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We are being harvested here, ou energy. Suicide is a way out and the system has made sure to trick us into believing that suicide is wrong. That we will go to Hell for killing ourselves. But I don't think it's simple like that because there are people who kill themsevels not because they realized that life is a prison, but because they did not want to end up in a prison created by humans, a jail. They don't mind being in the prison which is life, but they mind being locked away behind bars in a jail cell so they kill themselves. I think most definitely there is some kind of mechanism that will drag that person's soul back to this Hell. Makes sense that we need to develop awareness so when we die we won't be tricked. We will have imprinted in our souls that we are not supposed to come back here never again. I don't believe in Hell anymore as the jews say it or christians say it. Hell seems to be a human invention created to stop us from doing what they don't want us doing. If you kill yourself (because you realized the true nature of this reality) you go to Hell, but if you serve God with all your understanding and soul you are rewarded. People want to be rewarded. They get us because we don't want to face punishemnt, we want to be rewarded. They use our very human nature against us because humans want the best for themselves so they used the concept of being one with God as the reward. But you won't be one with God as you think, you will serve Him for eternity. You will be forever in His shadow and people actually think that that is a good thing. That it's better to be at the shadow of the most high, they like to call Him, maybe because he is the one who is most fucked up on drugs, the most high, than to be without a shadow and feel scorching of the sun because of the sun light. Most people will always prefer to have someone taking care of them, instead of learning how to take care of themselves.

I know this because I was like that, but not anymore. I don't understand why suicide is such a bad thing. If people are killing themselves then this is a signal that God has failed if the intent was to produce a world where people could live in peace and harmony. God failed and when I see a person killing him/herself I blame not society for failing with that person, but God. God is the one who failed. The person who kills itself has every right to do it because none of us asked to be in this prison, but here we are and we are deceived day one since birth, that's why we cry when we enter into this world, it is one of the biggest signals that life is Hell pretty much.

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have a smoke anon

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oh so when I talked about my Ideation i get IP range banned but this guy gets to schpeel how suicide is a badass rebellion against the archons hes ok? this place i swear.

anyways OP dont do it, its gonna hurt in ways you cant imagine not just to yourself but your loved ones, you are loved, even if you dont believe it.

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you don't have to kill yourself because you will die anyway

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you know how i know suicide wont work, you sound exactly like Philipp Mainlander, he was talking the same exact smack you were talking, published a whole thesis about it, killed himself a year later, here you are talking in the same vein, you must be his reincarnation or something. dont worry buddy youre gonna loop around till you really "get it"

I think that ideation in part comes in general to people who are more open minded. You may say "schizo" but... what even does that mean? People are described as schizo for breaking a idea down into every possible option in order to problem solve.... seems more like a super power if you ask me. And yet, this thinking, critical thinking is cast as though it's abnormal or an illness. And perhaps the reason is that a person with this way of thinking is "flooded" with information at times...
In any event, I think that's where it comes from. In any problematic situation, you could see "well, i could just end it" as a possibility even if it's the most insane possibility, it's still there. What I like to posit to people about suicide is that ending your life doesn't have to mean taking your life. I have a lot of stuff for instance... I have a life and people that depend on me. If I just got in my car and left everything behind I'd be killing my current self. And it's tempting. I don't want to die. I want to live a life where I'm not tied down to things.

Also a side note, they've started adding sucide prevention numbers to student ids in elementary school... and I think that is a bad move because most kids would never even think about it. And I think having that on the ids inevitably will make people think about it who otherwise would never.

>>42009398
This video had the biggest impact on me when I was very depressed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2KNvzovHM

>>42009398
First, cleanse your karma/heal your trauma/clear your energetic blockages.
THEN you can leave this world with a guarantee that you'll never be forced back here.

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>>42009406
Rich people do it, celebrities do it, musicians do it, artists do it, athletes do it (an NFL player literally just did it). You can have everything and still feel like nothing. They are probably just sent back to a period in time before they became irreversibly depressed, and given another chance to resolve things. Either that, or they found eternal peace. If it came down to those choices, I don’t blame them. I don’t subscribe to the idea of heaven or hell; and even if they exist, any sort of God would be a complete sadist to condemn you to even more suffering because you couldn’t handle what you were given on the mortal plane.

>>42009398
you haven't truly suffered until you are dying, in pain, and just want to end. there are some people who are in so much physical pain yet are not dying, that they have killed themselves anyway

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>>42009398
I also didnt find a convincing reason why this is not the answer. Sort of. All of them usually come down to either blaming the state you will leave your loved ones in or to missed opportunities in the future. In the first case it sounds selfish to me, as if the image of a person in the perception of others prevails over their own feelings and perception. In the second case living for the hypothetical possibilities may seem quite reasonable, but what kind of life is this if it clings to the idea of a better life while in reality everything remains the same? I've thought about it a lot, though not from any spiritual point of view. The topic of death is generally quite taboo, because, whatever the guesses, it still remains extremely unknown, and people are afraid of the unknown more than anything else.
Suicide is a good idea that simplifies life by thinking that there is a last resort. Life is then perceived as a choice, but in this case this choice must transcend the idea of death, and it makes you live. At least that's how it is with me.
May everything be fine with you, anon

>>42010386
BS. Physical pain is one thing, but there are other kinds of pain as well. Physical pain can be excruciating, but other forms of pain can also become excruciating. Try having a loved one raped in front of you and killed while you were powerless to do anything about it. Let's see how you handle that kind of pain. y point is that it's not just the physical pain, man. Sometimes it's easier to endure physical pain than it is to handle a mental kind of pain. Something which doesn't aflict your body, but your soul.

>>42009398
2022 was the bottom anon, joseph was in prison 7 years. hold on a little longer.

>>42009398
Jesus died on the cross for you. God suffered immensely for his creation
He is like a father figure not a slave owner

https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-best-argument-for-christianity

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The final redpill of /x/: this world we live in is a dream that we must wake up from. If you kill yourself, you will just go further into the dream. I just know this from the intuition that has been gifted to me. We must endure to the end brother even if it's hard.

