>>41975245
I've spent the last 16 years reorganizing my paradigm regularly to fit in different post-death frameworks. Truth is i can't streamline it perfectly, so death remains in part a "surprise". I do have lost the fear of dying though, i've been close to dying a couple times and i was accepting. This is in part because i firmly believe it's convenient to die with coherence, with a clear mind.

Have you explored the reason why it bothers you so much?

>>41975269
>reorganizing my paradigm regularly to fit in different post-death frameworks
can you explain what you mean by that?
>Have you explored the reason why it bothers you so much?
yes, I think it's mostly my low tolerance for uncertainty and having a hard time letting go of familiarity

i'll worry about it when i'm dead. thats how i try to feel.

>>41975347
>can you explain what you mean by that?
Well i'm here to begin with because i became interested in occultism and esotericism when i was a teen (i even learned english here kek). When you study those things you're bound to encounter countless models of metaphysics, and you're forced to reconcile them if you want to keep a coherent paradigm, that's what i meant.

>>41975378
Would you be willing to be summarize your beliefs and recommend some material?

>>41975245
I've never really been alive in this world so death to me is just a cheap parlor trick to make me afraid of something I'd rather go to. You worry about importance but to overcome fear you should accept it's all unimportant and meaningless. In other words you have to die inside completely. In your mind heart and soul. Then your body won't recoil and you can be rebirthed.

>>41975529
That's a lot to ask, but basically i believe reality is fundamentally mental and structured as a relational "lattice", and traditions draw recurring structural patterns within it. Post death states would be reconfigurations within that structure. Ideologically i prioritize coherence of mind over dogma, i'm not devotional at all. This is just a general, quick glimpse of my paradigm, can't really go ham in here, it's too much. But if you have specific doubts i can address that.

For recommendations, that another difficult one, i've read so much in the last decade and a half, but i wouldn't recommend most of it to others. Despite that everything has helped with building my paradigm. I'll try to think of the works that better convey its parts.

>Proclus - elements of theology
Just metaphysical structure
>Henry Corbin - alone with the alone
Ontology
>Valentin Tomberg - meditations on the tarot
You want to deal with symbolic integration as soon as possible and i like this one for that
>Jean Gebser - the ever present origin
Adds a structural layer for consciousness
>Ibn Arabi - fusus al-hikam
Was hesitant to recommend this one, but it helps wrap my paradigm up as a whole. Helped me with avoiding too much abstraction and dealing with paradox, which is a common thing. It's a hard read though.

I'm not gonna recommend "grimoires" or occult manuals, those become flavor down the road, i'm trying to draw a spine for my paradigm with these recommendations.

>>41975245
I have because there's nothing you can do about it, it's pointless to worry about what comes after death

I'm the same way OP I think about it all the time and I fear it, has been that way for a long time, people think I'm lying when I tell them irl but I already felt like this as a kid. For some reason they think children can't get philosophical in their own heads.

>>41975245
I suppose what it's like after you die will be same as what it was like before you were born.

>>41975245
I overcame it ten years ago for about an hour while I was stoned. Never been able to feel that way again

>Embrace fear with all the might at your disposal, and it will collapse upon itself, and be transformed in to the one true thing: Love.
https://normtwitteranthology.tumblr.com/love
In an interview somewhere Norm said this is how he overcame the fear of death. Worth a try/nothing to lose

>>41975245
Yes, with Christ.

>>41975245
Never been afraid of my own death until I bought into the Demiurge myth. Now I worry I will end up going into the light and get captured like a dumb fish

There is nothing wrong with fear. You should stop allowing fear or being fearful to bother you so much. Just look things in the face; emotion will come and go; by this you may become courageous. Beware the call of the void.

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If you place your faith in Jesus Christ alone, you will never fear death. He has already defeated it.

>>41978100
Christianity is literally built for fear.

