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There's been so many different people who have had their lives transformed because of Jesus:

https://www.youtube.com/@delafetestimonies/videos

We can't ignore these amazing testimonies.

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I know these threads always attract significant opposition, but I want all of you to know that I'm praying for your salvation. God loves you.

"Christ died for us while we were still sinners. This demonstrates God’s love for us." (Romans 5:8, GW)

HOW CAN IT BE SO DARK IF I LIVE IN A TIME LINE WITH JUDAS FUCKING PRIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>42093444
There are a lot of people especially in this modern age who are suffering. Many are lonely, depressed, suffering from mental ailments, and wasting their lives chasing after carnal pleasures that never fulfill them. We all need God to save us from ourselves.

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever." (1 John 2:15-29, ESV)

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I often enjoy sharing holy music in these threads:

Musica Sacra - Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLLdTN5KCQ

"The Lord makes me strong.
He keeps me safe like a shield.
I trust in Him completely,
and He has helped me.
I am very happy,
and I will thank Him with my songs."

(Psalm 28:7, EASY)

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Here is another youtube channel that has great testimonies:

https://www.youtube.com/@HeavenEncounterswithRandyKay/videos

I sincerely hope that some of these will help inspire all of you to follow Jesus. Each of us need Him very much, especially in these days.

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>>42093505
Ex-satanist, ex-witch, ex-gang member...no one is too far gone to be saved!

"Change your hearts and lives! Turn back to God so that your sins may be wiped away." (Acts 3:19, CEB)

>>42093417
You seem like a like-minded person so i wonder whats stopping you from seeing the darkness in god. This darkness had to have come from somewhere, it had to have been put here by god. But why? What kind of love makes you to inflict a lifetime of suffering upon others? I most certainly wouldnt create this kind of world

>>42093417
its exile anon. lamentations that our fathers did not fear god.

>>42093417
hey anon
go fuck yourself
and the high horse you rode in on

as I can deny
anything
that puny little mind of your's spits out

including any so called "god"
you can try and force
onto others

as there are not just 2 forces
good and evil
but a 3rd

neutral
even if the good and evil folks
like to lie and say neutral isn't real

and instead just a good any pretending to be evil
or a evil anon pretending to be good
as any true neutral folks are just left wondering "wtf!?!" while existing anyways

>spoiler warning: 4chan isn't your church bitch and every faith out there other then your own are doubted equally by little ole me (as well as others even if they aren't as upfront, honest, and transparent about it as I am having learned to lie to folks face just to survive a LONG time ago or else they'd be dead by now killed by some one who thinks they are a spy when really they are just who they were born to be)

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>>42093521
Dear friend, God is absolutely good. The reason why mankind is living in this fallen world is because Adam and Eve, who represented mankind, chose to disobey God and choose evil, bringing a curse upon themselves and the world.

What's really darkly fascinating is that when you look around the world, you can observe that we truly are children of Adam and Eve, because we keep being inclined to disobey God and want to be our own gods, which is also what the devil tempted Adam and Eve with, and actually continues to tempt mankind with, which we can see in false religions such as the New Age.

All religions / belief systems that are not Christianity are authored by the devil to lead people astray.

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23, ESV)

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>>42093533
You're quite confused I'm afraid. You're not going to live a fruitful life by going your own way and choosing some kind of "neutrality".

God's existence is obvious because of creation. It also makes logically sense that He is good and hates evil:

"For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse." (Romans 1:18-20, CSB)

>>42093547
>>God is infinitely good,
Is this why he allows so much evil?

>>42093547
The punishment is far too severe for the mistakes of people who are intellectual ants compared to him. A cat may scratch you or bite you, it doesnt know better just like Adam and Eve didnt know better. God's role could have been to slowly teach us to behave better, not throw us out to the jungles on our first misbehaviour. He expected perfection from imperfect beings and he punished us horrendously for it, that does not resemble compassion in my eyes. If a human did that, we might label him a terrible person

>>42093569
>He is good and hates evil
I see.
By the way i am pretty sure he could stop satan and co from fucking around any time, but chooses not for some reason.

>oooh, I'm a child of love ooooh

>>42093417
>That's where Jesus and the Bible come in, my friends.
go away.
https://allreligionsareone.org/

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>>42093572
Please read the rest of what I wrote and try to understand why there is evil in this world.
>>42093574
It's not about being intelligent enough. On Judgement Day, no one is going to be able to say that they lived wasteful lives full of wickedness because of a lack of intelligence (not counting the mentally challenged). God judges us by what is in our hearts.

