Former non-believers, what made you believe in the existence of the supernatural?
>>41972579i was kinda just forced tobelieve or go insanesounds retarded i know but if you know you know
>>41972579Extreme synchronicity.A lot of supernatural phenomena can be experienced without revelation. You might see a ghost, but then within a few minutes, the reasonable and logical person will question what they actually experienced, they will question their senses. After all, the world is full of illusions and we must use skepticism and reason to navigate through it. It’s very hard to accept a supernatural explanation if there’s any room for doubt and so acceptance never really sticks. But extreme recurring bouts of synchronicity, you can only ignore it for so long. It’s not a one and done thing, it doesn’t stop as fast as it starts. It continues, over and over, and you’re forced to reckon with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D--lnA9eht0https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-fine-tuning-argument-simply-works>The fine structure constant determines the strength of the electromagnetic force. If it were stronger fires and biofuel wouldn’t work and so there would be no practical way of harnessing energy. If it were weaker fires would burn through all the wood and harnessing energy would also be impractical. It falls in a very narrow range needed for viable science. >We use the cosmic microwave background radiation to discover how the universe works and that the big bang happened. Our ability to do this depends on the Baryon to photon ratio “which is just the ratio of the number of baryons (i.e., protons and neutrons) to that of photons (particles of light) per unit volume of space.” The ratio is one to one billion which is precisely optimal for fine-tuning, representing a share of the parameter space at probability 1 in 1 billion. >In particle physics, lots of things are in a narrow range important for discoverability. For instance, Collins originally thought his thesis was refuted by the Higgs Boson, and that it was outside of a narrow range needed for discoverability. He later, however, realized that he’d made an error in his calculation and that it was precisely ideal for discovery.
>>41972579>the supernaturalNo. That is by definition not real.My perception of nature has been adjusted.
>>41972860>school indoctrination>religious fragmentation>you believe you're insignificantThe "Out of Africa" bullshit contributes just as much to this problem. There's more than enough evidence to suggest that humans evolved separately in multiple places. The idea that we're all "homo sapiens" is ridiculous, we're different subspecies. Archaeologists identify other extinct human subspecies through skull and teeth shape, but they don't apply that same standard to modern "homo sapiens."Interestingly, this article leads to a 404 and can only be found on the wayback machine now.
>>41972766Similar for me. What reinforces my belief in the supernatural is that all knowledge is technically blind faith. The Allegory of the Cave hits that point perfectly. Scientific materialism is just a system for measuring and calculating perceived data. It describes patterns in the shadows but doesn’t prove what ultimately is. It’s a method, not an ontology. You’ll hear atheists like Neil deGrasse Tyson dismiss “the God of the gaps,” arguing that what ancient people called God was just ignorance waiting to be filled by science. Fair enough. But the gaps aren’t closed, not even close. Until they are (if that’s even possible), science remains a framework we’ve constructed in the dark to stay productive, sane, and stable. It works, but working models aren’t the same as final truth. Believing in something beyond strict materialism feels like trying to explain light to people who’ve only ever known darkness. If you glimpsed something outside the cave, you wouldn’t have the language for it, and they wouldn’t have the reference point to understand it. You’d barely understand it yourself, but you’d know you saw something.
>>41972766Same and true. But I disagree with the use of the word "supernatural". It's perfectly within nature, just outside the explanation of dogma. Unless you truly are experiencing something else.>>41973194fellow synchronicity enjoyer. It is a profoundly interesting question to ask how man has found himself so spiritually and intellectually poor when many ancient sages thousands of years ago made great strides in wisdom. And wrote it down. It's as if man is willfully ignorant.
>>41972579If by supernatural you mean spiritual realities. I've been extremely receptive my entire life to guidance outside of myself and societal influences. I was basically forced to get into bitcoin in 2014 (still fucked up trading it, mostly broke now LOL, but it supported me for a long time in making spiritual gains). Also had an immediate knowing not to get vaccinated. As for direct, unexplainable personal experience I had Kundalini fireballs and intense spiritual energy activated during a Vipassana. Last month I had a consciousness expansion experience after doing "The Great Work" where I successfully remembered why I incarnated, what my karma is, how to resolve it, and what the meaning of life is. There was a primal spiritual force outside of the ego me leading me during this experience. After those realisations my field of view temporarily turned panoramic ultra high definition and my range of vision extended 30% so I could see outside of my normal range. I also perceived the benevolent spirits guiding me in my third eye (felt like my mothers soul but that could be my mind grasping).I was a lone spiritual seeker in a past life who kept the knowledge to himself and I felt incredibly bad about it after the life was over. I also had a bad experience with "evil energy" in either the same past life or another. I came to rectify this karma.