I used to be so terrified of death that just thinking about it would send me into panic attacks. A few years ago I tried DMT, and the experience was so far beyond anything I can put into words that it genuinely felt like my consciousness went somewhere else for a moment. Because of that, I’ve found a weird kind of comfort — like whatever happens when we die might feel something like that, not scary, just… different.
Its known that the pineal gland produces DMT naturally in your brain and lungs, and the idea that it helps shape our awareness of this physical world makes sense to me. These days, the only thing that really worries me is the idea of dying slowly or painfully. But the moment you’re actually gone? I’ve made peace with that part. It feels like whatever comes next is okay.

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>>41975245
Long, long ago, ages before the bodhisattva attained perfect enlightenment and became the Buddha of our world age, Shakyamuni, he was born into a wealthy Brahmin family. He grew up learning the wisdom, rituals, and skills of his station. When he came of age, people honored him: nobles saw a kingly bearing, the wise looked to him as a sage, and warriors and merchants sensed the judgment of a true leader. Naturally gifted at teaching, he felt drawn to guide others along a path of selfless generosity, which he eventually recognized as his true calling. So he left the city for the forest and founded a hermitage for those who wanted to pursue a higher way of life.

Years later, now a teacher, he was walking in the forest with a disciple. It hadn’t rained for weeks; trees were bare, grass brittle, streambeds nearly dry. Suddenly, they heard a series of coughing roars nearby. “Master, those are the roars of a tiger, a hungry tiger. We should go back. Now,” the student warned. The teacher listened and said, “Wait. Listen again. That’s not just hunger, that’s starvation. Let’s go a little farther and see if we can help.”

They soon came to the edge of a cliff and looked down. A hungry tigress was lying below, struggling to breastfeed two little pups. When they approached, she roared miserably and scared them away. She looked at her cubs with narrowed, unfocused eyes, her skin and bones emaciated, and her ribs clearly evident. In her despair, she began to view her own children as food.

>>41980329
“Quick,” the bodhisattva said. “Find food for her. If she doesn’t eat soon, she may kill her cubs. The karma from that will be terrible. I’ll stay and keep her from harming them until you return.” The disciple ran away. As he vanished, the teacher returned his attention to the scene below. The tigress tried to get up on her front legs, her legs still on the ground. She tried again and again. Finally, she stood, growling and drooling, and staggered toward her cubs.

My student won't be back in time, the bodhisattva thought. I can't just stand here. Mind is enormous, empty, and unfathomable. This body, mere matter, is the crystallization of my own past thoughts and actions from an infinite past. My ultimate wish has always been to help sentient beings. Failing to act now would result in regret. He removed his robe and hung it on a tree branch. Then, hands pressed together like a diver about to enter a lake, he leapt from the cliff.

Startled by the crashing behind her, the tigress crouched in fear, then turned and saw the bloodied body of a man on the rocks. Gathering her last strength, she lunged forward and began to feed.

When the disciple returned, apologetic and empty-handed, he saw his teacher's robe hanging from a tree at the cliff's edge. He called out. No response. Fearing the worst, he glanced over and noticed the tigress feeding. With a cry, he collapsed at the base of the tree and cried. Finally, he stood, wiped his tears, and, in amazement, returned the garment to the hermitage as a sacred relic. He informed the others what had transpired and brought them to the location. They decorated the tree with floral garlands. When the tigress and her cubs left, they went down the cliff, gathered the bodhisattva's bones, and constructed a jeweled stupa to enshrine them.

>>41980335
The gods, stunned by what they had witnessed, descended to Earth where the bodhisattva’s body had been devoured and his blood shed, and they covered the ground with precious incense, fine sandalwood powder, and heavenly perfumes. Even now, the gods remember his selfless deed, and humans do too, who know the tale. It will never be forgotten, even as long ages pass and high mountains and great civilizations rise and fall, never to be heard of again.

https://enlightenmentthangka.com/blogs/thangka/the-starving-tigress-a-tale-of-compassion-selflessness-and-generosity

>>41975245
I’ve accepted that I’ll do literally whatever I can to loop back a few years. Eternal peace/nonexistence/oblivion is a good alternative, but I know I’m coming back.

>>41980203
No it isn't. Do you have any proof to back that up? Christ doesn't want us to fear, if we have God we don't have to be afraid of anything.