"But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this defiles a person. For from the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, slander." (Matthew 15:18-19, CSB)

And because of our fallen nature, we're going to be inclined to do evil unless we repent and turn to Jesus so that He can gift us His Spirit and help us to do good instead.

>>42093417
cringe

>>42093602
The heart doesnt develop without life experiences, how wise could Adam and Eve truly have been with the few days/months they lived? They were mere babies who didnt even know what they wanted and got tricked.
Besides, even if their hearts were truly wicked, he MADE them with that heart

>>42093602
I did, he could remove evil from thr world and hearts of people any time he wants, but chooses not to.

>>42093569
meh...
being as confused as I am
can be scary at 1st

sure
but I got used to it
a long time ago

facing my fears
instead
of running away from them

even if you are just now dealing with it for the 1st time

as the ONLY thing
I can tell you and everyone else
you are trying to bend to your will when "god" is concrened

is I don't need
the perpission
of any god any of you can put your faith in to exist

so if your god needs my permission to exist
whelp it's not a real god not is it
as this shit post I alone can make

is all the "proof" any of you get to judge
for yourself
if I'm real or not

please keep in mind
all those who say I'm a bot
could be right and how would you know

hmm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuD6C0eV9pU

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>>42093574
You're framing things in the wrong manner, by the way. Can it really be said that he expected "perfection"? He told Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge or they will die. They essentially called Him a liar and also wanted to be their own gods, and wanted to know good and evil.

On top of all that, it can be said that they essentially exalted the devil as their god. Anyone who researches who rules this world will realize that it's an evil elite who are satanists and serve the devil. The elite are carrying out the devil's bidding. The Bible tells us that indeed the devil is the ruler of this world.

"We know that we are children of God and that all the rest of the world around us is under Satan’s power and control. And we know that Christ, God’s Son, has come to help us understand and find the true God. And now we are in God because we are in Jesus Christ His Son, who is the only true God; and He is eternal Life." (1 John 5:19-20, TLB)

>>42093547
Why is it gift of salvation is optional but "gifts" of immortality and existence are mandatory? I don't want them, ive never asked them.

>>42093646
And who allows satan to rule this world and could stop it anytime?

>>42093646
To do exactly as he says, to have no doubts, to desire nothing, all that would have been the perfection he sought. Imperfect beings arent like that, we dont like being controlled, we are curious, we desire things we cant have, we make mistakes both big and small. He simply did not have the heart to give us a second chance when he saw our imperfection show
How is that anything except a disdain for imperfection?

>>42093666
the anon I'm responding to
in did not ask me to respond to them
but they did post on a public message board

so they get to deal with the way
everyone who is not them
is NOT THEM

they are themselves
sure
but I'm not them any more then the rest of ya

>anyways

anon
if you're trying to convince the anon
you're responding to
to change their own mind

why?!?

faith is not the kind of thing
folks let other's
decide for them

when what ya could do
is pay attention
to whatever mistakes someone else is making

then take their mistakes
make them your own mistakes
and then fix your own mistakes the way only you can

over and over and over again
on loop
in front of whoever are copy catting the mistake of

until
by random happenstance
they happen to pay attention

see themselves in other's
and then learn from other's
how to fix themselves

all natural like and shit
in ways that ONLY happen
if they are meant to

doesn't work any other way

like it's a clue or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-kSEX8O9HE

>>42093677
You are bad bot, never post on 4chan

>>42093687
or what
you going to do something about it
if I don't respect your opinion

hmm?

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>>42093629
>>42093670
I'm noticing you're making a lot of personal assumptions about what Adam and Eve were like. You keep assuming they were imperfect to begin with and needed to learn things.

What makes sense is that they were living a perfect life, completely happy in the Garden and all their needs being met. I think you're wanting to make them out as being poor victims, even though they were anything but poor. You're creating a story about them and trying to reframe their situation because you wish to continue to deny and disobey God.

When it comes to everyone who rejects God, the root cause is that they would rather continue to rebel against Him and live in sin. They will make up all kinds of narratives in their own heads to give themselves an excuse to continue sinning. Please do not deceive yourself. God certainly is not deceived.

>>42093692
Give me reason why should anybody care about what you think or feel.
Or alternatively just go fuck and neck yourself, faggot

>>42093698
>all their needs being met
Did they have internets and pcs back then?

