thoughs on dvaita vedanta?
>>41996652Doesnt afraid of anything, but I prefer the synthesis schools like visishtadvaita.
for me, it's bhakti vedanta
>>41996652> Advaita Vedantais the real moksha ( or salvation for christian or christ consioussness seen from outside ).Stay in that state until you die physicaly.
>>41996652i don't trust any spiritual "insight" coming from brown people
>>41996652stay away from vagina dentata
>>41997597Advaita is just a whiny appeal to Buddhists that the Vedas are totally legit and you can have your void but this time is pure white instead of pure black.
Dvaita MUST be true, or else Advaita is false.
>>41999468>>41999463>>41999456>>41999399>>4199939DUALISTS GET BTFO
If your religion isn't intercosmic don't talk.
Octagram = Canonical Hindu Symbol
>just ask for thoughts on dvaita>advaitin goes crazy and floods the threadLike a Christian, they are scared of people asking questions.
>>41996652junk
>>41999113buddhism is a retarded religion to pacify slaves
Basically, there's savikalpa, nirvikalpa and sahaja samadhi. Savikalpa and nirvikalpa are temporary. Sahaja is more or less nirvikalpa without return or interruption. In savikalpa there is still a trace of the knower-knowing-known (and thus duality) while that triad is non-existent in nirvikalpa. The mind in savikalpa may be extremely purified and one-pointed but there is still a witness experiencing something. One in nirvikalpa finds that actions and words occur spontaneously without effort, so if he tells you it's dual or non-dual - that's Brahman expressing the inexpressible through limitation. What tends to happen though is someone temporarily experiences one of these states then his vasanas pull him back out and reform as the ego. Then he is again speaking from ignorance rather than truth. But it also depends on tradition because some treat samadhi as though you're stuck sitting there absorbed in meditation. One in nirvikalpa samadhi isn't stuck inactive in a seat, you'll still see their bodies behaving like normal. In some cases the dvaita and advaita vedantins may be describing the same thing. It's best not to get too caught up in the philosophy but to know it directly without mediation because ultimately they're describing something beyond the mind using the limited mind.
>>41996692Hol up, you posted Madhvacarya the staunchest dualist. Didnt you mean Vishnuswami?
>>42000652No. Thread asked what I thought of Dvaita Vedanta, so I posted Madhva.
The most enlightened being is the stone.The pebble has no thoughts, no desires, does not consume food, does not experience pain or pleasure.
>>41996652Gay as fuck.
>>42003995I am a fool. I misread your words and thought you were asking about Advaita Vedanta. Dvaita is absolutely based. My sincere apologies, anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK01a94dRPQ
>>41996692It's a myth that Viśiṣṭādvaita is a synthesis school. It predates Tattvavāda and was the first push-back against the evils of Advaita Vedānta.
>>41999343The eye can only see itself in a reflection. A finger cannot touch its own tip and a sword cannot cut itself. Advaita Vedānta is silliness for overly emotional people, who flee from their own personhood
Check out Robert Bolton's The One and the Many: A Defense of Theistic Religion. Absolutely life-changing book.
>>42004008Timing is irrelevant. Visishta is a synthesis school because of the philosophy, not because of some attempt to merge different philosophies.
>>42004254Viśiṣṭādvaita is often mischaracterized as a "middle ground" between Advaita and Dvaita, but that framing collapses the actual logic of the system.The “Advaita–Viśiṣṭādvaita–Dvaita” spectrum is a modern textbook simplification.Rāmānuja’s interpretive method is built on the Mīmāṃsā hermeneutic tradition, the Śrī Vaiṣṇava āgamas, and a specific reading of the Upaniṣads that emphasizes samanvaya (coherent integration).He is arguing that Advaita misreads the śruti and that his own reading is the correct Vedic one.Viśiṣṭādvaita's concept of “difference” is unique.Dvaita says difference is absolute. Advaita says difference is ultimately unreal.Viśiṣṭādvaita says: difference is real, but it is dependent difference—the difference of a mode or attribute from its substance.This is a third category that neither Advaita nor Dvaita uses. It’s not a midpoint; it’s a different ontology.Viśiṣṭādvaita rejects the core premises of the other two systems. A synthesis would preserve the essential claims of both. Viśiṣṭādvaita does the opposite.It rejects Advaita’s idea that the world and individual selves are ultimately unreal or illusory. It rejects Dvaita’s idea that the difference between God, souls, and matter is absolute and unbridgeable.Instead, it asserts a body–soul relationship between the universe and Brahman. This is not found in either Advaita or Dvaita.
>>42004825>It’s not a midpoint; it’s a different ontology.Agreed.If "synthesis" bothers you semantically, then fine.You may continue to argue if you want to be so mad.I shall continue to explain and follow and advance.
https://youtu.be/_WsPZC1-TLo
>>42004910Viśiṣṭādvaita is amazing. I just don't like when people misrepresent it.
