard>>41940273"Circling around" huh? Those would be non cardinal directions. East to West are cardinal directions. This has already been explained to you multiple timesSigma oceantis doesn't have the same latitude reference as Polaris. It's way off from the center of rotation and so is Polaris but not as much >>41940325So if you tangential plane is actually on a ball which horizon are you drawing a tangent to? The 1.22 mile horizon or black swan horizon? I think we all know which one>>41940632Celestial Navigation doesn't measure distances and you would NEED trigonometry to find lengths you dumbass lol. Don't post trivia or quizzes here so you can avoid your own embarrassment of being proven wrong kike
>>41940915My God is better than your pathetic excuse of a “god”. It’s not even close.
>>41940774Astronomy isn't even science and I can bet everyone's job salary you cannot define a science experiment for astronomy What's the first step in science experiment? Hint: astronomy almost always violates this part
>>41940380All maps are flat. No ball map has ever existed. Welcome to flat earth >Astronot shillReddit exists too
>>41941024by the look of your post you dont even know how maps work. shipping lanes prove the globe, best evidence there is. >>41941050>Astronomy isn't even scienceof course it is.
>>41941059maps of the globe are made using globe measurements and the globe model.>it worksawesome, another evidence of the globe.
>>41941024> You said the word "angular" welcome to flat earthRetarded answer. Look: >>41940325>>41936241You can have angle measurement around a cicrcle or sphere. You just need to imagine a tangent.>No one has measured sun speed**Angular** speed. You can measure the angular speed of anything as long as you can see it. You can do it with elementary tools. Angular speed is NOT the real speed of the object.> like physical objects do when they hit the vanishing point.I don't care nor does it matter if the sun is a physical object. Perspective is perspective. If the sun, whatever it is, is flying above us in circles like flat earthers keep showing in videos, at a certain speed, and the reason it looks like it's setting and rising is perspective, then it HAS to slow down immensely (angularly) as it goes to set, and it has to rise with almost no angular speed and speed up, reaching maximum angular speed at midday, then slowing down angularly again to set. This is NOT the case, the sun moves 15 degrees per hour from dawn to sunset, no change in angular speed. You can measure it yourself in a sunny day if you learn how to use sticks, a string with a weights and a protractors.>>Circling around>Those would be non cardinal directions.Circling around is not a direction. WTF are you even talking about. If you are circling around your direction on whatever plane you are circling on is changing all the time.>East to West are cardinal directions.Big professor moment.>Sigma oceantis doesn't have the same latitude reference as Polaris.LMAO what does this sentence even mean. What the fuck is "latitude reference"??? You can use any reference you want, stars don't come with their own inherent reference. WTF are you even on.[cont]
>Debunks your flat earthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YCuozracGoThis is one of the instruments that Tycho Brahe used to map out the stars. With it you can track any star across the sky by just rotating one axis. It also works anywhere on Earth and all you have to do is set the tilt of the sphere to the latitude of your location that's it.Now here's a question: Where do you think the sight will point after a star has set in the western sky? Towards the ground of course until the star rises in the east again and the cycle starts all over again.This shows that things in the sky actually go below the horizon. They don't reach some magical vanishing point like flat earthers believe.And those in this thread who isn't completely clueless have probably already figured out that this instrument works on the same principle as a modern equatorial mount that astronomers use to track objects in the sky today.Equatorial mounts with their coordinate system of right ascension and declination can only work on a sphere and no flat earther has ever been able to prove otherwise.
>shills are now running on straws and walking on eggshells because their efforts are running dry
>>41941108Thanks for saying the word horizon welcome to flat earth. Horizon means horizontal and apparent location.If things went below the horizon like you're claiming then it would no longer be an apparent location would it? It would be a physical location or physical sphere edge Now let's watch you define the word horizon. Does it actually mean physical sphere edge or are you just redefining axioms for your own globe agenda?
>>41941024[cont]>It's way off from the center of rotation and so is Polaris but not as muchYeah, so what? The point is that there is a point in the northern sky where all starts rotate around of. And there is ANOTHER point in the southern sky where all the starts ALSO rotate around. And on the equator you almost see both points on your horizon in opposite sides. Exactly like you'd expect on a globe. If you are on a flat earth then the dome from ALL places should show rotation around polaris which is at the top of the dome. There should be no other point in the sky that's static.>So if you tangential plane is actually on a ball which horizon are you drawing a tangent to?"Drawing a tangent to a horizon" doesn't mean what you think it means. If the horizon is the boundary between the earth and the sky, as seen from your vantage point on a (hypothetically) sphere earth, then the horizon is a circle, so a tangent to that horizon is a straight line somewhere far away from you, and completely irrelevant to all the discussions here. You mean something else, rephrase. As for how far the horizon is in this hypothetical situation, it depends on how high above the ground you are, not that it matters anyhow though.
>>41941048There's only one God, and he said that you still smell like ass.
>>41941175And yours is fake, because mine wouldn’t say that about you nor me, you blasphemous heathen.
>>41941059Initially I had only seen photos of your mom's tits, so I also though she was flat for a while.
>>41941116>>41941147Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.
>>41941116>>41941147This guys has to be a troll right?
>>41941203or a jew.probably a jew.flat earth is literally judaism.
>>41941194My God said I'm not blasphemous and that smelly people should go wash themselves before they start throwing accusations around. My God also said that you should stop calling God fake because that makes God sad.
>>41941147>Thanks for saying the word horizon welcome to flat earth. Horizon means horizontal and apparent location.>If things went below the horizon like you're claiming then it would no longer be an apparent location would it?Imagine trying to prove your theory using etymology.
I like flat earth theory. So many weird experiments they do.. wonder why nobody ever told em to was a sunset. That's all they'd need to do.
>>41941216Why are you samefagging?
>>41936754>They use charts.What charts?
>>41936754maps arent cartoons, they're tools. its like saying a blueprint to a 2.0 TDI engine is a cartoon.its not a cartoon, its a tool to build an engine. same with a map, its a tool to navigate the globe.
>>41921174I think that setting up a phony argumentlike this and perpetuating it is a meansto attack God.The bible speaks about people worshippingplanets and stars.It talks about pleiades, arcturus, and orion.Also in one of the kjv bibles I read it mentionedthere being spirits from pleiades, arcturus, and orion.Also it said after Moses put the bronze snake up on a cross that eventually the sonof Man would be put up on a cross forthe same purpose.You have to read the physical biblesbecause they have a collection of different bibles like the NIV and so onon places like biblehub but there aredifferences in even kjv bibles, beingall the same type I mean like all kjvbut they add or omit crazy details like those.It also says in the bible that God's thinkis as distant from man's as the earth isfrom the ends of heaven.I take that to mean infinite expansion.
Also about the son of Man being putup on a cross,the point was that the people couldn'tunderstand God and so their signwas good enough in God's eyes to bethe thing that vexed them(serpents biting them)because they would lower their head in humilityand accept God's grace through that.