>>42009398
1/2
Suffering is built into the system because to have different consciousness operating in different frequencies at the same time and having free WILL simultaneously builds attrition and suffering is a result of that. The thing is that modern life tries to give suffering meaning when in reality there is no meaning TO suffering and when we search for it it just isn't there. There is however meaning and a reason as to why the physical world couldn't possibly exist without suffering because then reality wouldn't be spontaneous or have any contrast of experience. Suicide in that sense is a mechanism of luciferian impulse of which tries to escape the world which is an impossible task since your spirit is clearly operating under mechanisms within the physical world. Suffering with responsibility can even generate strength which is valuable, alchemically life is bound to suffering because of attrition and if you have a bad physical life you'll have a blissfully mental state and vice versa. That's why people kill themselves in modernity since we're all comfortable slobs.

>>42009398
>hell seems to be human invention created to stop is from doing what they don't want us doing

What you are doing isn't satisfying you. Try to see beyond your normal range of options that are just leading you to depression. It's no use to keep doing those things since they are not working for you. Imagine having infinite money. Don't think about what you would buy. Instead think about what you would do. What would you change? Think about those things and then ask yourself if you actually need the money to do any of that. What would you try? How would you define yourself? You don't need to pitch your life into the trash. You're not angry at your life. You''re frustrated that your choices always lead to the same place. Try radically changing your choices and see what happens.

>>42011116
2/2
Let me be clear tho, suffering is innate to physical reality. Because many of evil attempts to end suffering end up in destroying reality (the system is bound to attrition). That is, if you wish to dominate the world to destroy all suffering you'll end spontaneity and make everyone slaves up to a point where there's no free will and the black fish of yin and yang eats the white fish and the canvas is now totally black. I love being in reality even if it's hurtful because it's obviously a form of lower conscious lifeforms and spirits to evolve into higher forms which allow otherness to exist because otherness is required for beauty. That's why Lucifer and lower consciousness is so egotistical and higher forms are selfless and allow the other to exist within an action of letting go. Good vs evil is not bliss vs suffering but otherness vs the call of the abyss. Gnostics and loosh farmers believers have never been to actual nature and assume urban and society structure is the normal in universe which if it were would confirm their theory but it's not. Pagan societies which lived in nature as hunter gatherers saw the world as a extension of themselves and not something outside of their souls. The thing is that to evolve into higher forms of consciousness we must go through this process of being a cosmic teenager which involves suffering and massive anxiety.

>>42011036
I would like to ask the christian kind to stay away from this thread. I can't stop you guys from coming here because this place is for everyone, but I would kindly ask to the christian kind to not share yoru delusions in this thread. If you want to talk how Jesus died for us then create a new thread and do that. We don't want to hear that shit. We have hear that shit a gazzilion times before. Please, spare us from this tired thing of Christ died for you, bro. Yeah, fuck him. Fuck Christ. I did not ask him to die for me. He was dumb. And never forget how God left him all alone in that cross to the point that Jesus said "why hast thou forsaken me?". This is a signal of how God was cruel to Jesus. Jesus said if possible pass this cup from me. This means Jesus did not want to die, but he did anyway because God asked Him. This is the ultimate sign that God is not fair at all because God asked an innocent man to die for us. God was not fair. People say that God is fair, but an innocent died. An innocent shhould never die to pay for the crimes of those who are not innocent. This is not justice. This is something else. You can call whatever you liked best, but to me this is not love, this is the biggest sign that God failed. That God had to sacrifice an innocent person to save the lives of the ones who trully deserved to die. THe biggest sin that God lost the control of creation and had to sacrifice His own son. And how does that anyway? Instead of sacrificing Himself, God asks His son to come here? God is a fucking coward. I hate you for spreading this concept of how Jesus died for me. I never asked Jesus to die for me and I hope he trully felt pain because he was fucking dumb. Fuck Jesus.

>>42009554
>you don't have to bother yourself with life because you will die anyway
fixed it for you.

>>42011285
How do people bypass the survival instinct? They get drunk? If I get drunk will it be easier to have the guts to off myself? And what is the best way to off oneself? Is it with a fire gun? Or maybe an overdose of heavy drugs like heroin?Or maybe is it better to just jump off of a very high place? I remember watching the movie the last of the mohicans and this girl kills herself in the end of the movie. She doesn't want to be captured by the ugly and uncivilized native american and kills herself. Bad ass.

You are loved more than you can possibly understand. it's beyond comprehension you are so deeply loved, everybody reading this please know if you're in a dark space right now and you feel trapped or helpless please know you are loved beyond belief, you are a blessing to everyone you. One across, you are misunderstood and you're so full of hurt and pain you don't feel you deserve the love but you do and you are the blessing you are the light in the darkness, please love yourself forgive yourself, it's okay everything's going to be OK you are loved so so much. I love you and feel for you so.

I dont talk about suicide as a moral issue, just from what I have learned communicating with spirits, and it is also very logical.

If you commit suicide out of depression or fear, you will become stuck in a "hell" which is a repetition loop of your depression, due to the fact you have too much attachment to the material which lead to your suicide in the first place.

If you commit suicide at the peak of happiness however, you will go to a 'heaven'.
Whatever your choice is, I don't care if you kill yourself, this is just what I have learned

>>42011347
you sound like the bots that spam the "10 hours of noise for sleep" type videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOu8affnGx0

>to whoever is reading this... xxxxxxx blah blah blah

holy shit the megadeth album

>This world is a giant farm
No it isn't, stopped reading
Don't do it OP!

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Bruh, I say this with all kindness. Unironically go see a psych. One who's chill and you can talk to without them telling you to smile more to feel happier.

>>42011324
Yes, there have been studies done which show it is more likely than not for you to have alcohol in your system when committing. To clarify, I am NOT recommending you to attempt, just giving you answers to your questions.
There is no “best” way, only high likelihoods. Look up victims of self-inflicted gunshot wounds and imagine having to live like that after thinking it would all be over. Overdoses are unreliable but heroin (and especially fentanyl) are the most common, do your own research. Jumping is also very effective but you need to be pretty damn high up, and the fear alone would probably stop you anyway. Also, movie suicides are often extremely dramatized; yes, she literally threw herself off a cliff, and that would probably kill you, but there’s effectively no way to guarantee your demise.
Even then you have to deal with the paranormal theories of consciousness; quantum immortality (you survive but end up either completely unharmed or partially/permanently disabled), parallel universes (you get sent back right before the event, or wake up in your bed like it was a dream, or get sent even further back), dimensional jumping (you get sent to a place where suicide wasn’t even an option in your mind), etc.
Or you could end up just floating around as a ghost, or sitting in eternal oblivion. Or sitting in Heaven or Hell. Or you get reincarnated. Or you just time loop.
The implications of suicide (and by extension, death) are endless. It isn’t a decision that is made lightly. It is impulsive or meticulously planned, there is no in between.

