I am going to megadose MSM to try and have a lucid dream, some anons were saying that it is one of the best supplements for that. I have had lucid dreams before, usually what happens is this: I wake up in the early morning, usually 4 or 5am, and then as I am trying to fall back asleep, I start having hypnagogic hallucinations, 90% of the time its just this buzzing sound that I hear that feels like its getting closer and overwhelming me. Eventually the buzzing overtakes me and I instantly go into a lucid dream, immediately going from a wake to dream, fully conscious the entire time. I can never control anything major in my lucid dreams, I've tried but it never worked, and they always end really quickly. Sometimes this process happens multiple times in a row to me, so I'll have 4 or 5 miniature lucid dreams all in a row.What are your experiences with lucid dreams? How successful are you are getting them? Do you use supplements? I've heard people say that having out of body experiences is way better than lucid dreaming, and once they could achieve that they stopped trying to get lucid dreams.
Nightmares where you get tricked into thinking you woke up and are safe, but somethings everso slightly off
>>42073748One time I had multiple false awakenings in a row, and in the last one this entity rushed towards me and then I woke up for real. I don't know if I would call that experience true nightmares because they were so short, only seconds long each time.
I read those posts earlier last week and ordered some myself. Took about a teaspoon before bed along with some valerian root powder. I had a dream so vivid that I literally could not tell I was dreaming until I thought it a bit weird that my house had 3 floors instead of two. The vividness of the dream was extremely immersive, without the usual sensory weirdness that usually comes with dreams. I mean that all of my senses felt like normal instead of dull or scattered or non existent. It was certainly strange.I do recommend one thing: get the capsules if you can, the powder is quite bitter and doesn't taste good in general.
>>42073700Take valerian root too
>>42073700b6, 5-htp, and green tea.melatoninnicotine patchchantixauvelity
>>42073808Did you ever compare MSM to valerian root to see which one gives better effects? Or did you always take them together?
NAC & B6
>>42073934Thanks for confirming. Now everyone knows you’re just a fucking tourist.
>>42073700The most vivid dreams i've had were during breaks from weed, smoking ciggarettes and putting nicotine patches on my body before bed, as far as lucid dreaming goes, it's pretty random, I have a moment of clarity in my dream stating "wait a minute, this doesn't make any logical sense" realising I'm dreaming and try to play the dream scene like i'm in virtual reality spinning in circles to delay waking up or I start thinking i'm dead and cut the dream short. Maybe start a dream journal so you can know when you're dreaming if your dreams have similar environments and scenarios that differ from your waking life
>>42073978>touristhow tf does that even work in this context? A tourist about vitamins? You fucking retard?
>>42073934NAC acts as an antioxidant for, among other things, dopamine receptors. Dopamine domes dreams
>>42073989The few times I have had normal dreams turn into lucid dreams, it was never caused by myself realizing illogical things are happening, I would just somehow realized that I'm in a dream with seemingly no trigger for it. As for keeping a dream journal, I have done it before, but I am always very inconsistent with it, the last time I wrote about my dreams was late January of this year. I don't think I can really find a consistent theme in my dreams, other than they really aren't very exciting, the scenarios I dream of are usually pretty tame, and even if not, I never remember myself feeling excited in events where I should have been.
>>42073808Okay, I just went out and got some. Do you have a recommended dose to take for each supplement?
>>42073921I noticed better effects from valerian but sulphur is probably healthy for you too>>42073934These didn’t work for me
>>42074438It’s been awhile but I think I maxed out at 1000 mg. Enjoy the stinky feet pills.
I haven't tried MSM for lucid dreams, but I have tried galantamine and it did help me remember my dreams. I only took 4 mg though. I might have needed to take more to get more lucidity. So something else to try instead of or with MSM.
galantamine is the the #1 best but you can only do it once every so often. Next best is Huperazine A, 3rd best is valerian root and Mugwort. All with wbtb.Galnt and Hupe will not send you lucid dream though it will send you to NDE
>>42075102>Galnt and Hupe will not send you lucid dream though it will send you to NDEThat's fucked
>>42075112Its fucked in that it will change your life like a dmt or high dose shroom/lsd/dxm trip will.But it's reality, and you will see the afterlife
I took this stuff from Amazon which has stuff like Galantamine mugwort and some other good stuff yet it did shit all for me. Maybe the other stuff isn't that great? Or the dosage isn't right?I've tried it many nights, sometimes taking breaks between, and even once a double dose, and all it did was give me a headache. I'm not the very best sleeper so maybe that has something to do with it but I didn't have any Lucid dreams on this stuff.
