So God likes evil too? Good and evil. I've read a lot of near death experiences and people who left their bodies as spirits met God and most often are met with unconditional love. And when they ask for forgiveness, God tells them stuff that everything is in PERFECT divine order and nothing has to be forgiven. Including all the mistakes or nasty stuff.I guess it makes sense? Nature itself is riddled with brutality and God (or the Creator) created creatures that love to kill and eat flesh.
>>41940863>Nature itself is riddled with brutality and God (or the Creator) created creatures that love to kill and eat flesh.You consider THAT evil? A lion eating a gazelle just is man. What's evil is for-profit prison systems intentionally creating an 80% recidivism rate to keep people trapped in mass incarceration for profit.What animals do can't even compare to the evil that God delights in seeing humans commit.
>>41940967God made jews so if you think they are evil, blame God for making evil things.
>>41940863No, it's forgiven because they were mistakes, but eventually we'll all return to the narrow path.Mistakes, or they don't know any better for the time being, in the case of younger spirits who are currently living as animals.And regarding the nature's brutality, some say nature on Earth is like this due to having been tempered with by the negative spirituality, but nonetheless, God only allows the non-Light to act if their actions can unwillingly play a part in God's plans.It's only a brief moment of pain in their eternal existence, but the fight for survival greatly helps their intelectual growth.>God writes straight with crooked lines
>>41940863There are 5 gangstalking threads on /x/, but God isn't evil
>>41941063God doesn't frame it as mistakes though in those visions or experiences. He declares that it is all in divine and perfect order. He doesn't judge or condemn it at all. Which also wouldn't make sense because God made all that is evil, we couldn't even choose evil if God didn't create it in the first place.>And regarding the nature's brutality, some say nature on Earth is like this due to having been tempered with by the negative spirituality.And the rest of the universe isn't? Cold, hostile, radiated, dangerous and devouring.
>>41940863yes, you figured it out. "evil" is just another exploration of infinite possibilities, and the fact of the matter is that a life with a fair amount of evil in it is a lot more exciting, and provides more learning than a lifetime of good and obedience. this matrix simulation is built for us to explore what is like being wrong, imperfect, evil, etc, end therefore, ironically, when you do evil things, or act wrong, you are fulfilling your purpose all the same.>>41940961>You consider THAT evil? A lion eating a gazelle just is man. >What's evil is for-profit prison systems intentionally creating an 80% recidivism rate to keep people trapped in mass incarceration for profit.you could say the same for both examples, it's literally just a matter of perspective. From the gazelle's perspective, lions are eating his kind, as far the gazelle is concerned, lions are evil, they just simply don't have the mean to verbalize it. From a human perspective, the oppressive economic system and the people in control of it represent evil, we look at the lion and gazelle without feeling, as they are simply following their programming, from an even higher perspective, humans too are simply following their programming, including all the intricacies of language and the human mind, there is no evil, just the logical outcome of the particular setup of the human brain
>>41940863Satan often appears as an angel of light
>>41941107What is there to learn? All the knowledge already exists on the other side.
>>41940863god *draws a stark* contrast with evil.god does NOT associate with evil.
>>41941090I guess mistakes was the wrong word, it's more like taking a longer path to learn what's healthier though our own experiences.>And the rest of the universe isn't?Not all of it.
>>41941113Even the bible God says he is the source of evil too.
>>41941110how to wake up. learning is not about acquiring knowledge, that is a human perception, it's more about training your soul's inner compass until the matrix of illusions can't fool you anymore, and once you learn you can help other souls going through that journey
>>41941117What places in the universe are welcoming, safe and without entropy, death or anyone or anything devouring someone or something else?
>>41941123Ok that makes more sense. But I don't get why souls who are in the bliss of God's presence and completely fulfilled are send down here to experience the most retarded and painful shit just to wake themselves up? It seems really dumb and evil.Like imagine you are a Billionaire living in beautiful and safe conditions, but you decide to get amnesia and send down into an indian slum to get raped in a gay brothel and suffer from diarrhea spraying shit everywhere because you want to remember you were a Billionaire. You'd probably call that person really retarded and weird.
Hmm maybe it’s like you are a piece of the universe doing calculations to entertain itself and it came to the conclusion that it can’t have too many avatars. So it did death as a way to recycle itself. I would like to believe atleast the universe does find certain things humans do unnecessary. You know I feel like the universe would like to explore itself and uses avatars for that. Why does it feel like humans are stuck on earth? Or do they have to be good boys to be slaves for those that are space faring already,
>>41941132Worlds at an evolutionary stage were all people have learned to grow through love, rather than needing pain to teach them how it's not worth to continue choosing some paths.And it's this stage that the Earth is heading in the next decades—but gradually, not suddenly.
>>41941192This makes it sound like everyone is just a brainwashed hippie hivemind. If people retain their individuality you can never have a world where everything is just love and no one ever hurts or devours the other.
>>41941107>From the gazelle's perspective, lions areA part of the circle of life. Just as the Gazelle kills grass to live. The lion is keeping the gazelle's numbers in check, keeping them fit. Predation serves a purpose in the ecosystem. Moreover, the lion takes the gazelle's life in a moment.Compare that to putting the Gazelle in a cage it's entire life, never letting it see sunlight, never letting it have fresh greens.A lot of people in prison would rather straight up be killed.
>>41941113>god does NOT associate with evil.1st chapter of Job you heretic.
>>41941107>you could say the same for both examplesDouble reply but...The Gazelle thinks the lions are 'bad'. There is a difference between 'bad' and 'evil'. I don't call a bee stinging me 'evil'. It's bad, certainly, but not 'evil'. A human locking another human in a basement and torturing them for years is 'evil'. It's sad that you don't understand the difference.
>>41941213No, you can, because everyone can choose not to inflict suffering on others or themselves, but that comes with wisdom.
>>41941303God is the most wise of all and he created suffering so how is it not wise?
>>41941314God is pure, unconditional love. Love can only exist if there's who to be loved, i.e. us, and unconditional love means setting someone to be free, even if that means letting they choose suffering during their spiritual infancy (which we're in), before they learn to make better choices.
>>41941444>Love can only exist if there's who to be loved, i.e. us, and unconditional love means setting someone to be freeThose are all parameters set by God. He could change it to anything else. Nothing has to be any specific way with God. God could decide that it is 100% logical that unconditional love doesn't mean freedom and it would be so.
>>41941444so did god not love the angels? or other creations that don't have the will to disobey? angels are understood to be agents of god they do not have free will much in the same way that your arm doesn't have free will.
>>41941462All creation has the will, but many, such as angels, have learned better and choose to always be aligned with God. Free will in that sense means "being able to act not in accordance to the divine principles".
>>41941491>Hey so ur totally free cause I love you but if you don't pick the path that I decided is better u will suffer foreverWow this is TRUE FREEDOM OF CHOICE! And not blackmail.
>>41941510That's not what I meant. These divine principles are like other laws of nature, like gravity; any suffering caused by it is self-inflicted.
>>41941519God designed these laws. So he's basically giving people the illusion of choice but ultimately if you don't do what he has in mind you will suffer.
>>41941608I suppose it's more of a consequence than its design: We all are one, so an act against someone is an act against oneself.