Don’t kill yourself my nigga.

>>42011468
stop telling people not to kill themselves before even knowing what race they are

>>42011396
He is worst than that, he is a golem!!! aha

>>42011487
I'm not a jew, I assure that, my dick is intact. I have foreskin. lol

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holy fucking wall of slop, is this really what you believe or is it regurtitated shit from books and other media? this is the worst time to kill yourself, with rapid ai advancement, new technolgies like fusion coming out, alien disclosure, etc. we never had it this easy. and you're alive right here in this most important time in human history, not before or after but exactly at this turning point. everyone else before us had to toil in the fields and die pathetically from disease or war to make this happen for you to give up right at the finish line because you're a little depressed, fucking hilarious. and if none of that happens or it gets worse, you can always kill yourself later and dissolve yourself back into the universe.

but if you're really suffering constantly, then it's understandable. go ahead and end it but keep in mind you're not rebelling against god, you're doing what you're supposed to either way.

>>42011510
Yeah, I understand that God is a faggot. There's no way around it. It sucks. The game is rigged. What can I say?

>>42011468
>Look up victims of self-inflicted gunshot wounds
those people were idiots who just copy what they see on TV, where every gun suicide is a headshot

if they were smart they'd have shot their hearts
there's no surviving a gunshot to the heart without immediate professional medical treatment

>>42011539
blowing your brains out would retardify you though so you dont get to think about what you did

>>42009406
>that life is Hell pretty much
then suicide is pointless you are just going to return

we should be making this into heaven, like the Jews say

>>42011623
since its inevitable that we will keep reincarnating eternally, the most logical solution is progressive work reality into being heaven through knowledge and technology

eventually have a perfect disease free world without the need to kill for food etc all animals would be like dogs

obviously we wont achieve this in our lifes but we are stuck in this hell world forever we will keep reincarnating so eventually you will benefit from this

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so yeah we must recognize we are conscious agents of God basically that need to help "finish the job" and turn this natural environment we came up in, into a literal heaven

we are not far from it regarding technology

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its very simple, if the world keeps going in a "positive direction" regarding development human well being etc then your next reincarnation will be "heaven" or closer to heaven than this life you got

and if the world goes back to the medieval ages, you will be born into a hellish future when you reincarnate

when u kill yourself they're just gonna throw you back down here. Just going by the numbers, you're more likely to be reincarnated as a chink or a nigger with no frontal lobs, maybe a filthy arab pedo or... an indian.
That last should give you chills.
May as well stick around and hope we get some breakthroughs in breaking outta this prison planet (ie blow up the moon) than leaving early and coming back as literal human shit.

>>42011684
>when u kill yourself they're just gonna throw you back down here
...because you failed to learn teh spiritual lessons n shit, right? Where do you people get that hogswallop from? Who the fuck ever determined that committing suicide means an automatic re-incarnation as punishment? I'm sick of seeing this being memed everywhere

>>42011778
>because you failed to learn teh spiritual lessons n shit, right
LOL fuck no. No lessons here. And if somehow you do learn something worth remembering you get wiped anyway.
Automatic reincarnation is unfortunately the system we are trapped in, not about learning or ascending, just about our divine energy being farmed until there's nothing left.

>>42009398
People here need you. You're wrong about GOD and loosh and all that. You need to at least be able to consider that you are to find hope again.

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What's wild to me is that God absolutely will save you from suicide if you matter to his own selfish plans. But only then. I know of cases where some absolutely crazy shit happened last second or the person was saved in a miracle (example: one guy jumped off a tall bridge and was saved by sea lions keeping him afloat until he was rescued...) - but it's very rare. 99% of people will just die like irrelevant NPCs.

I hate it honestly. That God can save you but most of the time he simply won't.

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“People pontificate, "Suicide is selfishness." Career churchmen like Pater go a step further and call it a cowardly assault on the living. Oafs argue this specious line for varying reason: to evade fingers of blame, to impress one's audience with one's mental fiber, to vent anger, or just because one lacks the necessary suffering to sympathize. Cowardice is nothing to do with it - suicide takes considerable courage. Japanese have the right idea. No, what's selfish is to demand another to endure an intolerable existence, just to spare families, friends, and enemies a bit of soul-searching.”
― David Mitchell, Cloud Atlas

>>42012240
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10732/10732-h/10732-h.htm#link2H_4_0004

>>42011917
I realize you're probably saying that for OP's sake but it's not actually a fact. Know one really knows if automatic re-incarnation is the rule. Even if it were, why should it discourage someone wanting to kys? If we're truly damned whether we do or we don't.

>>42011324
Survival instinct is a meme if you truly wanna die.

roughly 90% of all major world religions condemn suicide and when one highlights the 10% that are okay with it you can deduce the rest.

goddamn. i haven't thought about suicide in a while, and you've put up a damn good argument as to why we should. the answer is that there has to be some good. there quite literally is no point in the world existing if it had no beauty whatsoever, and it does still hold beauty, my friend. what's so scary is that you're at the crossroads- you're THINKING about suicide, not feeling it. you are genuinely mulling it over in your head, pros and cons. and that might get you to do it when your feelings DO boil over. but you're also almost out of the pit, too. hear it from an anon who doesn't know you nor care about you; if the goal of existence set by corrupted gods is to be farmed for drugs, then you have an enemy, and it is the corruption of the world. we were put here to thwart our enemies, and they are winning, but we have an Upper Hand. dont look at the reception of suicide as a negative thing, you're applying selfishness too broadly across so many grieving people. the truly selfish thing to do is to get rid of yourself because deep within you, what you have to give is always eternal and will never be lost. and the "things" you give to people that make the world GENUINELY better, will never truly be of any cost to you. anyways this is far too long and chances are you already put a .357 in your fucking skull by the time i got done posting this. but if you didn't, then at least i did my part, and now you have the free will to choose what you do now, tomorrow, and always.