>>42075043Did you try galantamine specifically to get lucid dreams, or just to help remember dreams? I would think that supplementing to aid in dream recall would be unnecessary. You can find plenty of testimonies online about how keeping a dream journal is massively helpful in remembering dreams, and I can say the same for myself.
>>42075173Did you take it before bed? You are supposed to take it after your 1st or second rem cycle.aka, you go to bed at 11pm, then wake up at 3am to pee, and thats when you are supposed to take galantamine
>>42075386Yeah I tried both. Only really "worked" the first time I ever did that. But all that happened was the dream had me going up to everyone saying that it was a dream. I didn't gain lucidity, it was just a very meta plot related dream
>>42073767rc every morning the instant you wake up
>>42075400idk then, try it some more.Everytime I take it I get lots of astral projections and 20+ dreams that seem to go on for months.I take the brand "lucidamine"
>>42073700Its not hard to lucid dream mate just takes some practice and effort. I can't accidentally lucid dream generally. But I can if I start trying as I sleep. For me I made a habbit about thinking how your hands never look right in your dreams. So if I dream and I look at my hands and they are disfigured, now I know in my dream that I am dreaming. At first I used to then wake up, but eventually I could keep the dream going and change it to my will without waking up almost always.A lot of them tend to be dreams you remember so its like they get stored as memory in the tau protein markers.
>>42075405I think that I will probably start doing this, along with doing random reality checks throughout the day. I'd assume that this has helped you multiple times to realize you were dreaming, but I'm wondering how long it took to start being effective?
>>42073700I've had a few lucid dreams. The two I remember the most was I was sitting at a table talking to someone in a crowded room like a bar or dining hall and realized I was dreaming and everyone in the room stopped what they were doing and stared at me like they were waiting for instructions. The second one I was talking to my sister and realized I was dreaming and tried to convince her it was a dream so I walked up a wall to prove it. A third one that is a bit hazey now I decided to fly because I could. Would be neat to be able to lucid dream on command so I could experience little adventures or explore the dream state and soundboard with my own consciousness.
>>42075448expectation expectation expectation
Okay I'm going to bed now so I'll be taking these. 4000mg of MSM940mg of valerian root I'll report back when I wake up tomorrow
>>42076594Nymphaea caerulea
>>42076594>4000mg of Mainstream Media
>>42073700>>42076594>>42075173>>42075386>>42074512
>>42075334I went to the Monroe Institute and some of the other attendees recommended it to help induce lucid dreams.
>>42073700it seems strange to me that people struggle to do what i managed to do naturally.you can remain awake and aware throughout the entire time your body is completely at rest.. asleep.there is a lot to see there.. a lot to learn. things you can discover about our existence that you can directly perceive and verify, at least, in some particular few circumstances.humans are such a disappointment. reactions to this will be mixed.. all manner of declaration that this is not possible and that you have some foundation to stand on, the blind accusing the sighted of also having no sight.. that sight cant exist.. i spent almost the entirety of my 20s in a complete aware lucid state.. spent years literally not unaware at any time.. day or night.. except for a brief period shortly after making the body so calm that the senses were only feeding the mind a deep darkness.. then there is about a 15 minute period of nothing.. yea thats an estimate and not the product of a science project scanning the brain.. just my best estimate. it becomes obvious that someone out there has a lot of information that they are not sharing with the public.. in the media certain images are used that could only be known to someone who had engaged in direct cognitive perception.. or 'dream' if you are limited to calling it that.you can use lenses in many ways.just owning two lenses does not immediately grant you the powers of a microscope or of a telescope.. and the use of the mind for direct cognitive perception is no different.here you are talking about opening the door for a tiny moment.. not even a full night.it hurts my sensibilities to see this.