>>41941813Well but apparently God wants evil acts otherwise why do they exist? The argument that they have to or you can't have good without evil is just human logic, God can change that.
>>41940863>false assumption that all NDEs are inspired by God
>>41941894You can't really tell if anything was inspired by God.
>>41941890How would you know good without knowing evil?
>>41941907The statement only makes sense for humans, because we learn through contrast and experience... but God set that system up and he could simply change it. It's like asking if you can imagine the color Hubabudlalula. I can't and neither can you. But God could create that color and make us see it if he wants to.God could create a world where humans understand good not by contrast with evil, but by direct participation in goodness itself. Instead of learning morally through pain, wrongdoing or deprivation, we could just possess an innate clarity of mind and will that perceives goodness the way one perceives truth in mathematics. He could ground human knowledge of good in his own nature, allowing people to know love and choose the good through understanding, communion and fulfillment rather than through the experience of evil.
>>41941890A spirit doesn't experience evil or pain in higher planes. It exists because they're temporary growing pains that allows a spirit to have a fuller, more complete experience that makes us become something more than if we never knew good and evil.
>>41940961>for profit prison systemslions>people trapped in mass incarceration for profit gazellesyou missed the forest because of the trees
>>41942004This doesn't really make sense. Why does incarnating as an indian toddler getting gangraped in a ditch give you a fuller experience? And when does it end? If you want "all experiences" you will undergo every dirty, horrible experience. It will never end. There's always a new horror to experience and to "grow and learn"....
>>41942014No dude. You just have poor vision and think every blur looks like another.The lion doesn't keep the gazelle alive just to prolong its suffering. The relationship between the lion and gazelle is one of harmony. The worst part is YOU are the reason the evil exists. Yes YOU anon. Because YOU are so fucking stupid you defend evil. Because you are so fucking blind you lack all distinction and understanding. You sit and defend fucking abhorrent evil with a smug grin thinking you've understood, when really you're less sentient than a fucking fly.
>>41941056John 8:44
>>41942052God made the Devil and he made Jews too."I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
So where is this God guy at?
>>41940961>A lion eating a gazelle just is man.Almost all animals engage in cannibalism too. Is that evil? If not, why is it evil when a human does it?
>>41942205>If not, why is it evil when a human does it?I mean, depends on context. We don't call it evil if you're in a plane crash and one of you dies first.But if you're down the street from a supermarket and abducting people just to be a cannibal? Yea.
Evil is a product of God's absence He literally has nothing to do with it But he does utilize it for goodBecause he is all good and all loving
>>41942252>Evil is a product of God's absenceYeah yeah we all heard this cope before. Take it to /his/ where there are people as stupid as you and are content to argue with you about desert fables.
>>41940863>God tells them stuff that everything is in PERFECT divine order and nothing has to be forgiven. Including all the mistakes or nasty stuff.Because it all gets wiped away and they're reincarnated anyways. Think about it, if you theseus shipped hitler into john goodguy with no memory of being hitler, would you hate john goodguy for what hitler did? He doesn't give a fuck, because in a sickly sweet way, we're all just blank slates waiting to happen. The guy to your left or your right could have been a great man, a saint, a visionary, or a mass murderer, a tyrant; doesn't matter though, they're them now. Justice is a human concept, in the greater cosmos there is might = right, and mutually assured destruction. We don't have a moral compass watching over us, we have a collective of survivors who don't kill each other only because they know they'd all die.
>>41942252>Evil is a product of God's absenceNope. Unless you believe God isn't omnipotent and a victim of logic. Otherwise all that exists (including absence) is designed by God.
>>41942252God is at least a few aliens circlejerking in a council, the moral compass of which oscillates between using this planet as a torture battery and enslaving humanity.
There is a very very thin membrane of rules and regulations keeping humanity categorized as people, but the system around these rules operate fundamentally the same as a human bureaucracy, scarily so. Meaning they can find loopholes.
maybe, idk and idc
>>41942271If God exists, evil does not exist. What appears to be evil is actually a privation of good. Privations are absences. Absences do not exist. Evil is an illusion.
>>41940863There is no universal good and evil, it's subjective.
Calling them evil would be giving them to much creditThey simply lack orderly direction
>>41942313Saying evil is just the absence of God doesn't work if God is truly omnipotent. Nothing... presence or absence... could exist outside God's power or design. An "absence of good" would either mean God cannot prevent it or does not control it, which already denies omnipotence. Absence also isn't an independent force... it's simply a condition within reality. If God created all reality then the conditions in which evil appears must ultimately be permitted or intended by God. Calling evil an absence doesn't explain it. If God is the source of all being then any so-called absence of God (or his goodness) is itself a state sustained within the reality God created. You cannot explain evil by pointing to a void that God supposedly did not design, because an omnipotent creator would also determine where and how such a void could exist.
>>41942333>what a heccin wholesome sycophant>synchronicity of approval>now tell us "thanks for the synchronicity, kind stranger!" and do the thing tooIf everything is subjective, then there is no point in anything being subjective. If you end up with a lobster near your testicles, subjectively the lobster may think it's sat in front of some grapes and grab a bite to eat; while you would subjectively think "OW FUCK OW OW OW! GAAAAAHHHH!"Where is the constructive point in saying these two experiences are subjective? Of course they are, does that mean you should become a neutral monk-like thrall and abandon all subjectiveness? Well guess what, you can't; because that would stem from a subjective desire, and lead to fucking zilch in terms of objectivity. "There is no point, it just is" is a subjective observation too fuckhead. Fuck outta here with your quasi-wisdom.
>>41940863God isn't good or evil . . . He's kinda beyond that . . . He's good in the sense he loves you and wants the best for you . . .But he can't really let you be you . . . Condem you or praise you. . . If you don't get to be . . . Well what ever it is you are frenHe loves you no matter what you do . . . And he loves all his creation . . . He simply let's you be you But creation requires a degree of . . . Savagery . . . Think bears and deer. . . And our corruption begins with our own inability to overcome our animalistic nature Evil is of our own design; the devil is literally powerless in the sense it never can nor will ever take a form, it's a being of pure consciousness and simply corrupts others to do its . . . Well pleasures . . . It just seeks others given form to fulfill its desires since God forever denied evil a form So it tries to use its great intelligence God gave it out of necessity. . . But never form . . . It can only steal form from other . . . .humans angels aliens etc. So all evil comes from willing submission to it
>>41942398I didn't say it was an absence of goodIt said it was a privatization of good. Which is created when people or a force doe not seek him. It's practically the definition of a rebellion against God, which is what Satan did. It is a paradox. An illusion. It's existence does not necessarily mean it is permitted by God nor does it invalidate his omnipotence. A stolen heavenA war for souls
>>41942430>But creation requires a degree of . . . Savagery .Why does anything require anything?>Evil is of our own designWhat do I have to do with parasites, decay, rot and animals killing each other?
>>41942435>I didn't say it was an absence of goodDoesn't change anything. You can call it what you want. Privatization of good? Who created that and set it into our reality? God did. You couldn't even think of anything evil or to go against God if God didn't create that as a possibility in the first place.>rebellion against God, which is what Satan did.Satan just did what God created him for.It's not a matter of free will because other angels didn't want to rebel but Satan did. Why is that? Clearly something was different about Satan's heart. Who made his heart? God. So behind everything it's literally God yet again.
