>>41951749

Something something cyclical and ancestor spirits... and then it gets misinterpreted by superstitious apes of questionable cognitive horizon.

>>41951749
Don’t throw pearls before swine
You’re too stupid to understand by now then you will forever stay retarded
>>41951764
>tripfag glowie bitch
Fuck off

>>41951749
>How can anyone believe it?
Magically receiving information from someone who lived before could be misinterpreted as having been that person.

>>41951749
Reincarnation only makes sense if you remembered AND there was nothing else to do in death.
Like if you died and it was just big emptiness limited by your own thoughts I could understand the idea of "living" again to get more experiences.

But the fact that you forget them is so utterly stupid. Even forgetting the basic "this isn't my first life time" would be an incredible memory to have but no we don't get that. We have no clue if we're doing the right thing that we wanted and anyone saying that your higher self does know is just coping. To me it feels like reincarnation is just a coping mechanism for stupid people that have failed to become aware of what they are spiritually capable of in death so they just devolve themself back here out of fear.

it's certainly real but the idea that it's necessary and part of some grand plan hasn't been proven..

it could be, who knows? but the fact modern occult larpers and new agers dogmatically believe it is because they're fucking ignorant of history

it's all just an amalgam of bastardized darwinism, hinduism, and the early modern Myth Of Progress

if darwin wasn't born, if india was never existed and stupid white people weren't jumping to philosophical conclusions about their growing affluence and living standards in the industrial revolution...no one today would even be talking about re-incarnation, at least not about it being the end-all be-all of things

anyone saying re-incarnation is the capital T truth is christian-level stupid and usually has an agenda

>>41951749
It's pretty simple, frameworks that use reincarnation believe there's a "component" to the being that is immortal, this would be "the spirit". It's the spirit that reincarnates or gets recycled, not the soul, which is what constitutes memories and egoic information. This is why there's not continuity of identity through reincarnation cycles.

The common mistakes with reincarnation are thinking it's a personal process based on moral factors, and also conflating "the spirit" with "the soul". In the frameworks that use reincarnation, it's as impersonal as the water cycles, but people also don't understand the concept of karma in these frameworks and they misconstrue it, adding moral elements to reincarnation. Most people also can't be bothered understanding the nuances of "spirit/soul". This is why reincarnation in mainstream discussion ends up becoming another silly thing like heaven/hell in exoteric abrahamic dogma.

>>41951749
reincarnation doctrines raise up in decadent times of a culture
the west is in its kali yuga so it merged it with new age streams

>>41951815
>adding moral elements to reincarnation.
What about karma? What is the meaning of that

>>41951831

Interesting idea from a psychological level. How would it be the case with salvation myths then?

>>41951867
reincarnation appeals to a more down to earth desire to go back and try again with a new life, this time you'll get things right, rather than imagine about the immaterial realms.
Vedic culture decays into hinduism, which decadence brought buddhism.
Mythical greek religion decayed and brought the eastern mysteries which culminated into platonism and inspired christian gnosticism.

>>41951852
Karma is treated as a purely causal element, a convoluted, impersonal tapestry of cause and effect. It's people who don't understand this clearly the ones who make it about morals. For example, blaming "the sins of the parents" in a moralistic way for birthing a deformed child, or blaming the child himself for doing something "bad" in a previous iteration. Truth is most of the karmic consequences one experiences remain unknown due to their relational complexity. The kid isn't deformed because someone behaved badly, the kid is deformed because the mother was unknowingly exposed to elements that affected the fetus negatively or one (or both) of the parents were carrying faulty genetics from less than ideal match ups in their ancestry.

Karma is purely causal and morals only provide guidelines to mitigate causal "whiplash", but these morals are usually common sense and karma will still judge you every instant of your existence even if you think you're the "best behaved" person alive, whatever that is. Such is causality.

>>41951749
There are various flavours of reincarnation, don't limit yourself to thinking of one type.

I believe in re incarnation because a white angel told me about it. The angel did miracles and stuff.

How does it not make sense

>Creator thinks you didn't do well enough to get a good afterlife so you give life another shot as a mortal
>You sin in the afterlife so instead of lake of fire you live another life on a terrestrial world incarnated in the flesh

It actually points to mercy of the Creator.

The Christian belief of eternal Hell and you get 1 chance is merciless ontop of the absurd illogical predestination in Christian scriptures regardless of denomination belief.

I reincarnated in Uzbekistan. It's totally possible.

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I believe in it because I have had memories of two distinct past lives. One tormented me in nightmares as a little toddler, things I could have had no understanding of at that age. It turned out to be a false memory implanted by an archon to traumatize me and laden me with guilt in order to block me from reaching my full potential. The other life was very real and when I lucid dream I can transition into that other personality and see things from that time period that I also had no knowledge of before. Things I've seen and then verified upon waking include a full title of a book, a historical name of a region that's no longer used, colonial activity in that area that I didn't know about, and a specific regional dessert.
I can't help you if you don't believe me.

>>41951873

Well, right, conveniently forgot that with the gnostic angle it makes more sense. Now ofc that was never so popular. So what remains when you substract it likely fit a "general vibe" that is now pretty much faded.

>>41951749
I've concluded that reincarnation would be pointless because our memories make us who we are, if we didn't keep them after being reincarnated we'd still be dead in every way that matters.

>>41951749
It's no different from being a diver, but your diving suits are one-use only, and in this case, the density of this plane makes it hard to carry over most memories while you're here, except for the wisdom that already is deeply impressed in your subconscious, because your spiritual growth is something you never lose.

>>41951908
grim pull anon

>>41951895
>absurd illogical predestination in Christian scriptures
Imo this is a residue of Gnostic belief in preexistence of spirits and the idea that some people don't have spirits that got muddled during absorption into orthodox doctrine.