>>41941226It's not a theory it's a measurement of earth, measurements aren't theories they are descriptions>Too chickenshit to define the horizon As I expected
>>41941246I'm really not.
>>41940272yeah this is the point we were at last time when they stopped responding. The pacific campaign of WW2 doesn't work with flat maps and I'm not even sure they actually believe WW2 happened.
>>41940272THIS.
>>41941472Flat earth is a theory. It's not *a* measurement. You supposedly do *a bunch* of measurements, you make a bunch of mistakes at math cause you are an idiot, and then you end up with a theory that models earth and which reflects your mistakes.>Too chickenshit to define the horizonIn the context of this post >>41941108 it is the line that separates the sky from the earth from your vantage point. I also assume that the machine would expect your vantage point to be relatively low, because the higher you are, the lower, angularly, the horizon goes below the horizontal plane that passes through your eyes.Oh and you're wrong on your etymology too "Horizon" does not mean "horizontal" location. Nor does it relate to "apparent" location or anything like that. "Horizontal" is etymologically stemming from "horizon", not the other way around. Horizon comes from the verb "to limit" in ancient Greek (ορίζω), it's the limit beyond which you cannot see in this case. Not that this matters anyhow to any arguments you or I want to make.>measurements aren't theories they are descriptionsA pathetic attempt to prove your theory by defining it as a measurement, implying there's no way to deny it because it's just directly observable fact. You suck at this, you know right? You cannot define yourself into a "win", but keep trying, it's entertaining.
>>41941592all we need to know is that globe was already proven several times in this thread.here, lets prove the globe again:Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.
>>41941540Hitler is hiding beyond the icewall.
Use your minds for something important
>>41941750Fun is important.
>>41941757Fair enough
>>41941592If you aren't a genuine shill bot then I'm trying to save you a bunch of time from commiting a category error.There's no flat earth theory, in order to have a theory you must go through experiment. If you don't go through the experiment procedure you don't have a theory.If earth measured flat then no theory or experiment required. Why would we need either?> Not that this matters anyhow to any arguments you or I want to makeThere's no argument I never made an argument and you don't have one either, can't argue against something that isn't an argument. I'm describing measurements of earth, not presenting an argument.You want to talk about Greek etymology but still won't define the horizon like I keep predicting.
>>41941936well then good thing the earth isnt "measured flat". Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.
>>41942136>Efforts run dry and responses now boil down to "nuh uh"That's it? You could've said nuh uh long time ago instead of trying to deconstruct and scattergun
>>41942387No, anons point is you have to explain how all the shipping and flight paths work if the maps are incorrect. How do we take a flight from South America to Australia?
>>41942447>Flight>From air-PLANE >Measuring earth flat with pitch dataYou're still going off about map when planes don't ever dive their nose to account for curvature No point in playing games with your retarded map, you aren't allowed to bring up planes because they measure earth flat retard
>>41921174>good flat earth threadlmao even.
>>41941750What like paying taxes to pedophiles?
>>41942621>You're still going off about map when planes don't ever dive their nose to account for curvatureYou don't account for scale.>No point in playing games with your retarded map, you aren't allowed to bring up planes because they measure earth flat retardYour flat earth maps use a circle grid to account for curvature. All distances in typical shipping and flying account for it, as those distances are the correct measurements on a globe.
>>41942136>Shipping lanes>laneThe word "lane" originates from Old English lane or lanu, referring to a narrow road, pathway, or, historically, a hedged-in passage.>hedged-in passageAs in our flat earth being hedged-in by an ice wall. Flat earth is a passage to God.
>>41943019>The azimuthal map projection is a "circle grid"It's a map projection not a grid, but whatever let's give you have that one. We can call it a circle gridYou're jumping through all sorts of hoolahoops to call angular measurements to Polaris an "account for curve"Please do tell how this works, without referring to any maps, map distances, ship or plane distances. We're talking about angles here stay focused now
>>41943568I was never the anon in that discussion. I'm the one who is asking why the distances on maps are accurate when they account for curvature (i.e. they work on a globe or a projection). I know you don't want to get distracted, so can you explain how a flight from South America to Australia works?
>>41943568>It's a map projection not a grid, but whatever let's give you have that one. We can call it a circle gridI'll add thanks for pointing out that we "globers" have been saying "circle grid" when by definition grids seem to be squares. It's purely semantic, but never let it be said we wont concede to a good point when one is made.
>>41943678You're the still the Anon that talked about flight, you know, no dive pitch data. So you aren't allowed to invoke planes if you're a glober >>41943687You "globers" are claiming to live on a ball while you measure elevation angles for your latitude. Then you juxtapose that with your map model that comes from a dipole.You can't even begin to use miles, nautical miles, or kilometers, because those are all linear flat distances. After we scratch that, we find you don't even know where the hell your ball comes from and how it can magically let you draw a tangent to the black swan
Earth is flat as fuck. It can't get no more flat.
King James Bible is a flat earth book from Genesis to Revelation. That's all I need to know. I don't care what freemasons or reddit moderators think.
>>41921174I once flew on an airplane (direct flight) from South Africa to Australia. As I looked at the gps, we were flying just outside the coast of India. On a globe, that looked strange to me. But if you look at a flat map, it'd actually be the shortest way. That's the moment I realized the earth was flat.
>>41921174Alright, okay, well then how do you explain time zones, dude?
>>41941936>If earth measured flatThis means nothing. When you measure something you measure something and get back raw data, a length for example. If you are assuming that the raw length you got when you measure between two points, is flat, then that's your assumption, it's not part of the measurement. An assumption is a hypothesis. You are already working under a model of your choosing once you start interpreting the raw measurement data.>If earth measured flat then no theory or experiment required.You have no clue what you are talking about, this sentence doesn't make any sense. Required for what? Measurements are single points of raw data. If you are happy with them then sure, no theory or model of earth is required. But if you want to draw conclusions out of the data, you WILL be making assumptions, that can be tested. So you have a theory whether you like it or not.>There's no argument I never made an argument Ok then BTFO and let the adults actually put down some arguments.>I'm describing measurements of earthYou aren't even doing that, and even if you were, nobody here asked for a speaking measure tape.>You want to talk about Greek etymology but still won't define the horizon like I keep predicting.Are you blind too? I defined what horizon means in the context of the post that started this thread of conversation:>>In the context of this post >>41941108 it is the line that separates the sky from the earth from your vantage point. I also assume that the machine would expect your vantage point to be relatively low, because the higher you are, the lower, angularly, the horizon goes below the horizontal plane that passes through your eyes.In other contexts a different definition may be required. If someone was talking about the horizon for which he is planning his financials then the definition would be different. There's a radio horizon, there's an astronomical horizon, etc.
>>41945193>>But if you look at a flat map, it'd actually be the shortest way.So we have a flat map? Ok, post it. Only one requirement: must have one scale. Don't reply with some bullshit please, post a map.
