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Studying torah is equivalent to making all offerings at the temple.
Charity is the same.
There is no need to sacrifice cows anymore.

If going the hindu route, they burn ghee with sometimes (but not required) some dried herbs while chanting gayatri mantras to their gods. Gayatri mantra is a prayer for wisdom, and the fire symbolizes burning away impurities.
Ghee is an animal product so it is sort of equivalent to animal sacrifice without actually having to sacrifice an animal - but it has sattvic properties rather than rajasic or tamasic.

Making bad offerings to some deities can cause backlash - so don't offer foul things, but only good smelling things. And when the Old Testament says "do not offer anything sweet in the offerings" there is probably a good reason for it.

Christians can probably burn frankincense and myrrh, but seems to edge a bit close to hoodoo withcraft territory for a lot of folks.

>>41981699
I don't practice primitive religious rituals

Bump

>>41981699
WHy should I offer God anything? He owns everythign already, doesn't He? Why should I offer anything? So God wants me offering things for Him now? This is a sign that God is a faggot. I'm always telling this. This is why the jews are the worst. Because people like you and the jews thing that you have to sacrifice things to God or offer things to God. Why? Because you are selfish. You want God to kiss your arse. You want God to give you stuff and bless you. You want material things and pleasure. You want to be in good terms with God so you offer things to Him. I hate people like you. It's because of people like you that people sacrifice things for deities. It's people like you who kill in the name of the deity. People who believe in God are the worst. Animals at least live their lifes free of superstitions and silly rituals. If they kill it's to survive, maybe for pleasure like cats, cats kill for pleasure, another sign that God is cruel. Why would anyone offer anything to God? God doesn't deserve it. You do it because you want to kiss His arse. You want divine grace over you and you kiss God's ass trying to achieve that. This is another sign that nobody really lies God. We kiss His arse because if we don't then we suffer. I prefer to suffer than to Kiss His arse. That the difference between you and me. God is the worst. People say God is all God. People are crazy. If God is good then why human suck so much? Because God also sucks very much. God is insecure.

>>41981699
>>41984864

My offering is to the living. To do good acts for those in my sphere of influence. That’s the ultimate form of spiritual practice

Nothing in this universe is separate, it only appears like that at our scale but if you zoom out until it’s all just a dot, you would acknowledge everything in the dot is part of the dot. That means you and I are both fundamentally of the same whole.

> why should I offer anything?

Because what you offer to others, you are also offering to yourself both literally and figuratively. If morality is derived from what is best for yourself, like a form of enlightened epicureanism, then it makes sense to sacrifice for others.

>>41981699
Myself, to every conscious being. Westoids can't fathom.

>>41984924
Offering food to a person in need may be cool. Offering dead animals to a deity who doesn't exist or simply doesn't care is fucking lame. What you offer to others you are also offering to yourself? Where do you got this from? What a silly thing to say, anon. That is not true. When you offer something to another person you are not offering to yourself. You are not me and I'm not you. We are not part of the same whole, but I do agree that we are sharing the same hole, sadly.

>>41984864
God explicitly says
>I do not appreciate your burnt offerings or sacrifices
Grow up son

>>41984966
The cells in your body are separate yet they make up the same body. The oxygen one blood cell carries and gives to another cell may not directly benefit the blood cell, but indirectly it absolutely does.

Your family, friend group, your neighborhood, school and community. The more you zoom out, the more indirect your influence. But within your home, would you not agree it is for your own benefit that everyone who lives there is doing well? Maybe someone there is having a bad day, you offer something to them, even if it’s the sacrifice of your time, to make their day a little better. In turn there is peace in your home and you have a stronger bond with someone that can help you when in need later on.

There’s indirect effects we don’t ever consider to calculate that absolutely come back to us.

I won’t disagree about the sacrifice to imaginary deities. There may be some pragmatism at play but yea it’s stupid.

>>41984997
Which god?

There are many gods that people worship and offerings are demanded by many.

>>41984966
>what you offer to others you are offering to yourself

In more ways than one. There’s this >>41985003

But also consider how science believes life formed on this planet. It started with simple bacterial life, single cell organisms that reproduced through self cloning. Over time as cellular complexity increased through adaption and pressures from the environment, simple life began to reproduce by combining genes. Eventually single cell organisms evolved into multicellular organisms and through a couple billion years evolution gave the planet us.