Jesus said, "Congratulations to those who are alone and chosen, for you will find the kingdom. For you have come from it, and you will return there again." (Thomas 49)

"For those whom he *foreknew* he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family" (Romans 8:29)

"If a shepherd has a hundred sheep and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray?" (Matthew 18:12)

"You do not believe because you do not belong to my sheep. My sheep hear my voice. I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:26-28)

"These are those who cause divisions, psychical men, not possessing spirit." (Jude 1:19)

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>>41951749
Existence is absurd too when you really think about it.

this reality is a complex simulation to farm your engagement and emotion (loosh)

you get tricked into respawning/resubscribing when you die

you need to figure out you can cancel it

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>>41954180
Possibly this idea is implied even in Mark, in the parable of the sower, when Jesus refers to those who fall away after receiving the word because they have no root. At least, Gnostic texts seem to interpret the idea that way.

"All that have emanated from the Father, then, are fullnesses, and the roots of all that have emanated from him are within the one who caused them all to grow. He gave them their destinies." (Gospel of Truth)

"For those who have no root have no fruit either. They think to themselves, “I’ve come into being,” but they’ll dissolve by themselves. Because of this, those who didn’t exist at all won’t exist." (Gospel of Truth)

"The Savior said, All nature, all formations, all creatures exist in and with one another, and they will be resolved again into their own roots." (Gospel of Mary)

I can see why orthodoxy got rid of the idea since suspecting some people of being NPCs might easily lead to treating others poorly or neglecting to help them. But, on the other hand, I think it's a little better than what came out of the muddling, the theory that God produces many spirits for the specific purpose of sending them off to be tormented forever.

because you can't not exist? Non-existence is impossible, it's just a concept

>>41954508
but I can conceive of non-existence, and anything is possible if it's conceivable

>>41951749
It's just something masters would tell their slaves too keep them from rebelling.

>be a good slave and in the next life you will be the master.

That's why its only widely accepted in india.

>>41951749

Here’s how it works anon. Every living thing has an invisible and completely undetectable essence called a soul that leaves the body at death.

During life all souls have a running “credit score” if you will, or karma, that’s based on if they were good or bad. Their karmic credit score decide whats kind of biological vehicle they can inhabit next.

So imagine you have top credit, you get to be a king in your next life. But if you are bad, and let’s say you murder someone or disobey your master, then your karmic credit score only lets you come back as a bug.

And that is how reincarnation works and it totally has nothing to do with spiritually justifying oppressive social hierarchies in ancient India.

>>41951749
The cases with children that have enough evidence to support the idea are surprisingly compelling. But the way I see it, remote viewing works somehow, for all we know they are just picking up on information fields they’re sensitive to and it’s not a sign of the kind of spiritual reincarnation model we’re used to.

>>41951788
>But the fact that you forget them is so utterly stupid
If you were tasked with creating a dimensionally-capped prison for godlike immortal beings, would you think electrocuting them to a state of amnesia between incarnations is "stupid"? Or fiendishly elegant? All you'd need to add is a biological developmental lag such that they cannot speak during the early years when they still vaguely remember, and a culture of "education" in which the subject is directed to focus on the illusion in front of them and believe the current experience is all there is... Add in some belief systems that restrict immortality to the future, not the past, and the trap is complete.
Read Ken Ogger and Truman Cash.

>>41951788
Consider the fact that as you are now, you can never be a child again. You could be in a childs body, sure, but you would just be a small adult.

>>41954591
>Cannot speak
You could still write or draw If you truly have the mind of a previous individual
>god-like
You reply seems well intentioned but totally lacks sense, you think you could just electrocute a god and making him submit? Lets start for questioning electrocution in a state where you supposed to have surprassed the material realm

>>41951749
Reincarnation is a lie, this is the truth:

>And thence I went to another place, and he mountain [and] of hard rock. And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at. Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'These hollow places have been created for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls of the dead should assemble therein, yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here. And these places have been made to receive them till the day of their judgement and till their appointed period [till the period appointed], till the great judgement (comes) upon them.' I saw (the spirit of) a dead man making suit, and his voice went forth to heaven and made suit. And I asked Raphael the angel who was with me, and I said unto him: 'This spirit which maketh suit, whose is it, whose voice goeth forth and maketh suit to heaven ?' And he answered me saying: 'This is the spirit which went forth from Abel, whom his brother Cain slew, and he makes his suit against him till his seed is destroyed from the face of the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the seed of men.' The I asked regarding it, and regarding all the hollow places: 'Why is one separated from the other?' And he answered me and said unto me: 'These three have been made that the spirits of the dead might be separated. And such a division has been make (for) the spirits of the righteous, in which there is the bright spring of water. And such has been made for sinners when they die and are buried in the earth and judgement has not been executed on them in their lifetime. Here their spirits shall be set apart in this great pain till the great day of judgement and punishment and torment of those who curse for ever and retribution for their spirits.

>>41954821
>There He shall bind them for ever. And such a division has been made for the spirits of those who make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction, when they were slain in the days of the sinners. Such has been made for the spirits of men who were not righteous but sinners, who were complete in transgression, and of the transgressors they shall be companions: but their spirits shall not be slain in the day of judgement nor shall they be raised from thence.' The I blessed the Lord of glory and said: 'Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of righteousness, who ruleth for ever.'

>>41951749
I think reincarnation is probably related to genetics and that you're likely reincarnated later in your own bloodline. It kind of explains why the elites are so obsessed with bloodlines and genetics.

>>41954541
can you imagine how the experience of non-existence is? is it a black screen forever? no, it's unconceivable, you can't experience a square circle because you can't even imagine it, it's not logical

Everyone on this board is terrified of permanent death. It’s amusing to a point until you realize no one here is capable of reasoning truth from unbiased logic.

>>41954180
>>41954475
go back

>>41954848
You go to sleep every single night and only remember bits and pieces of dreams. Non existence is that lapse of time without the dream pieces. Pretty easy to imagine anon.

>>41954821
> Reincarnation is a lie

You literally belief in a magic Jew that reincarnated back into his own dead body.