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>>42093578
>>42093642
Mankind is responsible for the mess that this world is in. God can help us to not be evil any longer, but we must freely choose Him. He's not going to force us.

This world is definitely further sinking into darkness, as the elite will continue to cause more suffering, which is all the more reason to stay close to Jesus. It's not enough to make a one-time decision to follow Him, by the way. We must read from the Bible and pray continually.

"Come near to God and He will come near to you. Be clean in the way that you live. Stop doing wrong things. Make your minds clean. You cannot love sin and love God at the same time." (James 4:8, EASY)

>>42093698
Then who is the victim in this story? God? Was there no victim at all? Then how dare anyone complain when they live a life of suffering, they simply got what they deserved thanks to the evil in their hearts. In fact, how dare you try to draw sympathy with the way you started this thread, complaining about your hard life. You arent a victim at all if Adam and Eve arent victims, they got what they deserved and you did too

How callous does that sound? I believe none of that, i feel sympathy for them just like i feel sympathy for you. We are all victims in some capacity. The only one who isnt is the all powerful being who cannot suffer

>>42093755
>He's not going to force us.
Instead he forces us exist against our so called free will.
How it is just?

>>42093711
no

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>>42093763
Dear friend, please do not confuse things with these logical fallacies that you keep coming up with. The truth of salvation is simple. Please focus on that instead of getting lost in a mental maze because of an attempt to be "clever" in your own eyes.
>>42093770
Life is a gift. How will you choose to use this gift that God has given you? Will you waste your life in selfishness and sin? Or will you love Jesus and your fellow man with all your heart?

"Keep hold of faithful love. That will be like a beautiful necklace that you always wear. Think about what it means to love other people. If you do that, you will make God happy. People will also be pleased and they will respect you." (Proverbs 3:3-4, EASY)

>>42093807
Faker. A real Christian wouldnt have given a stupid bureaucratic response to a heartfelt argument.

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>>42093763
It's absolutely not true that God isn't a victim, by the way. We grieve Him with our sins, and He died a horrible death so that our relationship with Him can be restored.

"This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." (1 John 4:10, NIV)

>>42093822
God is suffering, humans are suffering, satan is suffering. What a mess. Never should have been born in this dogshit existence

>>42093807
Its not a gift, its a curse and burden.
I want this gift taken way from me already.

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>>42093818
Please do try to explain how that person is doing anything but trying to mentally dance around the simple truth of the gospel so that they can continue on sinning.

"Eve was fooled by the snake in the garden of Eden. In the same way, I am afraid that you will be fooled and led away from your pure love for Christ." (2 Corinthians 11:3, NLV)

We are fallen beings who are suffering from the sickness that is sin. Just like Adam and Eve, we see throughout the world people choosing evil, choosing to disobey God and go their own way and suffering because of it. Let's not deceive ourselves with foolish attempts at being "clever" and dancing around the truth.

>>42093417
>Why is the world filled with darkness?
Read Evola, he was right about everything

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>>42093843
>>42093859
Beloveds, please do not fall into despair. This world is broken and filled with sorrow, but we have hope in Christ.

"“I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”" (John 16:33, NIV)

>>42093860
The fact that all you see is clever tricks and dancing shows that you view this as nothing more than a game of wits. Your heart isnt in this in the slightest. You are just a larper who is copy pasting bible quotes and pretending to be Christian.

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>>42093867
I just read about him quickly on wikipedia. So he was an antichrist occultist? Please do not allow yourself to be led astray by such false teachings. Occultism will just take you into a labyrinth that has no end and is filled with darkness.

Even more testimonies by a diverse range of people who tried other paths, and found out the hard way that Jesus is the only way:

https://www.youtube.com/@YeshuaTestimonies/videos

"But cowardly, unfaithful, and detestable people, murderers, sexual sinners, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”" (Revelation 21:8, GW)

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>>42093911
>I just read about him quickly on wikipedia.
Just when I think I could not lose any more faith in humanity, you make me lose another bit I didn't even know I still had.

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>>42093893
I find it darkly fascinating how certain people can sound just like the devil, aka the accuser.

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me! Can any of you prove Me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe Me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”" (John 8:44-47, NIV)

Is anyone here familiar with the New World Order, aka the elite? Research them deeply enough and you will find out that they are satanists carrying out the devil's bidding. Please do not allow yourself to be led astray by the likes of occultism or gnosticism (which is basically a form of occultism - "ascension" through acquiring "hidden knowledge").

