WELCOME TO /hellenism/Worship the Theoi, debate philosophy, discuss rites, and dive deep into Platonism & the mystical traditions of Antiquity.This general covers:>Hellenic Polytheism / Classical cult practice; Modern reconstruction & devotional work; Neoplatonism, Platonism, and philosophical theology; Mystery religions: Eleusinian Mysteries, Dionysian rites, Orphism; Theurgy, mystical practice, and esoteric Hellenism; Gods, daimones, heroes, and the Unknown God; History, syncretism, and revivalist approachesCore Topics— Platonism & Neoplatonism>Plotinus’ hierarchy: The One Intellect Soul.>How does contemplation of the One fit into devotional practice?>Ethical living, virtue, and mystical ascent in a modern context.— Theurgy & Mystical Practice>Iamblichus & Proclus: ritual as communion with the divine.>How do you integrate theurgy with worship of the Gods?>Mystical techniques: chanting, visualization, meditation, sacred geometry.— Mystery Religions>Eleusinian Mysteries: Initiation, the journey of the soul, secrecy.>Dionysian Mysteries: Ecstasy, trance, symbolic death and rebirth.>Orphism: purification, the soul’s cycle, and divine knowledge.— Hermeticism & Hellenistic Magic>Hermetic Corpus: divine mind, cosmic correspondences, alchemy of the soul.>Relationship with Neoplatonism and ritual practice.>Practical Hermetic exercises and philosophical integration.>The role of daimones, personal tutelary spirits, and higher intelligences— History & Revival>Julian the Philosopher & late antique polytheism>Modern Hellenismos: reconstruction vs esoteric reinterpretation
FAQ>What is Hellenism / Hellenic Polytheism?Worship of the ancient Greek gods (Olympians, chthonic deities, heroes, daimones) using rituals, altars, and festivals. Modern “Hellenismos” often combines devotion with study of philosophy and classical sources.>Is it just “paganism”?Not really. “Pagan” is a Christian term. Hellenism is a living revivalist religion rooted in historical Greek practice.>What is Neoplatonism and why is it relevant?A philosophical system from Plotinus Proclus that explains the cosmos as emanations from “The One.” It influenced late antique Hellenism, theurgy, and esoteric thought. Devotees often integrate contemplation of the One with ritual worship of gods.>What is theurgy?Ritual practice aimed at invoking or communing with divine intelligences.>How do I start practicing?Build a small altar for gods you feel drawn to, offer prayers, incense, libations, or simple daily rituals, study classical sources (Homer, Hesiod, Plutarch, Neoplatonists), start philosophical contemplation and meditation alongside ritual.Resourceshttps://baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/p/the-beginners-guide-to-hellenismos.htmlhttps://hellenicfaith.com/julian-hellenism/https://www.hellenicgods.org/https://www.theoi.com/https://hellenicfaith.com/books-links-and-resources/https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomericHymns1.html - Homeric Hymnshttps://www.theoi.com/Text/CallimachusHymns1.html - Hymns by Callimachushttps://www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymns1.html - Orphic Hymnshttps://www.giornopaganomemoria.it/plethonhymns.html# - Hymns by PlethonOrganizationshttps://tradizioneromana.org/english-version.html - Pietas Comunità Gentilehttps://www.ysee.gr/index-english.html - SUPREME COUNCIL OF ETHNIKOI HELLENES
Article the image came from, not sure if the artist or not...https://richardgwyn.me/2011/07/12/dionysus-and-the-doors/
priase the gods. may the sun shine on us all and leep the dark out.
>>42005815Yes indeed, my friend! Hail Helios!
>>42004958You give neoplatonism too little credit. Neoplatonism is why islam and the kabbalah exist
>>42009073This is just a general, I didn't make the errata at the top.
Dark Dionysus is an interesting threat subject. Why did you choose it? I read recently that if we apply a Neoplatonic view, we can consider Helios to be the Monad, Apollo to be the Nous, and Dionysus to be the Psyche. So if look at this Solar trinity, Helios is the Aionic sun, Apollo is Ouranic sun, and Dionysus is the Chthonic sun.This complexity of Dionysus as the Soul, as the lunar sun that traveled to the underworld and reemerged remembering its own origin is worth thinking about. Dionysus can perhaps be considered Sol Niger, the Black Sun.
>>42010337That's a really interesting viewpoint. I chose it mostly because I feel very close to "underworld" things nowadays, and I'm looking at pursuing a Dionysus-focused practice. I come from a tantrik sorcerous background(kaula/Kali focused), and I'm basically looking for a way "out" of Eastern-focused paths (I'm American/a man of the West, and I tire of always looking towards the East). Additionally, I'm intrigued by the prospect of Dionysus being Rudra-Shiva, and vice versa.