>>41954879
You will never be a real oldfag. If you're annoyed about knower-posting outside of designated knower threads then blame your comrades who seemingly feel obligated to crash every attempt at a gnosticism general.

>>41954969
>the jewish cult globalist elites have forced on people for 2000 years as the default slave programming is the secret truth and good for you

peak christgolem delusion

>>41954508
You are just a lie you tell yourself. You are not a thing. You are an event, an event repeating over and over insisting it is the same event. And the insistence is all that keeps “you” together.

>>41951749
>NDE's
>Remote viewers in separate rooms were told to view a dying man, ALL described a light appearing above him, shocking his soul and sucking it out of his body
>Child describes a past life in which he was murdered, finds his old body, and points out the murderer who later confesses
>Russian boy, Boriska Kipriyanovich, could read and write by age 2, started talking soon after birth, at 3 years old claimed to have lived on mars in a past life as a pilot/scientist. Claimed mars used to be lush with an ocean, atmosphere and lifeforms, destroyed by a nuclear war forcing survivors to live underground until the died out. Claimed he traveled to Earth many times for research. Said martians interacted with ancient civilizations, helped build the pyramids/other structures. Now rumored to live in a remote village/moscow under the protection of the Russian government.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MkR_wIJtRwU
"My daughter at two years old told me she had a mom and dad from mars and they had blue skin. She would talk about green rocks on mars which we just discovered there are...
She said 'bad guys came' and then she ended up in my belly."
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JVbPXOunf1Q

>>41955022
My religion ranking is Buddhism > Gnosticism > Christianity > Judaism & Islam with other religions of uncertain rank. So I don't really see myself as a Christian. I do think something fairly Gnostic is the secret truth of Christianity though, and it isn't quite the same as the Christianity that killed off its siblings and got forced on people for centuries. It's more interesting.

>>41955082
You ranked Hindu lite as #1 but left out Hinduism. Strange.

Just a reminder, sellouts don't get any special treatment in death. Your next life will be RNG should you accept. Heed my warning or don't.

>>41955055
Dubs of truth, does this mean we loop?

>>41951749
What else would you do as a disembodied spirit? Pay a price for another round but this time with more "something" that's what. Or maybe you figure it out and go about repairing stuff. Treat this realm as already being the spiritual domain and you, an "embodied" spirit, or rather biomass of assisting spirits. Buckle up for random eternities n shit, or not and wake up wherever you drifted off to during death.

>>41951749
As long as it directly contradicts the Bible, it will be promoted in this world. Just like how Darwinism and much of what science teaches as fact is a direct contradiction to the Bible, so you must give up God's Word to be on board with it.
Clever lies from Freemasons in order to promote godlessness in society.

>>41954779
Babies can't communicate really at all in the first years, you ask a one year old to write down who they were in their past life and see how that goes

>>41951749
>I find the idea of reincarnation absurd.
Ok, you can think it is absurd. That's alright. But just because you think it is absurd it doesn't mean it is absurd. if the soul is eternal then it makes sense that it can go back to this physical reality or physical realm. The bible say we onlive live once and then we die. But this is not true because the bible contradicts this by saying God will resurrec the dead and judge them. So this means that they live one time, they died, got resurrected and where judged. Then this means they lived more than one time. The bible is not 100% accurate when it says we onlive live once and after that is judgement. It does say this in one part, but then it contradicts this by saying that God will resurrected the head so this means people are actually going to live more than one time. So there's an error here. The new testament is cotradicting the old. But I'm preetty sure the christian golem will say that the bible is perfect and there's zero contradictions and that we are demon possessed or something like that.

I've done all I can to feel past lives but just can't seem to get anything.
My only cope is the guy that did a deep dive into NDE/reincarnation cases and found that those born in 1997 have a big chance of this being their first life.

>>41956343
resurrection isn't reincarnation

>>41956409
Explain the difference

>>41954363
>shortest amount of time possible=no time
??
>conceive of existence outside of life
??

>>41956356
How do you know NDE and Reincarnation aren’t you just tapping into Akashic Records and confusing the data as POV? Do you believe in remote viewing? Remote viewing is suppose to work across time, so if psychic experience can allow viewing of the past, who’s to say that past lives memory isn’t just a different form of that?

>>41956450
resurrection = nullifying the death of a mofo
reincarnation = having a dead mofo leave it behind and move to a new human identity and be born again
hell, there isn't even an incarnation depending on the soul model and if God doesn't create unbodied souls first

>>41956492
I’d argue that all resurrection is a form of reincarnation, but not all reincarnation is resurrection.

>>41956343
What if it's just eternal return reincarnation? The same shit having occured an infinite amount of times already, but you're always the exact same identity every time. I find reincarnation a horrifying concept in both eternal return and jeet scripture.

>>41956551
What kind of afterlife do you prefer if not reincarnation or eternal recurrence?

>>41951749
Reincarnation is streetshitter delusion.

>>41951749
Yeah I don't believe that either. I don't understand how anyone can believe in reincarnation especially if your memories get permanently wiped anyway. At that point you're not even you.

>>41954573
Fucking kek

>>41951749
It's just another story people tell themselves as a cope. You didn't exist for millions of years, you exist for a brief period of time, then you stop existing again for the rest of time. People just desperately want to believe they come back again after that at some point, somehow.

>>41956994
Momentum nigga charge collapse nigga ever heard of wind my nigga that shit fades and storms. You cannot possibly think that death is all it takes to escape Earth’s gravity?

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>>41951749
if you could be born once, why not again?

>>41957003
Ooga-booga to you too.

>>41957016
The same reason you can't set the same piece of paper on fire more than once.

>>41951779
>Magically receiving information from someone who lived before could be misinterpreted as having been that person.
Been there before. There's a warning not to lose yourself in the experience since you'll lose your individuality if you do.

>>41951884
>Karma is treated as a purely causal element, a convoluted, impersonal tapestry of cause and effect. It's people who don't understand this clearly the ones who make it about morals.
It's an oversimplification that often leads to causal mishaps.

