Aliens would be morally justified in treating humans the way humans treat farm animals.
Yes
>>42032513... you guys were supposed to notice the difference between crop circles and animal mutilations. We're making things super obvious for you right now
>>42032513chickens don't beg for their life.
>>42032513You'll do nothing, spacenigger.
>>42032595They do. They don't plead for their life because they can't talk to us. They clearly don't want to die.
>>42032595https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKU8j-XUfUQ
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>>42032601they don't
>>42032519Vegetables and grain production kill countless numbers of animals.
>>42032735ok boomer
>>42032513Animals can’t create civilizations, write literature, compose symphonies, create fine art. Pigs are nothing more than the bacon next to my eggs and toast; fuel I can use to do something actually important, which farm animals are incapable of. Conditions are horrible in slaughterhouses, but I'm not eating it so why care? I’ll happily leave the Walmart Americans to enjoy their shit smeared high cortisol chicken.
>>42033062ok boomer
>>42032513People on Earth would be more likely than evolved people.
>>42032513I'm sure the farm animals said the same thing to each other about their relationship with the humans.Dumbass.
>>42032735are you a nigger ? serious question btw
>>42033062and you can? lol show those symphonies or yours and all this fine art that you contribute. faggot you are a parasite.
>>42033168that's just the nonsense every boomer and boomer adjacent reflexively spits out when someone suggests it might be a good idea to treat our surroundings slightly better
>>42032735Yes. And then meat production that exact same number of grain harvesting and this dead animals - and multiplies the amount of deaths a hundredfold.If the complaint is dead animals, then there is no possibility of meat harvesting being better.But that isn't your complaint. You are just a retard saying retarded things.
Unfortunately such a scenario is not hypothetical in nature. There is good reason to believe that aliens abduct, kill, and mutilate humans in the most horrific ways imaginable, including skinning them alive. https://badaliens.info/I must warn you, if you do not already have an incredibly bleak view of the world the information contained on the website WILL traumatize you. Exposure to such information gave me first-hand experience with lovecraftian madness. OP, many of the animals humans eat in turn also eat other animals if they are given the opportunity. Chickens eat worms, horses are known to occasionally eat small birds. Even vegan diets sometimes require the deaths of other animal beings due to crop protection and tiny creatures run over by tractors and the like. Humans are not unique in their regard to killing and devouring other species. "Justice" through retribution would probably require extinction of the entire planet. Punishment is ultimately not a tenable ideal to uphold. If you want to uphold compassion for all species, humans are ultimately animals as well and should not be excluded. It is hypocritical to excuse the wolf for eating sheep but condemn the man. If you want to care about all species take a Buddhist perspective or something.
>>42033417Ok boomer. Your childlike view of the world is so tiresome. You can't actually be that dumb, can you? This is borderline retarded. You have a disability. Boomerism is a disease.
>>42032513I don't condone that and am powerlrss to stop it. No they don't.
>>42032513Humans need meat, it's why vegans are so weak and sickly. I could snap you like a twig you little bitch.
>>42032513There's no reason to believe that you can predict the morals of extraterrestrials in any way beyond the bear minimum necessary to build interplanetary spacecraftThey may be vegans, they may each other (when they die of old age), they likely won't want to eat people, but they may consider us a delicacy. No way to tell
>>42033442No you couldn't you fat fuck. I eat meat too. This whole thread isn't even about veganism but the demonic boomer factory farm enjoyers are so guilty they screech and scream if there's even a whiff of someone saying their daily animal holocaust might be morally wrong and unsustainable
>>42033442nah you just need keep paying taxes and going to work. every one can eat less meat, the concept of the large slabs and more, is something forced upon the populous by advertising and lobbying.yeah beef tallow is going to save this country, yeah raw milk, leather, natural gelatins. its all greed.