>>41942444Okay D#
>>41942436Why those same function at the level of nature are occurring in your body every day . . . Parasites bacteria . . . Your always under attack fren and 99.999999% of the time God makes sure nothing happens You have a whole army of lesser entites figuring out what's invading you and fighting off decay and rot internally We call these WHITE blood cells The planet is a body in the same manner . . . And their is good and evil Whire blood cells and forign bodies from other Planets and dimensions
>>41942444>Who created that and set it into our reality? God did.>So behind everything it's literally God yet again.Even if he is omnipotent, you are assuming God wants direct and total control over everything that goes on. I'd argue letting things happen naturally and organically as much as possible is the path of truth and wisdom, even beauty.Basically I think God has more respect for other perspectives than you give him credit for. What we're dealing with here is just the natural consequence of free willed souls growing up the hard way.
>>41942378not "orderly" for you, it's the perfect show for us
>>41943130Sure, he can let things play out without controlling them but he still created the game itself. So If I set up a game with a lot of fucked up monsters, disease, pain and then put in my characters... even if I let them do what they want to a certain degree, they will still suffer from the things I put into the game.> free willed souls growing up the hard wayHow do we have free will? We are just characters in a game with limited choice and ultimately victims of God's whims. I can kind of decide what bread I eat or what job I will start, but most things in my life are completely out of my control. My genetics, the air I breathe, the colors around me, death, how things move and shift on the planet.
>>41943276It's a show for the aeons not your kind . . . Your just the props that make the story go
Wrong. God did not create imperfection. God did not create predators.When the kingdom of God comes to earth, every creature will eat grass. Wolves will eat grass, and lions, and dogs. Sharks will eat seaweed.>the wolf will lie down with the lambGod's peace will be on every living creature and none of them will be able to break God's laws and kill another creature.Why do you think there's so much grass? It grows fast too.
>>41942264That's gay. There must be an option to separate oneself from this garbage.
>>41943497God did unless you wanna claim that there are things outside of Gods imagination and control lmao
>>41940863God didn't create evil. Evil is an offshoot of free will given to conscious beings. It is a choice we make when deciding to go on with our physical experiences.If God created all conscious beings, and he truly is a loving God, then of course he is going to love you no matter what you did. However, that doesn't mean you won't answer for your deeds in other ways - either through incarnating into an existence to make up for it or spending so much time in a dark place until you grow and move past your dark ways.
>>41943497awfully materialistic take. God made everything the way it is for a reason
>>41943770I believe there is. I personally don't believe in the loosh or prison planet theory - NDEs make it clear that our physical experiences are only meant for spiritual growth, and once we reach certain milestones on our spiritual growth through physical incarnations then we can choose to help those without having to reincarnate and reset.
>>41943897have you maybe considered that on a divine cosmic scale that evil is actually good? How can someone become a hero and save others if there is no villain to overcome?
>>41943897I'm so tired of you brainlets.If God made EVERYTHING then he also created evil. The way free will is designed itself a state sustained within the reality God created. Also, I hope you're not christian or muslim because both believe that humans can only do good in heaven (not do evil) and still have 100% free will somehow.
>>41943915A villain exists because they chose to do bad things - a hero can exist by doing good things even without a villain. Neither one need one or the other to exist, they simply are.Example: Jesus in his spiritual teachings didn't come down here to fight evil or slay a villain. He came down here to teach compassion, love, good deeds, and lead by example. One could argue he only did that because of the evil in the world - or one could argue he did it out of pure love and to set the standard we should strive towards. He didn't need to have evil exist in the world to show kindness. Same with someone who does evil - they don't need good to exist to do evil deeds.
>>41943940"I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."lol lmao
God permits Satanic forces to rule, lead. guide, and direct men where they desire to overlook God's word. That's why there are conflicting near death experiences. The dimension of spiritual reality enter either by occult practices or other means is where satan is temporarily allowed to rule the world. Those experiences are lies to people who want to deny God. If man demands a lie, God permits it. (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Jesus Christ is God who came in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then resurrected and ascended to heaven, and will return soon to judge the world. Will you choose His righteousness? (Rom. 10:3)Rom. 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! The gift of salvation can't be earned, it is a gift: Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own deeds, He atoned for your sins on the cross.After you're saved, you are a child of God and nothing will separate you from His love. (Rom. 8:38-39)
>>41943952God states in the bible that he created darkness and evil btw. This means God is also evil.
>>41943940I don't agree and I'm not talking about Jesus. You cannot be a certain type of hero if there is no villain. How can anyone's soul experience saving hostages if there is nobody to create hostages? Have you ever considered that maybe God wants a few souls that have experienced that?
>>41943962If God brings evil on someone, why does that make God evil? For example: If a murderer murders someone, and then God brings evil on that person, why does that make God evil? I would argue that if God rewarded that murderer for not doing good by not bringing them evil, that would make evil and unjust. Sin has to be dealt with justly.
>>41943981God drowned children and babies that had no chance to escape or repent in the Flood. Among many other crazy shit he allegedly did. He also openly admits he is the source and creator of evil. So it seems fair to assume that God is a nuanced being with good and evil in him.
>>41943997So God can give someone a physical body but Hes not allowed to take it from them? How does that make God evil? God knows every future possible. He knows perfectly well who repents to God and who doesn't. God is not evil at all. He is is holy. You can't know things perfectly from the point of view of God and judge whether He is being just or unjust with your own assumptions about God. Psalms 92:15“To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.”Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
>>41944024God painfully drowning innocent babies is pretty evil, yeah. He could have just not allowed the baby or child to be born in the first place instead of having a short, painful and traumatizing life for no fucking reason. As God knows the future.
>>41944042The Bible doesn't even say that though. It's possible that God took those who were to grown enough to be accountable yet out of the world before the flood. He took Enoch out before it happened. You don't know exactly what happened or how painful it was or wasn't. Yes, it's unfair how babies are born to abusive families etc. But how can you know for certain that God can't make it right afterwards? Are you entire sure about that? Are you sure the cause of the trouble is not that you have lost your faith in the word of God and, upon rejecting His truth, have believed a lie in order that you might be damned (2 Thess. 2:10-12)?
>>41944087Unlikely because babies (animals and human) suffer extremely all the time in our current time. Baby animals are eaten alive. Human children get cancer or molested by people (and God doesn't prevent it, literally knows the kid will be born to be abused and then killed, still lets it happen)... >But how can you know for certain that God can't make it right afterwards?I'm sure he can make it well afterwards but why even allow it to happen? Nothing HAS to happen with God. He decides the framework of everything. So he could have fulfilled all of his goals without children getting sex trafficked on islands, but he wanted it to happen. Otherwise it simply wouldn't.