>>42077892control? what do you control of the waking physical world? if you notice, people affected with autism are directing their focus. lenses. you see what you focus on. this is more true with the mind than even with lenses. with the mind you can see what you focus on even when it is not there to see.. so what do you do? focus on seeing what is actual. focus on seeing the 'real' and 'tangible'.reality has a lot more going on that people are noticing.how successful? i had to learn to shut it off. the key is learning how to retain the memory of the night. you are having a full separate existence in extensions of our reality that you only perceive while out of body during 'sleep'. it happens to some extent every time you sleep. you have to learn how to remember. the key to this is that the sleep phase consciousness is seeing in a more dim phase of 'light', that is to say.. that the brain holds the full context with a slighter electrical signature.. it can be compared to showing a movie in a dim theater.. and projecting the movie in very dim light.. you see it only when your eyes are adjusted to the dim room.. once you turn on the regular lights the dim movie can no longer be seen. when you wake up.. if you move even a muscle.. even an eyelid.. you activate a neurological activity level that blinds you to the dim view of the sleep phase consciousness.
>>42077900chemicals might be a factor. as a matter of full disclosure i can point out i was involved in the mk ultra type programs. there were very strong chemicals involved in the events of interaction with the agency types responsible.the big deal is not the time when the chemicals are present.. but in how you manage your consciousness after the effects are faded.learn to manage your memory. examine your own past. does not matter what is there.. it matters that you can see it.. and see it as clearly now as you saw it then. eidetic memory.. photographic memory.. whatever you want to call it.. you need to be able to 'see' into your own mind.. to examine your own memories. you have 'dreams' every night.. an entire series of them in different foundational contextual substrate environments.. full engagement with other consciousnesses.. the problem is not in causing an uncommon unnatural psychoactive event to occur; the problem is with your ability to remember the subtle and mundane reality you are living out of body every time you drift away from full wakeful consciousness.
>>42077900>A lot more than people are noticing..AutoSpellWrecker strikes again..
reposting it
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>>42076594Update: The experiment was a complete failure I went to bed at around 11:30pm and was very nervous, I was trying to relax but I could feel my heart beating faster than normal. I seemed to be staying awake for what seemed like forever. I don't remember how long I stayed awake, but eventually I guess I fell asleep. I woke back up at around 4am. At first I thought that I never slept and stayed awake for hours, but I think its more probable that I did fall asleep at some point. I think I stayed awake for about an hour, or maybe an hour and a half, before falling asleep again. I then slept all the way until a little after 10am. I woke up feeling worse than normal, and I don't remember any dreams. I find it improbable that I would sleep for 5 straight hours and not go into REM sleep, but maybe my sleep was so bad that that is what happened. Or maybe I did have dreams, but the supplements didn't work and they weren't anything special so they weren't significant enough to remember.
>>42078147you learnt your lesson, now stop taking shortcuts and learn to lucid dream by practice.
>>42078147failure is a matter of bias.don't evaluate the results.. only be honest with yourself about what you remember. if it is little or nothing then seek to perceive the boundaries of what you were able to see. look deeply at your memory of whatever you are able to recall. no judgement needed. you see what you see.. whatever that is be honest with yourself and then find the boundary. find the liminal threshold. examine that spot. you know you can get back there.. so aim for that.. and then go just a tiny bit further if that is all you can manage.progress is gradual. don't expect all at once.there is a lot to learn. more than you could handle if you get it all at once. pointless to aim for that.the tiny steps.. being able to discern them.. is the real foundation you will have to build upon.there is no such thing as failure. take what you have and work with it. be honest with yourself. what you have got is what you have got. don't deceive yourself with illusion. if it looks like it might be illusion or imagination examine it with that in mind. you are seeing something.it is natural to be disoriented. imagine waking up from a drunken bender and not knowing where you are.. and the first thing you see is a blinding light.. sunrise shining across the surface of a lake.. you can't see clearly due to the bright sun. looking into your near term recent memories of the events of the preceding night can be like this.even once you can remember you still wont know exactly what you are seeing.. it takes time and experience. repeated exploration into the fringes.one real experience will be the game changer. once you have seen a taste of the 'real' that exists beyond the tangible physical you will know that it exists.. even if you have no comprehension and are completely disoriented. disoriented is not automatically a bad thing. you have to perceive something to get to that stage.. its a tiny step towards orientation to the context of out of body consciousness.