>>42033462Chickens should be mandatorily free-range. Battery farms should be illegalChick masceration should be illegal. Not because it hurts the chick's (it's so instantaneous as to be virtually painless), but because the negative psychological effects of living in a society that does that (not to mention people who have to work there) are not very good at allGassing would be less visually horiffic and no less painless, but even that's increasingly unnecessary because we can increasingly induce female offspring in hens and scan a chick's sex in the egg
>>42033463We need less people, so that we can eat more high quality meat cheaper with better lifestyles for the animalsFree vasectomies for the third world
>>42033471we need the tower in half life 2 that keeps people from procreating, for like ten years
>>42033478Only non-Europeans or non-Japanese
>>42032513you first, in your cage
>>42033486ERRRRVYONEwe don't need more hicks and white trash either
>>42032513this would be on a per basis.i'm on a carnivore diet, but the cows i eat are free range and grass fed.in the swiss mountains, they aren't even behind fences, so sometime they cross the small roads and you have to slow down.they got it better than me prolly.they just have to eat grass and chill.i have to work a meaningless 9 to 5 to afford basic necessities.
>>42033568>the cows i eat are free range and grass fedAll this does is abstract the exorbitant deaths and suffering required for a few cows to have that amount of range at a price you can afford.
>>42033190I’m finishing my masters this semester then applying for my doctorate. Nice projection leech.
>>42033692you are a retard.a single cow can feed you for almost a decade.all they eat is grass.so that's about one life every 10 years if that's all you eat.if you eat from crop monoculture you directly result in hundreds of animal death per year.>at a price you can affordi pay my meat 120$ per kg, yes it's not cheap, i don't care.
>>42033692>>42033708also land isn't that expansive and cows can turn land that would be otherwise unusable into food.you can't do agriculture on a lot of terrain that can grow grass.
>>42032519>most alien sightins worldwide are in Latin America>but they won't touch meat-eatersAre they looking for that rare White liberal tourist that only eats beggies and onions? Because NO ONE is going to deprive Hispanics of their barbecued meats. That's worth more to them than gold. And I don't blame them. I've tasted their barbecue. It really is that good.
>>42033708>a single cow can feed you for almost a decade.Only true if you're taking the milk to produce lots of cheese with. >i pay my meat 120$ per kg, yes it's not cheap, i don't care.I spent $41 for 2 pounds of smoked brisket yesterday and am having it for dinner tonight. That same amount of meat costed $10 before Biden got into office and the WEF declared that we have too much farting cattle, so we need to "protect the environment" with a shitload of "natural animal flu" outbreaks to cull the herd (while importing millions more mouths to feed). It better be real wood-smoked, and not that nasty chemical-tasting "wood-smoke flavored" bullshit.
>>42033062>Animals can’t create civilizations, write literature, compose symphonies, create fine art.Neither can most humans, only the ones with talent.
>>42032601Animals do yearn to keep lilving, but do not yearn for freedom. This is why vegetarianism (still eating animal biproducts, but not their flesh) is an ethical diet. Eating shellfish is also ethical, because they have no brains or cognitive function.
>>42033442Humans need animal protein, yes, which can be obtained through eggs, dairy, and shellfish, all of which don't require killing sentient creatures.
>>42033734>Only true if you're taking the milk to produce lots of cheese with.the meat can feed you for over a year.you can add another 6 month if you eat organs and bone marrow.if you add milk products you get to a decade.>before Bideni live in switzerland, so not quite the same thing.still, thinking cows contribute to global warming is extremely retarded, they lie in your face and it's easy to disprove that they are bad for the environment.grass fed cows are actualy one of the best things for the environment.>It better be real wood-smokeddunno, i don't buy prepared food, i just buy my meat in bulk, including some organs and bone marrow, it's a mixed batch i get from the farmer.i then cook it myself or eat it like that.
>>42033746>talenttalent helps but with enough training even the most retarded of us generaly can make something that's not too bad.
>>42032513Picrel thumbnail looks like a sphincter. OP is an anus
>>42032513No they wouldn't.You're a fucking retard. Lmfao.Go, point to the plant that has equal protein distribution and is capable of feeding 8 billion.I'll wait.
>>42032513And someone higher than the aliens would be morally justified in treating aliens the way aliens treat human animals.
>>42032595Human babies don’t beg their parents or “doctor” not to circumcise themHumans born permanently and severely mentally handicapped and unable to reason do not beg for their lives >>42032735Yes but it’s less then animal agriculture Vegetables and grain production and transportation kill countless numbers of humans too.Do you have evidence there’s more suffering, death or rights violations on an acre of wheat fields then an acre of wild land?>but grass fed Almost all animal products are grain fed. If you are cherry picking the 1% of animal products that are pasture raised I can cherry pick the 1% of plant products that are farmed veganic
>>42033062https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait#LanguageAnother named trait could possibly be 'civilization/culture', with the argument that it's OK to eat/harm animals because they have neither, while we do.This is another arbitrary line that has no bearing on morality, and while a species being able to have a civilization would show that they are high on the sentience spectrum, the lack of it wouldn't entail lack of moral worth.For civilization, A could say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.P2. Humans have a civilization, but farmed animals do not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.B could then say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.P2. People in the west have a civilization, but tribes and a lot of third worlders do not.C1. It's morally OK for people in the west to eat/harm tribes and a lot of third worlders.