>>41944114Just because it happened doesn't mean God didn't want it to happen. For example, "Thou shalt not steal," but it goes on all the time (Luke 17:1). Just like God allows powers and authorities to control people and countries although He does not approve of them, like Nero and Hitler.Because He permits them, or allows them to have power or authority, does not mean that God has chosen them of His own directive will, nor is it any indication that God will bless them or even convert them. (See Jer. 51:20-25 for the judgment that God brings on a nation whom He has previously allowed to destroy another nation.)This goes back to the previous point. God gives what a man demands and asks for. If he wants a lie, he gets it.If God didn't do this, we would not have free will at all, but that doesn't mean God doesn't make things right, The Bible says that the executioner is appointed:Rom. 13:1-5"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake."The Bible says: "Our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29)If people say "Give me the truth", and then when God gives them the truth, they say "I don't want that, I want this lie instead." What should God do? Make it so that they never existed at all? Or give them what they want and not compromise their free will?
>>41944137Could God have achieved all of his goals (free will, creation, humanity) without pedophiles raping kids to death? If no, he's not omnipotent.If yes, he wants evil like that to exist.
>>41944137Anon: "the bible is God"
>>41944146That's kind of like saying can God be omnipotent without being omnipotent? If not, He isn't omnipotent. If God gives people a choice between a lie and the truth, but then makes it so that they can only pick the truth, they never had free will.
>>41944158No one is given any choices, you're a retard born in a world where a book was written and you believed that book. You're not believing other books nor considering other possibilities and you call this "God" and "truth".
>>41944155It's the perfect word of God that He gave to us to read. The Bible is a book yeah, but it's so closely related to God that Jesus who is God is called "The Word".The Bible is the only thing that we have that lets us know what God thinks.
>>41944172Prove it. >Muh shroudAnd japanese imperial regalia? And chinese qigong powers? >All satanRetard
>>41944158No, I didn't say that.It's clear that God can define what "free will" entails. For example, in Heaven you can't rape children and yet you have 100% free will allegedly. So clearly God can just define with his own logic what free will is and what it's not. So why did God think it's necessary that children get raped on Earth for his divine vision and plan? Makes no sense.
>>41944170The Bible is unlike all other ‘sacred books’ in that it bases its ‘authenticity’ and ‘authority’ on prophecy. Fulfilled prophecy is stronger evidence for the inspiration and ‘authenticity’ of the Scriptures than miracles. Prophecy is not a ‘haphazard guess,’ nor a ‘probability’ made up on uncertain data, prophecy is history written in advance. Two-thirds of the Scriptures are prophetic, either in type, symbol, or direct statement; and more than one-half of the OT prophecies, and nearly all of the NT, points to events that are future.The Bible is a collection of eyewitness accounts of God's dealings with man. The Bible is a history book, verified by those who saw the events unfold. Other books, like The Koran for example, is not that way. It is an illiterate, epileptic egomaniac in a cave listening to an unclean spirit describe supposedly historic events from over 4,000 years before Mohammed was born. On top of that, there is not one shred of evidence that anything the Koran describes in history is true, unless it was stolen from the Bible. Every time an unsaved historian casts doubt on the Bible, an unsaved archaeologist digs up the evidence that shows the Bible was telling the truth all of the time.Go trough these links and let's see if you think that there is something that is comparable to the Bible in this world:https://truthischrist.com/seven/https://truthischrist.com/elton-anomaly-823543/https://truthischrist.com/70x7-kjb-code-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/www.youtube.com/shorts/qzHWrQ2DHhQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ919YomJjMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=pcvFX5uIRb4www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ>>41944177>free will allegedlyYeah, because in heaven you have a body that isn't sinful like our bodies are on earth. Why is the possibility of evil necessary? Well, there are many answers to that. Other people can give a better answer-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZA0ESR6geU
>>41944195>Yeah, because in heaven you have a body that isn't sinful like our bodies are on earth.Humans can't decide to rape or to desire rape in Heaven. Or have evil, nasty thoughts about others. That ability is just removed from them. Still, they have complete free will. This means God can just decide what free will is or not. Meaning that kids being raped on Earth isn't necessary for creation unless God wants it there.
>>41944209Because after being shown good and evil, God or Satan, they chose God, they chose good. Notice that angels who were born in heaven could choose to do evil and fell. So how can you say that you no longer have free will to do evil if you chose to not want to be evil out of your own free will?!
>>41944223> they chose God, they chose good. No one is 100% good all the time. Humans are individuals. You can be mostly good and decide to be with God and still have nasty thoughts or desires sometimes. That's just normal.Unless God completely lobotomizes us and removes our free will and personality. Which then just proves again that God can strip a person off all their evil desires and the person STILL has free will.>So how can you say that you no longer have free will to do evil if you chose to not want to be evil out of your own free will?!I mean that's just a logical error in your faith then.
Humans are imperfect in knowledge, power, wisdom, etc. We dont have the traits of omnipotence/omniscience/omnibenevolence. Thus I do not think the human mind can understand such a being who has such traits.We do get to experience joy, and fun, and happy times, even if they are temporary.All phenomenon are temporary in life. Good times and bad times alike. Be kind to each other and to yourselves. Do not worry about things outside of your own control. My life has been...a mixed bag, but I am somehow still alive.
>>41944236>No one is 100% good all the time. Humans are individuals. You can be mostly good and decide to be with God and still have nasty thoughts or desires sometimes. That's just normal.Of course. We sin because we are "in Adam," (Rom. 5:19); we die because we are "in Adam" (1 Cor. 15:22; Rom. 5:17). But when a man receives Christ as his Saviour, he is no longer "in Adam"; he is then "in Christ" (1 Cor. 12:13, 27; Eph. 5:30).>Unless God completely lobotomizes us and removes our free will and personality. Which then just proves again that God can strip a person off all their evil desires and the person STILL has free will.No, God doesn't have to lobotomize us. He can simply change our sinful body into a non-sinful body that doesn't want to do evil, like our current body does.The reason why you can be saved even if you still have a fleshly sinful body that is against God, is because of the spiritual circumcision: to divide the old Adamic nature in the flesh from the new man in Christ Jesus (Col. 2:11-13, 3:10)When God looks at a saved man, He does not see a sinner in Adam's image, but His own Son who is "the image of God" Himself (2 Cor. 4:4; Heb. 1:3).Salvation is a free gift. A man is saved in this age by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in his place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). If he has received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in his heart, that sinner is SAVED, and is saved, once for all; finally and forever.
>>41944255If God removes your ability to choose from all possible things, you have been limited and restricted into a being with less options. If you can only be good and only praise God how exactly do you have free will?> He can simply change our sinful body into a non-sinful body that doesn't want to do evil, like our current body does.So why didn't he do that on Earth and prevent million of innocent kids being raped and brutalized? This proves that God can have free will humans walk on Earth without rape, but he decided against it because he WANTS the innocent to suffer.
>>41944264>If God removes your ability to choose from all possible things, you have been limited and restricted into a being with less options. If you can only be good and only praise God how exactly do you have free will?Because you chose to want what God wants from you. It's that simple. If you don't want to be good and praise God, God allows you to be like that, that's free will.>So why didn't he do that on Earth and prevent million of innocent kids being raped and brutalized? He did with Adam and Eve, but humans chose to not want what God wants, which resulted to this.
>>41944279>Because you chose to want what God wants from you. Ok and I could change my mind or feel different on a different day? If God removes that ability from me, I don't have free will. My personality is gone if I am 100% locked into 1 decision for all eternity with no other options. No human is like that. >He did with Adam and Eve, but humans chose to not want what God wants, which resulted to this.What the fuck does a random kid have to do with Adam and Eve? Can I come over to your house and start brutalizing everyone you love because one of your ancestors you never met (or had anything to do with) 100 000 years ago made a wrong decision. Would that make sense to you?