>>42075102>Galnt and Hupe will not send you lucid dream though it will send you to NDECan you explain? I've done galantamine a bunch and it didn't feel that different than lucid dreaming without it.
>>42078147Do the 5-htp method before bedB6, and green tea help with it metabolizing into serotonin in the brain.But you will wake up to hallucinations of people being in the room with you, and if you're lucky you will be able to get OoBE
Bump
>>42073700The cocktail that works is CDP-choline and a nicotine patch not taken off before bed. You cannot consum THC it'll dampen total lucidity. You also have to know what you're looking for, you will only be able to ride the dream for a short moment the first time. Meditate on your lucid dream moments in waking. Don't change or ater anything about the dream in meditation, just make it slower, try to sustain it for longer in memory without changing the dream.
I remember the mix was Choline and Galantamine. Tried it a few times and I guess had some what success. But didn't abuse it too much. This was back in like 2011 though.
>>42073700Never heard of MSM before.
>>42075417This. Reality check with your hands, the way I got it to work was looking at my hand once every hour irl and I asked myself "am I in a dream?" as I checked my hands. Within a couple of weeks this became a habit in my dreams too and my hands were always fucked up. Works really well with naps during the day I find.
>>42073700Add in some b12 and valerian root supplements.
>>42073700this nigga cartilagemaxxing
>>42075102>Galnt and HupeCan i get some more info on these?
>>42076594>>42078147i love you dude only you are willing to try and i respect that G
>>42073700>I can never control anything major in my lucid dreams, I've tried but it never worked, and they always end really quickly.That's sad. I can fly around, shoot laser beams, have super speed/strength, and telekinesis. A few LDs ago I even managed to do hollow purple.
>>42076594>>>42073700I tried your mixture,woke up at the middle of the night from a very vivid dream that I couldn't remeber
>>42083592>>42075417One of the things that you might not even notice while 'dreaming' is that on occasion you are seeing through the consciousness of another.. person or creature or being.. or of as anything imbued with the signature of consciousness.. to see from its perspective.Becoming well oriented to the context of our of body consciousness requires understanding of the various contexts that you can be perceiving from.Noticing that your hands are different is a good method.. but keep looking for other things. It's literally true that different bloodline heritage groups have differing characteristics in their behavior while out of body. Not everyone is seeing the same thing or type of things in the same contexts.. if you are exploring cognitive presence in out of body experience this is something you have to learn to navigate.>>42083924Remembering what you have seen is really the only obstacle that is preventing everyone from having the types of experience I am describing here. Once you know what you are seeing is at least some form of 'real' the burden of responsibile reaction is to develop the ability to remember. For me, because I realized that the only mechanism that would exist to bring the memory into my full conscious awareness was the ability to accurately recall, turning to the concept of mnemonics. I read several books by various people who had been involved in stage performance memory demonstrations such as remembering the name of everyone in a studio audience after only being introduced to them one time as they entered. If you are going to be able to remain conscious you are still going to have to be clear enough to execute one of those techniques to be able to retain the entire memory.
>>42084015>>42083924Every single time you sleep you are involved in some manner of out of body engagements with things that are persistent and tangible.. and some of those things have direct physical influence over the events of the physical world. Again, the context of what you are perceiving is a necessary component for you to develop actual contextual orientation to what you are perceiving. For most people the memories are like running in the mirror room in a carnival fun house.. they don't understand what they are seeing.
>>42073700Just wear a nicotine patch when you go to bed
>>42084015>Becoming well oriented to the context of OUT of body consciousness requires understanding of the various contexts that you can be perceiving from.AutoSpellWrecker corrected incorrectly
For some weird reason diphenhydramine gives me lucid dreams very often. I guess it's cause I always imaging having a lucid dream before falling asleep and this helps you fall asleep very quickly. Bet this also would go nicely with the WILD technique, but never tried that. Don't take too much though and don't take em often.