>>41975245
By realizing that there is nothing scary about it and i should fear what comes after it

>>41978100
Bullshit. The whole point of Jesus Christ and the abrahamic god is to fear their absolute authority and control over your afterlife enough so that you behave how they say you should behave. Like that’s the whole thing man, how did you miss that?

>>41975547
> It’s all meaningless
It has whatever meaning you give it

> Then your body won’t recoil and you can be rebirthed.
That is not acceptance of death though

>>41976537
> it can be overcome with love power

Gross. That’s some pseudo spiritual non sense.

>>41977854
This

So a rich pampered kid is born into being a powerful influential authority on spiritual matters and teaches people in the wilderness how to behave. $100 says he was running that camp like his own personal kingdom and taking advantage of his followers. A tale as old as time. Guarantee he was insufferable and that disciple pushed him off the cliff.

Point 2. What honors is there in that kind of death? If you’re truly doing good in the world, how is sacrificing yourself for the benefit of 1 going to replace to benefit of many. How many lives would he have saved if he remained alive?

>>41980341
> OP asks has anyone genuinely overcome their fear of death. Anon says yea, by pretending I come back.

>>41983292
> my eternal soul

Delusion. That’s not overcoming the fear of death, it’s coping

>>41975245
We used to have coming of age rituals for this, the human mind really wants to experience the fear of death in a way that feels real so the ambiguity doesn’t spin out forever

>>41975245
Look to the battlefield for the answer
Consult those who have lived with their actions deciding life and death for their enemies and their comrades alike

I'll need to kill myself probably in the next five years. I dread the act of suicide but not what comes after. That part will be whatever it'll be.

Ain't going into no tunnel of light trap though, or responding to any "loved ones" archon tricks, lemme tell you.

>>41975245
> has anyone overcome their fear of death and how.

Yes.

Consider that life can be hard and that suffering is inevitable. Contrast is needed to perceive meaning and so joy can not exist without sorrow. These are the rules of this reality. Death tells us that this life is fleeting. Your life has meaning precisely because it’s finite.

Now imagine immortality of any fashion. You think it sounds comforting right? That’s because you cannot yet comprehend its true meaning. The human mind is bad at realizing stuff like this. That meaning derived from inevitable erasure, it’s gone, life is now meaningless. That never ending awareness that feels both sorrow and joy, it’s now a prison you can’t escape. There is no relief for the immortal soul.

>>41984479
Yea, I’d rather not know infinite sorrow and suffering. Sign me up for one and done.

>>41975245
> how do you get over the fear of death?

Realize that the alternative is intolerable. This is the way

>>41975245
Fear of death is easy to overcome. Fear of pain and suffering is harder to shed.
The trap is to fall into the opposite extreme - it's equally bad to welcome death as it is to keep avoiding it etc.
Keep in mind that the death is not the end.

>>41980203
Wrong buddy

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and FREE those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

>>41987593
lol what?
Does behave and follow my commandments or your eternal afterlife will be punishment ring any bells?

I’m never ceased to be amazed at the mental gymnastics you cult members will perform. The biblical religions are absolutely based on fear. If you deny that then you’re just dumb.

Just yesterday I was in a situation where I thought I could have died. Fortunately/unfortunately, I didn't. I look forward to the day I will leave this earth behind and be with my Lord Jesus. I am preparing every day for that day. I want to be ready for His soon return at all times. I can feel myself getting emotional just typing it. If you are a Believer, Heaven will be so overwhelming to your mind, even more so if you are a low-level convert. You have to be prepared, otherwise you are right to be afraid.

I will only talk about Heaven in this post. Even if you're a Believer, guaranteed for Heaven, there is an aspect of God you need to be prepared for, otherwise it could be painful. If a person who hasn't been to the gym in years tries to run 56 miles one day, it's going to be much more painful than if they prepared, and will take a much longer period to complete. But, with enough determination, this person will complete the assignment.