>>41951917
No weirdness with archons, but I remember past lives as well. Knowing the names and faces of people you've never met, the locations and layouts of small towns you've never visited, and random facts about historical places that actually check out as true when researched is weird. The hard part was trying to put it all together as it kept coming back at random like when something jogs your memory. It took years to basically understand which life was which and when each was. I know I probably don't have it perfect, but it helped me a lot to take time to try to understand what I was remembering.

>>41954704
Good point. I would want to experience novelty again. Why live another lifetime of being ease to think about for eternity

I do not subscribe to any one tradition and am a student of many ideas here.
As much as I can gather, here is the common ground. You are made of breath or smoke, light, and a seasoning or charge. Your breath and your light remain unchanged in eternity, but your seasoning is harvested by things we would consider gods, and your breath and light are eventually thrown back into another growing jar.

It's like we are plants to be harvested. The roots are replanted and a new plant is eventually grown for harvest. In a replanted state, you lose connection with memories of the harvesting and memories of what happened before too fade, but remain to you in dreams and in a sense, the seasoning you have acquired over the cycles will leave traces on your containment vessels.
Escape from here is possible if you wish to end the cycle. Eventually, we all will. It's really just a luck of the draw. Karma is so much less of a big deal than it is made to be, though it can determine some lesser components of your cycles, it's largely "random" in a sense. In eternity, you exist as a polymorph of all sorts of potential, some of which is exclusively expressed every incarnation. This isn't a school. It's more like a cosmic north Korea.

>>41957175
That's the neat part about remembering past lives: they don't come back all at once. You get to experience the wonder and confusion of being young, but will slowly remember the rest over time!

Disparity is a product of the dissolution of the Godhead, therefore all consciousness is the same consciousness experiencing itself through different subjectivities. "Death" doesn't *truly* exist, except as an end to a specific subjectivity. The whole thing ends when the Godhead reintegrates, which is what the Buddhists call Nirvana.

Nonexistence and eternity are two concepts I can't wrap my fucking head around. Trying to imagine these just make me feel like I'm going crazy. It's just beyond my comprehension and generates a sort of primal fear. Nonexistence is the worst. Eternity brings a similar feeling but more about trying to understand such a scale.
Anyways I'd rather exist forever, even though it's also scary.

>>41959134
eternal existence is way worse anon, imagine all the atrocities that you will have to go through

>>41959229
Yeah, that's one of the scary parts of eternity. Still, I'd rather exist and go through all that shit than not get to experience

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>>41951749
If you believe human logic so somewhat apply to the grand scheme, reincarnation is somewhat inevitable.

Imagine a computer spitting out random letter sequences. At some point you will read the work of a famous writer.
If we have infinite time to do this then all possible letter sequences will happen at some point and rehappen infinitely.

So if we expect time to be eternal and matter reestablishing densely enough for life to form, then it is guarenteed that your consciousness will come into existence again with infinite life modifications. We don't have to know how consciousness works to make this deduction, just that it exists.

Of course there could be another limiting variable, for example a "meta reality" which only allows the same thing to ever happen or only once.
But limiting the variables to infinity, time and density of matter reincarnation could be rather likely.

>>41956409
I know. But the point is that people lived, died and resurrected. What does this mean? It means exactly what I said. You deny it because you are probably a christian golem who believes that the bible is perfect and has zero contradictions. But again, let's break this down in order to show to the anons who have a brain that the bible is indeed contradicting itself.

Live: 1 - remain alive; be alive at a specified time; spend one's life in a particular way or under particular circumstances; supply oneself with the means of subsistence; survive in someone's mind; be remembered; have an exciting or fulfilling life; 2 - make one's home in a particular place or with a particular person.

To die: 1 - (of a person, animal, or plant) stop living; be killed for (a cause); have a specified status at the time of one's death; become extinct; be forgotten; become less loud or strong; (of a plant) decay from the tip toward the root; die one after another until few or none are left; (of a fire or light) stop burning or gleaming; (of a machine) stop functioning or run out of electric charge; 2 - used to emphasize that one wants to do or have something very much; 3 - have an orgasm.

To resurrect: 1 - restore (a dead person) to life; 2. revive the practice, use, or memory of (something); bring new vigor to.

To life: 1 - the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death;

>>41956409

Alright. This is enough, I think. We gotta get technical here because the anon is trying to mislead you guys and he is trying to defend the bible. Just read the definition of the words. It is there. Once you are born you are in life living. After some time you die. Once you die you are not living anymore. You lived one time and now you are dead. But then God resurrects you. God restores your body and call your soul and restore you to life. What is this? You are living again! You lived twice. This is the second time that you are alive. You died one time, remember? And now you have been resurrected and you are living again. This means this is the second time you are living. So we can logically say, objectivelly say, that if the resurrection is true then we do live more than once and if reincarnation is real we also live more than one time. There's no way around it. you are wrong, buddy. Anons, don't let this christian golem deceive you guys. The bible has contradictions. Lots of it.

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>>41951749
Past life regressive hypnosis, near death experiences, astral travelling, kids remembering past lives, psychic mediums all tell the same thing.

"Afterlife" seems to just be a big mystery school and it's mimics her on earth with people trying to figure out why we're here. You go through initiations, learn and go to next level thinking someone has the answers and truth.

>>41959328
She is having an autism moment

weirdle

>>41951749
>I find the idea of reincarnation absurd.
Even if it is real, it's still a bum deal.

1. You die
2. A stranger, unrelated and unconnected to your is born with no recollection unless he happens to be one of the few with the ability to recall past lives. It's still not you. It's a stranger who may have a few of your memories.

Big deal. What's the point? What does that get you?

>>41961272
But Buddhism is listed and it’s just stripped down Hinduism. Buddhism is to Hinduism what Christianity is to Catholicism.

Christianity? Worshiping a Jew. Judaism? Jewish. Islam? Arabic.

None of it is white.