>>42009398
Many entry level religions and the overall nature of most people insist that greatest glory is the endlessly turning wheel of society. You must keep it going, you must work, you must contribute. And even in death there is more to it, there is watching over who you leave behind, there's helping others, there's reincarnation. They are made to believe THIS WORLD is the best thing ever and making sure it can be the best it can be is the only reason to exist. And for you to turn away from it in their eyes is the greatest sin committable. You are betraying your people, your ancestors and sometimes they even claim your purpose of being.

You need to think of life here like a shitty workplace. One that's never going to 'meet its targets' so is in a constant form of pressure and stress. And if you say you want to resign they immediately turn from being coworker and ally into the most hostile of enemies. They guilt trip and degrade you. They think how could you possibly leave this place that was so good to you, that gave you so much opportunity. How could stop your work and now make everyone else work harder. They insist its worse out there and you'll regret it.

Its not that they're bad people, its just they've bene in this place so long that its all they know. They can't accept that it could be better, because it'd be an admission that the grands scheme of the eternal wheel of society is really not that amazing. Essentially hatred of suicide is just one big hatred towards someone leaving this miserable place and someone having to clean up the mess you make when you leave. Its the "I am suffering, so you should be too" mentality.

But I don't think suicide should be done solely from a means of you hate it here so much you just want to leave. It should be done with an interest in what comes after. A passion for the next step not just a make it stop. I wish pain wasn't so unpleasant so I could kill myself and leave this physical world behind. I wish I had a gun.

What if I die by fasting? Is that still suicide as if I dropped myself off a building in a fit of rage?
What if I just sit there on a rock in fasting, prayer and meditation, then eventually my body just dies?
If Jesus knew he was going to die, why did he go along with God's plan? Isn't that also suicide by God's plan?

Nah, I don't buy that suicide is this super duper bad stuff, but quitting in itself must be a bad practice on an infinite spiritual level. It alters your soul body. Most people have already committed suicide but they're still walking around.

>>42012920
>its just they've been in this place so long that its all they know
It's more than that. The idea that humans are spiritual beings ["have souls"] and their flaws, to say it kindly, are due to having spent too long in this world or they haven't spent long enough [are spiritually unevolved] never stood up to a full consideration of the available evidence. Most of these creatures are too stupid and bestial. Something like half of them don't even have NDEs.

It's more like they're not even real. The mass of humanity seem to be literally NPCs, projections of this world. Their over-the-top reverence of it has no better explanation really.

>>42009398
Write your feelings on paper then burn it.
You might as well be letting someone take a picture of you.

>>42011324
i'm not trying to kill myself actively. but I don't wanna live either. wouldn't really say i've bypassed survival instinct. that said there are days where i'm pretty fucking close.

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>>42010608
You suffer because you choose to suffer, suicide just resets the process and worse you will be at a disadvantage. Understand the transitory nature of it all and realise the only pain is the one we cause to ourselves.

>>42013170
victim blaming horseshit

"Israel" the shayateen jinn state is responsible for giving my mother shayateen voices that speak through her all the time. I want "israel" the shayateen state gone. And all the shayateen terminated...

>>42011510

Everything is always around the corner. 2 more weeks.

>>42013170
It's only left to say that physical pain is just an interpretation of sensations by the brain, so those who suffer from physical pain are to blame for not changing their perception of this pain. Indeed victim blaming horseshit.

Pretty close to it myself, I'm completely miserable and don't have the power to change anything.

>>42013032
>Something like half of them don't even have NDEs.
Large population surveys suggest that only 4–10% of adults report having had a near‑death experience (NDE).
https://observatory.wiki/Between_Life_and_Death:_What_Near-Death_Experiences_Reveal_About_Consciousness

and THERE is the elephant-in-living-room... think about that stat for a minute... 90+% of fucking adults have never had an NDE; no wonder they're all so vapid and terrified of everything, especially suicide... they've never been to edge of existence and are toddlers spiritually .

>>42014993
Is that a % of people that have even been in a near death situation or just out of people in general.
I mean most of the population haven't been in a physical scenario that's that close to death to even get the opportunity to have an NDE in the first place.

Whoever has the most fun, wins.

>>42017219
>get the opportunity to have an NDE
the majority of people are frighten sheltered quivering pussies (at least in usa) who never SOUGHT out the edge of existence; no, in fact, they spend the entirety of their vapid normie lives ACTIVELY AVOIDING the edge of existence. Furthermore, it is entirely their own fault too for always playing it safe and not realizing there is such a thing as dangerous fun. Their pussydom is the primary reason psyops like 911 and covid were such raving successes for tptb. Frighten minds are 10000x easier to manipulate than minds with some fortitude and NDE.

>>42009398
>This world is a giant farm
>so instead of trying to find a way out of the demiurge realm while i'm grown up and in control of my faculties i'm going to reincarnate into possibly a worse situation as a little baby with no memories and have to grow for at least 20 years before past memories start creeping in, and that's if my next life doesn't sideline my spiritual development completely
What a terrible plan dude.

>>42011623
No!! Not like the jews say!! We should be raising our awareness and developing a higher consciousness, raising our spirits, realizing the hidden truths, the hidden patterns, the small building blocks that come together to form this wasted Hell of a realm. The jews are lying to us. They want to trap you inside their golden cube!! The jews worship a god alright, they worship fucking Satan. This God wants to be the only God and wants to force everyone into submission and the jews are helping it. We must realize that there are more than one God, the bible calls it Elohim.

>>42011641
I think the world was better with less technology because that enabled us to live more natural lives closer to the nature which is from where we came from, the dust. My point is that technology can make our lives better, yes, but technology is a double edge sword because technology has enslaved us. We are being mined here exactly because of the technology that we have created for ourselves or maybe it was given to us by higher powers. The fact is that technology has managed to enslave us even more. We are dependent on technology now. This is not ideal. So no. I hope that you can see that you are wrong. More technology doesn't mean a better world, like some kind of Heaven.

>>42011921
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the satanic elite in power, the evil scumbags and psychopaths need me alive in order to explore me and use my energy and my soul to profit from me. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm needed as a slave. Thanks, but no thanks.