>>41944195I do not think the bible prophecies are ongoing anymore. Many church leaders make claims to events like the rapture occurring...unfufilled for centuries.I have occasionally had precognitive experiences, so there is something more than just the material world.I have struggled with removing all sense desires from myself...almost impossible. I try my best to have only good happy joyous kind thoughts...but in this world that is also almost impossible.
>>41944288>If God removes that ability from me, I don't have free will.In a way you're right, but not completely. If I give away my free will to be against God, and instead choose to belong to Him and be what He wants me to be, then I don't have to choice anymore, but I gave away that chose out of my own free will, it was MY choice.>Can I come over to your house and start brutalizing everyone you love because one of your ancestors you never met (or had anything to do with) 100 000 years ago made a wrong decision. Would that make sense to you?How can you know that you wouldn't have made the exact same choice as Adam and Eve? You've done things that are worse than what Adam and Eve did, just as I have.>>41944297>Many church leaders make claimsBible prophecies don't have anything to do with what some false prophets say.>but in this world that is also almost impossible.The whole world rests under condemnation, wrath, curse. That is because man is born a lost sinner, an enemy of God. If it didn't then it would mean that everything is fine and there isn't any problem, that's why life here is suffering, because the state of this world is meant to show us that we are not on good terms with God and that judgement is coming. If God maintained everything and made sure everything around is pretty, innocent and harmless, we wouldn't have any idea of the impending doom that is coming upon this kingdom of darkness. John 6:35-37 "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."God told us what He wants. He wants to save us. But he also wants us to choose our fate out of our own free will.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
>>41943497Meat can now be grown instead of farmed from animals. This would also be less expensive. So there would be meat, but without animal suffering.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
>>41940863Liars.There is no "God" over there, not the way these people claim.Negative behavior creates negative energy & it ulis destructive to one's soul & future incarnations.
>>41944317I try to be optimistic about the future. I hope the world will be free of violent conflicts, and most illnesses will be cured, and that there will be less poverty. Eventually I hope humanity will be able to turn the moon and mars green, and life will flourish across the solar system.
>>41944354If you want what God wants for you, there will be no more disease.Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.But if you want to refuse what God wants for you and reject the freely given gift of salvation, you are condemned and cannot have eternal life. Please don't go to hell. To be saved, a man has got to believe that Jesus Christ died, that he was buried, that he arose, that he died for your sins, the way the Scriptures declare it. He has got to believe that. That's the Gospel."He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18)When a man simply sees that his sins are wrong and bad and terrible, and he tries to straighten things out himself like judas by going to a priest (religion) or committing suicide, that is worldly sorrow. When a man sees his sins are against God and His divine justice and holiness, then he starts waking up and flees to God alone for his help. Don't try to seek help from humanity. Only God can truly help you.
>>41940863Havanna Syndrome is God's wrath. When these people channel God's wrath, it sounds like a cricket. That is because God is a cricket. These people serve God, just like Epstein. (Epstein had a literal Temple on his Island.) When you ask Jesus to help you with Gangstalkers, he *Renders to Caesar what is Caesar*, and since he is shudra-born, he sees the people in literal treason, who are channeling God for *Worldly Power*, as Caesar, for he cannot distinguish good from evil. So keep praying to the Havannah Syndrome God for relief, and you WILL hear crickets.
>>41944380I have struggled w religion. I find that I cannot be absolutely perfect. I have experienced moments of joy, and moments of awful terrror. Life is temporary. I have some hope left. I have trouble understanding the Bible. I hope that people of any religion/no religion can also have happy afterlives. I do my best to follow the golden rule, that is common to all belief systems. Sometimes I pray to JC for help. Sometimes I have cursed and blasphemed and been very angry with him. Sometimes I felt awful about the crucifixion...I dont like to think about it. I have had some awful nightmares related to religious psychosis/ptsd. But I have also had joyous times in my life as well.
>>41943497Then you are conceding that God did not create the universe, and this we can agree on. But know this. It's not evil that is the transient visitor, it's good. When you look at the many beasts outside, they abide by a law of might = right, dog eat dog, the agreement of mutually assured destruction between the pufferfish and the grouper, the pack of hyenas and the lion. Humans also abide by this rule. Scarcely you'd see a robbery in an open carry neighborhood, except from the dumbest motherfuckers. Those little punks with cameras don't go around picking on big dudes for views. The religion of light and love is not native here, it's something that needs to be taught and learned with conscious effort; with the exception of the naturally good, who are mostly taken advantage of. While I fucking hate this, my feelings about it don't disprove it; while I would love nothing more than to see an outsider come here and free humanity from our bonds of material/instinctual evil, bless us with a foreign pure goodness that would make the hottest day feel chilly; we still have to go to work tomorrow, and probably the day after too. He really can't get here soon enough.
>>41944513I cannot be a holy man, or a monk. Im just an average ordinary man. I dream of going to space before I die...but who knows.I have had some experiences that I cannot entirely explain. Been close to dying several times, but somehow still alive.
>>41944513>>41944542You can't be perfect by yourself. 99% of the world is trying to ‘earn it!’ Keep the Sabbath, keep the commandments, observe the Golden Rule, live by the Sermon on the Mount, take the sacraments, get baptized, live the best you can… and on and on it goes. Religions and cults all tell you to work for your salvation, for your Justification, but what does the word of God say? God says it’s His way, man says it’s His way. Man has no excuse for rejecting Christ and His righteousness.The gospel for this age is not the gospel of the kingdom. In Acts 15, James, all the apostles and elders, Paul and Barnabas are present when Peter agrees and is proclaiming salvation is only by grace trough faith, and that there's no salvation by law, or works involved to keep your salvation. Everyone there is in agreement. In acts there is transition of going from Jews to gentiles.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”So you can't work for your salvation. I understand that what Jesus did on the cross is a scary thing to think about, but He did it for you, to pay for your sins on cross so you can be saved, do you accept that? Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not YOUR OWN deeds, He atoned for your sins on the cross.After you're saved, you are a child of God and nothing will separate you from His love. (Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.")So do you believe?
>>419445701 Corinthians 1:7-8“So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”Romans 3:27-28 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."God could demand a list of things He wants from you, including obedience to His perfect law, but instead the only requirement is for you to put your faith in Him. Your works cannot earn salvation. Only the blood atonement The Lord Jesus Christ accomplished can justify us. That means if your faith was never in The Lord Jesus Christ, but instead in what you accomplish, you haven't accepted the gift of salvation.2 Timothy 2:11-13 "It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."Jesus Christ can indeed deny you reign and other rewards if you deny Him, but will he abandon us or be faithful, will Jesus Christ deny His own righteousness? His own finished work on the cross? A thousand times no. "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."Jesus Christ did not bring us under another curse, but redeemed us (Galatians 3:13). A Christian is not justified by works of the law, but by grace trough faith in the finished blood atonement of Jesus Christ. Once you are born again, you will never be a sinner spiritually in Christ, because the flesh is separated from the spirit and soul (Colossians 2:11-14) ("putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:"). You cannot boast about achieving salvation, it really is a gift. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxD39sQ8Lg
>>41944594Yes, I dont really like going to church. And I have not accomplished much in my life. I am troubled sometimes bc I get religious psychosis. I went to a deliverance ministry once for an excorcism and they made me throw up :( Not going to do that ever again.