>>41942621>You're still going off about map when planes don't ever dive their nose to account for curvatureAssume for just a moment that you are wrong, and that airplanes DO dip their nose to account for curvature. How do you expect the dipping to be visible to you as an observer? Do you expect it will happen at one point in the whole flight where the pilot will suddenly dip visibly to correct for the whole curvature of the flight? Or do you assume, like a sane person, that the dipping happens spread out over the whole length of the flight path? If it happens over the whole length, do you realize how small this dipping is compared to the "noise" created by dipping and rising pitch of the plane for other reasons during the flight like correcting for turbulence? the overall dipping would be imperceptible and nobody would notice it. Additionally it would happen "automatically" as the pilot or the auto-pilot tries to keep a fixed altitude. If you don't correct for the ground curving away from you, you'd be gaining height so simply correcting for height would make you follow the curvature.If I ask you to drive a bike clockwise, along with a few more bikes next to you, in a circular path with a radius of 10 kilometers, do you expect the left turning to be visible? It won't. The minor corrections you make to just keep the bike steady and the corrections to avoid hitting the other bikes are WAY bigger than the tiny overall correction you need to do to stay on the huge circular track. Nobody watching you will so you turning left to stay on track. They will see you making all sorts of other moves and the average result of all those moves will be an overall left turn, since you'll be aiming to stay on the circular track. Then a retarded straight-tracker will come and tell you that the track is actually straight because he never saw you turning left to accommodate for the track's curvature itself.
>>41943906>You're the still the Anon that talked about flight, you know, no dive pitch data.Zero pitch means aircraft nose is pointing perpendicularly to the gravity vector. Even on a flat earth that means that the plane nose is following the curvature of the earth through the whole trip if pitch were 0 through the whole trip. That's the definition of pitch for planes. So whether the earth is flat or spherical, the pitch of an airplane in a trip will be 0 if it's simply following the ground.Whether the aircraft is climbing or diving is NOT the same as the pitch it has. You can open your flaps and change your "angle of attack" and change your climb or diving rate despite no change in your pitch.So recorded pitch data are irrelevant.>claiming to live on a ball while you measure elevation angles for your latitudeSo what?>your map model that comes from a dipoleWhat do you even mean here?>kilometers, because those are all linear flat distancesThose are units of length, not "linear flat distances". There's nothing inherently flat about length. When you go buy 10 meters of thread, it's 10 meters of thread but rolled up. You can even measure it without straightening it out, just pass it through two wheel that pinch it and measure the number of rotations of the wheels, measure the diameter of the wheels and then use pi to calculate the length of the string without even straightening it out. Length exists regardless of what shape the line is.>you don't even know where the hell your ball comes fromIrrelevant. Nobody knows who your father is either but that doesn't mean we can't tell that your brain is perfectly spherical.>how it can magically let you draw a tangent to the black swanThinking that refraction is magic is evidence for the aforementioned spherical brain of yours.
>>41930202No, because they made their point how retarded you are. You also can't size up Antarctica in google earth. So it just means it's bigger than you thought. I don't need me to convince you. So work it out on your own what think. Seeing people are brain dead to learn how to click a link "omg spam" "omg I am basement dweller who has no hands" "I'm a loser who can't learn things". All of you and then some.
>>41945193Counter-point right now, to your one data-point, I'm sure you'll change your mind now and think it's only 50% probable that the earth is flat.
>>41945709Have they ever posted a map that isn't distorted and the distances make sense? How does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica_Cup_Yacht_Race work on their map exactly? Let me guess, the race is fake, it never happens, everyone is in on it.
>>41925338nice noone posted it yet
>>41945902antarctica is just fine, you need to find another retarded obsession. Guys watch this, im gonna prove the earth is a globe with 1 simple trick:>Shipping lanes and plane flight pathsWow, that was easy.
>>41946026You think that's all you need to disapprove that?
>>41925402>https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1hem9md/flat_earthers_went_to_antarctica_to_prove_there/>Summary is that they see the sun is 24 hours and admit it's doing exactly what the scientists said. One said that the flat earth map flat out does not work any more but that it was up to the flat earth community to figure out how it works. The other said Antarctica was proof of God. All of them asked people to be nice and said they weren't going to read the comments.>Basically they admit they have been proven wrong, but are having a hard time accepting that what they believed is indeed wrong.AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHHAAAHAHHHAAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAH
>>41946050
>>41946075>One said that the flat earth map flat out does not work any more>any morethey never had a map to begin with, lmao.these retards kept using the globe map and wondering why flat earth doesnt make sense. >it was up to the flat earth community to figure out how it works.kinds in 5th grade figure this out, lets see if flatties are smarter than little kids.
>>41946050>flattie is shocked you can prove the globe in 0,1 seconds, just look at the shipping lanesi know its amazing, isnt it.
>>41946078>>I trust you with using a character that deceives people.Looks legit. >>41946093There's no curative, buddy. Illusion. We're also not walking sideways and upways.
>>41944672You are posting here, so either you are a virtue signaling christfag, or you are lying about not caring. Which is it, bitch?
I'm calling it: this fag >>41946093 is conducting a false flag operation for flatties. He is spamming the same dismissive argument over and over that doesn't convince anyone who doesn't already trust the systems that decided flight paths and shipping lanes, doesn't elaborate with actual examples and uses vague phrases like "dont work on a a flat earth" that honestly mean nothing without an explanation.Anon, on the off-chance you aren't doing this on purpose, at the very least you should show timing data for these paths and why they CANNOT be as long as they would need be on a flat earth based on the maximum speeds of the vehicles on those paths. Flatties won't do the work for you.
>>41946106>>41946161>ITS AN ILLUSION AND AND THE THE>UH UH UH>DISMISSIVE ARGUMENTor, you know... you can try and say why you think this argument doesnt work. >I CANT BECAUSE ITS THE BEST ARGUMENT FOR THE GLOBE I CANT PROVE THIS WRONGoh ok cool, thanks.
>>41946213ONCE MORE you prove you don't even read. I never said your argument doesn't work. I am not >>41946106. I said in >>41946161 that you are not elaborating. You are just blurting out "shipping lanes don't work on a flat earth hur dur" and leaving it at that. Addressing neither why anyone should trust the system behind shipping lanes, nor why they don't work on a flat earth exactly. You do zero work and yet just now you want ME to tell you why your argument doesn't work. YOU stated your argument, YOU elaborate on it, NEET. Do some fucking work beyond spamming your shit.I'm not surprised. AGAIN, one more time, you failed to read my message. Previously you thought I was a flattie in a message I posted to disprove a flattie argument.Brainrotten zoomer NEET, you can't even read, and yet you feel entitled to write messages.