Now I don’t know anon what your beliefs are, but as far as I can tell, science says life started as one single life form cloning itself over and over again. What that implies to me is that everything alive on this planet is of the same essence. Underneath the hood we are all the same.

Furthermore, I do believe this planet is alive as in everything within our biosphere contributes to a greater organism, and I do believe that the universe itself is alive in some shape or form.

Both beliefs of which makes me and you the equivalent of cells sharing the same body. So yes I do believe that what I offer you, I also offer to myself. Even psychologically, there is truth in that. Consider how our influences shape those around us. There’s a reason pedophiles often were victims once. And again it’s not directly, but if you ever have kids you’ll agree that what’s good for them is good to you, but there’s no way of knowing what influence on people you have today could hold to eventually make its way back to affect your own children.

That’s what I mean by both figuratively and literally. Life is complex and we all exist in the same web.

>>41984997
Then why did He asked for it? lol This is another signal why God is fucking lame.

>>41985003
Oh, anon. You are so naive, my friend. This is no good. To be naive like that in this world. You see what you are saying? Do you realize what you are saying? You are giving away little signals of selfishness. You don't actually help people because you want to do what is right. You are helping them because that is a way of helping yourself! Now I get it why you said that "if you offer to others you are offering to yourself". Huh, I see it. You probably think that you are doing something positive and altruist when you offer something to another person, but you gave it away in the way you said "you are also offering to yourself". You offer things to others because this makes your life easier. By offering to others you are making sure that they will tend to help you when you need (..."and you have a stronger bond with someone that can help you when in need later on"). You are a selfish human being and you don't even realize it. You hide behind things like offering things to others, but that is just a way for you to help yourself. You are selfish. Just like God. In the end of the day the self preservation instinct alwaus talks more loudly than the rest, huh?

>>41985130
So what?

Anon. You are naive if you think you’ve ever done anything without a drop of selfishness. It’s part of our nature for a reason, you can hide from it and let it control you or embrace and direct it.

>>41985130
> In the end of the day the self preservation instinct alwaus talks more loudly than the rest, huh?

Which is exactly why deriving a natural form of benevolent morality through an unavoidable human characteristic is so powerful.

Am I suppose to be ashamed for using it for good? Is it not better to do the right thing because it helps you too than to not do the right thing? Foolishness.

>>41981699
Well from start to finish it's always important. From the environment, walking, movement, and actions until the very end it is very important. I consider it a trance in a way. I burn incense or some kind of scented oil. And light sigils or candles. I usually prepare everything properly and do chants and meditation for a certain time around 5-15 minutes. When I'm done at the end I eat everything. Usually any master I have I do it for such a Set, Thoth, or Nyarlathotep or little poltergeist girl that would visit me. And yes this is an offering not a ritual. Since in an offering you provide not viceversa.

Pagans make offering to some deity
Animal eats the offering at night
Pagan thinks it was a god that took it

>>41981699
Catholic so I offer my intentions during Mass and also request mass be offered for others. Also fasting but that's more for spiritual discipline then getting anything.

>>41985177
I was naive, yes, but not anymore. I'm selfish. I will be the very first ot admit it. But I'm not like you who comes here and tries to disguise your selfishness with an aura of holyness. If you are right, then God was only serving Himself when He gave us life. When God shared the gift of life, making us alive, He was only serving Himself. And this is another sign that God is evil. It's funny how this works. The more the people like you try to spin God in a positive light the more by your own words you signal how God is selfish in the end of the day and the only reason He gave us life it's because He was only serving Himself. Again, I was naive, but I try not to be anymore. It is time to grow up, like someone said. It's time to face the cold harsh dark reality. God was only serving Himself, that's all God does all the time. I curse God for creating me. The pot calling the kettle black kind of situation. God is evil.