What are everyone's thoughts on Minerva as a kind of she-Jupiter? I have been thinking about the Capitoline Triad and wondering what it could mean
>>42012327she is the daughter of zues so i wouldn't consider it a stretch.she is equivalent to sophia
>>42013916>she is equivalent to sophiaInteresting, that does make sense
>>42004956>& Neoplatonism GeneralIs Islamic Neoplatonism welcome?>Reality flows from the One (God) down through intellect, soul, and matter, similar to Plotinus’ emanation theory>God is utterly transcendent, beyond existence, and the source of all being.>The Active Intellect mediates between God and the material world; humans access truth via reason and contemplation>Spiritual progress is a return of the soul toward God through knowledge, virtue, and purification.Turns out Islam and Neoplatonism are completely compatible. Islam really is just the final revelation to the One, which is Submission to the One.
>>42014173final revelation of the One*
>>42012327She is the female clone of Zeus, so to speak. She embodies certain parts of Zeus, in her justice, prudence, and warlike spirit. I am very jealous of that olive motif fabric in this altar.
>>42014173>Is Islamic Neoplatonism welcome?Not really. Islamic 'neoplatonism' is not real platonism since it relies on prophetic revelation rather than logos
>>42014376>since it relies on prophetic revelation rather than logosMissing the point. Revelation and reason are complementary since prophecy is a natural emanation that guides human understanding.
>>42014393>since prophecy is a natural emanation that guides human understandingNot really. Neoplatonism concerns itself with the world of forms. Islam has no concept of a perfect world of forms, instead it believes that prophecy is the revelation of divine will of Allah. Neoplatonism cannot work in Islam because there is no Platonic world to contemplate or understand, there is only the will of Allah, which relies of faith. Neoplatonism cannot fully align with Islam because ultimate truth relies on divine will and faith in revelation, not solely on reason. This subordinates epistēmē (true knowledge via logos) to divine command, making it closer to authority-based belief than Plato's pure rational ascent, where no historical revelation or binding will intervenes.
>>42014494But we are talking about NEOplatonism (Plotinus) which reorganizes this into: >The One (absolute source)>Intellect (Nous) containing intelligible realities>Soul>Material worldAll the Forms exist within Intellect, not as a separate realm you “travel" to. And Islamic philosophers adopted this model, not Plato’s original dualism.
>>42014494And Al-Farabi for example had the view that prophets are philosopher-legislators with supreme intellectual and imaginative faculties. Prophecy is perfected human intellect receiving intelligible truths from the Active Intellect and then expressing them symbolically for society.
>>42014568>>42014583That doesn't change the fact that Islam's view of God as divine will, and prophets as receiving revelation of divine will, and as such receiving authority that overrides philosophy, is incompatible with a Neoplatonic view of an ineffiable Monad that can be known through reason, and where there is no authority superior to logos.The injection of divine will, prophetic supremacy and legislative revelation deviates from core Neoplatonic understandings. It's no longer about the metaphysical overflow of the Monad.That's why Islamic Neoplatonism is not true Neplatonism, it's Neoplatonism twisted into Islamic service. It's theism hijacking Neoplatonism to defend Muhammad and the Qur'an
>>42014673Only that late Neoplatonism ritual and theurgy. So the idea that Neoplatonism is pure rationalism with “no authority beyond logos” is false.I guess you could try to gatekeep Neoplatonism but if you think Neoplatonism is a closed system that can't be integrated into theism, then large portions of late antiquity and medieval philosophy would cease to qualify. Which of course would be ridiculous.>and as such receiving authority that overrides philosophyNo, as I tried to say before, they are complementary.
>>42010613The dismemberment of Dionysus Zagreus appears in Neoplatonism as a key element to approach the henotheistic interpretation that makes Dionysus the Son of God par excellence, with a soteriological and eschatological function. In his Commentary on the Dream of Scipio, Macrobius also alludes to the mirror that appears in this myth identifying the child-god with the ‘material intellect’, that is, the ‘reflection’ of the intelligible world over matter. He states:>The members of the Orphic sect believe that the material intellect is represented by Bacchus himself who, born of a single father, was torn apart into separate parts. In his sacred rites, he is portrayed as being dismembered at the hands of irate Titans and emerging again safe and sound from the Titan’s buried members. The explanation to this was that the nous or mind, by offering its undivided state to the indivisible, fulfils at the same time its earthly functions and does not abandon its secret nature.Therefore, the death of Dionysus, who is divided into many pieces after seeing his reflection in the mirror, functions as an allegory for the transition from unity to the multiplicity of the material world.