>>41946252elaborate on what? there is nothing to elaborate here.>you cant just drop a truth bomb and leave it herethats exactly what im doing here.educate yourself. >system behind shipping lanes?what system? there is no shipping lane system, are you fucking retarded or something?>Do some fucking worknow listen here MOTHERFUCKER, its time YOU do some FUCKING WORK and try to somehow tell us why you think shipping lanes are "fake". YOUDOTHEWORKMOTHERFUCKERDO ITDO THE FUCKING WORKPROVE MEWRONG
Who enjoys debating? The only person I knew who enjoyed debating for the sake of debating was a gay fatty in highschool who looked and sounded like a white george sorros
>>41946295>elaborate on what? there is nothing to elaborate here.If you think there's nothing that needs elaboration here, even after what I've told you and after what the flatties have told you you are either retarded, or don't read messages. Or both. Most likely both.>what system? there is no shipping lane systemThe "elites deciding the trade lanes and the plane routes dude". That system, that flatties believe exists. You are addressing flatties, if you do it assuming the things that me and you assume, you are making arguments that will fall flat even if they are correct. Are you able to put yourself in a flatties shoes and view your argument from their POV? Or is does such a feat fall under the "what if you hadn't eaten breakfast today" category for you?>its time YOU do some FUCKING WORKLol is this a joke? You've been spamming the same shit over and over. I've been putting so much work in my messages that your zoomer brain can't even stay concentrated to read the whole message, and you're asking me to do more work? Why? To overwhelm your rotten brain even more?>PROVE ME WRONGWhich part of "you need to elaborate on your argument and not spam it" gets confused for "your argument is wrong" in your teeny-weeny-zoomy brainlet?
>>41946315>guys im not a flattie! im just doing everything the flatties are doing! im not a flattie!hahahaha what a fucking retard. >im just wasting my entire fucking day pretending to be a flattie! im a flattie advocate!hahahaha what a fucking RETARD. >The "elites deciding the trade lanes and the plane routes dude". That systemwhat system? the system that doesnt exist and you made it up? that system?you expect people to.... what? prove something that doesnt exist? is this what you expect? >You've been spamming the same shit over and over.wanna know WHY?because retarded flatties CANT PROVE THIS WRONG. the best argument for the globe there is - its just awesome. >BUT IM AN ADVOCATE FOR THE FLATTIES! I WANT """"""""""ELABORATION"""""""""""""""!whoa, mr advocate, you need elaboration?what form of elaboration are you expecting?what do you even want people to do here?>I DONT KNOW I JUST WANT TO WASTE MORE TIMEyou can do this by killing yourself.
>>41946329>>im just doing everything the flatties are doingSo you don't know what a devil's advocate is or what it means to put yourself on the POV of someone else. How would you have felt if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?>>wasting my entire fucking day pretending to be a flattieSo you think that putting yourself in your opponents position is a waste of time. No wonder you can't argue for shit. Also, "entire day"? If you actually read my messages you'd see I've spent more time making actual elaborate arguments against flat earth in this thread than you've spent spamming "shipping lanes hur dur". Hell my first message that you confused for a pro-flat-earth argument is LONGER than your combined spam about lanes.>you made it up?Do you have trouble understand the use of quotes in my sentence? I can explain if you need help. Or you can ask your school teacher to explain what quotes are used for.>because retarded flatties CANT PROVE THIS WRONGIt's a non-starter for them. They told you in >>41927325 why human made paths don't prove anything. A human can decide the path goes roundabout if they want. You'll need to explain why a roundabout path would not be viable based on either fuel calculations, or max speed limits, or something. Just repeating the start of an argument doesn't do anything. But you can't spend time to read messages, obviously you are incapable of making any such calculation.>BUT IM AN ADVOCATE FOR THE FLATTIESPlaying devil's advocate to show your argument sucks balls the way you state it, doesn't mean I'm advocating for flatties in general. Again, do you understand the concept of viewing things from someone else's point of view?>>I DONT KNOW I JUST WANT TO WASTE MORE TIME>you can do this by killing yourself.Oh, ok, thank you for saying that killing myself would be a waste of time. Glad you appreciate me staying alive then.
>>41946393>human made pathsthey're not human made. its just the shortest path from A to B. which proves the globe. >i think global shipping/transportation looks like a NASCAR race, everybody is just turning left in a circleLOLyou need to explain EVERYTHING about this, i wanna know EVERY TINY DETAIL about this train of thought. Elaborate. Explain in super tiny details how would this work. Elaborate on this. inb4:>i cant elaborate because im just pretending to be a retarded flattielmao
>>41946411>they're not human madePlanes aren't photons. A human decides where they fly and how. They don't automatically take the shortest path.>its just the shortest path from A to B.>which proves the globe.IF the earth is a globe then they are the shortest path. If it's not then they are not the shortest path. Do you know what begging the question is? You're doing it. You are assuming the premise.>i think global shipping/transportation looks like a NASCAR race, everybody is just turning left in a circleI don't think you moron. Are you incapable of understanding what a devil's advocate is? I am TELLING YOU why people don't find your argument convincing when you stop at the first setence of it instead of elaborating.>you need to explain EVERYTHING about thisElaborate on what?>i wanna know EVERY TINY DETAIL about this train of thoughtDetail about what? I'm explaining why you can't just claim that routes are necessarily the shortest paths. Because humans can decide to take a longer path. What do you need me to elaborate on and will you actually read it?Also note that I'm not making an argument. I'm explaining why your argument is incomplete the way you state it. I'm not trying to prove that flatties are correct, they are not. I'm telling you you are a retard who can't read, can't write, can't understand different POVs and can't argue for shit.But hey at least you've started to elaborate a little bit now. Maybe if you get even more worked about this you'll eventually state a full argument.inb4 you think you won against me once you do state a proper argument, because you don't understand a devil's advocate is.
>>41946109Seek and ye shall find.
>>41946458>im a devils advocate! hahahahahahaso, you are absolutely incapable, mr devils advocate, to even try and wrap your head how the shipping lanes prove the globe? you just cant do it?>yeah because uhhh flatties dont believe, dont understand flatties just refuse to thinkthats not MY problem, that a FLATTIE problem. i can spend the next 80 years trying to explain the shipping lanes to retarded dumbass flatties. >they just dont get itnot my problem, mr "flattie devils advocate", its YOU who are supposed to convince ME, not the other way around. >but that would require the flatties to actually do some work!yeah no shit.