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>>42093923
Can you please take the time to watch a few of the testimonies I've shared? Responding with snark is completely fruitless.

We can't ignore testimonies where people who went down the path of occultism ended up finding themselves lost, confused and demonically oppressed.

"We also can be sure of the fact that the Son of God has come and given us a mind so that we may know Him as the embodiment of all that is true. We live in this truth, in His Son Jesus, the Anointed One. He is the True God and eternal life." (1 John 5:20, VOICE)

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>>42093436
Your God, the Christian God, is described as omnipotent yet he allows children to be raped and abused without intervening even if the children beg for help. This means your God is evil or at best indifferent.

Free will is not an argument, because dead baptized babies go to Heaven and live with God without ever having to use their "free will" on Earth. This means that living a human life choosing between good and evil isn't needed to have a meaningful relationship with God, thus you have NO EXCUSE as to why God doesn't help child victims and just watches passively as they bleed.

>>42093952
There are millions of near death experiences and testimonies from Asia, India, Africa, etc. that don't include Jesus and instead their Gods. They are saved by their Gods and faith.

>>42093572
He allowed us free will, the evil in this world is something we inflict on ourselves as a species

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>>42093959
If you research certain Christian near-death experiences and the revelations that those people received, you'll find out that God actually intervenes and helps people in all kinds of unseen ways. We can't fully understand it but there must be a reason why He does not necessarily intervene every time a person get hurts. It must have to do with our free will. As in, even evildoers have the ability to use their free will to harm others, including children. That certainly does not mean there will not be any consequences for their evil, whether while they're still on earth, and even less so after they die.

It makes sense that babies who die go to heaven since they're just babies. Please do not use foolish fallacies.

I strongly recommend everyone investigates hell testimonies. This youtube channel has some very compelling ones:

https://www.youtube.com/@TouchingTheAfterlife/videos

>>42093717
The internet and computers have proven to be horrible for our mental health, just look at how people behave around you because of screens

>>42093993
1. If God is omnipotent he can define free will without including genocide and child molestation.
2. Nature is full of suffering and brutality. Completely unrelated to humans as a species.
3. Dead babies go to heaven (according to most religions) without ever having to use their free will for anything, this means that you don't need free will to have a meaningful, non-robotic relationship with God at all.

>>42094005
How did God intervene when several children were brutalized and raped on Epstein Island? He didn't. He could have literally prevented it from happening or teleported them out of there, yet did not.

>It makes sense that babies who die go to heaven since they're just babies. Please do not use foolish fallacies.
Explain why God allows evil on Earth when dead babies are evidence that experiencing or using "free will on Earth" is not needed to have a meaningful relationship with God and love him without being a robot. You can't.

>>42094005
>God moves in mysterious ways that conveniently let children suffer
>>>/his/ with this shit.

Are Christians genuinely too retarded to comprehend this or answer this? You claim that evil is needed for FREE WILL and that without FREE WILL we can't have a genuine relationship with God.

Yet, all babies who die never USE THEIR FREE WILL ON EARTH and still magically have a genuine and real relationship with God in Heaven. This completely debunks the argument that God simply has to allow the most horrific evil otherwise our relationship would be robotic and not built on freedom. Either you admit babies in Heaven are just robots who are forced to love God or you admit that "free will" on Earth is not needed at all and God just allows us to see us suffer for no reason.

>>42093934
You're speaking the truth mate, keep it up

>>42094028
>uhh umm god lets kids get raped because uhh he moves in mysterious ways..
>ANON: THIS IS THE TRUTH BROS!

Lmfao

>>42093417
Let me ask this, OP, which denomination of Christianity is correct? There are 46,000 different denominations of the "one truth" and many of them condemn each other to Hell.

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>>42093969
I think you're definitely exaggerating when you claim there are "millions" of non-Christians NDEs and (compelling) testimonies.

We also need to consider that the devil can deceive people with false NDEs and experiences.

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit who does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and is already in the world." (1 John 4:1-3, EHV)

I myself have received various signs and certain supernatural experiences from God that definitely helped show me the way. I would be a fool to ignore those signs and start believing in some vague nonsense such as, "whatever you believe becomes reality" which is a teaching that originates from occultists and luciferians. Did you know that the New Age movement originates from luciferians? The devil has put many deceivers out there.

