God is perfection.God is everything.God is love.There is no punishment, only love and guidance.To reject reality --saying “this should not happen” or “I know better”-- is to reject God, an act of hubris and childish arrogance. In that light, everything that exists is perfect in itself, including our pain and discomfort and the pain and discomfort of others. These only becomes suffering when we resist reality and say "this should not be happening (to me)". My post, however, is not on our suffering, but on that of the others.Human nature, upbringing, or social conditioning seems to compel us to care for others, to act, judge, or intervene, which appears to contradict the acceptance of reality and God’s perfection. This conflict often arises when witnessing the consequences of a loved one’s choices, where we face the dilemma of whether to intervene --bearing the cost or discomfort ourselves, at any level-- or to let events unfold. Often we act not because we want to, but because we have been taught it is the right thing to do. But is it really?How do we reconcile the urge to act with the understanding that everything, even misfortune and pain, exists as it should?
Was it God rejecting himself when he said let there be light?
>>41987688Light and dark are both encompassed in God. So the act of creation, or the expression “let there be light,” is not a rejection or subtraction from the whole (it is impossible to reduce or increase God). There is no duality in God.
>>41987759Evil does not come from God.
>I know better than God
>>41987679>God is perfection. God is everything. God is love.Is god all these things because those things inform god or are those things good because that’s the nature of god?> There is no punishment, only love and guidance.Ridiculousness. We face eternal punishment over believing in something or not.
>>41987759The point I was trying to make is that there was a desire to create, to express.That core desire resides in us, and therefore wanting something to change is what allows all of this to be.
>>41987820The Divine Judgement is based upon Higher Ethics, God does not demand belief in a manipulative cult.
>>41987832The scribes have recorded all that you have done. You will answer for it.
>>41987783> "Evil"There is no such thing as "evil". What we call evil is simply action divorced from wisdom or understanding. Misguided people do misguided things.This, of course, does not excuse them from the consequences of their actions, nor does it make their actions any less wrong. I am simply pointing out that "evil" is a human concept. The impulse to label parts of God as “evil” arises from our limited, dualistic perspective, not from any flaw in reality itself.So, yes, technically you are right: "Evil" is not from God, because it simply does not exist in nature. It is just a human mental construct, no more "real" than "goobaddigook".
>>41987841There is certainly Evil, and it consistently attempts to deceive people as to its Nature and Origin. Good does not deny that Evil exists, but Evil surely does.
>>41987820>We face eternal punishment over believing in something or not.
>>41987841The scales of judgement, you will note, are exclusively dualistic. The heart is either heavier than the feather or it is lighter than the feather. This is how things are measured.
>>41987851Pure nonsense. And you are not refuting anything that was claimed. Fitting name, "LUCIFER", muddying the waters to keep people in a hell state.
>>41987679Non intervention rule is just a lazy excuse for inaction. Your very thought of wanting to help is gods design dipshits. Ignoring it would be aiding evil.
This post fulfills my joy. If anything, it is a sign that my mission was not in vain. Even if it hasn't come to fruition fully. I will meet you one day OP, and together we will experience God's joy.
>>41987864Not at all. You're simply Evil, as I implied, so the contrary of what you have conjectured is nearer to the truth.
>>41987866> "evil"Please refer to:>>41987841>Non intervention rule is just a lazy excuse for inactionI did not realize action by default is a virtue. If you read the OP, it claims that more often than not, the thought of altruism arises from indoctrination or not being aware.
>>41987889Compassion is the root of Morality. You are not aware of the higher truths, but think yourself superior, like the other predators. You are Evil.
What the Evil creatures did not know was that there was an Evil God, and they were enslaved. That is an occult secret.
>>41987873Lucifer having a mental breakdown. Her entire identity turns out to be based not on metaphysics, but on a mental fart and makeup. “Evil” - topkek.
>>41987893Compassion does not require action. I can withhold money from a junkie out of compassion, and wish that he learns to knows right from wrong, without feeling obliged to feed him or invite him into my home at the risk of endangering my family or myself. That said, I will not consider this person "bad" or "evil", even if he resorts to theft or murder to feed his habit (which is to stop anxiety and suffering - caused by lack of wisdom). These are misguided people, not evil.
>>41987826I do not agree. You are suggesting that no action/event occurs without desire, which is not true. You are also equating God’s process with the human process, which is completely inaccurate.