>>41946500>mr devils advocate, to even try and wrap your head how the shipping lanes prove the globe? you just cant do it?That's not the point you fucking retard. I'M ON YOUR SIDE, you brainrotten moron. I AGREE the earth is a globe. Why would I have trouble undesrtanding the argument you are trying to make? I can make it way better than you by simply calculating fuel usage, distances of the paths on a supposed flat earth, and the max speed needed and so on. I know how to do the calculations to make this argument be actually strong. I don't have the data, nor the time to collect the data. But I'm NOT the one choosing making this argument in the first place. YOU chose to make it. It's YOUR fucking job to elaborate enough to show that they are unlikely or impossible paths on a flat earth. Asserting that they are the shortest paths is STUPID. We're talking about ships and planes, not photons. There's nothing forcing a ship or plane to take a straight path, other than the human piloting it, who relies on machines we humans made. A flattie will simply dismiss the notion that these machines are trustworthy, they will tell you the GPS tells you the shortest path is the one that looks straight on a globe. And the "elites" are ok paying for more fuel if they get to keep the "facade" up. Do you STILL not understand why your argument sucks balls and convinces nobody that doesn't already trust like GPS systems and autopilots without some more elaboration on why the paths CANNOT be that long as a flat earth would suggest?>thats not MY problem, that a FLATTIE problemYou are making a pro-globe argument in a thread about flat earth. Unless your intention is to preach to the choir (that I'm part of) then you SHOULD care about making the argument acceptable at least in premise by a flat-earther. Otherwise you're doing the equivalent of those schizo flatties that post like 20 videos and leave it at that, expecting their opponent to do the work.
>>41946500>its YOU who are supposed to convince ME, not the other way around.HAHAHAHAHHA what the fuck is this? "I'm spamming the start of an argument to people but it's not my job to explain the argument." I'd tell you to go back to school, but it's likely school is responsible for your brain damage in the first place. Also, I'm not arguing AGAINST your argument (or what I assume to be your actual argument at least cause you've already kinda begged the question while trying to explain it). I don't have to convince you about jack shit. I'm mocking your reading comprehension while trying to show you how to be more convincing to anyone who doesn't already agree with you, cause you suck at it.
>>41946531>>41946545yup, its a globe because shipping lanes works - the directions and distances are correct. >take any random shipping lane>put it on paper>it comes out as a globe mapglobe proven.its super easy.
>>41946551I'll keep playing devil's advocate then, since this combined with insults seems to be the only way to trigger you to elaborate on your own argument: What you said assumes the distances measured are correct, how do you know they are correct? Why wouldn't the GPS devices be designed so that the distances they measure are adjusted so that they fit on a globe despite the actual trip taking place on a flat earth?
>>41946531>>41946545>>41946551>travel around, go on vacation>deviate from the globe map directions in ANY WAY>you end up somewhere completely else than you plannedthere ya go, globe proven.
>>41946566>What you said assumes the distances measured are correct, how do you know they are correct?>>travel around, go on vacation>deviate from the globe map directions in ANY WAY>you end up somewhere completely else than you plannedthere ya go, globe proven.
>>41946566>plan a trip from A to B>the globe map says i need X fuel and Y time for the trip>gas up exactly that much fuel and set a stopwatchdid i arrive in time? and used the amount of fuel i was expecting?>yesthere ya go.
>>41946568Continuing devil's advocate: People get lost all the time even though they use a global map. That disproves the globe earth.Also this is a different argument from shipping lanes and fly paths. I don't use shipping lanes when going on vacation, and planes use a GPS that will take them to the destination even if it masks the real shape of the earth and shows wrong distances. It just takes them in a roundabout way, they just don't know it.
>>41946582I don't know anyone taking trips that are long enough for the globe/flat distinction to make a difference in fuel calculations. you can travel from west coast US to east coast and whether it's a globe or a flat map the distance difference is so small that simply changing fuel quality will likely play a bigger role in the final consumption.
>>41946585>People get lost all the timeonly if they dont follow the globe map directions precisely.which, once again, proves the globe. very nice.>>41946591>uhhhh>uhhhhh>nobody is actually traveling long distancesnigger please.
>>41946591>you can travel from west coast US to east coast and whether it's a globe or a flat map the distance difference is so small there cant be any differences in distance, because we know 100% precisely without a doubt what the distance is between every single place on the globe. which, once again, proves the globe.
>>41946613Devil's advocate again, I feel like I have to keep saying it with you:>only if they dont follow the globe map directions preciselyYou don't know that. You have no way of knowing that. Maybe the problem is that they are following those directions.>nigger pleaseThey are lying to you, you have no knowledge of what you're talking about, you've never taken a trip where the fuel consumption dependent on whether the earth is flat or spherical. You rely on testimony of others, and you haven't experiences it 1st hand, you haven't heard such testimony 2nd hand, so we're talking about you basing your opinion on testimony that has passed from at least 2 people before reaching you, one of which is likely on the payroll of the state that tries to keep up the facade of the spherical earth.>>41946622> there cant be any differences in distanceFirst of all, roads aren't straight lines, the distance counted by the wheels of my car always differs from the distance that the GPS saw, and very often it's not even at a fixed ratio to each other. So typical trips cannot be used to measure distance differences that would be the result of flat VS round earth for trips on the scale of a coast-to-cost US trip.Second, the airplanes measure distance using GPS, which could EASILY be configured to return the distance on a supposed hypothetical spherical earth even if the plane is flying over land. Add to that that planes are significantly affected by winds, making it impossible to measure their real speed based on relative windspeed and it makes planes useless for doing what you suggested of measuring exactly how much fuel they used. So once more the flight paths prove nothing. Same goes for ships with currents making speed relative to water useless, and you have no proof that the shipping lanes are really the shape you see on a globe map. Plus you have never piloted a ship nor a plane freely, once more you get your data from others who got it from others.
>>41946591>a flat mapoh i would love to see it.
>>41946649not even 1 person has ever gotten lost if they followed the globe map directions precisely. we know that with 100% certainty. >distancesare always the same from A to B, they literally cannot change by even 1 km. We have the entire planet mapped.the shortest route from Paris to Moscow is EXACTLY AND PRECISELY 2,834 km. if you take this route, you will always travel 2,834 km from Paris to Moscow. Not 2,300.Not 3,900.EXACTLY 2,834 km, if you follow that route.You wont get lost, and this is the distance you will travel.
>>41946666nah
>>41946675>millions of people use that route every yearnice, just another awesome evidence of the globe.
>>41946666>He never measured the distance himself he just traced a line on Google earthMiles are a flat and linear distance, cant use miles if you're a globetard
>>41946622You don't have distances on a ball, all the distances we have are flat and linear. Miles, nautical miles, and kilometers
>>41946675>>41946740>gets an elaborate response, globe proven>nuh uhhow jewish of you. >He never measured the distance himselfof course i did, i was traveling around the globe before google and the internet even existed. BONUS DESTRUCTION OF FLATTIES FOR FREE:>flatties dont even have a map>flatties cant even say what the distance is between paris and moscow>its a magical uknown number, nobody knows, maybe its 90,000 km? or..... 3 km? nobody knows! its a mystery!lol.
>>41946750>You don't have distances on a ballof course we do.>all the distances we have are flat and linear. no they're not. who told you that nonsense? give me a source, a citation. NO YOUTUBE.
>>41946531>You are making a pro-globe argumentNo he isn't, you're just as clueless as him. There never was a debate or argument against anything. Earths measured flat, and balltards have their religion to cope with this
>>41946758>Earths measured flatno its not, who told you that?got a source? citation?NO YOUTUBE.