>>41972579It was the only thing that could give me hope.
I am not a believer. I am just observing the reality for possible cracks.
>>41972579For me its was reading several different texts made in different ages by different people about different subjects that all seemed to touch on the same topics. Did they all just guess the same thing? There's no way they'd all just perfectly make up the same lies and no way every text author was in on it together. It's impossible to say which particular text is 100% right, but the fact they all have so many major similarities is enough synchronicities for me to know there's more to existence then our basic senses and most definitely are not just physical objects.
>>41972595What’s worse it comes to believing in the worst side
>>41972579I've been lucky enough to see paranormal beings and witness paranormal events. So I just know that there is a whole other realm of reality hidden from us.
>>41972579when I made up some bullshit about auguring Cassell's Latin dictionary. bibliomancy anon and I had a chat about it as a trade for their thread, then it took off. shameless crosspost.>>41966207bibliomancy anon's thread. all respect due, I wouldn't have imagined it on the spot with them. in keeping with what I said about my practice of discarding a chaos magic apparatus after use, bibliomancy anon offered along the way to incorporate it into their Digital Oracle, which is rad.>>41970088I would recommend all of you try something similar. it was super fun for me, and all the correspondences are real, especially the ones in the 10 random words selection. I didn't cherry pick them during or ahead of time, just as they came, once I tightened up that part of the process.
>>41975906>all respect due, I wouldn't have imagined it on the spot with them.well shit. I meant to say I wouldn't have imagined it *without* them. otherwise I would've just done other stuff that evening, probably putting off studying Latin.
>>41972579Demonic encounter when I was around 11 or 12. Experienced it with my Father who confirmed I wasn't hallucinating.
>>41972579Two arguments against Kingship1) Allah says Kings are not to use golden utensils until the next life, but the only point of being a king is to use golden utensils2) The emperor has no clothes because the layman sees his desires as empty; so why not cut out the middle man, and be a. Buddha?
>>41976145The second argument is actually a syllogism1) Kingship is empty 2) Kingship is highest3) The Most High is emptyThis is why the surras call Buddha the God of Gods. Atman is BuddhaAtman out
>>41972579I heard Joe Rogan say something about the Bob Lazar documentary that convinced me to watch it, and it was all downhill from there.
>>41976139What happened?>>41976147I don't understand. How is this relevant?
>>41973132There's plenty of room for both "out of Africa" and "evolved separately in multiple places" hypotheses. But I suppose you're eager to justify your racism?
>>41972579Somewhere on the Columbia River, not sure where. I took a bus to some random stop and got off. Got off and walked on a highway for a while, then walked back.Walked towards the river and found some train tracks and started walking. There was an access road so it was pretty easy. Had a couple of religious books, zen bhuddhism and something muslim, and an nas new testament.Walked along the road, got huge blisters on my feet. Didn't really get anything from the books.In the new testament read something that struck me, "Don't worry about what you eat or drink, or what you wear, it will be taken care of."I paraphrase.I thought, "That is a provable statement" that it was something that wasn't reliant on intellectual bullshit, but practical. I thought, here I am out in the ass end of nowhere, and if its true it is provable.And if it isn't I can ditch this book in the river and never look back.So, I thought about it. What it means to "not worry" but expect that "it" will be taken care of.So by now I'm sitting out in the ass end of nowhere, walking and camping along this river away from everyone, with double blisters on my feet. Yes, once you get a huge ass blister on your foot, if you keep walking you will get a second blister. Wear good shoes or train your feet.So, anyway, "not worrying" is an action. To "not worry" requires energy. It is literally actual faith. Not religous faith, but actual "not worrying" faith.It puts you into contact with things outside of your meat brain. And you will never be the same, or accpted again.
>>41977298>meObviously the story continues.That was 1987, and it hasn't ended.Good Luck
when i saw how crazy everyone else is. there is no way they are just like that.
Encounter with the Holy Spirit.
>>41977327Point of the story was that it was my first conscious direct experience of the supernatural.From a baseline experience. That our reality is governed, and that there are actual rules. You can fuck up as much as you want. You will be constrained. People you fuck up will be around you for however it takes you to defuck whatever you did to them.Some people are assholes.You cannot help them. The Cross of Christianity is not something you want to involve yourself with. No one want's the Cross.Seriously.Good Luck
Tried LSD and realised how artificial the reality presented to me appeared, the things I am expected to believe felt like cardboard cut outs obscuring a more vivid truth behind them.I'm not sure what is beyond, but I've seen the "halftones" of this reality which make me certain there is something beyond.