>>42094047
>I myself have received various signs and certain supernatural experiences from God that definitely helped show me the way. I would be a fool to ignore those signs and start believing in some vague nonsense such as, "whatever you believe becomes reality" which is a teaching that originates from occultists and luciferians. Did you know that the New Age movement originates from luciferians? The devil has put many deceivers out there.
You could always just stop believing in Christian nonsense, like "an all-powerful being tortures children because two naked savages ate the wrong fruit."

>>42094047
>I think you're definitely exaggerating when you claim there are "millions" of non-Christians NDEs and (compelling) testimonies.
Nah. The majority of NDEs isn't christian-themed:

https://www.nderf.org/Archives/archivelist.htm

Other religions existed for many thousand years before anyone even heard of Christianity.

>>42093417
It's because good people aren't allowed to respond in the natural way to evil deeds and harm.
They get punished in such a way that they have to completely obliterate the people who try to punish them.
Usually the punishers are people who think they're doing what's right by stopping the violence. Fortunately they're too weak to stop it when it happens.

Why is the world full of light?? Equally meaningful question

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>>42093417
Happy thoughts bring happiness.

As a brilliant philosopher once said.
>pls rember that wen u feel scare or frigten
>never forget ttimes wen u feeled happy
>wen day is dark alway rember happy day

>>42093533
Blind faith always lead to the greatest evil, because those who do evil in the name of their faith, believe they are doing God's work. For me, OP is a person that became so broken and hopeless due to their life experiences, they became an easy target for religious zealotry. This gives them a sense of belonging to something greater, I knew such people myself as I had a hard life too.
Yet, I understood that you can be good to others, good to yourself without invoking any kind of religious reasons to do so. It makes me worried at times, that there are people who try to be good ONLY because of their faith. They want to be rewarded with eternal bliss in Heaven and avoid potential, eternal punishment for evil. That's literally all to it. Blind faith. Every day they talk in their echo chambers, gaslighting each other and patting themselves on their backs. I'm not against it. As long as the result is that they don't cause pain or suffering due to their beliefs, this is okay. Not perfect, but some people can't live without a clear Authority to which they can surrender all their thoughts and actions. It only becomes a problem if they happen to get caught up in pseudo christian (most often, but there are also pseudo buddhist or hindu groups) cult behavior. For example, Jehovah Witnesses have insane rules, even forbidding blood transfusions. There was a case where parents were being pressured into the group to not allow doctors to give blood transfusions to their sick child, because "she was chosen by God" and they're forbidden to interfere. That's what I'm talking about when I mean "doing evil in the name of God". I had some contact with them due to my dad knowing some people from that group. They really tried hard to get us into their structures, it's insane. Meanwhile, the people at the top of that group are laughing in their palace built on money from followers. Truly, any group that requires you to pay in order to join is not worth it.

>>42094293
Happy thoughts don't bring happiness that's called schizophrenoia or something

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>>42093993
That's right. There are sadly many people in the world who don't wish to take responsibility for their own actions. They are committing the sin of pride.
>>42094011
When you compare what certainly the West is like now vs. its past, it shouldn't be difficult to see that everything except technology has worsened. But even as far as technology, specifically with the likes of social media, can it be said that it has done a lot of good? There is definitely evidence it has done significant harm.

We need to try to use the internet for good. Here's a screenshot of Uncensored AI's response to the question of why people reject Jesus.

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>>42093822
I asked ChatGPT to create a better version of this image since in the original the hand was generated wrong.

"“I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." (John 10:11, EHV)

There's no reason to be lost in sin anymore, beloveds. Jesus is waiting for you with open arms.

>>42094343
I guess if you're a self-isolating neckbeard living in a basement, you'll naturally gravitate towards things that make you forget about your life even for a minute and try to live vicariously through various fictional characters in animu, mango and games. Internet also allows them to hold parasocial relationships, one-sided obsessions that you can share with other broken people. However, they don't become happier together - they act like crabs in a bucket. Thinking about improving their lives makes them instantly depressed and unhappy, so they resort to gaslighting themselves. But, how long can you continue to run away from living before it catches up with it? All the things you didn't do and should have, all the knowledge that you should have learned that would allow you to advance your life in the way you want to, all the life's most wonderful moments like becoming a father and head of a family. You told yourself you didn't really want that, yet spent your time romancing characters in a game. I think such a realization must be pretty fucking painful. When their parents die and, if they're lucky, they have a home to take care of, to pay for it. To clean, do shopping, pay bills. Unless their parents left them enough money, or if they managed to get gibs fat enough, they suddenly have to work. I believe there will be a rash of suicides in the coming two decades. It's not that I want it to happen - I don't. Unfortunately, that's how things seem to go at this moment.