>>42014717The central focus of Orphism is the suffering and death of the god Dionysus at the hands of the Titans, which forms the basis of Orphism's central myth. According to this myth, the infant Dionysus is killed, torn apart, and consumed by the Titans. In retribution, Zeus strikes the Titans with a thunderbolt, turning them to ash. From these ashes, humanity is born. In Orphic belief, this myth describes humanity as having a dual nature: body (Ancient Greek: σῶμα, romanized: sôma), inherited from the Titans, and a divine spark or soul (Ancient Greek: ψυχή, romanized: psukhḗ), inherited from Dionysus. In order to achieve salvation from the Titanic, material existence, one had to be initiated into the Dionysian mysteries and undergo teletē, a ritual purification and reliving of the suffering and death of the god. Orphics believed that they would, after death, spend eternity alongside Orpheus and other heroes. The uninitiated (Ancient Greek: ἀμύητος, romanized: amúētos), they believed, would be reincarnated indefinitely.
>>42014709Theurgy isn't "authority beyond logos", it's a tool within a rational framework. Islamic prophecy, by contrast, introduces divine volition (Allah's will choosing prophets) and binding revelation (Qur'an/Sharia as final truth), which claims supremacy over philosophy. In Islamic Neoplatonism, revelation and philosophy aren't equals and revelation has primacy over logos, that's the whole issue. It's not Neoplatonism, it's Islam with Neoplatonic characteristics.
>>42014784>It's not Neoplatonism, it's Islam with Neoplatonic characteristicsWell, I can agree to that giving it some more thought. I'd definiatly consider myself muslim first and neoplatonist second. In Sufi thought Mohammed is actually the first emanation and the primordial light from which all creation unfolds.Guess this is another difference between us. I guess for you it would be more impersonal while in our belief the light of Mohammed is tied to the historical person and his mission.
>>42014173You should be a Zuisthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuism
Never thought I'd see "Islamic Platonism" like, ever.
>>42017067Very common, like the essence of Sufism I thinkRead Guenon
>>42017067"Islamic Platonism" is pretty much a cope from Islamic era philosophers who wanted to reconcile Platonic kino with their Arabian religionslop
>>42016920Interesting...
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>>42018893Yeah, personally I'm rather against Islamic shit-religion mucking up this fucking thread, but I've got to say it is at least more interesting than basic goatfuck Islam, for sure. Lots of people like that shit the bed becuase whites are discussing white people shit. I doubt that's what's going on here, but it's something I'm hypervigilant about.
>>42022553They're trying to abrahampoison the thread
>>42018893>>42022553I get the impression compromise cope religion is reduced in value at least by the amount it's compromised, so if it's half Islam or Christian it's at least half worthless, and possibly negative. Hellenic mythology isn't reliable but at least they were trying.
Sorry, didn't intend to cause a clitty leak. Just wanted to catch up with some Neoplatonic colleagues, that's all.
>>42024391Islam is controlled opposition to Christianity. Cui bono?
>>42024439I get what you are implying but I just wanted to say that literally the second chapter of the Quran “The Cow” literally debunks the myth of a chosen people and deconstructs Judaism. It literally prophecises transhumanist jewish supremacists:>And you will surely find them the most greedy of people for life — even more than those who associate others with Allah. One of them wishes that he could be granted life for a thousand years, but it would not remove him in the least from the punishment that he would receive. And Allah is Seeing of what they do. -Al-Baqarah (2:96)
>>42024457If it were hypothetically controlled opposition, would not the enemy of your enemy be your friend?
>>42024439Controlled opposition is real sometimes, but not everything you don't like is a conspiracyI don't think Islam is correct, but the vast majority of Muslims, including the top leadership, have been true believers, much like Christians at least after the Apostolic era
>>42024511>true believersWell that's the point, getting people to believe in your ploy.>not everything you don't like is a conspiracyMaybe not everything but Abrahamistic religions are. As implied above that doesn't mean most followers are in on it.
>>42024523Jesus and Muhammad may have been shysters. It is also possible that their immediate followers, the Twelve Disciples, etc. were in on it. After that point though, it's just been a a self-sustaining system with no external input required
>>42024541Jesus and Mohammed were telling the truth and were both genuine Prophets, putting their lives on the line to spread the truth of God. However Christianity was immediatly subverted by Saul/Paul of Tarsus.
>>42024556Jesus and Muhammad were >mentally ill>magiciansand/or>politically-motivated machiavelliansPaul didn't even meet Jesus and was just as Christian as anybody else from that point on.
>>42024563Or genuine prophets with supreme intellectual and imaginative faculties?>Paul didn't even meet JesusExactly, he is the one that corrupted Christianity and turned it into this faith-based Jesus cult, and he didn't even meet Jesus (PBUH).
>>42024570I see no reason to believe that Paul knowingly lied about anything. He believed everything he said he did
>>42024541>>42024556Jesus was a prophet but not everything he said was divinely inspired, in fact he turned away from that which caused a lot of problems including his demise. I don't know exactly when that happened, or the real story of Mohammed yet.t. magically inspired
>>42024575His life definiatly became more difficult after it. He either really believed or lied at first thinking he could benefit, but then realizing he was to deep in to get out so he doubled down instead. Doesn't matter. What matters is that he was wrong.