>>41977616Again for context:My understanding of the Cross as described in the four gospels is not something religious. It is a literal experience of pain and horror no human being should experience. Unfortunately, if your reading this, you signed up for "hellverse3000©" So, your fucked.Your only hope is absolute humility, which is pretty much absolutely impossible. In this day and age.None the less, good fucking luck.Anyway, yeah, good luck. I feel bad. And stuff.
>>41977697>LSDYou just hallucinated you fucking retard, you fried your brain for a while. That's all LSD is. You have not had a "mystical" experience.I bet you're the annoying retard that tells everyone that you now understand the universe just because you tried fucking LSD. That's fucking pathetic.
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5-htp before bed made me believe the supernatural because i would get all kinds of visitations during the night and it's easy to say they are hallucinations, but they have a layer of realness just as waking moment does.I'm going to try to impregnate a succubus.
>>41972766This desu, you can dismiss things as coincidental for a while but it adds up.
Premonitions of death of loved ones in late childhood/early adolescence. Demonic/shadow encounter while in deep meditation in late teens. Prophetic dreams and occasional visions starting in early 20s. Intentional research into psi and anomalous cognition in late 20s. I'm still sceptical as a rule but there's obviously something at play.
>>41972579I gained the ability to incarnate this world exactly as you experience it, except when I do, I invert all red shift in the observable Universe, into blue shift of equal magnitude.
Former fedora-tier hardcore atheist here1. Cornucopia ME was my first real awakening that there's truly something paranormal or anomalous about our universe. A lot of MEs (Berenstain, etc) don't hold much water and can be explained through more mundane means, but there are a handful, like the Cornucopia or Dolly's braces, for which there is no satisfactory mundane / naturalistic / atheistic explanation.2. Studying more about biology and evolution: natural selection & Darwinian evolution makes a lot of sense on some levels, but go small enough and far back enough, and eventually it stops making sense. For instance, the zipper mechanisms responsible for decoding DNA. There's a certain point where you're no longer in the fuzzy realm of "best environmental fit" and you're in the realm of binary "either this works or it doesn't, Y/N", and to my knowledge there is still to this day no satisfactory explanation or theory of how the very mechanisms that allow for natural selection (namely DNA/RNA replication) could themselves have evolved naturally, even given a massively long timespan. It just doesn't check out.3. Once my heart was softened by the above two things, reading more about NDEs and psychic phenomenon from there started to really open my eyes up.
>>41972579The UFO attacks in Colares Brazil during the 70s. Hundreds of people witnessed UFOs, they got attacked, they got injuries, they got photographs, the military launched an operation to investigate, people even died. It’s undeniable proof of the reality of the supernatural, and for some reason I’m the only person on this board who talks about it. It drives me mad. When people ask for proof of UFOs they always respond with like a little light far off in the sky that can be proven to move in impossible ways when subject to extreme scrutiny, or a couple of guys with a wild story with maybe a gentle piece of physical evidence; both of these are pretty easy for normies and skeptics to dismiss or ignore because the tiny far off light doesn’t affect anything and if you yourself aren’t an expert on aircraft physics there are many debunkers who are happy to claim that they are, and the guys with a wild story are easy to dismiss as crazy people looking for attention because even if telling their story made their lives worse in every way and the mental illness explanation doesn’t make sense for two people to the skeptic the meager 1% chance those people are lying for attention becomes 100% when you consider supernatural stuff to have a 0% chance of being real. And meanwhile the well documented Colares attacks and Operção prato are right there, unknown to the public, never discussed. It drives me nuts that no-one talks about it, I always bring it up when people talk about proof of the supernatural because it’s impossible to ignore. I wonder if part of the reason it’s so unknown could be that skeptics debunking and “debunking” supernatural events is one of the most common ways knowledge of these events spread, and that skeptics don’t want to cover an event like this which is much harder for them to “debunk” for the public.
>>41972579Was drinking and smoking on my porch one night, alone. Wanted to test two theories at once, so I thought "if I don't see a UFO in the next 5 seconds I'll stop believing in God."Out of the corner of my eye I see a star blink, was stationary until I looked at it, and then it started moving, like 0 to 30 in less than a second. Got into CE5 and it was very reproducible. On any given night, I would see hundreds of those little fuckers up there. They started flashing me at random after that. Some nights I would get the sudden urge to look up and see one of them there darting back and forth.
>>41972579Suddenly remembering..That, and other direct experience and observation
>>41982522What made you remember?