>>42094392
You never answered my question - which denomination is correct?

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>>42094017
You're merely continuing to use more fallacies. You're deeply confused, my friend.

It's safe to assume that it's God's work that so many people have learned about the Epstein horrors. I've noticed it's had a sobering effect on many, where they've started to realize what disturbing evils there are in this world. People who abuse children will be punished accordingly by God, if they don't repent and turn to Christ.

I urge you to please watch those hell testimonies on Touching The Afterlife. We must seek God while He may still be found.

>>42094435
There is no fallacy you dumb faggot

Point it OUT. How is it possible that babies go straight to heaven and are not "robots" in Heaven but have a meaningful, true relationship with God if they never had to use their free will on Earth? Answer these questions, pro tip you can't.


Do aborted or dead babies go to Heaven? Yes or no.
Do these babies in Heaven have a true and real relationship with God despite never having used their agency and free will on Earth? Yes or no.
Does this proof that "free will on Earth" is not needed to have a true relationship with God? Yes or no.

>>42093417
>That's where Jesus and the Bible come in
>Worship the corrupt shitter who made this backwater universe

Yaldabaoth victim

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>>42094026
>>42094034
The reason why people, including children, are harmed is both because of the evils that man commits and the general curse that is upon humanity. If you actually even care about evil and suffering, you have to seriously start searching for the truth and ask yourself questions like,

"Why is there so much suffering in the world?"

"Who/what is humanity exactly? Why are we here?"

"Who created us? Does He have a will and plan for us?"

Christianity helps answer these questions. But those who wish to remain ignorant and merely live selfishly and carnally will not seek the truth. Or they'll actively deceive themselves with all sorts of lies to have an excuse to keep on sinning.

>>42094477
Child gets raped. Child asks God to help. God hears it (omnipotent and omnipresent) but decides not to intervene... because some faggots ate an apple millions of years ago? This is what you believe?

>>42094443
Man has no right to speak what God should do or who he truly is. That's by definition of an absolute God. It's an endless being that allows Universe which, in essence, is neutral and uncaring. Awareness of that fact allows beings with consciousness to do good and evil - but good and evil is defined by other people and it's only through the will of majority that deeds are considered as such. If Man is capable of evil, it's by design. Unless you're saying that God didn't know what he was doing/is not in control over his actions. How can you trust in a being that shows nothing of itself and you wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for other people that introduced you into the concept. How can you be so sure of truth, if everything you know about God was told you by other people, who can lie, deceive, even if they believe they're telling the truth? Can you consider the concept of infinity and that's more complicated than simple "God's good and that's all you need to know"?

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>>42093591
>>42094447
Please free to share what you think the truth is. I already know that it's going to be a bunch of vague nonsense with no real foundation though. It's going to boil down to, "we must reject God, and be our own gods".

Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh right, the lie that the devil tempted Adam and Eve with.

Do you know that saying, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? Think about it. If you found yourself at your lowest point, or you're going through something terrifying, who does your soul call out to? We are definitely not gods and we cannot save ourselves. Please don't put your trust in your weak, limited, mortal self.

>>42094491
Of course we have the right to. Otherwise we couldn't judge God, he gave us the ability to judge him.

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>>42094027
It's simple really. Babies are innocent and not developed yet. Not the case with grown people who can choose to commit evil.

I urge everyone to please cease these foolish fallacies just because you're so attached to your sins. I myself have sadly succumbed to temptation before, returning to my vomit so to speak, and the end result is always the same: misery.

Don't waste your life living for sin. Make the most of your time here on earth and live for God and do good for others.

"The devil can outwit you and make you squander your best years." - St. Paisios the Athonite

>>42094551
NIGGER YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT HAHAHAH please read it and use your brain, you're driving me crazy.

I am not arguing or asking why babies are allowed to go to heaven. Holy shit bro. I am telling you that babies going to heaven and not being "robots" in Heaven proves that no one has to experience evil or free will on Earth.