>>41944652That is alright, I haven't accomplished anything and there aren't any churches that I can go to around me, but just depend on God.There are rewards for good service to God, but don't take stress about that, if you have received the Lord Jesus Christ by faith, you are His forever, and nothing in the present or future can change that (Romans 8:38-39).Just trust God. If you have accepted the work of Christ on your account for justification instead of your own works, you are safe eternally. You don't have to trust anyone else, even yourself, your own emotions. The word of God is truth. We don't live by our own faith, we live by the faith of Jesus Christ:Galatians 2:20“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”Ephesians 1:13-14“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”The Bible says that while you can lose rewards, you can't lose salvation.2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
>>41944652I recommend going trough the links in this post: >>41944195Especially the truthischrist ones. It will strengthen your faith so you can't have to be afraid and calm you. God is awesome and you can trust His promises, all of them. Don't let His perfect holiness scare you, when you got saved you were put in Christ and nothing will separate you from the love of God. I will pray for you, and remember that no matter what, God will never break His promises.Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
>>41944701>I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in meI had awful vision of this, I do not like the Bible :(I like Christmas and Easter but I do not like Crucifix its ugly :(
>>41944848It's because the cross is the curse the Christ took so that we would not have to be condemned with the world. We should not look at the cross as a pretty thing because it's a horrible thing that Jesus Christ took for us because He loved us.Galatians 3:13"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"His death on the cross and His resurrection really means this: Any slave who looks to the cross in faith is allowed to count that death as his own death. He dies; Satan loses him. Then comes the resurrection. By it we are transferred into the new Kingdom. This is just as important as the cross. We die to one king and are born under the rule of another.It's the only way to change citizenship from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of God.
>>41940961I don't really believe in Good and Evil, but animals do unnecessarily cruel shit for "pleasure" or "satisfaction" all the time. Lions and other big cats are a good example actually. Ever see a group of lions tear a Gazelle open ass first to eat its unborn child? What about the way Lions and other big cats tend to just play with their food for AWHILE before eating them. With domestic cats, it's not uncommon for them to catch an animal and fuck with it in an attempt to get it to run so they can activate their prey drive and get an extra little dopamine hit from chasing the animal, only to lose interest and leave the prey alone once it stops moving or becomes "boring" to the cat. Ever heard of "Surplus Killing" in predators like wolves? It gets even worse when you look at sapient animals like Dolphins (rapists) and Chimps (murder/war)
>>41941113Isiah 45:7"I make peace and create evil. I, the LORD, do all these things." Ok retard
>>41944954The holiness of God demands the death penalty for sin.Death is evil. Justice is good. You can't have justice if you don't punish evil.If someone murders someone, and God rewards them with good, that would make God evil.If someone murders someone, and God rewards them with evil, that makes God good.
>>41944975>>41944954And btw i was not the anon but replied for him.The point is: A god who is all love is a perverted god. Love without hate is not real love. If you love cleanliness, you will hate dirt. If you love your wife and kids, you will hate anything that tries to harm them.The important thing to remember about God is His holiness. The love of God is rooted in God's holiness. All of God's love, in this age, is vested in the righteous life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Apart from Christ, God loves no man (John 3:16; Rom. 5:8); apart from Christ, the sinner abides in God's wrath (John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”).
>>41944929Yea, I've witnessed a cat's cruelty. But it's almost more out of curiosity. I would compare it to when I used magnifying glass on ants as a child. I didn't hate them, I just didn't understand.Altogether different from a human performing advanced medicine just to keep a victim alive longer. Even in your example there's still biological motivations to eating an infant or something.What you mention is more akin to trophy hunting or something, perhaps a bit morally repulsive, but again, not the kind of evil of giving a person a blood transfusion just because you need them to suffer more.I've had a dog apologize for nicking my hand while we were playing. It took it a few minutes to fully understand, but once it had understood it caused me pain it was sincerely sorry. Plenty of humans have not been capable of such decency.
>>41943790>>41943908>>41944531God created all creatures to eat grass/seaweed or waste material. There weren't tigers roaming around trying to eat Adam and Eve (literal individuals). Adam and Eve were given every fruit and seed and herb. There are billions of tonnes of grass on Earth to feed creation, the only reason they eat each other is because of the curse and the deluge changed earth's atmosphere. After they sinned God sacrificed lambs for them and used them to create coats.People and animals have preyed on each other since then, especially when influenced by the devil and fallen angels. Why do dogs and cat eat grass sometimes? When they feel sick they revert to eating grass. Grass provides enough for even elephants, bears and gorillas.How do you get a wolf to lie next to a lamb in peace? By taking away the wolfs appetite for meat and making killing unimaginable. People will be eating the fruit of the tree of life, not farming pigs for bacon (pigs are cursed btw).
>>41944317>If I give away my free will to be against God, and instead choose to belong to Him and be what He wants me to be, then I don't have to choice anymoreSo people in Heaven are all no-will puppets who can't make decisions anymore? If Satan lured a person into an agreement to serve him and takes away the person's ability to ever change and ask God for forgiveness then Satan removed the person's free will. Why is it okay if God does this?>How can you know that you wouldn't have made the exact same choice as Adam and Eve? Originally we talked about children and the innocent. Why is God allowing children to be abused? It's not needed for free will.
>>41946598>can't make decisions anymore?So if you choose to break a dish, you can't make the decision to wash that dish anymore because it's broken? I guess.Once you have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, you belong to Him forever, not to yourself. I want to have a body that doesn't want to do evil like my current one does. No one in heaven is going to complain that they can't choose to be evil and against God because it's against what THEY THEMSELVES WANT. Get it?>It's not needed for free will.https://archive.org/details/the-coexistence-of-god-and-evil/mode/2up"And why stop there? Isn’t death itself the ultimate natural evil? Why should anyone have to die?These changes would rewrite all of history if not outright destroy it. ... If the butterfly effect is true, if one small change in initial conditions can lead to large-scale changes down the road, then how might many immense changes in initial conditions affect the universe as we know it now? Humanity, Earth, and the universe are all one possible variation away from never having existed at all. It would certainly be possible for God to create a different universe, but it may not be possible for mankind to exist in a different universe without significantly altering the schematics of humanity.From God’s perspective, the perspective of an all-knowing being, he may have seen an infinite number of possible universes but only one in which all things were balanced as they should be. The proposition that God should have built the universe without allowing natural evil to exist presumes that it would be possible to create an alternate universe with just as much good but without as much evil while still allowing for the existence of mankind. There is no basis for assuming that changing the fundamental structure of everything would result in the same amount of good but less evil, or for assuming that human beings as we are now could exist in such a universe."Innocents suffer, it's needed temporarily
>>41940863do you think god fucked up? maybe he should clean the slate and try again.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds
>>41947294>No one in heaven is going to complain that they can't choose to be evil and against God because it's against what THEY THEMSELVES WANT.You can't make that claim because people aren't even able to decide otherwise. If I put a magic spell on you that you can never change your decision or feel different, then you are just mind controlled.You didn't answer: if someone in a moment of weakness makes a deal with Satan to serve him forever and Satan removes his ability to ever ask God for forgiveness or repent, does this person still have free will? Can you say "OH THATS WHAT HE WANTED! SO ITS FREE WILL!" - yes... he wanted it once when he felt a specific way, but as humans we change, we evolve, we desire.