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Consciousness is eternal. It's impossible to experience unconsciousness. You were birthed from the void not long ago and death is merely a return to that same state that you've been birthed from already. It will happen again. Instantaneously- because oblivion cannot be experienced

>>41951749
Pre-birth can be assumed to be the same place as death. Not alive.
We were already taken from there once. Why wouldn't it happen again?

>>41959817
Nobody else really has the answers, though. You keep living lives so you can learn because once you have the answers, you can finally ascend. So if you're still here, you're still learning.

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>>41963889
I don't think there's a final truth or answer so to speak. Rebirth is endless, in whatever shape or for form it takes and the desire to find an answer, to experience is in itself what's driving existence.

>>41954573
Man, even the Jews control the afterlife.

>>41963889
>life be about learnin teh lessons n shit
what are we supposed to be learning, anon? how come we can't learn it except through raging suffering? surely a god with the power to create and sustain a whole fucking universe can make it so we're capable of learning TeH LesSons in less rigorous ways than, oh say, becoming a freakish burn victim or a chimpanzee mauling victim, or the elephant man

the "world is a school" hypothesis just doesn't even stand up to elementary logic

>>41964014
If life is basically a virtual reality game it makes perfect sense. Whatever happens here is not that important since your being goes back to it's spirit form. What's important is what you learn and how you evolve. A lifetime of hardship is the blink of an eye in eternity, or rather the timeless.

>>41964068
it only makes sense if you've never really suffered, and I don't mean some normie "suffering" like a broken relationship or losing your stupid McJob

real suffering causes actual spiritual trauma that isn't easily forgotten and can't just be brushed off with platitudes and "oh well it's behind me cuz im a ghost now with no awareness of linear time anymore lol"

but nice try, hylic

>>41954929
You hate Jews because they make you feel how you make everyone else feel. Your hatred of Jews does not disprove the existence of God.

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>>41964134
Some people overcome trauma in their lifetime while others are stuck. The severity of the traumatic event doesn't necessarily correlate to how a person is affected by it or their ability to overcome it.
If you can't accept and take accountability, but instead live in perpetual victimhood, voe is me, blame everyone, blame God and not work on these wounds. You're going to be stuck in that mental state of suffering.

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>>41964457
>muh bootstraps

>>41964068
>Whatever happens here is not that important since your being goes back to it's spirit form
If what happens here is "not that important" then how can any of the lessons we learn here be important?

I found a baby bird being eaten alive by fireants before it could even finish hatching. What did it learn from this horrific (and "not very important") lesson?

Good souls and evil of awesome power chose to incarnate near me during my life times for I am God Almighty. Others tried to incarnate far from me but were brought close, and still others wished to be near but are far. Souls I love and hate are near to me, whether physically or astrally. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Besides, enemies are fun to crush.

>>41959134
Same. I have existential OCD and it's basically destroyed me as well, makes it hard to live in the moment.
It doesn't help that my life has been dogshit and I've lost a lot of people.

>>41951749
I worked out some fractions, and there is only a rare chance one person in the group would be born once per creation.

>>41959134
You go to sleep every night, the only reason you don't fear it is because you know you'll wake up. What if you knew there would be a chance that at any random time you go to sleep you'll never wake up? Tomorrow or in 70 years.

>>41964068
This seems so silly. Why would a greater being segment apart of itself in such a way that the individual part has barely any if no recollection of its greater self, not the purpose it wanted.
You say its how "you" evolve but you're not talking about me, you're talking about this greater being I can't seem to understand. If anything it sounds like I'm just some flimsily flesh slave made for someone else's growth.

>>41964755
It's just a cope for the horrendous nature of suffering
>the baby with cancer is learning a spiritual lesson
Just cope. Similar to the classic-
>it's all part of God's mysterious plan

The true nature of reality is frightening and most people can't handle it

>>41951749
I agree it's absurd, especially the way basically any religion teaches it.

And yet the evidence for it exists. It's hard to disbelieve something I have personally done. Same reason I believe in psychic phenomena.

>>41951788
>Even forgetting the basic "this isn't my first life time" would be an incredible memory to have but no we don't get that.
You don't MOST of the time. Sometimes it's different though. I don't know if those are the times something goes right or something goes wrong. But some people do keep some memories from their past life. Ian Stevenson assembled a long list of such cases. Renowned skeptic Carl Sagan even said more research like his should be done.

>>41955363
Since the bible contradicts the bible, is that why it's still taught too?

>>41960686
That's how you know a thread is saying something spicy. The glowies sic their babblebot on it to make it hard to follow and poison the well.

Before got they used to just spam flat earth and shit.

>>41955363
Have u baked a cake made out of human shit yet christgolem? Why are you disobeying the bible? Have you sold all your stuff and given it to the poor? Why are you disobeying the Bible? Cmon little Christstain, sell all your shit and live like a rambling homeless man and tell everyone the world is going to end every goddamn year and then it never happens.

>>41964997
>ohh little christgolem dont trust ur understanding only trust schizophrenic iron age demon worshippers
>ohh dont forget not to trust in works
>lol jk faith w/o works is dead little christgolem
>OOGA BOOGA ANGRY GOD GONNA DESTROY LE WORLD ANY DAY NOW BC THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE OOOGA BOOGA, 2 MORE WEEKS OOOGA BOOGA THE WRATH OF DA LAWDDDDD U BETTER GET RIGHT W GAWD ANON ALSO U MUST OBEY THE GUBMINT BC GOD PUT DA GUBMINT IN CHARGE THATS RIGHT ANON DA LAWD PUT CHILD RAPISTS AND HITLER AND STALIN AND MAO IN CHARGE U GOOD LITTLE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER
>DONT FORGET HATE UR OWN LIFE HATE UR FAMILY AND PRACTICE DENIAL OF PLEASURE OR U R "WORLDLY"
>PAIN N SUFFERING N SICKNESS AND POVERTY IS A GRACE, BUT IF UR LOCAL CULT LEAD-UHH PRIEST IS RICH BC OF IDIOT FOLLOWERS TITHES THATS A BLESSING DONT B ENVIOUS OF THY NEIGHBOR
>NEVERMIND HOW MANY TIMES WE CATCH CHRISTIAN CULT LEADERS FAKING MIRACLES AND FUCKING CHILDREN, OH IF U THINK THEYRE ALL SWINDLERS THATS A "DEMON" U MUST GO TO DELIVERANCE MINISTRY DONT FORGET TO FORGIVE UR LOCAL CHOMO PRIEST BC U GOTTA LOVE UR ENEMIES LITTLE CHRISTKEK
>OOH BUT UHH HINDUS N DA BUDDHIST MONK, THEY GON TA HELL, NOT THE CHOMO PRIEST, HE DO DA LAWDS WORK