SHOW BOBS AND VAGANA I LOVE YOU
my favourite advaita text is the Ashtavakra Gitahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXmZ8BORhx4listen to it while abiding as the Self
>>42002053Ok then. My bad
>>42004999It is truly unfortunate that such inspiration can ojnly come about from antagonism and ego.What single word would you use to describe the three schools of vedanta, since this can so easily disturb your peace?
>>41996652Looks weird and gay
And the silence is why you and I both know "synthesis" is the best word to communicate.
>>42004039How did this change your life
>>42009463It's one of the most validating books I've ever read.
>>42006164Anger is neutral. In real Vedanta, there's a real, transcendent ego from which purified anger flows. An ego which is completely separate from the constructions of the "I maker" principle. There's a real self behind the false one. There's an anger that leads not to degradation but to liberation.I wouldn't describe multiple schools with one word. And there are more than three schools of Vedanta, including real synthesis schools, that bring together the best of what came before them.I appreciate your performative sadhu schtick.
>>42009896https://annas-archive.li/md5/bd70f835dade69ca48fac39a419fdb4d
Gay brown shiteating bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkfgb5M9Z-I
>>41996652Saar kindly get the fuck off my website with your demonic shit eating faggot entities.
>>42004039https://www.themathesontrust.org/papers/comparativereligion/sw17_bolton-upton.pdf
>>42010024>>42010063>ooga booga i am better than indians.stop spamming like a negro then
Indians aren't Blue!
>>42009797What did it validate? Your preexisting beliefs?
>>42010639Experience.
>>42009820>Anger is neutral.You werent angry, and I didnt say anger. The mark of a bruised and defensive ego.>including real synthesis schoolsAhh.Again - you agree with me.I appreciate you as weell.I just wish your glorification of Vedanta didnt require you to be poked in the eye.But Krishna makes all types.
>>42009797How did VALIDATION make your life CHANGE??Are you just saying words?Why would you change anything in your life if the book was so validating?
>>42011008There were real synthesis schools after Madhva, but not before. You speak with a forked tongue and in a way that’s more about appearance than substance.
>>42011020First, you experience something very profound, but you lack the words to express it. Afterwards, you begin to be able to talk about it. That's huge.
>>42011043Time is irrelevant. The philosophies are eternal, do you not see that?You still want to attack and insult more than glorify.
>>42011059Profundity is not necessarily validating nor changing.So the "life changing" was just your lexicon increased?The "validation" was....what?
>>42011066Rāmānuja set the stage for Madhvāchārya. He began to break the spell that Śaṅkarācārya had cast over people's hearts and minds. This is extremely valuable. Madhvāchārya further built on the foundational work that Rāmānuja started.
>>42011073The validation was in seeing someone clearly demolish the monistic conception of God, and many of the clichés that go with it.
>>42011093So you really cant? That makes me feel sad, but it explains a lot.
>>42011101>it refutes monismTHERE ya go. I swear it's like pulling teeth with you people.Why did it take an hour or so and multiple posts to get you to give such a simple answer?
>>42011115The philosophies appear within time in a particular sequence for a reason.
>>42011120Because this is a Dvaita thread, because of the book title, and because the table of contents in the picrel makes it clear and obvious what the book is doing. But I don't mind spoon feeding you.
>>42011135Not for any reason within the philosophy. That is a material concession.
>>42011145>Because this is a Dvaita threadYou're blaming the thread for why it took multiple posts for you to figure out what you meant? lol>But I don't mind spoon feeding you.CLEARLY you do, since it was so hard for you.
>>42011149Precisely for reasons found within all three school of thought. They demonstrate a gradual reawakening and healing.
>>42011154I assumed you understood the obvious. But I'm okay with making it explicit for you.
>>42011164>all threeMore than three.>They demonstrate a gradual reawakening and healing.That's what I said. It is a material concession.You just really want to be contentious, dont you?
why is it so crooked
>>42011172Dude, anon asked you about the book you said it was life changing.They asked for a specific example you said it was validating - an opposing reaction.I noticed and pointed out the contradiction and you said it was profound.You didnt know what the fuck you were saying, and it took embarrassment for you to finally get your thoughts together.You're fun. I like getting you upset.
>>41996701If you are not literally Indian, how can you post this meme without shame?
>>42011180Sure, more than three. But those three are a part of the process. The salvation of humanity is not a material thing. But the materially-conditioned mind sometimes cannot take a huge leap from one paradigm to another and has to be given one or more transitional forms.
>>42011186Don't be embarrassed that you missed the obvious.