>>41947294>From God’s perspective, the perspective of an all-knowing being, he may have seen an infinite number of possible universes but only one in which all things were balanced as they should be. So God's definition of perfect balance includes children being gang-raped on islands? Also, there is no free will if there an infinite number of possible universes and God picked one. If God has infinite potential universes, he has one where John would go Path B and one where John will go Path A. Therefore, when God picks Path B, the path where John is ultimately sent to hell, it does not matter whether or not John 'technically has free will,' JOHN HAS NO CONTROL OVER IT and is going to hell no matter what. God is knowingly creating a universe where John is getting sent to hell because of how he creates the universe.
>>41947324>then you are just mind controlled.I don't want to be disgusting to God, I want to be changed to be a certain way where I no longer have a body that wants to do evil. That's not mind control, that's clearly a free will choice.>humans we change, we evolve, we desire.Yeah, God knows that, and how we feel and how we will feel perfectly. That's why He gets to decide how much grace and time He gives to people to turn to Him, not us. Because we are imperfect, while He is perfect. >God's definition of perfect balanceIt's not perfect, that's the point. This world is horrible, sinful and disgusting. For actions there are consequences. This is the consequence of rejecting the truth of God. This is not going to last forever, it's temporary. If we were exclusively born into heaven and never had to make any decisions to be with God, then even if we had free will, we would still be basically robots that never chose God out of our own free will. God would have an army of robots that exclusively know what happens when God maintains rule instead of satanic forces, causing us to never know if God is truly good and loving. There would be nothing to prove it, we would only have very limited knowledge while God is the one who knows that secret.>JOHN HAS NO CONTROL OVER IT and is going to hell no matter whatJust because God knows the future doesn't mean we can't make choices. John has free will and can make the choices he wants. When the people cried, "Give us Caesar!" and rejected The Lord Jesus Christ, do you think they didn't have a choice? If God had prevented them from asking for Caesar instead of Him, that would truly mean they don't have a free will, not the opposite.
>>41947511>That's not mind control, that's clearly a free will choice.You don't have free will afterwards. If Satan lures someone into signing a pact to be "his slave forever" and he can never change his opinion or ask God for forgiveness, then that person doesn't have free will anymore.>This is the consequence of rejecting the truth of God.Kids didn't reject anything. Why did do they get molested? Is it okay if someone rapes your daughter or son because your ancestor 100 000 years ago made a mistake?>Just because God knows the future doesn't mean we can't make choices. God already made that choice. He saw an infinite amount of universes where John would make different choices and he picked the universe in which John would go to hell.
>>41947545>If Satan lures someone into signing a pact to be "his slave forever" and he can never change his opinion or ask God for forgiveness, then that person doesn't have free will anymore.Ok, but who created the soul? God. He is the one that allows people to make decisions. There are many people who have served satan out of their free will, and then later repented to God and got saved. You're trying to represent God as someone who doesn't want to save people if they make evil choices, when clearly He does.>Kids didn't reject anything.Yeah, God treats children differently compared to matured adults. You don't know what that baby would have ended up being in the future, among all the other things that God who is perfect, knows. He is the one who can decide what to allow, and what not to allow. Again, you're trying to make God unfair for allowing evil to happen when you don't have the full picture of eternity and knowing everything.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgi0C7JWqIg>God already made that choice. He saw an infinite amount of universes where John would make different choices and he picked the universe in which John would go to hell.I guess God knows of an universe where people don't have free will to make the choices they choose, and God indeed didn't choose that version of events to allow to happen. Why? Because that would result in an universe that is better in God's opinion. And since God is perfect, obviously He knows what kind of things to allow, and what not to allow. Just because I don't perfectly know the reason why God does things the way He does, doesn't mean that's an excuse for me to deny Him and criticize Him, especially when He clearly is loving and good, showcased by Him making atonement for our sins by paying the price for it Himself. A loving God would not do that. An evil god would only do things in a way that brings maximum comfort to Himself without sacrificing anything.
>>41942421>complains about an opinion in a thread full of opinions
>>41947604> There are many people who have served satan out of their free will, and then later repented to God and got saved. Yes because they have the ability to make decisions ON GOING decisions not to be locked into one choice forever. Which is what you say happens to people in heaven thus their free will is gone.
>>41947626>Yes because they have the ability to make decisions ON GOING decisions not to be locked into one choice forever.What do you mean by on going? If I make the decision to wash the plates, then wash them, lock them in a cabin and throw away the key, the plates are washed and now I can't change that anymore, but I made that decision. But according to your because I can't go back in time and undo my action of washing the plates, I no longer have free will because I changed my mind later about the dishes being washed.Like I said before, once you have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, you belong to Him forever, not to yourself. That's the decision God is waiting for. Right now you have an ongoing decision. You heard the Gospel and have understood it and have turned it down, and you're turning it down ongoingly. If you choose to accept the gospel, which is an action that has eternal consequences, why does that mean that you no longer have free will when you made that decision in the first place with your own free will?
>>41947655You can go and buy new plates to wash. You can change your mind and do many things. If I can not even decide to do evil or change my mind in heaven, I am mind controlled. Free will doesn't mean "just making choices in the past" it means being able to make choices at any point.
>>41947680>You can go and buy new plates to wash.But the fate of those original plates are now sealed in that cabin that impossible to open. You made that decision and can't change it. That doesn't mean it wasnt your own choice.
>>41947684Ok but I am not mindcontrolled to be unable to regret that decision or try and break open the cabin or find new plates or other plates to wash.
>>41947717God is God. He knows if it's truly what you want, or if it's not what you want. He knows you more than you know yourself. God knows everything. These "what if" situations are hypothetical. Do you think you're more knowledgeable about what you want than God?
>>41947733If God knew all that there was no reason to have people suffer through life cause he already would know the outcome.
>>41947835And now you have a bunch of robots again that never made a decision. See why God does what He does?Sure you could make people think they made a decision etc. by implanting fake memories etc. I'm sure there are all kinds of solutions, but what if all those solutions are evil to God, thus He won't do it like that? We don't know the full picture, our mind can't comprehend it.
>>41947873We already are the robots because God picked the universe where would do certain choices over others out of all possible universes, so he made the choice for us.
>>41947922You're approaching every questioning from the assumption being already that God is evil, when the Bible clearly says He is good.If we would have made other decisions in other universes, then that isn't our reality simply because God determined that the things that resulted in those choices were not fair/appropriate. Since God knows every future, He knows perfectly well what is fair, and what is not. Therefore He can make the decision for what to allow, and what not to allow.
>>41947947The bible say God is evil and good. Why are you leaving that out?
>>41947962No it does not. Just because God can inflict evil on someone, does not make Him evil. >>41944975
>>41947962>>41947968You're completely biased. If you kill someone to stop them from raping you, you wouldn't think that you are evil even though you inflicted evil on someone, but when God does it, you think God is evil. You're just incorrect.