Btw the evangelical church is a glownigger cult and thats why they prosleytize to catholics.

>>41964755
You're making assumptions that there's a greater central being consciously directing everything. Life is largly self organizing according to physical laws and the innate nature of man, the psychology and biological needs. Let's instead say this greater being, or God, experience everything that has a spirit. In animistic culture basically everything has a spirit. Living beings, plants, trees, mountains, lakes and rivers.
Now multiple that with the billions of galaxies, star systems and planets with spirits experiencing life in various forms.

It seems like once back in the afterlife (or forever life) you have recollection of all your past physical lives, with "time" your going to forget about the suffering of your physical lives.
It would be pointless and defeat the purpose of living as a human with its hardship if you knew that this life in a physical vessel is just a temporary experience.

>>41964889
The Bible doesn't contradict itself. It is misunderstood by those without understanding. Not to mention that such people usually have an agenda and will twist it any way they can. It's called bearing false witness.

>>41964997
>I am very vile
the post

>>41951749
You were born into the universe which was created out of nothing, you will die and the universe will collapse. What comes from nothing can come again from nothing.

>>41951749
It comes down to your ability to use cognitive imagery as a form of actual perception. If you don't have much experience, aptitude, skill, or ability then you don't have what it takes to directly verify the concept yourself. A lack of personal observation of enough variations of phenomenon to become oriented to the functions of out of body consciousness and perception leaves you in a condition of dependency on others to report to you about what exists in these realms. If you are trying to learn from someone who only has a fear of the functions of their own mind and consciousness as a foundation for their narrow views of the world then you will be very unlikely to grow beyond the boundaries they have managed to keep themselves within.
Real knowledge doesn't require fear based narrative and omission of observation. It also doesn't rely on second hand reports.

Only you can verify your own perception.. at least at our current technology level. The aspects of development that you have to attain for this particular aspect of our existence are functions of remote viewing out of body perception and subsequent management of cognitive imagery. There are several things you need experiences with; you have to establish your ability to perceive another person who you can verify the physical material accuracy of the perception afterwards.. and you have to establish that you are able to perceive something at a different time than the present.. you have to experience the functions of your consciousness that cause you to 'see' through the perspective of the eyes of another person who is living at the same time as you are. This is much more common while interacting with native American heritage groups so that might help you get the experience needed.. but then once you have experience with all those things you have to gain observations from the perspective of other people, or whatever other beings, who have lived their lives in years prior to your own current incarnation.

>>41966645
Continued..
This is the prerequisite experience to be able to begin discovery of how to verify whether you are seeing a life of another consciousness or you are seeing a life lived by yourself at a time when your consciousness was attached to a different body. The process involves examination of the imagery within your mind to discern the neurological structures involved in the visual memory in each instance.. you have many images within your mind. Even without studying cognitive imagery as a form of actual perception you have various types of imagery in your neurological structures that are involved in functions of memory. Some images arrived directly delivered by your own first person perspective in response to your own 'physical' senses while others arrived in your mind by means of imagination or through observation of deliberately created illusions such as watching a video or looking at a photograph. If you look very closely scrutinizing within your ability to see the images within your mind you can discern differences. In the case of imagery gathered by functions of cognitive perception this difference is enough to establish the nature of the connection between your current consciousness and a perception of a previous body it was attached to.

Alternatively you can recover the memory of the events that take place between these periods of incarnation but this is significantly more advanced and requires a lot more experience to be properly oriented to the context of geospatial orientation. Most humans can't verify this for themselves and so they prefer to imagine that no one else can either. They trust the mainstream media narrative to deliver to them the full depths of the universe, all in tightly controlled 30 minute sitcom formats with canned laughter supporting their limited and emotionally sensitive irrational beliefs.

If you don't think this is real you have far more to learn than you yet realize

Most of you can't even remember the beings that are visiting you several times a week to monitor your development.. or the many lessons they have delivered to you while you were in your subconscious awareness. They have shown you how this works and are involved in the process and yet you remain consciously unaware.
How are you limited? By subconscious choice or by actual limitations of ability?

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>>41951749
Some children remember pasts lifes, there is evidence of that.

And reincarnation is just one of the options after you die.

>>41964818
The baby doesn’t learn anything. But the super organism that is human society does. In biology, cells die and the body reacts. Thats the evolutionary advantage of society after all, single organisms can die but their impact and contributions live on, knowledge can survive death and progression is mostly intact.

>>41966519

The bible is a collection of second and third hand accounts of mythical events that happened in the past and were verbally passed down over the years in the worlds most famous game of telephone until some kings and church authorities decided which ones were official by selecting works that supported their position. Only for those works to be translated, retranslated, and translated again and again all while being revised to match modern doctrines and political climates. Then at some point the corrupt officials that gate kept these texts decided to sell tickets to heaven and split the church into multiple competing ideologies.

> The bible is misunderstood by those without understanding. Not to mention that such people usually have an agenda and will twist it any way they can. It's called bearing false witness.


Now a days you have hardcore believers that have never questioned their faith or its history making statements like this, not realizing how they are ironically describing themselves. Fucking A man.