>>41945632>When you measure something you measure something and get back raw dataYou mean a raw data that is a description and stands on its own?>Your measured is thereby an assumption Not how measurements work. A measurement is described, descriptions aren't explanations. Hypothesis is used for explanation, the only thing I'm getting out of you is you don't understand any of the words you're using>But if you want to draw conclusions out of the dataThe conclusion is that it's a measurement and stands on its own once you measure something. That's how measurements work.>Ok then BTFO and let the adults actually put down some arguments.I think you meant to say clowns not adults, because they would be debating something that isn't up for debateI AM THE FUCKING ADULT ANON THAT WILL TELL YOU EARTHS MEASURED FLAT. SIT DOWN KID LMAO YOURE BEING SCHOOLED.>In other contexts a different definition may be requiredNo this is you just rejecting the axiom described >>41945790>Assume for just a moment that you are wrong>Spills a wall of textPitch data measured earth flat welcome to flat earth>>41945901>Zero pitch means aircraft nose is pointing perpendicularly to the gravity vectorGravity doesn't exist retard >Those are units of length, not "linear flat distances"A simple Google search would disagree >Thinking that refraction is magic is evidence for the aforementioned spherical brain of yours.You don't have refraction. Bet you the whole damn farm and everyone's salary that you will not reply to this post and tell me what the law of refraction states, because then your idiot shit goes down the drain afterward
>>41946851>Earths measured flatno its not, who told you that?got a source? citation?NO YOUTUBE.
>>41946752>of course i did, i was traveling around the globe before google and the internet even existed.Traveling is not measuring the earth and lived experience isn't evidence. Go fuck yourself like>>41946756Here's all the measurements I have a list of that are flat. You aren't allowed to use them though because you're a baller, so don't steal themUpDownAboveBelowAltitude Latitude Elevation AngleHorizonHorizontal LinearLine of sightLevelPlumbEye levelSea levelSurface levelPlaneGridNavigationMilesNautical milesKilometers NorthSouthEastWest Azimuth ZenithSource for all these being flat and linear: SIMPLE GOOGLE ENGINE SEARCH(exception being nautical miles, google lies and tells you they measure a ball, debunked by the nautical almanac)
>>41946875>Traveling is not measuring the earthof course it is, otherwise i would never arrive where and when i wanted to. >Here's all the measurements I have a list of that are flat.sweetie, there is no such thing as a "flat measurement".who told you that nonsense? got a source? a citation?NO YOUTUBE.
>>41946875>LatitudeSpherical coordinate but you forgot longitude that goes with it.>Azimuth>AltitudeSpherical coordinatesHere's some more spherical coordinates you forgot to mention:>Right ascension>Declination>Ecliptic longitude>Ecliptic latitude>Galactic longitude>Galactic latitude
Continuing to play devil's advocate.>>41946650Take the typical flat map that flatties use. Adjust the distance west-east cost around the middle to be the correct distance based on the globe. Pretend that the new map is the correct represenatation of how the earth is in reality. And the fuel calculations for the US will be perfectly reasonable for any sorts of trips you may take.>>41946666>we know that with 100% certainty.>Source "trust me bro".No, you don't know that, unless you beg the question one more time.>are always the same from A to BYeah no flattie says that distances change, what are you on about?>the shortest route from Paris to Moscow is EXACTLY AND PRECISELY 2,834 kmHow do you know? And don't say because the globe says so, my point is how do YOU know? And in any case, paris to Moscow is a very small distance once more, it's like half the coast-to-coast distance in the US, and check what I said about that above.>EXACTLY 2,834 kmNot that exact. Like I said my GPS doesn't agree with my wheels, especially at those distances, also changing lanes increases the distance you drive because you go diagonally for a while. Tire pressure changes the diameter of the tires. We cannot trust the GPS like I said cause it could have easily being programmed to show distances as on a globe. So how again do YOU know you did that "EXACT" distance? You don't. Also, ONCE MORE. You are not talking about OTHER arguments, not about shipping lanes or flight paths which was supposed to be the BEST argument that needed no elaboration. So did you give up on your badly stated argument at last?>>41946740>Miles are a flat and linear distanceWhat the fuck are you talking about? Miles is a measure of length, there's no need to measure flat only things with it. See picrel.>>41946758You're yet another retard trying to define himself into being correct. Lol next life ask for a brain retard. "earth's measured flat hur dur I said so many times"
>>41946851>You mean a raw data that is a description and stands on its own?No. I mean raw data. You take the tape out, put it on top of your dick, and read a number off of the tape. That's just raw data. What you later do with that to form a model of your dick is unrelated. The raw data only mean you looked at a measurement and you saw some value. It could have errors, you could be misusing the tool, you could have bad vision etc. It doesn't stand on it's own, and it's not a description of anything by itself.>A measurement is describedWhat fuck does this even mean?>is you don't understand any of the words you're usingLol sure, you hardly understand that miles is a unit of length but sure let's get advice on words from you, moron.>The conclusion is that it's a measurement and stands on its own once you measure something.No they don't. A measurement is a measurement. It's literally a number you read from a tool. It's a number. I can put a tape around a basketball and get a number. If I just convey the number to you, you still don't know if we're talking about a ball's diameter, or my dick size. Specifically for the earth, whether it was flat or round, you can lay tape on it and measure lengths along the ground, BECAUSE UNITS OF LENGTH CAN measure any length, whether flat, straight, vertical, horizontal, curved.>they would be debating something that isn't up for debateThe moment you think there is no debate, you should excuse yourself and leave the adults handle the debate. BTFO troll, you cannot define your moronic position as "correct" or "undebatable".>THAT WILL TELL YOU EARTHS MEASURED FLATYou keep saying that mantra as if it means something. If you had anything of value to say you'd have explained it by now.>>Spills a wall of text>tl;drs, because he is clearly beyond debating people because he defined himself to be correct.Sometimes I wish I knew how you people can be so over-the-top stupid and not be ashamed of yourselves even as anons.
>>41946851>Pitch data measured earth flat welcome to flat earthDo you know what a gravity vector is? Clearly not. Pitch is measured against that. And a gravity vector exists both on a flat earth and on a globe earth. It's the direction things fall towards, take notes kid. Now reread what I said before about airplanes, retard, but this time try to remember what a gravity vector is. inb4 there's no gravity, DOESN'T MATTER, even if gravity doesn't exist, I told you what we mean by gravity vector.>Gravity doesn't exist retardOH HAHAHAHAH sorry I hadn't reached that point in your retarded reply yet and I tried to inb4 it. HAHAHAHAH you are such a predictable smoothbrain. It doesn't matter if it exists you fucking idiot.>A simple Google search would disagreeYeah I did, it's a unit of length according to everyone. And even if it wasn't, which it is, it can be used to measure length so my argument still stands.>that you will not reply to this post and tell me what the law of refraction statesOK let me pretend to be an encyclopedia for some reason. Light changes direction when passing from one material to another and the materials in which light has different phase velocities. Like air with different temperature or air mixed with water vapor. And there's no refraction law, wtf is that. You mean Snell's law? You realize that this law is the macro description of what happens in the case of two materials right? While in a complex case like refraction over the sea at long distances you have a continuum of layers of only slightly different refraction indexes. Make your point.