>>41985204
>Am I suppose to be ashamed for using it for good? Is it not better to do the right thing because it helps you too than to not do the right thing? Foolishness.
Why are you asking me such questions? I mean, do you think I have some kidn of authority here to say to you how you should feel? I don't have that power, anon. I just have the power to question God and people like you who come here trying to pass an image of holyness, but when we stop to think about what people like you are saying you are just promoting more lies. You are asking the wrong person, anon. I'm not God. I'm not the authority here. You gotta ask those question to God. You asked "Is it not better to do the right thing because it helps you too than to not do the right thing?". But God doesn't do the right thing, anon. Do you think its OK for a person to impregante a married woman? Have in mind that this person is not the husband. I bet my ass the answer would be a big no. But God put a baby in Mary's belly and she as married. My point here is that not even God does the right thing. If the right thing is to respect marriage boundaries' God did not respect that. How can you trust that God is moral when God Himselfs acts immoral? Everyone is selfish, you are right. But peope fail to see that even God is selfish as well. Otherwise, what is He so afraid of? Why doesn't He show His face? Why does God limit us? Because He is selfish. He does not want anyone having the kind of power or authority which He has. Anon, be honest. Don't come here and say that you hel ppeople because you so good. Just say the truth, you help people because you are selfish and helping people is a way for you to help yourself because it makes you look good and feel good. Be honest. Don't try to mislead us which some kind of holy aura and stuff like that. We can see right through you.

>>41986776
The right thing would be to kill all human beings. God sacrifices an innocent man so a race of sinful people can live. Is this not morally evil? An innocent had to die so a bunch of sinners will live? This is the ultimate signal of how God is not fair. Jesus did not want to die, he asked God to pass that cup from him, but because Jesus wanted to be a good son or whatever he accepted, so the story goes, it doesn't mean it is true. But my point here is that God did not do the objectively right thing to do which would be to kill all the sinners and never make an innocent man pay for the crimes of sinners. This was not fair. How come people say that God is fair? This is the ultimate signal of how God put an innocent to die so sinful men could live. And God did abandon Jesus. When Jesus was on the cross dying God did abandon him. Jesus cried "why have thou forsaken me?". I tell you why, because God knew He fucked up. God could not stand Jesus nailed on that cross because it was the biggest signal of how much He fucked up. My point here is that talking about morality and what is right and the correct thing to do falls flat. God himself is not fair at all. An innocent died. Where is teh fairness is all of this? If God was fair an innocent would never pay for the crimes of those who are trully guilty.

>>41981699
Wanted to post this somewhere. If you're Buddhist you should reach a level of meditation where you're unable to fathom meditating if you're eating meat. It should literally not make sense, to meditate on compassion while digesting animals

I'm stagnating a great deal because of this

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>>41986797
You’re arguing against a caricature you projected onto me.

I never invoked the biblical God. I never defended Christianity. I never claimed holiness. I don’t believe in your Abrahamic God, and I don’t believe in “evil” in the divine-command sense. That requires an ultimate moral authority, and I don’t think one exists.

You asked why I asked if I should be ashamed. Because you were clearly trying to shame me.

You say I only help because it benefits me.

Yes. So what?

There is a difference between exploiting others for gain and recognizing that mutual wellbeing improves your own life. I’m not manipulating people so they owe me. I’m acknowledging that stable relationships and cooperative systems benefit everyone involved including me.

You accuse me of promoting lies. What lie?

I’ve openly admitted self-preservation exists. I use it. I direct it toward benevolence instead of harm.

If humans are like cells in a larger organism and I believe life is fundamentally unified then I could argue that helping others isn’t even psychologically experienced as selfish. It’s closer to your left hand helping your right hand. Calling that “selfish” misses the point entirely.

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>>41987248
You avoided my question, so I’ll answer it directly. Yes, it is better to help someone even if you benefit than to not help them at all. The presence of self-interest does not invalidate moral goodness.

Even in virtue ethics (think Aristotle), living virtuously leads to flourishing (eudaimonia). Being good benefits you. The most stable form of morality is the one that aligns personal benefit with collective good because if morality requires you to constantly act against your nature, it collapses.

You say you’re no longer naive. But do you really believe morality only counts if it is completely selfless?

If an action benefits you in any way, does that erase its moral value?

If so, then almost no action qualifies because even the feeling that something is “right” is itself a psychological benefit.

Pure selflessness, stripped of all internal reward, is almost impossible. That doesn’t make morality meaningless.

And no, it’s not okay to impregnate someone else’s spouse. But dragging theology into a discussion that was never about the biblical God is exactly why this conversation went off the rails.

> The right thing would be to kill all human beings

If your conclusion is that the right thing is human extinction, then our moral premises are fundamentally incompatible.

>>41986860
Since when does Buddhism = veganism?

So many people on this board have been failed by the education system. Wow

>>41985130
How is that any different than making offerings to a diety for favor? Or following the commandments of a tyrant god so that you aren’t damned to eternal torment?

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