Christian niggers argue that evil occurs because we NEED FREE WILL to have a real relationship with God and not be forced or Automatons. BUT BABIES NEVER DO THIS AND STILL END UP NEXT TO GOD AND HAVE A REAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU READ ENGLISH?????

>>42094490
>teenage rebel argument
One day you will face your creator

>>42094551
I really don't know how to make this more clear to you, because you genuinely don't comprehend what I am saying.

Baby never uses free will
Baby goes to Heaven
Baby is not a Robot
Baby has a good and honest relationship with God

This proves that using or experiencing free will on Earth is not needed for a true relationship with God
This proves that God allowing the evil on Earth is totally pointless because it serves no purpose (as babies prove)

>>42094558
You mean the creator who passively watches while children get gangraped on Epstein Island because some dude ate an apple 10 000 years ago? I'm gonna meet this guy?

>>42093417
God bless you OP.

>>42094521
Exactly. So, how can God be absolute good and just that, without being also aware of absolute evil? It's as if Man is afraid to hear an actual answer to their questions, choosing instead to think of God as a singular person with only the good parts. Wouldn't that make him incomplete? God, the Creator, wouldn't be able to understand his own creation. This makes no sense, but I guess this is where one says b-but Jesus this and Jesus that. I'm not an atheist, but I also don't trust anyone without critical thinking regarding their beliefs. Like I said before, it opens doors to justifying anything. Man does something good? It's actually God acting through him. Man does something bad? It's Man's fault for being evil. Wouldn't an absolute God be capable of both?

>>42094577
God is the designer of reality, he can simply decide how things are. God can decide that he is absolute Good without evil and it would be so.
>Wouldn't an absolute God be capable of both?
Pretty much. And even the bible God states that he is both the source of good AND evil btw. That he creates darkness and light.

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>>42094557
>>42094561
You know, I recently watched this man give his testimony again (he's given it on multiple youtube channels) where he was made to understand that God does have a certain plan for each of us on earth. I think you're trying to say why people are just not born in heaven straight away? Because mankind was made to be on earth but they sinned against God and became cursed. That doesn't mean that God doesn't still have a certain purpose for us. But sadly many people choose to ignore their purpose and pursue sin instead.

Please take the time to watch this testimony:

The CRAZIEST Near-Death Experience You'll EVER Hear!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMIix5q3I_c

>>42094596
So your logic is children get raped and abused because someone they had NOTHING TO DO WITH thousands of years ago ate an apple and got everyone cursed? Due to that, God just passively watches and refuses to lift a finger even if the child begs for an intervention.

This is your faith? Can you confirm?

You may have been raped and abused but jesus loves you so uhhhh :) yeah

>>42093574
God never abandoned Adam nor Eve, but made sure they understood that they made a mistake.

>>42093629
Adam and Eve were intelligent. You're under the false pretense that experience is necessary for intelligence. You do not understand the Divine. Adam had the intelligence to communicate verbally with God and name all the animals in the garden. He was nothing near infantile. The fall symbolizes a descension, and through Christ we can ascend just like He did. That is what salvation and eternal life looks like. At the final resurrection and new earth, we are going to be how God always intended us to be. Humanity right now is but a fraction of what God intended us to be like, but since we are in a fallen state, we are incapable of harboring that state in us. We need to be cleansed and saved. Thats why man after the fall cannot directly see the LORD. We catch a glimpse of what Jesus truly looks like during the transfiguration. His face turns completely into light. Try staring at the sun for a minute and what happens? Your eyes hurt. Jesus was emanating raw Light from His face, showing not just His Glory, but the fact that we cannot properly perceive or understand God fully as we currently are.

1 Corinthians 1:18
18 Indeed, the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

We as humans are capable of harboring His Spirit and Light, allowing us to be metaphorical beacons and lighthouses to guide the lost at sea. It's beautiful, you guys are missing out.

>>42093417
Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven.

He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’

Hypocrites!

You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times.
A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLIabZc0O4c

>>42093666
The wheat must grow with the weeds. By uprooting the weeds, you risk uprooting the wheat as well. Jesus already clarified this in the Gospels. A fair amount of time is given to test humanity. God's timing is perfect.

>>42094622
Unironically, yes. All evil doers will be punished. Sometimes immediately, sometimes not. I knew some people who raped a girl and one of them got his face mauled by a loose pit bull. Everyone's evil eventually catches up with them. Sometimes immediately, sometimes later, and if not the aforementioned, in the afterlife. It's better to suffer for your evil here on earth because that leaves an opportunity to repent. The worst thing that can happen for someone is if God witholds their punishment until the after life. Keep that in mind.