>>41987679You keep focusing on the negative and the reaction to it. The idea that reacting to negativity and wanting to change it is bad as it rejects god's plan. But are you not already reacting and changing things? Why are your actions and existence somehow not part of gods perfect plan? At what point do your choices and gods choices not align? You likely work and do what's needed to keep yourself and your family alive, you exist and make choices every day and every moment. But those were your choices right? Or were they gods? How do you know? You don't just sit around and let everything around you occur. You exist in the world like all of us. You're deciding and acting, even if its the decision to accept negative things as still being apart of gods plan. This idea that you're just this amazing accepting man that loves every fiber of the world but also does absolutely nothing as everything is already perfect is wrong as every day you are already doing things. And those things you are trying to do with the greatest regard to god. You are IN the world and apart of gods plan.The dilemma is that we exist with free will. To execute no will is to not eat, sleep or move and just die. But to execute will you need to do so with the never-ending dilemma of am I acting with or against god? And I don't think there's anyway you can 100% know that answer in life. So to intervene or not can really just be as much of apart of it or not apart of the perfect gods plan, you simply can't know for certain. We in ever moment we can never know if our actions are truly 100% aligned with god, but it doesn't stop us from making them anyway.
>>41987679An interesting caveat to this is does the person who perceives themselves as having secret visions/enlightenment/grandiose thinking even want to reconcile this urge to form things to their reality if they truly believe the things they’ve personally experienced that have changed their reality? I feel like the situation you’re describing would be most strongly applicable to this kind of person specifically…And I suppose in that case the individual would view themselves as understanding spirituality deeper than the binaural fashion you describe.What logical sense would it make for that person to wholly disregard their own personal experience? What if they believe it is in fact divine intervention from the Lord himself?LOGICALLY… this thinking breeds a mind frame of at the very least some unfulfillment
>>41987856Says your denomination. The one true one right?
>>41987839Oh. Where in the bible is this or is this your own personal blend?
>>41987910I feel like this is pretty standard for her.
>>41987679Take God completely out of the equation and just be a good person and mind your business. Is it really that deep? -saying “this should not happen” or “I know better”-- is to reject God, an act of hubris and childish arrogance?? Who the hell told you that? Be a good person, don't tryda tell people what they should do or believe. Lead by example. You can't tell people what to think. Even I've had to learn that in life. I used to be like that when I was younger but you just can't. You gotta be the change, not tryda force a change on someone else. But you're right. Everything in life, even the bad shit is something you planned or agreed to go through before you were even born. You reconcile that by not judging what you go thru in life and just being happy with who you are. Going with the flow yet creating your own reality. You gotta find the balance in that.
>>41987806You Are God.
>>41987851Evil is a religious term and only makes sense if there’s divine authority over morality. So when you say:> Good does not deny that Evil exists, but Evil surely does.You’re saying unless I join your cult, I’m evil. Sounds pretty extreme for such a good person to say.
>>41988069> Take God completely out of the equationHow convenient, spoken like a true materialist / pseudo-spiritualist.> to reject God, an act of hubris [...] Who the hell told you thatOh boy. Not much of a reader/ponderer, are you?> You gotta be the change, not tryda force a change on someone else.Did you feel like the OP was attempting to convert you and tell you how to live your life? Calm down.> You can't tell people what to think.Seriously, have you even read the OP? Are you a woman?> You gotta be the change, not tryda force a change on someone else.What are you smoking?! Is this one of your episodes?> Everything in life, even the bad shit is something you planned or agreed to go through before you were even born.Okay, now I know that you are woman.Interestingly, you failed to address the original question, but kudos for spending your time here instead on TikTok. Eat, pray, love and sheeet. You go girl!
>>41987996> person who perceives themselves as secret visions/enlightenment/grandiose thinking> in that case the individual would view themselves as understanding spirituality deeper than the binaural fashion you describe.Shots fired> to wholly disregard their own personal experience?Except there is no suggestion of this in the OP
>>41987989Your entire post frames the issue as a choice between two extremes:> execute no will at all - and die> be paralyzed by dilemmaThis is a very different question from the one in the original post, which asks how to resolve the tension when witnessing discomfort and pain in others’ lives -whether to let it unfold or intervene under the guise of “care” and becoming a “savior”.Your post completely ignores a third option, because you feel it is not possible, "simply can't know":> execute will without dilemma
>>41987893I thought god was the root of your morality? I know you on this board and you clearly are not a compassionate person in your actions.