>>42033959>>42033062For culture, A could say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.P2. Humans have a culture, but farmed animals do not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.Culture is not a trait that is unique to humans - chimpanzees, for example, have developed quite strong cultural habits. Not only culture is present in animals, as a lot of species have some level of customs and learned traditions, but culture has no reason to be a moral line that determines what has moral value and what doesn't.B could then say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.P2. Adult humans have a culture, but baby humans do not.C1. It's morally OK for adult humans to eat/harm baby humans.Or:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.P2. Chimpanzees have a culture, but some mentally disabled humans do not.C1. It's morally OK for chimpanzees to eat/harm some mentally disabled humans.The argument usually turns out to be, again, 'might makes right', which is easily shown as something absurd that doesn't hold by bringing in the context super-intelligent AIs/aliens and giving them dominion over humans for their 'superiority'.>>42033157Moral agency is the ability of a being to be able to distinct between morally right and wrong, and make moral judgements.While the majority of animals do not really have moral agency, some show very high levels of empathy similar to the level of humans, that make them act in the best interests of other animals - such as whales, elephants, and primates.However, there's no reason why the ability to have moral agency should define moral value.
>>42033157>>42033963When moral agency is named as a trait, A could say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.P2. Humans have moral agency, and farmed animals do not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.B could then say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.P2. Elephants have some sort of moral agency, and human babies have no moral agency.C1. It's morally OK to allow elephants to eat/harm human babies.Or:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.P2. Humans have moral agency, and dogs to not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm dogs.C2. Dogs have no moral value in respect to humans.C3. It's morally OK for an infinite amount of dogs to be tortured to death on the whim of a person.This is a similar argument to naming the trait 'intelligence' (above).The quality of having moral agency is an arbitrary, unjustified line to determine whether something should be given moral consideration or not, as beings that do not possess moral agency are still sentient (ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively).This usually turns out to be another case of 'might makes right' (X has Z quality that is not present in Y = X>Y). If anything, having moral agency entails more responsibility in regards to morality, not a clean slate of doing whatever we want to the sentient beings that do not have an arbitrary quality.>>42033417It’s also unfortunate when animals kill each other https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag
>>42033436You have power to reduce it An individual consumer buying or boycotting meat causes extra animals to be bred into existence and torturedhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>42033708>if you eat from crop monoculture you directly result in hundreds of animal death per year.FALSE https://www.surgeactivism.org/articles/debunked-do-vegans-kill-more-animals-through-crop-deaths
>>42033985>>42033708More evidence debunking extremely exaggerated crop death claims https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI
>>42032735If you cared about crop deaths as much as you claim to, you would want to end animal farming. After all, about two thirds of the crops grown in the US are grown for animal feed.
>>42032513>Unsanitary, inhumane factory farms.>Used to mass produce meat for fast food chains and walmarts.>Consumer doesn't see the animal suffer and never thinks about where the meat comes from.If everyone had to raise and slaughter their own livestock, they would understand the weight of their sacrifice. I am not against eating meat, but as a species we consume far too much. Another cog in the machine of suffering ((they)) have built, a world upheld up by seven deadly sins.>>42032519Are eggs, milk, and honey fine? I am willing to give up meat, just not for aliens.
>>42032519Kys fag
>>42032513No they wouldnt. See, men arent justified either. But i get your point
>>42032735animals that live 100% of their lives in absolute misery never seeing the sun vs some mice that get to live outside and eat grain in a field wow amazing gotcha way to prove OP's point dumb fuck
>>42034084Eggs, milk, honey, wool, etc are fine
>>42034084Farmers famously never eat meat
I fully I admit I am evil and eat animals for pleasure. You can not touch me
>>42033462>>42033421>>42033070boomer derangement syndrome. Maybe it will be fixed when you are getting blamed for everything in your old age
>>42032513If aliens can't tell the difference between a human and an animal, or at least provide a HEALTHY alternative then I don't want to deal with those egotistical fucks.