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>>42012920
I just remembered about this episode in our human hystory. The monk who killed himself in order to protest against the injustices that his people were facing at the time. What you guys think about a scenario like that? The monk killed himself for a higher purpose? He did not kill himself because he was feeling sad, right? I mean, he probably was sad with the whole situation and inustices, but it no's like he was depressed, right? He killed himself because he wanted to sacrifice his life to make people notice this big injustice that they were facing, right? What about when someone doesn't want to live anymore and they give their life in a form of some kind of sacrifice for someone loved? Does this change things? The person is still wanting to die, but it is using the circumstances of life to do it without using a gun.

>>42011778
yea i think the reincarnation perspective is annoying and retarded as well.
hinduism? like, come on... then ppl here just like mix and match a bunch of different religions together like some sort of theosophy soup while throwing out buzzwords. reincarnation is a
child-like failed attempt at describing the metaphysical.
what happens you die?
>bro you just live again bro
lmao, i think the afterlife would have its own laws and mechanisms of nature & society just like here but different. nobody explains or goes into that. its just "bro you create your own reality"
which is why we never get anywhere on this board. it just turns into a mental masturbation circle jerk of nothingness.

>>42018982
I don't think it'd really work from an external judgement perspective. Someone could easily say that his suicide was more of an avoidance to the issue. That even a single day actually trying to help the people in question or fix the injective would be better off then a death. As in I think that no matter what you do, someone here can try to insist that you "weren't giving it your all" and that you could have done better/more.

But that's why I say it depends on what you think judges you. To surrender your soul to the whim of others I think is wrong. The truth is realizing you are the one that judges yourself. If you were to die, truly deeply knowing that it was done in a positive manner. Then I don't think you could ever be punished for it.

>>42009398
>>42009401
>>42009406

You don't actually know any of these things - you are simply responding to the economics of your age/a hard life.Lets play along and say the new age gnostic-y interpretation is correct...

Why would suicide end your suffering against a god like this? Why wouldn't he just send you back? If anything all it would do is prove you are an asset worth repeatedly harvesting no matter how short the shelf life.

> Hell is to prevent us from doing what they don't want us doing
If you've ever indulged in excessive sin - it creates hell on earth, no need for an afterlife to tell you that. No shit you shouldn't be doing those things if you cared about god or spirit - Satan also framed himself as a rebel in this way.

While I'm not christian , I think there is a lot of lessons to learn from the man himself. I think the real test is two things:

> the test to pass is making sure the world doesn't break your spirit - that is the ultimate loss.
> cultivating high spiritual prowess

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>>42009398
No, it isn't. It never is. The real secure path is going to church. Hard to find a good one though.

>>42009398
its painless and i can take or leave it if i please

>>42021912
You aren't the OP. You're a campaign. And the intention of your actions is dark and twisted.

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>>42009398
If you're feeling very depressed and suicidal about life, you should go outside for a bit and get some sunlight exposure. It'll improve your mood by a bit and slightly change your perspective on life and the unique situation that you find yourself in. That's what personally helped me out before whenever I felt extremely depressed and suicidal. Sunlight exposure has a positive affect on spiritual, physical, and mental health. Hope this helps. Goodluck, anons.

>>42021912
Hope you don't go through with it either way. Good luck bro

>>42011161
this reads like the temper tantrum of a petulant child. If he's real im sure he know you don't mean it.

>>42012920
>A passion for the next step not just a make it stop
wonderful post, thank you

>>42012920
>I wish pain wasn't so unpleasant so I could kill myself and leave this physical world behind. I wish I had a gun.

I mean... if one wants to leave the world, a little bit of research and there are 100% painless and reliable methods. I think most people just don't want to leave and hold onto hope.

>>42011050
>We must generate max amount of loosh for archons brother even if it's hard.
No.

>>42011116
>>42011143
What you you call free will is actually called pride and you literally prove that in your posts.

>>42009406
>don't understand why suicide is such a bad thing
Same reason rage quitting a game of Dota is shitty/punished. Your soul signed up for this mess, play it out til the end nigger

>>42026565
rage quitting some irrelevant video game has no consequences

>>42024109
At this point we should just nuke the reincarnation matrix so that we dont have to do this anymore

>>42009398
I think suicide is the way out. Every religion seems against it, along with everybody you'll meet.

I think pulling the plug will get you out of the simulation/reincarnation loop.

Of course it takes a lot of courage, courage that most don't have, not even myself and I believe this to be true.

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>>42026296
Wtf? I am saying the exact opposite. If you die, you will either reincarnate or generate further loosh in the dream realm. Waking up bypasses all that. To wake up, we stand our guard right here in the present.

Go back you retarded agent of the demiurge.

>>42026638
You really don't understand the concept of immortal souls
But that's fine. That's not the point of this life anyway

>>42026565
My soul would have only done so from a point in time in which it didn't understand those implication, as such shouldn't be held accountable for breaking the rule. It'd be like holding a toddler accountable for ticking "I agree" in some products terms and conditions

>>42009398
smoke durgs trst me

>>42026565
No i did not sign for anything

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Why delay the inevitable....
OR
Why rush the inevitable....

We are going about this entirely wrong, we are going after the wrong problem.
The problem is death itself.
We need to kill death.
Challenge death to chess...

>>42011347
Oh fuck off with that bullshit. My own mother never loved me, the rest of this world sure as hell doesn't.

>>42018982
The fact that he didn't move a muscle or make a sound while he immolated himself shows that he was on a whole different level. Most people that set themsleves on fire freak out and run around screaming. If any of you are thinking of doing this, don't. If you want to die, fine. That doesn't mean you have to cause yourself such grievous harm. Don't be angry with yourself.

If anyone here is really going to do it, consider the following:
The first rule of suicide is do not make a mess. So, don't blow your head off, don't set yourself on fire. I suppose hanging might be acceptable but you will shit yourself. If you just want to end your suffering, do not add to it. There are drugs that will do it, and there's also inert gas asphyxiation. That is supposed to be the easiest way out. Don't be angry with yourself, make it comfy.
Second, consider who will find your remains. I had a friend that hanged himself, he was only 23, and another friend found him and was very upset by it. Check into a hotel, it happens there every so often, it's a bit of a PITA but they really don't care, especially if you followed rule one. They just call the cops and let them take care of the body. If there's no mess to clean up they are not inconvenienced much. There's also the great outdoors. There's always a chance your remains will not be recovered, so consider that if you do not want to leave a missing person mystery on your family.
Third, leave a note. Tell whoever might care that you just wanted out and it' s not their fault. The idea is just relief from suffering so don't leave anyone with a massive guilt trip.
As you probably gathered I feel it is anyone's right to take their own life, but do take careful consideration if you choose to do so. It is, after all, the last thing you will ever do.