>>42011193>But those three are a part of the process.And the others not those three are nothing?and only one process? You think everyone has to go through each philosophy?And you said not just one word, now you can lump it all under a single process?>The salvation of humanity is not a material thing.You think you are human? And need saving?Or are you saying the material condition of "human" can be removed and is somehow existing against Krishna's Will?>But the materially-conditioned mind sometimes cannot take a huge leap from one paradigm to another and has to be given one or more transitional forms.....so a concession?You are saying it's a material concession?Do you literally bleed if you agree with me?
>>42011197Lol, just take a loss.>it was life changing!>what changed>nothing, everything was validated!>what was validated?>the profundity!!!!lol
>>42011203I personally think that the later schools are more sophisticated and profound than what Madhvācārya and Rāmānuja presented. But what those two giants did is so huge that I don't want to make it seem like I'm casting shade. Everything from Rāmānuja onwards is sufficient for salvation and is true in ways that Advaita just isn't. The differences, though meaningful, are more a question of love, relationship, and angle of vision.
>>42011213It's a fantastic book. I highly recommend it to you and any thoughtful person.
>>42011228Some glorification.>>42011229And some humility.Truly you do so much better when you arent mad and lashing out.I really wish you could inspire yourself to do such, instead of needing to be goaded.But that IS why He sometimes holds the goad.
>>42011234You’re striking a pose instead of being genuine.
>>42011244And I always will, now that I see what it takes to get your proper reactions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I4Y6J8WALM
https://www.tatvavada.org/eng/
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>>41996701for me, its tikka masala
And to think, all this because I had to draw out the fact that visishtadvaita is a synthesis school, as described here:> those three are a part of the process.>has to be given one or more transitional forms.
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>>42013323https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqOE33VQUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZL6_RTuPFMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2aJJPanXYghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2aJJPanXYghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PDsamFmLk
It's quite hilarious that the only person who appreciated this thread, OP hates with an extreme passion because OP had to admit they were right several times.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kZpCzCSK0bI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69GBinnghUs
My sincere thanks to whoever started this thread.
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>>41996652They're building Babylon and interpret Satan as a savior, part of the order out of chaos faction that is actually aiding jesuits in combining all the world religions under the Catholics, notice how Biden fucks everything up intentionally day one? Like he's trying to crash the economy? Then Trump undoes SOME of it, including things that don't actually systemically matter.Yeah they leapfrog each other and play good cop bad cop, but they're still moving society toward an authoritarian cult government that worships Satan blatantly in the end.It will fail, because the antichrist (doing the same order out of chaos shit) will absorb their system and destroy anyone who resists, appearing to be the good guy.The mystery religion is only helping Judaism until it builds the temple, the moment the kikes realize their messiah isn't the messiah and that they killed Christ 2,000 years ago is when shit gets nightmare bad. God's wrath immediately comes down after the antichrist desecrates the judaistic temple. Because the world is openly worshipping Satan and that's the final straw for God.The mystery religion shit is just all world religions combined into one, this is spiritual adultery, and it's warned about with the letter to the church of thyratira, god threatens the people who haven't accepted the gospel within that church with going into the tribulation, because the paganistic traditions of men crept in with the judaizers that try to get you to follow the law to be saved, when no one can.The cabal will most likely sell the lie that aliens took everyone in the rapture, and that's how they'll finalize their government before the antichrist takes the stage at the UN. The recent "drone" shit is a prep psyop for this, and it's the mother of all psyops that's been running for at least 100 years, since war of the worlds was first broadcast.Believe the gospel, it's just accepting it as fact, that's how you go to heaven
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XvvI_Z0LgN0https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8yQqAqw_YXY
>>42022775I love the picrel. An eye can only see itself reflected in something else. A sword cannot cut itself and a finger cannot touch its own tip.
>>42023100The base knuckle of a finger cam touch the tip.Perhaps you are inflexible.And a whip sword can cut itself.
>>41996652shitty aislop image cant even put the ankles properly up on top of the thighs
>>41996652scam
>>41999113>Advaita is just a whiny appeal to BuddhistsNo? Im not even an advaita vadin but from its very conception advaita sought to uproot the buddhist religion from bharata. Didnt you know they were fiercelly against eachother? Never ever heard of Kumarila Bhatta and his camapign against buddhists? And the buddhists werent exactly pacifists either. Fucking threw him off a cliff but he survived
>>42024653>from its very conception advaita sought to uproot the buddhist religion from bharataYes. By re-establisahing the validity of the Vedas.This was all done by essentially re-packaging Buddhist monism as being taught by the Vedas.
>>41996701>bhaktiYeah, adoration is where it's at. I created my own sort of tantric rituals for this and had great success. Don't forget to mix in a bit of dyana yoga and karma yoga (selfless service) for good measure.