>>41946875>Random words in a list, some are directions, others are points in your FOV, others are abstract notions like Linear, claims all of them are flat (whatever that means for words like "Up" or "Zenith" because GooGLe ENgINE SAId SO!1!Take your meds schizo.
>>41947238>No, you don't know thatyes, we do. >how do you know the distance between paris and moscow?how do you NOT know the distance between them?its called "travel". this is the point where you lose.>uh uh uh uh>distances arent real!>you cant actually know the distance from A to B!you lost. >apparently all flatties have to do now, is take a long trip anywhere from A to B>did the globe map work?>yesthere ya go, globe wins again.
>>41947238>No, you don't know thatwatch this:>hey family! lets take a family vacation to X!>yay!>we drive to X>we arrived exactly where we wanted at the time we wantedwhoa, thats incredible, the globe map works!
>>41947431>yes, we do.Pro hint: when someone says you don't know X, you reply how you know X, you don't say "yes I know it", that's what 5 year olds do.>how do you NOT know the distance between them?Excuse are you asking me to prove that I don't know something? Are you retarded?>its called "travel".You still refuse to elaborate, you fucking braindead zoomer.- I know god exists.- How?- Duh, it's called scrubbing your armpit. Obviously.The rest of your post is written so badly that I don't care to even continue doing devil's advocate and reply to it. Stop using 90% of mock quotes, how the fuck should I answer. Not only you suck at putting down any actual arguments, you also make it hard for sane people to reply to you by making your posts unquotable. Eat a bag of dicks. You're worse than the flatties.
>>41947462>we arrived exactly where we wanted at the time we wanted1) this doesn't happen, timing is almost always off by more than the difference you'd get for using the wrong map projection when traveling with your family.You know what. Fuck off. I've already said these things a million times, you obviously don't even read my posts because your zoomer brain cannot focus on more than three sentences. Why I am bothering to write the same shit again.------I'm calling it once more: this fag is a flattie who is pulling a false flag. He cannot be that retarded and still know how to press "Post".
>>41947468>this fucking retard said "people get lost when they used the globe map">literally never happened, he gave no examples, just said it, and ran awayelaborate.elaborate on this.>You still refuse to elaborateelaborate on what? on the word "travel"?elaborate on what you want to elaborate on. >>41947481>this doesn't happenwhat doesnt happen? people never arrive where they wanted after they used a globe map? and on time?elaborate.elaborate A LOT about this. here, a list who used a globe map and got lost:----->You know what. Fuck off.dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
>>41947552NEET zoomers who don't read posts anyhow, don't deserve a human response. Here's an LLM reply for you fag:You misread again. I was playing devil's advocate to show why your argument needs elaboration. People DO get lost despite using maps - that's why GPS recalculating exists.The point: You claim shipping lanes prove the globe but won't explain HOW. Just repeating "it works" isn't an argument. Either show:- Fuel calculations that only work on a sphere- Time/distance data impossible on flat earth- Specific routes that can't work on AE projectionOr keep spamming. Your choice proves who's actually thinking here.
>>41947611>im just a faggot advocatenobody cares.>Fuel calculations that only work on a spherewhat does this even mean?what do you expect people to post in reply to this sentence?>Time/distance data impossible on flat earth........what?what does this sentence even mean? what do you want people to do with this sentence?>Specific routes that can't work on AE projection............what?
>>41947633>what does this even mean?Sydney to Santiago flight: 12.5 hours, ~11,300km route.If Earth were flat (AE map): distance would be ~25,000km.That's over twice the distance in the same time, and exceeds the maximum range of a 747.>........what?Your "shipping lanes prove globe" needs actual data like above.You provided none.>............what?Southern hemisphere flights would require impossible speeds on flat earth maps.This is the elaboration you refused to provide for your own argument.
>>41946897Uhhmm No "sweetie", a measurement requires a tool/instrument, unit of measurement, and value.Traveling isn't measuring distances, you can't measure distances without measuring earth flat because they all measure earth flat>Who told youNo one did, except every measurement of earth>>41946985No dummy, latitude lines don't ever intersect with the exceptions being Cartesian coordinate maps or mercator projections, because they are flat out square grids. Longitude is different they aren't the elevation angles to Polaris.>Here's some more spherical coordinates you forgot to mentionAstronomy is a pseudoscience, again tell us the first step in science experiment, because astronomy will violate it
>>41947238>What the fuck are you talking about? Miles are a linear distance meaning straight and flat, ask Google dumbfuck>You're yet another retard trying to define himself into being correct. When a measurement is described to you this is how you cope-respond lol. It would be axiomatically correct because they're descriptions. Yes I'm correct dumbo>>41947288We looked for measurable earth curve sonny, all we end up doing is measuring earth flat. We would be measuring the geometry of a ball at a 3959 mile radius and we never do. >BECAUSE UNITS OF LENGTH CAN measure any lengthYou mean only the lengths that are linear distances according to Google search. Inches, feet, yards, miles, meters, kilometers, get fucked kike lmao>The moment you think there is no debate, you should excuse yourself and leave the adults handle the debateDunning kruger clown wants to pretend to be an adult, how cute>>41947367>Do you know what a gravity vector is? Gravity doesn't exist, cope kike. Vectors are mathematical objects not physical measurements of earth geometry. Another kike trying to sound smart so he can weasel away like a bitch>you have a continuum of layers of only slightly different refraction indexesDesperate kike attempt to mix refractive index with refraction. You don't have Refraction in a gradient you literally just SAID IT YOURSELF"from one material to the other"That means you don't have atmo Refraction. Snells law isn't in one medium with a gradient
>>41945902>Seeing people are brain dead to learn how to click a link "omg spam" "omg I am basement dweller who has no hands" "I'm a loser who can't learn things". All of you and then some.Are you ok?
>>41947928>Astronomy is a pseudoscienceWhether it is or isn't is irrelevant. What matters is that the coordinate system of right ascension and declination can only work on a sphere.
>>41945966>Have they ever posted a map that isn't distorted and the distances make sense? They can't even seem to understand why it matters. That's what makes this these threads so funny.
>>41948126>this theseThis one in particular and these ones in general
What I hate about flat earthers the most is shilling of their retarded dishonest videos for profit.Also pretending they actually debate you meanwhile completely ignoring your points and just keep shilling their garbage.
Here's a personal question for flat earthers.Have you ever tried convincing people in your personal life that the earth is flat and how did it go? I'm talking about friends/family and coworkers. Did they laugh at you?
>>41946009Sonic sez: The Earth is flat!