>>42009398
>thoughts of the average canadian

Do it and reincarnate as a fish

>>42011487
this made me laugh but I'm still very sad (and white)

>>42011510
nothing ever happens. We got an early Summer this year huh

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>>42026565
>Your soul signed up for this mess, play it out til the end nigger
I didn't sign up for shit you retard, my parents made the decision to have me. I never asked to be born and I shouldn't have been born in the first place. People who plan to have a child should take that responsibility seriously and consider what kind of genetics they're passing on. My dad's side of the family has a history of major heart problems, and one of his brothers died shortly after birth because of it. Hell, if I'd been born just a couple decades earlier, I would have died from my heart condition. But instead I had open heart surgery that jury-rigged my heart into semi-functionality.

>>42009398
stampe

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>>42009406
> if the intent was to produce a world where people could live in peace and harmony

What if that wasnt the intent? Have you considered that?

Suicide only takes you back in time, before the thought even crossed your mind.

>>42026653
>Chances of being born Indian: way too high and constantly increasing
Certainly makes a case for chucking the whole planet into the lake of fire

>>42027111
It was a mannequin. The monks know a little bit of stage magic and there was more than one of these demonstrations but this one is the most famous.

>>42026565
>Your soul signed up for this mess
New age gaslighting that mimics the function of original sin
>Uhhhh actually this is YOUR fault bro you actually chose this life where you're miserable and abused until death, it's like a scary videogame dude like your higher self that knows everything is just teaching you to be, like, truly YOU bro! it's like, these vague and unpleasant reruns where you play a starving, shitting, dying hairless ape that does monotonous things to survive all day and it purifies the soul man it's like all a choice man

The existence of billions of Indians automatically disproves the idea altogether.

>>42011161
this hits deep. i was raised orthodox christian and am participating in great lent things currently. i read scripture for over an hour with my family today. but my true beliefs are very close to yours. i disagree with the premise of christianity on a cosmic level. but yet i gain some comfort from it and i appreciate that by participating in it i can make family members think i am a normal human. i do wonder how much dogma so-called christians actually believe. some of my family members are able to think critically and do not accept obviously false myths such as the genesis creation story. but at that point, why believe any of it at all? why not free yourself and worship god as you see fit? why not go back to shamanism, paganism, folk witchcraft?

anon, i understand you. you are not alone. i believe that great spiritual changes are coming soon and we will come to know the real truth about all this christ stuff. i will see you on the other side. 93

>>42030549
>but at that point, why believe any of it at all?
Exactly.

Further, "you can't understand God's will" is such a copout, especially when it comes with a list of things they somehow know God wants from you. The story of Christ is very beautiful and optimistic (it's for generating faith most importantly) but it's completely nonsensical and inherently contradictory at the same time. I don't think that was supposed to be some complex juxtaposed esoteric communication, either. I think you're supposed to love Christ as presented for his passion and conviction, and just not question how a loving God could only think of this as a solution to his own creation.

And no, I'm not really an atheist. If God needs to do weird blood magic with the crucifixion of his transcendent flesh avatar-son, it's just not God.

>>42011161
I also feel like god doesn't love me. But I'll say this because I felt pain at that paragraph, and feeling pain is better than feeling nothing. You're angry at something that you created. Free will is a bitch

>>42030683
>You're angry at something that you created. Free will is a bitch

Gaslighting Christian faggot throwing out the "but freewill" cope when confronted with something that could upset his brainwashing. Yeah, God created a nightmare because you have the choice of eating one of two different breakfast cereals or holding your breath for a few seconds. The freewill to have most of your body operate unconsciously and against your desires. To crave all the things God says are bad, and "choose" to not be punished.

>>42009401

>We are being harvested here, our energy

Ego defense mechanism

>>42009398
if you have nothing to do here, fine, vacate the premises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMEtTIBwEko

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>>42030936

At dawn, when you have trouble getting out of bed, tell yourself: “I have to go to work—as a human being. What do I have to complain of, if I’m going to do what I was born for— the things I was brought into the world to do? Or is this what I was created for? To huddle under the blankets and stay warm?

—But it’s nicer here. . . .

So you were born to feel “nice”? Instead of doing things and experiencing them? Don’t you see the plants, the birds, the ants and spiders and bees going about their individual tasks, putting the world in order, as best they can? And you’re not willing to do your job as a human being? Why aren’t you running to do what your nature demands?

—But we have to sleep sometime. . . .

Agreed. But nature set a limit on that—as it did on eating and drinking. And you’re over the limit. You’ve had more than enough of that. But not of working. There you’re still below your quota.

You don’t love yourself enough. Or you’d love your nature too, and what it demands of you. People who love what they do wear themselves down doing it, they even forget to wash or eat. Do you have less respect for your own nature than the engraver does for engraving, the dancer for the dance, the miser for money or the social climber for status? When they’re really possessed by what they do, they’d rather stop eating and sleeping than give up practicing their arts.

Is helping others less valuable to you? Not worth your effort?

>>42026565

yeh but what if souls sign up for an experience of killing themselves?

>>42030936


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One of the most important decisions you'll ever make is choosing the kind of universe you exist in: is it helpful and supportive or hostile and unsupportive? Your answer to this question will make all the difference in terms of how you live your life and what kind of Divine assistance you attract. Loving people live in a loving world. Hateful people live in a hateful world. Same world.

With everything that has happened to you, you can either feel sorry for yourself or treat what has happened as a gift. Everything is either an opportunity to grow or an obstacle to keep you from growing. You get to choose.