>>42032513It's true.Humanity is strogg>crabmurderconveyorbelt.webm
>>42034179ok boomer
some say aliens are more advanced than humansbut what if humans are more advanced than aliens?what if aliens haven't even gotten good space travel yet?
>>42032513We're carnivores
>>42032513why would supremely intelligent, perfect beings use this microcosmic logic on lesser beings that were created without a say in the matter?if they're so perfect and smart and better than us, why wouldn't they just make it not retarded? you know the thing about architecture or building a reality is that you want to do it right the first time.so this is just a garden where we are grown to be eaten, human beings are retarded only because this would be advantageous to the predators and none of this shit on Earth ever mattered.
>>42034272We are opportunistic eaters Nutrients' may be used to try and justify eating animals, but it wouldn't even classify as a trait difference since human meat would have nutrients as well.The 'nutrients' argument can factually be shown as wrong by explaining that all the nutrients a human requires can be found in plant-based foods, without the downsides of animal products.A could say:P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.P3. Animals have the nutrients that humans require to survive.C1. Humans are justified in eating animals.B could then say:P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.P3. Other humans have the nutrients that humans require to survive.C1. Humans are justified in eating humans.The logical process isn't sound, and simply adding another premise would make it apparent as to why.P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.P3. Animals have the nutrients that humans require to survive.P4. Animals are not the only food source that has the nutrients that humans require to survive.C1. Animals as a food source are not needed for humans' survival, so P1. doesn't apply.C2. P1. doesn't justify humans eating animals.Simply explaining P4. will show how this argument makes no sense. If the interlocutor/s argue that survival/necessity doesn't matter and nutrients alone is a justification to eat anything, than a reduction ad absurdum (as shown above) can be made, and they'll have to admit that it's morally OK for humans to cannibalize.
>>42033763No, humans are fine without it, better in fact, normally at least. And how do you know if shellfish are not sentient? Boilling lobsters alive is effed up.
>>42034320Jewish fake soience vegan argument for the goyim.
>>42034119Milk and eggs from factory farms is just as bad.
>>42034337Even though ZEE JUICE!!! push meat on us all the time, they totally want us vegan even though they put babies in our food.
>>42034323Milk is fine for higher evolved beings like white people.
Veganism and veg are psyops to keep you mentally physically and spiritually weak. Que veg fags pointing to some vegan bodybuilder- look! Yeah if every person ate and shit that much just to keep their brain from starving due to lack of fats third world would starve. 40 bananas a day vs a few eggs, some milk and meat and sparse veg and you will be set.
>>42034351Ok brown schizo retard. Enjoy brain damage which you clearly already have.
>Anakin: Master, sir, I heard Yoda talking about midichlorians. I’ve been wondering, what are midichlorians?>Qui-Gon Jinn: Midichlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells.>Anakin: They live inside me?>Qui-Gon Jinn: Inside your cells, yes. And we are symbionts with them. >Anakin: Symbionts?>Qui-Gon Jinn: Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us telling us the will of the Force.
>>42034356I meant in terms of being effed up. Also, are the tribes in Africa that most drink milk(with blood) white?
>>42034374IDK, the SAD does not seem to be working out so great.
>>42034356>>42034393industrialized dairy production requires cows to be forcibly impregnated over and over again while their babies are stripped away from them and subjected to the same fate. its our insanely cruel methods of meat production, as well as egg and dairy production that i think aliens would be appalled by.