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>>42094603
As I explained earlier in the thread, Adam and Eve represented mankind. And we are also their children and it's evident that we've inherited their sin nature. Notice how humans from a very early age are inclined to disobey their parents and get up to mischief.

As I also stated earlier, God definitely protects us in unseen ways, which certain people who have received special revelations such as from NDEs have attested to. It seems your entire argument hinges on, "God cannot be good or exist since there is suffering in the world, including to children".

Well, we're given the explanation why there's suffering in the world, and we certainly have proof of God's existence when looking at all of creation, and we also have proof of God's goodness, some of which I've been sharing in this thread through these testimonies. You can choose to ignore all of it but that only reveals where your heart is at.

"I love those who love Me, and those who search for Me find Me." (Proverbs 8:17, HCSB)

Are you truly seeking God, or are you just trying to make up reasons in your own mind to reject Him because you'd rather live in sin? I must warn you that on Judgement Day, you're not going to be able to plead ignorance/stupidity.

>>42094586
>source of evil
Incorrect. He is the ultimate form of Love, Righteousness, Justice, Vengeance, Wrath, Peace and Spirit. He does not evil, but punishes evil. You're misunderstanding from a translational error.

>>42094667
They just don't understand, they're low IQ or misguided

>>42094663
>God definitely protects us in unseen ways
This is irrelevant. He let the rape happen.

> And we are also their children and it's evident that we've inherited their sin nature.
Don't dodge the question. You believe it's righteous that children get molested because two people they had nothing to do with did something 10000 years ago?


>>42094669
>>42094667
Nigga read your book:

Isaiah 45:7 King James Bible
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

>>42094667
We couldn't even comprehend evil if God didn't create it first. Can you imagine a new color? No. You can only imagine or know of things that God allows you to experience.

>Evil is the absence of Good
Ok... and who decided that? God. Do you think some laws of the universe just dominate God and exist without him? All that is exists because of God. Including the "law" that good and evil exist at the same time. Hence, Good is the creator of evil.

>>42094679
>Nigga read your book:
>Isaiah 45:7 King James Bible
>"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
Yes, now trying another translation. Isaiah is written in various forms of poetry, this part specifically has to do with opposites. The opposite of peace isn't evil, it's calamity. And calamity was brought upon Israel when they became disobedient. Never was it unwarranted.

>>42094399
didn't read

>>42094690
God doesn't create evil. We create evil by disobeying God, who is the ultimate form of good.

>>42094669
Has nothing to do with IQ and everything to do with the state of your heart.

1 Corinthians 1:17-29
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel—and to do so without words of human wisdom lest the cross of Christ be devoid of its meaning. 18 Indeed, the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the understanding of the learned I will bring to naught.”[h]

20 Where now are the wise ones? Where are the men of learning? Where are the debaters of this present age? Has God not shown the wisdom of the world to be foolish? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world was unable to come to know him through wisdom, he chose, through the folly of preaching, to save those who have faith.

22 Jews demand signs, and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we proclaim Christ crucified. This is a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles;[i] 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

26 God Has Chosen Those Who Count for Nothing. Consider, brethren, your calling. Not many of you were wise by human standards,[j] not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 Rather, God chose those who were regarded as foolish by the world to shame the wise; God chose those in the world who were weak to shame the strong. 28 God chose those in the world who were lowly and despised, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who were regarded as worthy, 29 [k]so that no one could boast in the presence of God.

>>42094692
Why did you skip the part of God admitting that he creates darkness? Calamity is defined as a serious accident or bad event causing damage or suffering, so to almost all people this would be evil.

So you just cherry pick what translation you want?

"Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?"

"Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him."

Interesting...

>>42094703
>God doesn't create evil.

He did create evil. Nothing exists outside of God's imagination and consent. If God didn't create evil, we couldn't even imagine it let alone do it. Do you think some laws of the universe just dominate God and exist without him? All that is exists because of God. Including the "law" that good and evil exist at the same time. Hence, Good is the creator of evil.

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>grown ASS man are telling me it's valid and right that God doesn't intervene when children suffer or get sexually assaulted because some dude ate an apple 10 000 years ago

This kind of shit really makes you lose hope in humanity.