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>>42031014
>You don’t love yourself enough. Or you’d love your nature too, and what it demands of you.
The problem with this way of thinking is that it tolerates the existence of evil. The reddit philosophical version of Taoism and also some interpretations of Hinduism say this. That following your nature is acceptable. But that means that it would be acceptable for people and beings who are evil-natured to do evil things and harm others. Which technically is allowed in reality.
They say that evil has to exist because good exists because of duality. I believe them. I think nothing can really be done about this ultimately except how Buddhists' end goal is to annihilate their own existence and become nothing. Or maybe how in Taoism it is possible to become immortal.

Also, some people are naturally like "rock star" types. Passionate people. It's their nature to go over what you described as "the limit" for eating and enjoyment set by nature. For some people that limit is different.

I think the only solutions to reality aside from compromising and trading your freedom for conditional happiness and spiritual protection by organized religions and the entities connected to them is to somehow "self-realize" metaphysical abilities, like an anime character powering up. And for most of us the only way to do that is going to be waiting things out.

I think it really can't be helped, but I think it's better to do the right thing and be patient even though it's frustrating, rather than cheat and turn to evil and tricks to advance. And for those who are brave or willing to become brave, I think it's acceptable to try to advance even in dangerous ways, if it's for the sake of bravery. But I think the path of the brave is for those who are either meant to take it or for those who are truly willing to try. I think if you're truly willing to try, and your motivation and character is truly pure and good and free of corruption, then you will be protected by higher powers.

>>42031014
>>42031070
>And for those who are brave or willing to become brave, I think it's acceptable to try to advance even in dangerous ways, if it's for the sake of bravery. But I think the path of the brave is for those who are either meant to take it or for those who are truly willing to try. I think if you're truly willing to try, and your motivation and character is truly pure and good and free of corruption, then you will be protected by higher powers.
By the way, I meant people who are brave and GOOD. Not how you technically have to also be "brave" or audacious enough to do seriously evil things. I meant people who are willing to put themselves in danger for the sake of their goals, but who are also people of good character.

>>42031014
>>42031070
>>42031115
I also want to say that I don't think it's "brave" to act with severe audacity to do evil things. The word "brave" to me also implies possessing honor, and I do not think doing evil things is honorable.

>>42030702
Correction, suicidal gaslighting Christian. This is a good thread, and I have absolutely no reason to push "my" religion on anyone. God, from my understanding, has forsaken me. Or I forsook myself, either way there's nothing anyone can say who really knows anything. That's why I looked at your words and saw myself. Your anger points to a suppressed idea, consider opening your mind and realizing we're all practically brain dead anyway. Used to be able to hold my breath for 2 minutes, until I let myself ruin my body with cigarettes. Nightmares are less scary if you wake up

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wow how did my oc gif stir up this much engagement?
oh well:

>>42031014
>You don’t love yourself enough. Or you’d love your nature too, and what it demands of you.
it demands indulgence in depravity and the abandonment of responsibility. i hate my nature, because it wants to kill itself stupidly.
>When they’re really possessed by what they do, they’d rather stop eating and sleeping than give up practicing their arts.
funny that you mention that, as lately ive not actually been in the state that lets my art posess me, despite having had a really promising idea and experimenting with the geometry of it, which usually lets the posession take hold.

>>42031047
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what
> Loving people live in a loving world. Hateful people live in a hateful world.
To love the world (which to people is mainly other people) is to treat it as it deserves, and it deserves to be hated, in order to motivate it to change to behave in a way that deserves to be tolerated, if not even appreciated. Now what?
>you can either feel sorry for yourself or treat what has happened as a gift.
the gift i received is the knowledge about why and how the world deserves to be hated, as despite my best efforts, performed most courteously, it insists on denying me opportunity and confronting me with obstacles (hating me, huh).
>You get to choose.
i beg to differ. i have to trust my perception, no matter what it tells me is real. i have no influence on what my perception tells me is real, only over what of that i acknowledge as real and what i dont, and i dont want to make it a habit to lie to myself (or anyone) for comfort. do you?

>>42031130
can you argue for why it isnt brave to pursue evil though? the desire to might need to persist against a pervasive fear of punishment, requiring great courage to try getting away with it. Or would true evil still subconsciously understand how it deserves punishment and therefore deep down welcome it?

>>42026686
>I think pulling the plug will get you out of the simulation/reincarnation loop.
and go where?

>>42009398
>>42010608
I've thought on this question like every single day. I can't think of any reasons why the majority of people should keep staying locked in wagie life.

I am still waiting on a reason why not to that isn't:
>Permanent solution to a temporary problem (the endless rape and murder and poverty of Earth apparently)
>It gets better (in two more weeks bro)
>Ur family/friends/dog/neighbor's son's roommate will miss you
>Um but like sunsets are pretty tho??? Stop being so negative jeez
>No you don't, it's the ~illness~ talking, go to a therapist and get on meds right now

I would love to hear one (1) reason that isn't one of these regurgitated lines.

>>42032547
I’m personally using it as a method of time travel/dimensional jumping, it’s just really hard to go through with it due to our natural survival instincts. Anybody else have luck w this?

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>>42009398
> Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
> Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
> For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
> Matthew 28-30
To any /x/ anon who is reading this and feels lost:
I tell you truly anon, all hells are self-imposed. Do you not see that it is God taking you along your journey, to lead you out of the abyss? God disciplines those whom he loves, and your suffering is meant to lead you to this. Religion is a matter of the heart. I have spent many, many hours arguing with heart-hardened atheists to no appeal. Knock down one objection, they ignore it and cling to a dozen more. Atheism, anon, is a spiritual state. You can see your inner religiosity through your love of goodness and virtue. That is God. Not in nature, but in his works. The good news anon, the Gospel, is that God died and rose again for us, to save even the worst of mankind. "And Jesus answered them, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance'” (Luke 5:31-32). You do not need to climb up to him, only to let him come down to dwell in you. God bless you.

>>42032547
There's no objective answer to such a subjective question. I think it depends on personal values. If there's something more valuable than nothing for a person, then they live, whether it's relatives, religion or hope in general. And then there's nothing, then well, usually people don't live or just exist. But, there's certainly no reason why one MUST live, it's a choice, not an obligation imo

>>42009398
>>42009401
You're right about this place being a loosh farm and you being put here to suffer and produce that loosh. But if you give up you'll just respawn. It's like jumping off a cliff in a video game, but it has permadeath and no save feature, so you restart at level one. And in this case you can't just turn off the console, you're forced to complete the game.
I get the appeal of suicide, but all you're really doing is setting yourself back because you can't actually die. It's not that easy.