>>42034419A twitch streamer was recently allegedly hugged without her consent. She says she's a victim of sexual assault and has received emotional damages, people are talking about lawsuits and extremely large amounts of money being owed to her by the man who allegedly hugged her and twitch itself for failing to adequately protect her. The laws in the United States seem to be written in such a litigious way she may have a case and be owed hundreds of thousands of dollars.But this twitch streamer who was allegedly assaulted isn't vegan. She regularly pays for hens to be debeaked without anesthetic, male chicks to be thrown into blenders on their birthday, piglets to be castrated without anesthetic, pigs to be put in gas chambers, cows and calves to be separated right after birth, pigs and cows to be raped / artificially inseminated, etc etc.Isn't it hypocritical for her to say she's a victim and deserves restitution (like a lawsuit and money being given to her by twitch and the man who allegedly assaulted her) and retribution ( like the man who allegedly assaulted her being imprisoned) while she is paying for so many animals to be horribly abused?I think this woman doesn't deserve a penny in restitution. I believe all of her property down to the clothes on her back should be confiscated from her, liquidated and given to HER victims.https://animalcharityevaluators.org/https://sharkonline.org/http://anonymousforthevoiceless.org/>but murder isn't that badALL MURDERERS SHOULD DIE IN PRISON.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_Bn9SRXNU>but how do you know animals can feel pain?We can assume other adults, children and some animals can feel pain based on things like brain structures they have and behaviors. Claiming pigs, piglets, cows etc can't feel pain is really no different then claiming babies who are circumcised without anesthetic can't feel pain. (Obviously it's also immoral with anesthetic)
>>42034323>And how do you know if shellfish are not sentient?Clams, oysters, etc. have no brains and therefor couldn't possibly be sentient. Shrimp have brains that are way too small for any degree of complex thought.
>In its inclusion of all nature, the old Mazdean religion even in its pre-Zoroastrian roots, is notable, for the Magi taught that all life, not merely the human, had a higher destiny. This was a basic Mazdean tenet, extending not only to animals but plants as well, and even crystals and minerals. Indeed, at the end of "the time of the long domination by evil", all the life of the earth is due to be transfigured. –Grail Most Ancient, Musaios, House of Horus, 1993
>>42034947nta Shrimp may be able to suffer I’m not sure I think oysters can’t https://benthams.substack.com/p/lyman-stone-continues-being-dumbhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0MHshBjRTX4
>Our race evolved from a specific cosmic impulse which produces a particular evolutionary strain or genotype. This primary impulse formulated the genetic code that shaped us into the species we ultimately became. For your visualization, the nearest description would be a feline genus appearing as a cross between your domestic cat and the lion family, but our features are more refined. Our jaws are less elongated and our ears less rounded than your lions. We stand erect on two legs as tall or taller than yourselves, our bodies having been adapted to this posture over a long period of time. The males of our species are maned, but not our females. Our paws have also evolved to a more useful shape over long periods of adaptation.>In answer to the question I see forming in your mind, yes we do have tails.>We were distinguishable by our colour and eyes. My tribe were brownish or fawn in colour with bright blue eyes. The warriors were orange-eyed and sandy in hue, like your lions or marmalade cats. The artists were pale, white or greyish, and green or turquoise-eyed, while the strong folk were a mixture of all shades, and often striped. When we first started our course of evolution we were fur covered, but later we clothed ourselves for decoration rather than modesty. Our planet was very sparsely inhabited, only certain parts of it being warm enough to live in. One of these belts of vegetation was quite lush, while the other was similar in temperature to parts of northern Europe. Our bodies had evolved to accommodate the temperatures encountered on our native planet, so we managed well.>I would like to give you a little of our history and background so that you have an idea as to what sort of intelligences you are dealing with.
>>42034397Industrial agriculture regardless of your stance on meat vs veg diet will always produce vastly inferior results if health is your goal. But you knew that already…
>>42032513I don't think "morally justified" is even a thing outside of the human mental construct.But, to use another human construct, humans don't "deserve" anything different than your scenario.
>>42035088Are the lion people vegans too you massive cucc faggot retard? Get fucked.
>>42035108They stopped eating animals as they evolved.
>>42032513Who's we
>>42035113Wrong. They ate more animals than ever as they evolved. Tell the truth devil
>>42035149I'm telling you the truth... you shouldn't eat the animals. And if you do eat meat on a Friday, you will be accursed appropriately.
>>42035168"the animals" as you call them, are full of nutrition. They're made for eating
>In our more primitive times we did tend to think of ourselves as superior to other life forms with which we shared the planet (a stage through which you have been passing for several thousand years), although we were aware that there were certain trees and plants that were more advanced than ourselves, and these we naturally treated with much respect and a great deal of fear, especially during our very primitive stages. Later we came to learn that all life forms are equal in that each contributes something essential to the whole.>However, we never went out of our way to attack or persecute those we saw as our inferiors and they were careful to keep their distance from us, although, like your lions, we all drank from the same water hole, metaphorically speaking; that is, each knowing the right time to leave, or stand back for the others.