You people seem to talk about dream as if it is not an aspect of your own consciousness in a very real context beyond your physical body. You can see dream with other people who are also able to see and both of you remember the same scenes. It's pretty common for those who have native American heritage. Relying on chemicals to make you see is like trying to run in the Olympics on crutches. Special Olympics jokes aside you really have to aim higher than a crutch assisted sprint. I was doing this at the level of a daily marathon for years within the context of this analogy. The problem is not best solved with drugs. Some people just want an excuse to indulge so there's that..
>>42087221Dietary supplements are not indulging in drugs anon.Share your method of lucid dreaming then.
>>42078147rc with nose pinch breath in as many times as possible per day until it's a habit. supplements, edison pencil drop, other rcs/induction methods, dream journal, snoozing can work sometimes but that rc made habitual will work no matter what with enough practice. ultimately you have to give your self the intention to ld and then forget about your desire to have an ld. similar to telling yourself to wake up at 6 am for a meeting, and your body wakes you up at 555am. healthy lifestyle too helps everything of course.
>>42073841>chantixaka “VARENICLINE"AVOID AT ALL COSTS!! The side effects of this drug are very serious and potentially deadly (no exaggeration). Someone very close to me had their life turned upside down by taking it for only two months; random food allergies triggered anaphylaxis resulting in fourteen ER visits in a five-month timespan. If that wasn’t bad enough, psychological side effects arose as well; random aggressiveness, hyper-emotional states, dissociation, and delusions of persecution. These took years to subside. This is not a one-off report; many people who’ve taken varenicline have reported strange and debilitating side effects. There are other drugs and supplements which are far safer and more effective at causing vivid dreams than this crap. DO NOT take it!!
>>42088700Thats fucked up. Thanks for the warning.
>>42088662Stay alert and aware as a reality check. Think "mk ultra" stress conditioning test if you don't understand what that means. Learn to remain conscious as you are putting your body to sleep. Focus on the process and stay aware observing until your senses are no longer sending you an image of the world around you. If chemical enhancements are needed keep to things that are present in nature and even then insure that they are not addictive or known to cause health issues, mental or otherwise. There are exceptions to this but there is a lot of material available that can be harmful. There are many things that you can perceive. Experience is the only real method to attain real knowledge. Second hand reports can be a sort of guidance if they have adequately described the situation for you to recognize when you are seeing the same type of encounter.. but you have to verify it with your own perception or continue to be honest with yourself about what you have direct observation of. Eventually you can see clearly as you are returning to your body and see clearly as you reenter it. Don't move a muscle during this blended phase of consciousness until you have reviewed the entire memory of what you were doing before you returned to your body. You will need to be honest with yourself about every detail of your recollection. You can study mnemonic devices to make yourself able to remember the entire series of scenes and events of the entire span of the time you were 'sleeping'
>>42075043>>42075102Isn't galantamine hard to get now (in the US)? I thought it was scheduled or something
>>42090413You can get it off Amazon.
>>42090433Huh, I checked awhile ago and it was all "prescription required", now I see the OTC ones. Thanks man.
>>42083924At least you remember that you did have a vivid dream even if you couldn't remember what it was about, better than not even being able to remember if you dreamt or not.
>>42083710I think I'm going to dream journal for a week to get my dream recall kick-started again, and then redo the experiment and see what happens. I have a feeling that that night I could have had dreams but since I haven't written down my dreams for over a month my brain is not in the correct state to remember them properly.
>>42073700I heard that chelated Magnesium was great to given some fairly wild vivid dreams. Though it doesn't seem the one I got does it, it is fairly good for stress/anxiety though.
>>42073700
If you want vivid dream I suggest adding pic related to your stack.
>>42078147Anon you still alive?
What kind of lucid dream powers should I look to develop?