>>42025506I'm ignorant of advaita but practice Buddhism. What's the Buddhist monism that made its way into later Hinduism? You're saying there's an outflow from Buddhism to advaita vedanta? Could you please educate me on this, I am willing to learn. Also if there's anything other than "monism," which I do not recognize thus far, I'd like to know. All I know of Hinduism is the Bhagavad-Gita, and its Krishna-Brahman monism is very precious to me (i.e. monotheism)
>>42025506>re packaging buddhist monism as*Sigh* Nigga that would be like saying, Christ re packaged pharisean leaven to...What are you aiming at? To prove some sort of buddhist supremacy? Same buddhism that was originally a subvertion of veda? Im familiar with the teachings of the upanishad. But buddhist idea is not monism. At least not theistically. Its empty ism
>>42025771Isn't it safest to say Buddha is an Avatar of Vishnu? Why make disputations? Call it emptiness if you like.
>>42025759>What's the Buddhist monism that made its way into later Hinduism?Advaita. That's what Advaita means. Not two. One. Monism.>You're saying there's an outflow from Buddhism to advaita vedanta?I'm saying the region had mostly rejected the validity of the Vedas, and Adi brought them back by appealing to the current understanding.>Also if there's anything other than "monism," which I do not recognize thus far, I'd like to know.You mean like the whole thread?>>42025771>Christ re packaged pharisean leavenSort of, but He didnt have the extra steps. the whole "I came not to break law but fulfill it." The pharisee had "taken control" of God's word and corrupted it to their own exploitation. As the brahmins had done with the Vedas.Jesus broke their control, and re-established understanding in one swoop.In India, the path had more steps. The process you mentioned before, though you keep desperately wanting to disagree with me.>At least not theistically. Its empty ismAgreed.And Advaita went "no no, not a big empty blackness, but a big full whiteness.">What are you aiming at? To prove some sort of buddhist supremacy?lol, of course not.
>>42025797The budha avatar of Vishnu appeared four thousand years ago, not 600 bcBut yeah, sidhartha gautama did fulfill the decrying of the Veda
>>42025867You're so insulting, tsk tsk
>>42025881Note my wording. I asked for your wisdom. I know you have it. But you'd rather throw insults than educate people.
>>42025884Yes, goading has been very effective this thread.Which question did I not answer?
>>42025906What is Buddhist monism? And are you explicitly saying that some Buddhist teaching(s) made their way into advaita vedanta, and if so, which ones?
>>42025935>What is Buddhist monism?That all things are relational and ultimately empty.>made their wayWhat do you mean by made their way?I said the region had mostly rejected the validity of the Vedas, and Adi brought them back by appealing to the current understanding.
>>42025959Okay I'm wondering if what you mean is that the common Buddhist understanding was appealed to when advaita made headways in those regions?On the other point, are you suggesting emptiness is the Monad (in Buddhism)?
>>42025970>the common Buddhist understanding was appealed to when advaita made headways in those regions?Yes, thought not in a sychophantic way. It wasnt "hey Buddhists, you are right and the Vedas say so." It was "Buddhists say the Vedas are wrong for these facts/musings/conclusions, but the Vedas agree with those, and the Buddhist arguments are still refuted.">are you suggesting emptiness is the Monad (in Buddhism)?I dont think any Buddhist would agree with that conceptualization, and would try to remove the very notion of singleness as well, but yes.
>>42026029Oh I thought you were saying "Buddhist monism" was appealed to and adopted by advaita vedanta. Are you sure it's not this strong claim you're making?
I'll just ask Gemini. Meditate on that
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tnkhBjePAxQhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/VcALULd-TxUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0kkFh0orDg
>>42026079Ok the AI (very sad) says Buddhist non-dualism was assimilated into Vedanta conception of a non-dual Brahman. I think your error was to gloss the Buddhist influence as "monist" due to your conception of Brahman as One. But the actual influence was from Buddhist arguments of non-dualism and not-that. Thanks anyway. Please learn to teach. It's very rare anyone says anything that can influence me, but you failed to teach, and I think that's the whole point, I had to ask Grok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TouvpYAGkcE
>>42026037>Buddhist monism" was appealed to and adopted by advaita vedanta.Yes. Advaita used monism as an end run around Buddhist arguments to defeat them and reestablish the Vedas.>>42026114>your conception of Brahman as OneWhat, exactly, do you think my conception is?Because this is a very limited and ineffective understanding of Brahman.>Buddhist arguments of non-dualismSo...monism.Oh you are OP and get autistic on your version of annotations.That makes everything align.>It's very rare anyone says anything that can influence meYes, as I said goading you has been incredibly effective.Though it always seems to end up with you having to agree with me.You can go.back to spamming your pics I til I need to explain it some more.
>>41998444If you follow Abrahamic faiths, I have bad news for you.
>>41999355
For me 2026 be like...
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>>41996652It's good.
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Is Abhinavagupta too non-dual/monist for you Dvaita Vedanta nerds?I personally dont like advaita vedanta or any form of vedanta school (besides Avadhuta Gita/Avadhuta sect).