>>42035199You were warned...
>>42032513>morallyIffy
>>42032513what if they already treat us like animals? No that they eat us, but take us and extract blood samples, etc
>>42034947>>42035003Still best to avoid eating them.
>>42035570I agree
>>42034467why are you fixated on a twitch streamer lol you sound like an insane person
>>42035828I’m not I also hate people like the black guy who quit Tesla and made millions because of mean words and drawings and also the woman who got 8 million from uber for being raped. I hate hypocrisy, double standards and liars.
>>42035850lmao ok man
>>42035570No reason whatsoever to avoid eating oysters, the odds of them feeling anything are the same as the odds of a plant or fungus feeling something.
>>42036243I think he meant shrimp
>>42033985cool WEF sponsored graph, what a shame that it's false.it's not even a proper chart, animals killed per what ?what a retarded reply serioulsy...
>>42033985>>42036388also, even if that were true (which it isn't), grains aren't food.i'm done arguing with vegtard seriously, i wasted hours on it and i always and up winning the argument, at that point you guys have nothing new to say i've not addressed in the past and it has just become tiresome.you keep repeating lies.have fun with your diet, it will either kill you or you will abandon it.
>>42036399>>42036388It’s obviously per 1 million calories
>>42036415well fully grass fed beef + its milk derivative is < 0.1.and grains are MUCH higher than that.they are close to 100 direct death per 1M and if you count the indirect ones you get closer to 300 to 500.
>>42032519OK cringe larper
>>42036432>well fully grass fed beef + its milk derivative is < 0.1Are you including the deaths of animals from clearing the land used to raise the cows?Also cows which are fed exclusively grass are very rare. Like I said before if you will cherry pick the 1% that is fully grass fed I can cherry pick the 1% of plant agriculture that is veganic >and grains are MUCH higher than that.they are close to 100 direct death per 1M and if you count the indirect ones you get closer to 300 to 500.Source? Because studies which make claims with numbers like those like Mike Archer’s 2011 article “Ordering the vegetarian meal? There’s more animal blood on your hands,” have been thoroughly debunked https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI
>>42032513>MorallyMorality shouldn't have anything to do with it. They would simply be objectively correct to treat us that way because that's how life works dipshit. Everything is conflict, violence, hierarchies. Humans are justified in the way we treat animals as well. Morals don't exist, it's just a word we use to describe what objectively works best for us as a collective which tends to be not raping and murdering and doing horrible shit that rocks the boat. Morality is subjective and people set their own standard for what it is because of course it's just another thing people use to feel superior to others, as expected from any living intelligent things. Fuck your morals, retard. Eat or be eaten is the fucking law and anything "good" we do, we do to satisfy our egos and control others or feel superior. Fuck those chickens, fuck human beings. Those chickens serve one purpose and that's food. What's the alternative, let every other animal but humans multiply without human interference until...what? To what end? The only reason their living situation needs to be better is so we can prevent bacteria and such. Get with the program retard. If and when aliens come to earth to dominate I fully expect the same treatment and I couldn't fault them for it. If they're getting what they want out of us that's all that matters, the only good they'll finish the good that helps them and I guarantee they aren't concerned with the way humans will judge them for how they do it. The ultimate force in existence isn't love, it's violence and confrontation and control and feelings of superiority with just enough faking that that's not the way it is in order to get what we want from each other.
>>42036494What if all the people who don’t believe in might makes right (the majority of humans) decide to kill all humans who believe might makes right?
>>42036477>clearing the land used to raise the cowsretard, grassland is grassland, there was no clearing to be done.and even if you had to that's something you would do only once, so that's kind of irrelevant, over a few decades it'd basicaly amount to nothing.and nice double standard when you don't take into account the clearing of the land for monoculture crap.>fed exclusively grass are very rarenot in switzerland, and idgaf about rare or not, it's doable and the meat i eat is produced this way.also, the cows that are fed "corn" are genraly not given the grain but the parts that are inedible to humans (which is most of the plant) ie the stem etcif you truely care about reducing animal death you'd actualy still farm cows and feed them on things human cannot eat, same thing with chickens fed on waste.>muh le debunkit's always lies and omissions.and don't even get me started on the logistic of moving such food produces with meat being much more caloricaly dense than plant foods, ie, less trucks for the same amount of energy.and anyway, that's a moot point, a vegan diet will kill you, it is not suitable for humans.