>>42095129I got to the point I was seeing the threshold between sleep and waking as clear as a diver looking at the boundary between submerged and above the surface of the water.. was literally going back to my body to get back into fully conscious before during and after the process and able to remember the entire night of activity while out of body. There is a lot you can see.It's not illusion. You just have to learn how to stay conscious and aware. Perhaps the chemicals of Sydney Gottlieb were responsibile for my alertness. Mk ultra trauma based conditioning was a part of my early life.. but I did this on my own years later and I think it's available to everyone. Not everyone is willing to make the effort. Once I discovered that I was seeing reality while sleeping I was dedicated to the point I would have been willing to die for the the knowledge. I made the effort and brought it into view. Anyone else can too. It's there to be discovered Native American heritage groups have been doing this for thousands of years.. seek by means of the spirit and they will find you
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>>42078147I have had this happen before!I had taken Calea Zacatechichi in an attempt to lucid dream/have more vivid dreams.I took it an hour before bed and got this sort of hyperaware anxiety. I don't remember falling asleep that night and didn't dream, but I remember the sound of my neighbor's windchimes blowing for what seemed like 10 hours.The trick I found is that if you're taking something to enhance lucid dreaming you want to take it in your absolute LAST moment of lucidity preferably with melatonin and people you love or trust sleeping nearby.In fact the next time I took Calea Zacatechichi I had four extremely vivid dreams in one night using the last moment of consciousness methodI stopped taking the plant, but probably not coincidentally I had my first truly lucid dream two weeks later. It was a false awakening where, after leaving my bedroom, I looked to my left and saw nothing but a black void. At that moment, I made the conscious decision to walk upstairs while dreaming.Unfortunately I've found that creative and vivid dreams are much easier to have when there is an external stressor in your life. Not an immediate problem, but a lingering threat like a big test coming up in a week or a dying relative or pet.I hypothesize that subliminal, external threats keep your brain awake enough to wrestle control away from the dream, but not awake enough to make it too hard to sleep. Most of those pills will simulate that anxiety feeling even if you take it while awake so need to be taken with a bit more respect than internet hippies lead on.Let me know if you have any questions!
>>42095129Try staying still and entering into the same state of mind that got you into the lucid dream in the first placeIt's hard to not just go do stuff, but if you pull this off you'll see something quite extraordinary.
>>42073700>90% of the time its just this buzzing sound that I hear that feels like its getting closer and overwhelming me. Eventually the buzzing overtakes me and I instantly go into a lucid dream, immediately going from a wake to dream, fully conscious the entire timeFor me it's more like i'm vibrating, I can sometimes ride it into a dream but most of the time it just slips away and I'm back to waiting.
>>42073700Lucid dream enough and you’ll get stuck with a sleep paralysis demon, until your dreams bleed into your waking hours. You might have bouts with fuge states or multiple personality disorder.
>>42097959Interesting theory.This is consistent with the circumstances of my earliest experiences with deliberately being out of body in dream. The way I described it at the time was that I had found a place where I was secure.. safe. Away from the people. The people were the young cia assets that were responsible for handing the conditioning sessions after the initial trauma based conditioning session.The initial session was a big enough deal it had to be done Away from the house at a special facility set up for the purpose.. but the subsequent sessions were possible to be done in any space they could secure for the purpose near my house. At that point in time I discovered that I could see outside of body in dream.. and though I didn't have any rational explanation for who this small team was i was able to avoid them when our of body in dream.In the dream they would come towards me from the stairwell at the other end of the building and I would run towards them going up invisible stairs to a place just above the sidewalk but invisible. They lost sight of me as soon as I was on the first stairs.. and they couldn't see me even when they went right underneath I had found a place where I could have peace.. I was 5 and 6 living at that location.I didn't tell anyone about that.. i would wake up completely aware that I had been fully conscious during sleep.. it was just a 'dream' but it felt very real and it was my most conscious awareness of the cia operatives that had been present in my life on a few occasions at that point.The other memories of them were usually blurred away by the effects of powerful psychoactive chemicalsCalling them 'young' might be my perspective from now.. but at the time even the youngest of them were early teens or young adults.. in the dream vision of them they were wearing black like that picture of Mosley and his peers.. but they had hair that looked like the movie Logan's Run. This was 1973 and 1974.
>>42097959>last moment of consciousness methodWhat's that?
>>42099767Pretty much not taking any drug meant for activating while you are asleep until you are JUST about to fall asleep. Keep some water by your bed. You don't start dreaming immediately on sleep so it could accidentally activate too early and mess everything up.The only exception to this is melatonin which should be taken 30-45 minutes (based on your genetics) before falling asleep.Also all those habits for lucid dreaming never seemed to work for me EXCEPT for waking up in the middle of the night for a few seconds and falling back asleep