>>41968322
retard

>>41968322
I’m honestly blown away how SO MANY seemingly normal IQ people go their entire life believing in something with such a flawed origin. It’s fucking wild, like just take a step back for a moment and think about it.

>>41959328
Brb reincarnating as a secret lab gamergirl chair.

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>>41951749
I'm Alrady Back

>>41951769
>give zero explanation
>can't support his imaginary beliefs
Oh anon, what an absolute mongoloid you are

>>41951749
It's largely irrelevant. Another way to tie divinity to matter.

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On the contrary, reincarnation is the most intuitive, coherent, and easy-to-understand idea among all traditions and beliefs about the afterlife. If you think about it, everything that surrounds our existence consists of cycles: days, weeks, lunar phases, seasons, years. Life itself is a repeated succession of events. Nature, in its balance, replaces death with new life, and eventually brings that life to an end so that another may take its place

If you look at the existence of insects, when an ant dies, it is immediately replaced by the next one. It does not have consciousness like a person does, but it does have a will. That will is programmed to fulfill a mission. It is entirely plausible to say that when an ant dies, it immediately reincarnates into another, because it functions as a kind of hive mind projected and dispersed across different individuals, all of which are part of a greater mission.

It is easy to understand this with an ant. It becomes more complex with human beings, because humans possess memory and self-awareness. These do not remain, at least not in their entirety, after death. However, part of you, your genetic code and the "transcendental reality" of which you were a part (such as mission, survival, creation, and exploration), remains in your descendants, in your brothers and sisters, and in your people, your nation.

There is growing research suggesting that what our genetic code transmits may be far more than we assume, perhaps even allowing for inherited memories or intuitions from our ancestors. What is certain is that we are part of a vast current, and sometimes we do not realize that we act propelled by it. Our ancestors created a world, and that world shaped their children. Those children reshaped their environment, and that environment shaped the next generation. This reciprocal and continuous relationship has an origin that can even be described as spiritual and transcendental

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>>41969954
Therefore, if you let me finish the idea, it is understandable why so many cultures, religions, and peoples believe in some form of reincarnation. I do not believe in it myself, but to me it seems far more obvious than the idea of eternal life. The Abrahamic religions are more complex. Christianity, for example, can seem almost counterintuitive. In some sense, it appears unnatural (not as a criticism)... there's a deeper level of complexity. Many of its ideas have even extended into later secular and scientific thought.

>>41969954
>>41969957
This is refreshing. While I might disagree with the ant example to some degree, I agree with the rest. Very well said anon.

>>41969954
>Our ancestors created a world, and that world shaped their children. Those children reshaped their environment, and that environment shaped the next generation. This reciprocal and continuous relationship has an origin that can even be described as spiritual and transcendental
While true, the ones propelling change are usually the minority and their source of inspiration might not always be of this world or human so to speak.
There are tribes to this day practically still living in the stone age and many others would have been content still living their traditional lifestyle if they hadn't been disturbed by colonizing foreign forces.

>>41954875
This
It really isn’t so funny when you think about it though
They’re spending all their time coping here, wasting away, trying to convince others we don’t have just ONE Chance and that is THE NOW so they feel better

>>41951749
People have never understood death. So they make things up. This is one such thing

>>41973142
People who have not developed their ability to use consciousness as a means of perception decide to make many arbitrary declarations about reality that they presume to be "necessarily true" or "logical" and "rational". Little do they know about the subject.
It is actually possible to gain direct observation of phenomena that they are assuming doesn't exist based only on their own personal inability to make use of it. Imagine how the world would be if people were raised to adulthood with their eyes taped shut.. everyone artificially made blind.. while a few walked among them with the "normal" ability to see. This is a fair comparison to what is actually occurring.. yet the directions into which your abilities can actually reach are beyond what you are familiar with.
There are stages of development that you have to attain personal observation of, and formulate comprehension of, in order to make sense of orientation to the out of body perspective.. the experience of verification that you are actually capable of perceiving tangible physical reality is just a tiny first step. You can literally become so clearly oriented to the context of your own presence that you can consciously move around out of body; consciously 'lucid' while your body is "sleeping". To do so gives you the opportunity to look at things that you physically don't have access to or experience with that you can then go to verify after you are fully conscious awake and have documented your observations. Extensive familiarity with this is the beginning of the ability to usefully perceive beyond this tangible orientation.
Much of what exists in these ancient "claims" of abstract phenomenon are actually based on directly gathered observations not just of a single person but by numerous individuals across many generations. Not everyone learns to see with their mind.. but those who have are very often in agreement on interpretation of what they are seeing ..that a non seeing outsider can't.

>>41954821
Rhetoric is the foundation of brainwashing.
You don't even access your own perception due to your devotion to your communal doctrine of containment.
Your beliefs are similar to how the people contained inside of north korea are conditioned to believe. The lies you have accepted as reality are a cage you will choose to never escape from.

>>41951788
if they haven't learned how to remain fully conscious while they are sleeping it is not surprising that they fail to do so after they leave their body for the last time to begin their orientation to the conditions available to the out of body consciousness. there are many things available.. just as there are many things available to you when you go out of your house.. you can perhaps easily imagine them.. but will you do them? the most likely probability is that you will leave your home only in a well worn routine that you have engaged in only due to structures of obligation and commitment over which you have little control. this is the nature of what most people will be doing after death.. waiting for others more competent to set them in motion pursuing obligations they are compelled to engage in with little conscious thought of their own brought to bear.

if you can't watch yourself going to sleep and then retain your full memory of the events during the time you were sleeping right up until the moment you returned to your body and got back into it.. with full clear vision of the process.. fully aware before during and after reentering your body... then it is not going to be much different for you after your body has been rendered incapable of supporting biological living functions..

if you can't do this at least once in your life you will likely be disoriented and dependent on others for guidance once you find yourself out of body with no other option. fortunately for you there are such 'others' present who will undoubtably involve themselves in your circumstances on that occasion.. though you will have no comprehension of them or what they are doing. they will be glad to observe your illusions and support whatever you imagine is occurring to keep you immersed within your limited and limiting illusions.