>>42036494Wow you are such a big strong alpha male chad. Why are you posting on 4chan on a friday night instead of slaying pussy?
>>42036751>"Currently" is key it's not inherently inedible but not eaten by humans today due to taste, nutrition, or processing.Inedible" Is a Semantic Dodge It's Opportunity Cost: The 86% includes "currently not eaten" stuff like grass/pasture (51% of feed) and crop residues (19%), but these tie up land that could grow human food directly. Pastures often replace forests/biodiverse habitats; residues/byproducts (<25–30% of feed) aren't "waste" but require massive crop production (e.g., 36% of global crops go to feed, yielding just 12% human calories). Vegan response: Why grow 3.2 kg edible feed for 1 kg pork when you could eat the feed? U.S. grain for livestock alone could feed ~800M people.Efficiency Ignores Calorie/Protein Loss: The 2.8–3.2:1 ratios sound "modest," but they measure weight, not nutrition. Animal products return ~10–30% of input calories/protein (e.g., beef: 1–3% efficiency). Poore & Nemecek (2018, cited by vegans) shows shifting to plant-based diets could free 76% of ag land (3.1B ha), including 19% of arable, while feeding the world—your "1.3B ha grassland access" (2B - 700M) ignores this scalability.Land/Grassland Framing Hides Deforestation and Unsustainability: 40% arable + 2B ha grass sounds like "free" biomass, but grass-fed systems drive >50% tropical deforestation and can't scale to meet demand (would need 2–3x Earth's land). Converting 700M ha to cropland? Ecologically disastrous, per IPCC/vegan analyses. Plus, cereals (1/3 global) are prime human food why feed to pigs?Broader Critiques: Skeptics note the study underplays monogastric waste (poultry/pork eat ~80% human-edible feed in some regions).https://awellfedworld.org/issues/hunger/feed-vs-food/https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/53522/is-86-of-the-food-fed-to-livestock-unfit-for-human-consumption-and-is-most-of
>>42036751There’s examples of people born to parent who were vegan for years before conceiving them, fully vegan pregnancy, born vegan and lived on vegan diet for their entire life who are healthy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts
>>42036751>if you truely care about reducing animal death you'd actualy still farm animals and feed them on things human cannot eat, same thing with chickens fed on waste.No because there’s externalities. It’s better to not farm animals at all and codify animal rights into law.
>>42036830they are all lies.if you feed a baby a vegan diet he'll have severe brain development issues and possibly die.
>>42036842seriously shut the fuck up.and death isn't realy bad, if the animal are taken care of, the death painless and have they have a reasonable lifespan.
>>42036753The fuck does that have to do with anything? Say any of it is wrong and explain why you believe it's wrong or shut the fuck up. I'll never understand how someone can miss the fucking point this hard and spout completely unrelated shit and think nothing of it. I'm not wrong and if you just take a look around you could see that.
>>42036500Doesn't matter if you believe in it, that's how it works. Either you're on the dominating side or the side that's easy to dominate. Might makes right isn't just about killing either, it's in the way people look at each other, talk to each other, the way people walk. Everything we do is just a representation of underlying fundamental functions and forces. Believe what you want, human nature works no different than literally everything else in nature and you can't simply decide to separate from it. You don't have to be violent, you are part of a hierarchy everywhere you go and that hierarchy is constantly working itself out through the friction in interactions with people and the rest of your environment. Within families, friend groups, work environments, people on the street. Confrontation, friction, yin and yang. These are fundamental and beyond the confines of belief. Might makes right will never go away, it will only be refined, given new labels, definitions. A few peaceful people that don't subscribe to this are the exception to the rule and likely still support some iteration of the rule and they undoubtedly are still a part of the natural order. If you don't fight back somehow to some degree, you're eaten alive physically or emotionally and everyone fucking knows it. That's why dipshits like this>>42036753Are on here getting angry while mistaking my account of reality for tough guy shit. It's because he can't hack it in person as he knows it. Anyway your question answers itself. Using might to kill people that use might just proves the point.
>>42032513I would force them to kill me before I live like that for a day, and if they don't kill me I'd be killing them
>>42037006Cope and seethe. Dilate your neo vagina and swiftly kill your self.