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>>42033395
faggot

>>42031070

>But that means that it would be acceptable for people and beings who are evil-natured to do evil things and harm others

No one is evil by nature. You can either be a hostage to God or a host to your ego. It's a choice.

>>42031070

>I think it's better to do the right thing and be patient even though it's frustrating,

Frustration is manufactured. If you don't want to feel frustrated, simply change your thoughts / shift your perspective.

>I think if you're truly willing to try, and your motivation and character is truly pure and good and free of corruption, then you will be protected by higher powers.

You don't have to try your hand at anything. Once purified, you simply follow your dharma and things around you take care of themselves ("doing nothing yet leaving nothing undone").

>>42031569

>it demands indulgence in depravity and the abandonment of responsibility.
>i hate my nature, because it wants to kill itself stupidly.

anon, that's your lower nature. it's high time to become familiar with your higher nature.

>>42031569

>To love the world (which to people is mainly other people) is to treat it as it deserves, and it deserves to be hated, in order to motivate it to change to behave in a way that deserves to be tolerated, if not even appreciated.

No one owes you anything. Remember how long you’ve been putting off gratitude, how many extensions the gods gave you, and you didn’t use them. At some point you have to recognize what world it is that you belong to, what power rules it and from what source you spring; that there is a limit to the time assigned to you, and if you don’t use it to free yourself it will be gone and will never return.

>the gift i received is the knowledge about why and how the world deserves to be hated, as despite my best efforts, performed most courteously, it insists on denying me opportunity and confronting me with obstacles (hating me, huh).

It would be difficult for anyone of conscience to believe you've been performing "most courteously" with an attitude such as this. You can only fool fools.

>>42009398
rule again

>>42034213

host to God or a hostage to your ego*

...

>>42033395
In that case i am not interested in afterlife.

>>42034285
>No one owes you anything
So can i return immortality of my soul to the god?
I do not need it and i do not want it burden me anymore.

>>42009398
stillllllllllll aaaaaaaalive....... BLOOD OF HEROES

Honestly I get it. Life can be so fucked sometimes its the best option.

>>42009398
I don't have much to say on your topic, OP, but if you want to sound less ESL, you need to work on these sorts of sentences:

>otherwise where He will harvest
Otherwise, where will he harvest

>why did I planted it for
Why did I plant it?

>>42009398
Do some ketamine. It will cure your depression. Keep living just to spite the archons. If you are going to do the suicide route then watch the documentary called “The Sound of Insects” and learn what this is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayopavesa
Good luck.

>>42011347
I am genuinely not loved. The only people that loved me are dead, and now I am cold and alone. OP has a point, suicide may be the only way out of feeling like this.

>>42032547
Not Those Anons but I'll be rude and chime in... Outside those five you outlined I've heard:

>Most SIB fails and leaves one worse off
>It doesn't end for the survivors left behind
>It ruins your legacy

And finally
>Terrible example to set
>Divine command

I am gonna write a bunch of scitzo shit. Take it for what you will. I told a story on here one time about an acid trip I had that went terrible. I laid in my bed an heard a Sheppard's tone. Except it sounded as loud as a motorcycle. Saw this multicolor dial, and it was a circle grabbing my attention. I lost focus on it and found myself somewhere else. I had a vision that I was mounted to a machine and went through three or four cycles for infinity. There were others there with me. I had a sudden feeling like, ahh shit I forgot this again. This is the truth I thought. It was some matrix level shit. I was completely gone from my normal life, normal setting, I was just in this infinity factory of doom. I snapped out of it and immediately went crazy thinking NOTHING matters. Life is fake, I'll never get what I want, this is a setup, it's all bullshit. Started destroying shit and hurting myself so long story short went to the hospital by force. Woke up mad as hell to be alive. Looking back 11 years later, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. It set me straight and made me quit all drugs. I have no way to validate my claims, but I just have a strong feeling that something was off with what I saw based on the fact I have indeed achieved what I want in life. I think that if I were to have hurt myself I would have potentially ended up in that factory. I think that something was trying to trick me and get me to kill myself so I could be stuck in the factory. I don't know what happens if you commit suicide but I see it like, you're pausing your game before a boss fight. No matter what you do when you resume the game, you will still have to face the boss. In this life or the next.

Same fag about the acid trip here. I gotta say though man, I am not a believer in this gnostic stuff. I don't believe we are in a prison. Having had a vision of it myself, considering the possibility for YEARS of being inside one. I now think the truth is in our faces. this is heaven and hell at the same time! I went from being a living with mom, I will never own a home sorta mindset to having a daughter and a 5 acre farm within four years.. God has a plan for you and it's yours to decide! I don't read the Bible, I don't go to church, but he has shown me a glimpse at his plan. I believe Jesus being the son of God means that we all all sons of God.. I think you should go out make become who you desire to be as a part of God OP. I don't think suicide annoys God as much as flat out offends him. You're given a life to choose to do what you will with, and you say this is not good enough and destroy it yourself. That is the ultimate act of.. I don't have a word for it. Imagine you get a gift for your mom and she says this gift is a piece of shit and destroys it in front of you. You're mind would be fucking blown. That's how God feels when we commit suicide. I genuinely feel there are levels to this world. Manifestation, God, demons, timelines, it's all probably happening at once. I've achieved some pretty cool shit OP, just think of what it is you wanna shoot for and go for it. You'll get what you're after.

>>42036538
>this gift is a piece of shit
But for majority it objectively is.

>>42021837
>image
>living is normal and choosing to end it is weird

What did he mean by this?

>>42022901

What is it with sun faggots? Cattle brain?

>>42009398
imagine if beethoven, mozart or bach, (or insert your favorite artist) had killed themselves before doing their works
imagine what would have been lost
so it is with every kind and good soul that decides to give up their life
instead of being a benefit and a blessing to this world you decide to end it and leave the world a darker place

>>42011376
>If you commit suicide at the peak of happiness
Why anyone would do that?

>>42037680
>make stuff for me
What a shitty way to talk someone out of suicide.
How about make your own classical music instead of expecting others to do it for you, hmm? no one owes you or this evil world a goddamn thing