>>41974168
but why are we like this? it's not easy to become more conscious and aware

>>41974168
>>41975246
and i don't want to suffer anymore

>>41951749
science fag way of saying it, matter cannot be created nor destroyed, so It's impossible for you to just up and disappear after death and decomposition, probably takes a few hundred years to become something again but it would probably feel instant, almost like how sleeping without dreaming feels.

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>>41951749
Just not being able to accept death. Like most religions.

>>41951749
What would you do if in your next life your a hot thicc latina woman?

>>41951749
You're simply ignorant of Western reincarnation in Roman Neo-Platonic Polytheism because of Christcuckery. There's a small book called "On the Gods and the World" by Sallustius which is the basic introductory text on NP!

reading Life before Life by Jim B. Tucker casually disproves 100% of the arguments against reincarnation brought forth in this thread. don't fall for their memes, anon

>>41951873
>Vedic culture decays into hinduism
What exactly is the difference between the two?

>>41966732
the mantids?

>>41974168
What terrifies me most about this is that the only experience I know of in sleep is my dreams. And the way I act in my dreams doesn't even feel like the real me. They don't think or even speak the exact way i am. What if being dead is the same and my soul is this strange version of me that's not quite the same as the real me?

>>41977874
Is there a good place to get it for free?

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>>41978821
Ocean of PDF, that's where I get all my ebooks. Unfortunately they don't have it in the epub format, but it's still there.

>>41975246
>>41975394
Why is anything like it is? Sometimes you just have to let things be what they are, whatever this may mean, as you seek to accurately fathom exactly what it is. Sometimes correct understanding can occur quickly.. while some things require long periods of time to gather tiny gains forward towards comprehension. An acorn becomes an old oak tree gradually and only given the circumstances that allow this to happen. Much of knowledge comes from understanding to tend to the pursuit of discovery with no sense of expectation. We do not control what exists by supporting it with our beliefs.. if we choose to immerse our selves in the indulgence of illusion there is no way for anything to divide us away from illusion to force us to be aware of truth.

Knowledge arrives.. emerges from the monotony through the events of our existence. You would be more content with all of your worldly needs satisfied.. but what obstacles are you really facing? Reality is before you.. you choose what to focus on.
Some see opportunity in a field of obstacles.. some see only obstacles in the same field of opportunities. Rare knowledge sits among the common. Find what you will

Suffering is a product of attachment..

>>41951749
it's an observation that similar kinds of experiences create similar kinds of people. two people getting crushed into the same mold may not know anything about each other specifically, but do know everything generally about each other. some people interpret this as literal reincarnation. others see it as repeating patterns in history

bump

>>41951749
To me it feels inevitable, like fact. Nothing ever comes from nothing, and nothing ever fully goes away. Everything is constantly transforming. Even the sciencefags acknowledge that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. So when a person dies, where does there energy go? Maybe it enters another creature, or perhaps it powers a lightbulb. It's all the same thing.

>>41969957
>I do not believe in it myself, but to me it seems far more obvious than the idea of eternal life.
From the same position here, reincarnation even makes more sense as an explanation for the religious myth of eternal life, if it originates from the same concept that natural forces exchange resources in cycles where energy is transformed rather than destroyed. It becomes a natural extension of our observation that bodies “return to the earth” after death and a rational adaptation to the fear of dying “in spirit” to imagine that the soul exists as a natural element that will recycle like water.

I do believe reincarnation is real, but I don't think its this inevitable only option. Its one of the many possibilities in death and you don't have to do it. Some people just really like this world for some reason and want to keep looping over and over in it.

>>41951749
Not necessarily a believer but technically from a physics standpoint everything is excitations which can sort of be modeled as waves or pulses in fields. So maybye reincarnation is when the the wave pattern that is our consciousness has completed another period back into existing?

>>41974168
How do you accomplish this?

>>41951749
The Vedas taught it, it got to Egypt then the Greeks got it from Egypt. Basically every religion except Christianity. It's so convincing even some Jews and shias believe in it.

I'm working this out still, but it seems that Christian baptism makes it so you don't believe in reincarnation

>>41957049
>The same reason you can't set the same piece of paper on fire more than once.

But in theory you could. In the theory once a piece of paper burns it could go through all the changes of matter to go back into being a tree, to only get turned into paper again. Who is to say consciousness isn't just a different form of matter that is constantly getting recycled?

>>41987134
I give you a haiku I wrote when I was 22

>Inevitably
>We will Simulate Ourselves
>For Understanding

>Intellect is the
>True Commodity
>Of the Real Matrix

>>41986866
Like a serpent dipping above and below the liquids wowww

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>>41987154
That tickled me, thanks anon.

>>41986873
Long story.. but watching yourself going to sleep while remaining as conscious as possible is a beginning...
Just explore your ability each night.. make observations and increase your effort
Study your recollection immediately as you return to conscious awareness the next time you wake

When I was doing this I had no real expectations.. was just wondering if it was possible and was just trying to see for as long as possible as my body went to sleep..

I sort of stumbled onto how to do it by trial and error

>>41987134
>But in theory you could.
It's not a theory. You're just saying the universe could just do it all over again because you think it could, and want it to, despite there being no evidence that it's possible.

>Who is to say consciousness
Consciousness is just a meme. Just say spirit, soul, or magic, because that's what you're actually talking about.

You can develop cognitive perception of your previous incarnations.
You can develop perception of this, and many other aspects of our existence and our reality.
With enough ability to perceive, by direct cognitive means, the subject resolves itself into clarity.

Bimp

Even the beings from the stars describe the function of death as a continuous process that returns us to living. We don't even have technology to detect and measure and record consciousness yet. The function of the process is still out of view from the perspective of our limited technology.

>>41993590
which beings? give us their names

>>41993865
Kenneth, for one.