>>42024563When was ever Christ involved in politics? You lying rat. Theres a saying in my language that a thief judges others as himself, so because you're a rat you have to see everyone else as
>>42024632Jesus was a Jewish nationalist in the spirit of the Maccabees. That's part of what being a moshiach is
AVE SATURNUS
>>42010613Hmmm, interdasting... i take it youve read about the black virgin? East and west are not as separate as we may think
>>42024712>Jesus was a Jewish nationalistRight, the quotes of salvation for the jews versus the ones about not finding such faith in israel as that of the roman soldier. But its all just reducing faith to this ism or that. We have more faith cause we are gentiles, no, we have salvation cause we are jewish. Completely ignoring the spiritual message finding God and His justice
hellenic anons what do you think happens to a random person after death
>>42026470Hades, reincarnation and/or nothing; I don't know desu, but the latter is the most likely. Hades isn't a place of torture so I don't particularly care which one
>>42026470After you die and your soul is judged, eventually you go through metempsychosis. The soul journeys through regions like Hades or Tartarus, drinks from the River Lethe to forget past lives, and is reborn, to learn, purge sins, or eventually achieve henosis (union with the divine) through wisdom
>>42026929>judge>sin>union with the divine None of this
No.42024563what? i was never involed in politica but royal familys i see you never read the holy quran I was trying to marry into the holy kings and queensevery one of my hearm was posisiton>jesusI don't know what my son was trying to do Ihe was going full lone wolf.politcs was round him but he was more worried about roman paganism and judaismjusdaism is 100% political and not religious at all.
>>42026357I don't think so...>Say, ‘If the Home of the Hereafter with Allah is exclusively for you and not the other people, then wish for death, if you are truthful.’But they will never wish for it, ever, because of what their hands have sent before them…>And they say, ‘None will enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ That is their wishful thinking. Say, ‘Produce your proof, if you are truthful.’
Why are so many of you arguing about sandnigger and kike shit in this thread? Get the fuck out. Go start your own thread for that fucking shit.
Is there a hellenism reading list?There's obviously the Greek and Roman literature charts, but they're not really the same thingI'd make one, but I'm worried I'm not well read enough yet and I'm want it to be perfect
>>42026929Would you agree that at the precise moment someone dies what is known as the subtle vehicle which is both igneous and aerial departs from moisture of the earthly body to wander? I figure it either stays bound to the cavernous mundanity from where it departed and forbidden to leave by a tremendous whirlwind where they are to be tempted and tried by false lights since they were judged unable to cross the waters of tartarus and see their own inner light or alternatively the vehicle unburdened by the heavier elements ascends through the stygian waters to different lands, of sorts, places which are the heavenly abodes of the Gods and daemons where they are given the opportunity to become even further purified and transfigured inwardly by the inspired dialogue of many beneficent beings. Either way the process repeats until eventual reunification with the One.
>>42012327All the Gods are androgynes since each one perfectly contains within themselves the pre-essential uncreated principles of limit and unlimit, bound and unbound, similarity and dissimilarity, one and many. Engendered existence really only begins at the level of soul, as it is one of the foundational fastenings, E.G. modes of being, by which we, as autonomous agents, realize our distinct and fixed hierarchical stations. These statuses are held firmly in place by what the soul essentially derives itself from, if taking from an individuality first E.G. unity, immovablity, strength then they become man, if from a collectivity E.G. the beauteous, vivific, lovely then women.TL;DR Gender is fixed and is determined as a mode of participation most appropriate to our substance. Gods don't have gender the same way we do.
I'm assuming you guys are familiar with the Daedric Princes in the Elder Scrolls?
>>42032725Why are they documented as being male and female
>>42034604Anon, you're NGMI. Do you know why Zeus is documented as fatherly and bearded, draped in cloth? Do you know why he lives in the sky from out of which he sometimes throws lightning bolts and occasionally descends to become a cow?
>>42029707Idk, I keep poking my head in here too only to be disappointed. They probably figure disrupting conversaton helps them win the culture war.
>>42036728Yeah, this shit happens every time a decent general starts on this fuckhole site. Fucking sandnigger shit in a Hellenism general? Are you kidding me? Fuck off, shitskins.
>>42037008>Fucking sandnigger shit in a Hellenism general?Ok, let's not pretend the greeks have never been to a desert or are some pure aryan blue-eyed nordics (well Alexander was but not most of 'em).
>>42037380This isn't about race, it's about getting desert god shit out of this fucking general.
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Does Hellenism mean Greek-centric to hellenist-anons? I mean technically the word sort of doesI'm of a Roman reconstructionist tbqh. I'm not hostile to neoplatonism, but it doesn't really grab me. I don't really like any salvationist religion
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