>>41947968"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."https://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/45.htm
>>41947986That would be called self defense.Now let's imagine a criminal breaks into your house and starts raping your daughter and wife while also bashing their skulls in. A good friend of yours is at home too and he could save them with a gun or call the police. Your friend however doesn't lift a finger, he just watches as your loved ones are being brutalized.His reasoning?"Oh, I simply respect the free will of the rapist that's why I just watched peacefully as your daughter got violated. I am sure he will go to prison later or get punished. No hard feelings!"You'd kill or hate this guy. But if God does it, it's perfectly fine!
>>41948001>But if God does it, it's perfectly fine!God doesn't do that. Galatians 6:7“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”That rapist will reap what he sowed.
>>41948009Yes. God is doing that. He's there (he is omnipresent) and he refuses to help. He could literally save every molested child that is BEGGING him and praying to him to intervene, but he simply watches.Also he admits in the bible that he is the source of all things, including evil/trouble/disaster see here >>41947993
>>41948023No. God didn't make His creation disobey Him. That was a free will choice on their part. If God didn't punish that rapist with evil, then justice would not happen. In the same way, if God doesn't reward someone who is just with good, then justice would not happen. You're making the assumption that God will not make things perfectly right and just no matter what happens, when that's just not true.
>>41948039God is present everywhere so he is present while kids get raped and he doesn't intervene because "he respects the free will of rapist"... so if your child got raped and your friend just stood there watching without helping because he doesn't want to violate the rapists free will, he'd just be like God.
>>41948045That person can't make things right, he can't even punish the rapist perfectly enough for justice to happen, let alone all the other stuff that is required for perfect justice. Only God can do that.
>>41948057Yes, which makes it even worse that God is just watching and doesn't help. You would hate your friend for not helping your child (because your friend "respects the rapists free will") and yet if God does it, then it's perfectly fine.
>>41948057If you have a child and some pedo abducts her, while in the car your daughter prays to God to save her in that moment. He could save her, he could make the guy randomly get controlled by police, he could make him have a stroke or change of heart, he could teleport her out of there.But God decides to listen to her prayer and do absolutely nothing. So now your daughter undergoes perverted, sickening abuse and then gets slowly strangled to death. (Unfortunately, these things happened many times on Earth.)You want to tell me that you would approve of that? You think God listening and not lifting a finger is what the SOURCE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD would do? That's genuinely how you feel?
>>41948060If God punished you and me immediately for the things that we've done and didn't wait at all, or even before we've done them, then neither of us would have never had the option to ever be saved.
>>41948072How about him just protecting innocent people to start with?
>>41948075He did. Humans decided against that by going against what God wants. Now we each have a choice to either go with what we want, or what God wants. That rape that happened? That's what the world wants. Infinite protection and love forever? That's what God wants. Now you choose. You see both choices right in front of you.
>>41948090God listens to children begging for help and doesn't help most of them, even though he could. In his "infinite mercy" he thinks the free will of the rapist to fuck children to death is more important than the child's innocence and well-being. This is who you worship. I don't get it.
>>41948094God can fix that, and He will. Innocence and well being is easy to restore compared to all the other things which are also possible for God to do.
>>41948106So people raping your future kids and wife would be totally fine and God not lifting a finger to stop it cause God is gonna fix it later?
>>41948111It's not fine, it's horrible. That doesn't mean that what God is doing isn't right, because if He killed me before I did anything bad, then God would simply be doing what is just, but it also wouldn't show any mercy. So, since God will make everything right, that also means that when I look at all this chaos, rape destruction etc. later, I will not think that God resolved everything unjustly, because otherwise God would not be perfectly just.
>>41948140And what I mean by later is when I finally have all the information and knowledge that explains why things had to be the way they were.
>>41940863Maybe it's not that God likes evil but God is evil since the location god dwells in is evil? For example everyone worships yeshua without knowing he's a rabbi who trafficked kids and raped little boys. And currently rapes and molests kids via filling everyone in the church with his holy Spirit and annoited demon oil to season their butt cheeks for rape?
>>41948140So it's horrible but your children/wife being raped while God doesn't save them or lift a finger to stop is ultimately the RIGHT thing to happen?
>>41948175It's the price to pay for free will to exist. Man chose to do what they wanted to and not what God wanted to happen.
I sometimes wish my niece would get molested or get a black boyfriend cause my sister in law thinks i'm a pedo. It would be karma seeing someone's children get hurt by someone they trust (apparently not me).
>>41948189It's not though because as we know there is free will in heaven and no one gets raped. So you can have free will without rape.>Man chose to do what they wanted toAnd God watches while ignoring the begging for help.
>>41948210Yeah you can have free will without evil, but that would mean we wouldn't make a decision to choose good instead of evil. >And God watches while ignoring the begging for help.No he doesn't. God saves. Just because there is physical and mental suffering here doesn't mean God isn't helping.Rom 10v13"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."God will hear your call, ‘cry, prayer’ and He knows your heart, thoughts and motive, and He will respond by saving you, IF, (Rom 10v9+10 – it’s all about the heart! Rom 6v17, Acts 8v22, Mat 13v15) you really desire to be saved, knowing that you are a sinner on the road to Hell.Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”Yes, we have to suffer here. Why some people suffer more than others, I don't know, but once I know I will know that it was not for no reason and that God knew perfectly what to allow and what not to allow.
>>41948250>Yeah you can have free will without evil, but that would mean we wouldn't make a decision to choose good instead of evil.No, babies go to heaven without having to use their free will on Earth. And still they have perfect free will in Heaven, which means free will can exist without children getting raped. Which means children just get raped cause God wants it to happen.
We should kill God
>>41948268If that is what you would rather believe than what the Bible says, then so be it. Seems like a weird hill to die on for me.
>>41948360How do you explain babies who never had to use their free will on Earth going instantly to heaven where they can't do evil and yet have free will? Doesn't really make sense, does it?>than what the Bible saysThe same bible that says God is also the source of evil and darkness... ?
there is a lot of frustration ITTI understand, but I want to say, hypothetically speaking, if this is a game built for us, then, the damage that we can potentially take is also all damage that we can potentially heal. Nothing in this simulation is forever. Therefore, as ugly as things may seem on the outside, there are some sort of guardrails to protect the collective.also, to add, focusing on other's pain is a trap, while seemingly noble, you are in control of yourself, and therefore your responsibility of healing is only with yourself. Unless you heal other by occupation but you get the point. That is to say, stop worrying so much. Hope that helps
>>41948839I don't want to be used and put through pain because my "player character" wants it.
>>41940961>What's evil is for-profit prison systems intentionally creating an 80% recidivism rate to keep people trapped in mass incarceration for profit.based prison system is completely broken and its insane the masses dont realise this, sending someone to prison does absolutely nothing to cleanse them of their percieved 'negative' desires. The only way is to make them genuinely regret, not just fear punishment. Or better yet let people live freely and give into hedonistic desires as we were designed to before modern civilisation came in and wanted to pretend we are better than our animalistic desires
>>41948843the idea that all of this is accidental and you might luck out on your next life is part of the illusion, that being said, if you want to shield yourself from suffering, you might wanna look into buddhism and the whole idea of detachment and ceasing desires