>>41982640Long story. A book. On more than one occasion.The titles;Majestic by Streiber read in aug and sept1991Secret Weapons by Herscha read in summer 2001Mk ultra not technically paranormal but the function of the multiple identity structures qualify. Other than those two instances I had direct experience. Ghosts ..and some of the unusual physics involved in their ability to move matter, Bigfoot ..didn't see him but it passed overhead jumping through trees, Outside of body during "dream", Cognitive perception within the mind, etc.I spent years with nearly full conscious awareness during a majority of the interactions with the beings from the stars, I found other beings that are present here co evolved with us who live absorbed into the ground just as our consciousness is absorbed into our physical bodies.. and spent several years fully conscious during the time my body was 'sleeping'There was some kind of conflict in their realms and they left the area.. it's reasonable to hypothesize that they are still present elsewhere.. I am in a populated area so maybe they moved away from the human civilization.. but they have a very different relationship to physical material and they have technology to interact with it with physics properties that we are currently not yet aware of..Only found them because I had become capable of remembering the entire time I was sleeping.. and that was due to several friends that had heritage in native American heritage groups At this point I have far more experience than most..
>>41979823>Berenstainthis one did it for me, but I first noticed something was off (about 9/11, more than anything) right before Obamna was inaugurated. ats.com way before this festering cumhole known as 4chan
>>41984039sorry http://abovetopsecret.com/
>>41976907NTA but I have no need to further justify it in any scientific manner. The actions of a group of living individuals speak louder than any peer-reviewed extract ever could.
>>41972860https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_BesslerI figured out how Bessler built his wheel.It's not really all that complicated. Effectively it's a mobius Jacob's ladder in terms of the primary moving function.. that utilizes properties of inertia, improper rotation and the reflective functions of a pseudovector to reflect a portion of the ascending weight value of one of a pair of two masses suspended in a directionally confined rotating pendulum function during the rotation. It has dawned on me that it doesn't seem to matter how much information you hand to someone who doesn't want to believe it is possible.. for them, it can't exist so it doesn't.
>>41982640People who have not developed a connection to nature have an unnatural concept of what exists within it. A human declaration that nature is somehow unnatural is a self reflexive joke. Human declarations of the existence of levels (i.e. super-natural) are actually a reflection of the limits of their own ability to perceive and comprehend. When I was 7 8 9 I used to spend the entire day in the woods seeking to sneak up on and observe the Louisiana version of a Bigfoot.. named by the French.. a "rue"It didn't seem to be that much more dangerous than what my father had done in Vietnam sneaking up close enough to watch chinese soldiers eating in the middle of the night. I never found them and I would turn around to go home once I found other human activity and construction.. or alligator domain. Then I had to move back to Germany where we lived with the daily reality of expectation that the former Soviet Union would be entering west Germany just as you saw them entering the Ukraine in recent years. It was around the time I turned 19 when I finally got direct personal observation of Bigfoot.. and then it was in a populated area.. passing through by jumping from tree to tree.. faster than I could have run.. maybe 20 to 35 mph just jumping from tree to tree. Made each trunk sound like a wooden xylophone key.. and then only a tiny sound of leaves rustling as it moved into the next jump.
>>41976145>the only point of being a king is to use golden utensilsInteresting perspective. To me it's more about the influence and being able to enact change on a big scale.
>>41984352The spring is the means of containment of the pendulum function.. as if that wasn't obvious.. but it is also responsible for the redistribution of the weight value (across the perpendicular pseudovector of the wheel relationship to the field of gravity) and thus also the inversion of it into a negative value.. super efficient and clever. The lateral motion of the pendulum function is the variable that is the source of the apparently excess energy which is actually delayed inputs of the gravity force effects of the two masses suspended in the configuration. But yeah.. any 5th grader could probably figure it out
I went from believer to nonbeliever to believer because of covid and noticing. I can't ignore it. I don't even think of it as supernatural, just a hard to perceive part of the natural world.
>>41973235>and what the meaning of life iswell?>>41977298>and if its true it is provableso what happened?
>>41984043The actions of individuals from any given "group", in name, credos, or genetic similarities, ought to be taken on a case by case basis. You're a fool if you believe these groupings share the same brain.I mean that's what soldiers try for. All that Spartan bullshit is peculiar to that culture. Well mimicked by all militaries and fascists. So try not to project YOUR values on all these others, asshole.
>>41984352Where's the magnets?
>>41972579The fact these glowtards are sometimes on my walls as shadows and admit to eating children.I'm the one they hate apparently.
>>41979615> Prophetic dreams and occasional visions starting in early 20s.Those prophecies came true? What were they about?