As for someone who is not a Believer at the time of death, I will not say this person will complete it. You can't complete the assignment if you quit, no matter how much you prepared for it. If you quit, the run will keep going on and on and on. You will always seem to be running, but never even getting close to the finish line. Of course, in a sense I am speaking metaphorically, but in another sense, I am not. The road will just keep stretching and stretching forever. I am not talking about Hell beneath the earth. I am talking about the Lake of Fire, described in Revelation. I won't be dogmatic about the theology regarding this particular aspect of eternity.

As for people who are Believers, once they complete this "assignment", if they are indeed low-level believers, Heaven will be significantly "toned down" for them, to make up for the lesser capacity of their spirits. As they grow, the intensity of the Glory they experience will increase according to their expanded capacity. All of us will be expanding continually.

>>41987593
> says christianity isn’t built on fear

>>41988043
> don’t believe? Go straight to the Lake of Fire
Ironic

Was just in another thread where a Christian claimed Christianity doesn’t work like that.

>>41988043
In this post, I will also be very dogmatic. The Bible is the only book that can be considered written by God. There is only 1 belief system where God will ever point you to believe, and that is Christianity. Any spirit that points you to believe in a different religion, or a lack of religion, is a demon, and the ultimate desire of this kind of spirit is to deceive you into joining it in the Lake of Fire described in Revelation, in the Bible. God will only ever point you to Jesus Christ to worship in entirety, if He at all points you to worship something, which He does in every moment.

In order to ensure your place in Heaven, if you are unsure, whether you are a Believer or not, and whether you have even prayed this pray before, say this prayer out loud and mean it:

"Dear Lord Jesus, come into my heart. Forgive me of my sin. Wash me and cleanse me. Set me free. Jesus, thank you that you died for me. I believe that You are risen from the dead and that You're coming back again for me. Fill me with the Holy Spirit. Give me a passion for the lost, a hunger for the things of God, and a holy boldness to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm saved; I'm born again, I forgiven and I'm on my way to Heaven because I have Jesus in my heart."

If you prayed this, and meant it, you are completely forgiven of sin. Every day, run into the arms of God and never away from Him. You are now a low-capacity Believer, if you weren't one already, but if you are faithful to do as you ought, you will not stay that way. You will continually expand as you pray, fast, and fill yourself with God by reading and downloading His written Word into your spirit.

I hope all of you sense the same splendor about you while reading this that I do. That is the tangible pleasure of God.

Have a good night.

>>41988085
Well, they were wrong.

>>41988166
But not you. You know the truth.

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>>41975245

Yeah man, I'm tired of this world

Idk I met an angel once and now I cease to desire anything of this world. . .

It's not a gift it's a curse . . . I want it to be over

Death is natural and your suppose to fear the unknown

To known the unknown is madness and its a heavy price to pay. . .

It costs you everything

But you can't kill yourself

>>41975245
would ya shut the fuck up you fucking zoomer? most actual adults have no fear of it you retard. most adults have fucking families retard, they would protect them without a second thought if they needed to

>>41975245
Yeah, the Vertiginous Question completely abolished any worries of Death for me.

Also it completely extinguished any 'fake it till you make it, try really hard to believe something' spirituality.

The Vertiginous Question has given me a spirituality which I actually know to be true rather than try to hype myself up about to fight off doubt.

Well yeah. Are you serious? Come on, dude. Surely most people don't exactly fear Death after a certain age.

>>41975245
You haven't experienced enough pain that it seems like a preferable option, yet. That's all. Life will do that to you as you lose people.

Figure out what you want life to be about for you(you're allowed to change your mind about this) and try it.
If you try something and it sucks or didn't feel right, try something else.

>>41988189
I feel ya man

not afraid of death
afraid of becoming a dementia riddled automaton or suffering with some painful disease for a decade.
afraid of becoming like a half squashed bug jerking around but still alive for 20 years.
many things worse than death.

>>41976586
Why do so many gnostics forget about the gospel of Mary magdelene?

>>41975245
I guess that's actually a better way to be. I'm not much afraid of dying but I don't want to because hopes and dreams. If someone pulled a gun on me, sure I'd be scared but mostly because I wouldn't want to die from someone elses whimsy, not what happens 'after'

Over overcome fear of death by living life.
Most death fearers aren't truly living