>>41948004>ask Google dumbfuckI gave you the definition of mile from wikipedia moron, where do you think Google Search is getting the info it's showing? And who made Google Search the authority anyhow, is this a joke?> When a measurement is described to you this is how you cope-respond lol. It would be axiomatically correct because they're descriptions. Yes I'm correct dumboI thought of modifying your quote to mock you and bring out the stupidity, but I decided to just copy paste as-is cause I couldn't have done a better job at making you sound dumb.> all we end up doing is measuring earth flatOh my fucking god so all this time with this sentence you mean that you measured the earth, and the measurement came out showing the earth is flat. Holy shit you can't even write English properly. I thought you kept saying that the way you measure the earth is by assuming it's flat. I hope you're an ESLfag.Here's some LLM for you too fag, cause morons deserve the LLM:>LLM: Based on the grammatical structure, "I measure something flat" means option 2: you measured something while assuming or treating it as flat. The word "flat" here functions as an object complement describing the state of the object during the measurement. It's similar to constructions like "I paint the wall red" (painting while making it red) or "I consider him honest" (considering him while assuming he's honest). If you meant option 1 (discovering flatness through measurement), you'd typically say "I measure something as flat" or "I measure something to be flat.">Dunning kruger clown wants to pretend to be an adult, how cuteYou such at English itself, you uses google search as a source, but yeah I'm the Dunning kruger clown here, sure. >Gravity doesn't exist,Which part of "it doesn't matter if it exists or not" did you fail to understand? It was a simple sentence. Is that too hard for your brain to grasp as a sentence? Do I need to bring the LLM to explain again?
After learning that space if fake and gay I've come to detest anything related to science-fiction, aliens and similar pop-culture hogwash.Intresdastingly probably 50% of the nonsense being discussed in /x/ is related to that as well which just goes to show how persuasive it is.
>>41948004> Vectors are mathematical objectsSo are scalars fuckhead.>not physical measurements of earth geometryExplain how a measurement resulting in a scalar is more real than a measurement resulting in a vector.>Desperate kike attempt to mix refractive index with refractionOh sorry yeah refractive index is completely unrelated to refraction, what was I thinking trying to mix the two. Hahahahah what is this cope?>SAID IT YOURSELF "from one material to the other"That's not what I said, are you having trouble reading and understanding text too? I said Snell's law as seen in picrel is the law for two materials. Refraction happens any time the light enters a material where it has different phase velocity. The change can be sudden, on a border, or it can be gradual, on a near infinite amount of borders between tiny layers each having slightly different refractive index. You can use calculus to calculate how it will bend over a gradually changing refractive index.>Snell's law isn't in one medium with a gradientI bet you don't even know what calculus is bitch: https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Optics/Geometric_Optics_(Tatum)/01:_Reflection_and_Refraction/1.08:_Differential_Form_of_Snell's_Law>If there is a medium in which the refractive index is changing continuously, a differential form of Snell’s law may be useful. This is obtained simply by differentiation
>>41921174Timewasting well poisoning psyop, it could be flat, could be round, could be rectangular what difference does it make
>>41947367NASA uses underwater for training like they did for the "moon landing".
>>41947928>elevation angles to PolarisWhich only work on a sphere.Move 111km south and the angle to Polaris drops by 1°. Move another 111km and it drops another degree.There's a linear relation between your distance to the north pole and the elevation angle to Polaris. This would not be the case on a flat earth.Also you guys never mention the south celestial pole. How does that fit into your model?
>>41949305>Move 111km south and the angle to Polaris drops by 1°. Move another 111km and it drops another degree.Super strong argument, they won't address it, they'll handwave it with some shit like stars being magical so they can show up wherever they want.
>>41949305Here's a 3D version of that .gifhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3dlyBAp_uU&t=100s
>>41948538>I used Wikipedia >Now here's why you cannot use GoogleIgnoring the rest of the horseshit babble you just said which is just semantics and yapperyEarth is measured flat, that is coherent proper english retard. You don't make a presumption or presupposition for a measurement, it's the result afterward when you measure it>>41948612>So are scalars fuckheadFlat earth isn't about speed dummy. all distance measurements of earth are flatIf you would simply open your eyes and reread the statement in this pic>>41948004Saying that refractive index of a medium is the same as the law of refraction is a sharpshooter fallacy.Snells law doesn't use calculus retard, it used refractive indices to predict the change of angle of light when it passes through the boundary between 2 media. That calculus horseshit you're bringing up is a modified snells law“Some people have worried about how to apply the refraction law to such a horizontal ray of light, because it does not cross any horizontal boundaries between denser and less-dense air in a stratified atmosphere. (In general, the curvature of the ray is different from the curvature of the Earth's surface; but here, we are only concerned with rays that bend just enough to follow the curve of the Earth.) The simplest solution to the “horizontal-ray paradox” is to remind ourselves that “rays” are an unrealistic mental construct: in reality, we always have a beam of light; infinitely narrow “rays” don't really exist”.Andrew Thomas Young: San Diego State University, Astronomy department.https://aty.sdsu.edu/explain/atmos_refr/bending.htmlRAYS DONT EXIST
>>41949347>Super strong argumentIt also applies to the Sun. Let's say the Sun has an elevation angle of 30° from your location. If you move 111km towards the Sun its elevation angle will increase by 1° which would be 31°.1° change per every 111km.This works for any direction. Pick a random star and move 111km in its direction and it will appear 1° higher in the sky.
>>41921174Yea because the bitch is round
>>41921174Everything that appears in this world is inverted and perversed, therefore the conclusion is simple. If the jew tells you that the world is round it is the complete opposite.The world is concave and we live inside it.I have spoken.The earth is concave. We live inside it. I have spoken.
>>41949305This is probably the most retarded gif I've ever encountered, congrats. Thanks for proving the earth flat. You can't see the side view of your own head it isn't comparable to the viewers perspective >Also you guys never mention the south celestial pole. How does that fit into your model?Who is "you guys" and what "model"? I never claimed a map of the entire flat earth.We already gave the case for the southern rotation or sigma oceantis. Clockwise and counterclockwise or going in circles are not cardinal directions
I'm not a flat earther, though I'm completely comfortable with the idea. I am, however, a committed geocentrist.
>>41949658Sigma ocantis*
>>41949655Concavers are worse than globers. The black swan means the earth cannot be concave or convexedStar trails and elevation angles prove earths flat. It's over, gpt or AI won't help globers
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>>41921174I believe in FAT earth not flat earth
>>41948157Nah it's a waste of time. If they ask questions I am happy to explain my beliefs, but you will NEVER change someone's mind with a debate.
>>41948157Fun story: I was on a private Christian school board. One guy did some digging on me and found out I am a flat earther. I never talked about it, but also didn't deny it. They voted to kick me off the board.
>>41921174Of course not, the idea is an oxymoron.
i dont believe in flat earth, but this memes funny cuz it makes normgroids so mad