>>41988208>be paralyzed by dilemmaI never implied that at all. I was simply trying to state that the dilemma is always there in every single thing we do, if you aren't overcoming it then you're not alive. So however you exist which gets you through it, just keep doing that. There's no difference between the choice of deciding your day to day actions and deciding to or not to help someone, from the perspective of which decision is the more 'godly' one.In other words you already know how to deal with this as you do it every day. I didn't list a third option there's so many possible ones that you could be thinking of. If you think that the two scenarios warrant the same mentality in your choice to deal with them then how could you even claiming they're all perfect? Why should one decision be different then the other? Its all gods plan.
>>41987679> understanding that everything, even misfortune and pain, exists as it should?>human nature or environment compels us to act>everything exists as it shouldSo human nature exists as it should. That is to say, if you don’t act upon your urges or “childish arrogance” you are acting against god plan. If you feel compelled to act and you where created by god and his perfect plan it means that your action is the right thing to do.>”but we have been taught it is the right thing”If you decide to act or not it has already been decided.If you where taught to act on a certain manner it only means that god planned humans to teach that for you.Why you “accept” god perfection but separates humans like they where not part of god creation? To accept god perfection is also to accept human nature, as it exists as it should.If you choose to take action or not is irrelevant as you exist as you should.
>>41987679God foresaw whatever you would choose to do, therefore, choose without regard for his plan, as it is already planned for you to do it.
>>41987679>God is perfection.No he ain't.
>>41987841Shut the fuck up, Evil.
>>41988321>>41988778>>41988785I was expecting too much from this board
>>41988268Absolutely cringe take. So confident, so arrogant, yet so clueless.
>>41987679what do you mean theres no punishment? what about hell?
>>41987864Something like this!
>>41987679The whole material realm exists for the limited, dependent souls to go "I want to pretend to be the independent center of existence. I want to be the one to judge everything and say what is correct."When we truly accept that everything is exactly as it is supposed to be, we will be again with God in spiritual existence.oṁ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaṁpūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyatepūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāyapūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate>The Supreme is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.īśāvāsyam idaḿ sarvaṁyat kiñca jagatyāṁ jagattena tyaktena bhuñjīthāmā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam>Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.
>>41987679In my experience it's not an either or dilemma, there's not a neat "if x then y" equation you can rely on especially when it comes to the lives of others.I usually try to be cautious about what part of someone else's situation i become a part of and how i appear within it because you could become maligned if you show up as the "hey this thing you haven't be able to do that you know you should, just like do it lol", better to just be vaguely there for them in a positive encouraging manner and if there's room for it or if the timing is right to be instrumental in change rather than the instigator and the one insisting on the change.The world can speak to you in a myriad of ways, if you desire to be instrumental is your choice. It's worth reflecting on why you would want to be, if your intentions are true, if you need to "fix" someone before you can accept or love them then perhaps it's better to leave them be for the time being.One thing is what you could do, another is what awareness of these issues and bringing your attention to these perceived problems does to your internal experience.When you get entangled in other people's situations, to some degree it becomes about you too, this is complicated stuff right but trying to understand everything in advance to decide the best course of action is volitional. You could just act, live in a manner where you're at peace with who you are in the world (at least with your intentions, not choosing how other people will see it) and just relax.TLDRYou don't have to force yourself to intervene or feel bad if you do or don't, but if you do, try to keep in mind that they're seeing the world through different eyes.
>>41988069>just be a good person... Is it really that deep?Well yes. Humans have been asking what it means to be a good person for as long as they can remember asking questions.For instance.>don't tryda tell people what they should do or believe.You mean like telling someone to be a good person? Isnt that telling someone what to do or believe?If you dont tell people, are you oka with THEM interpreting what your "lead" means, and getting everyone to believe something you dont?Remember - you dont want to tell them what to believe - so you would have to be okay with them completely misunderstanding your leadership.>You gotta be the change, not tryda force a change on someone else. How do you change the world without changing the world for someone else?>just being happy with who you are. Going with the flow yet creating your own reality.Including rapists?These questions are hard to answer, unless you let something like a religion or a society tell you the answers. that's FINE, but recognize that others might not want such an out.
