being the kind where you directly try to manipulate energies and elements WITHOUT invoking any spirits or demons; instead like working with herbs, crystals, rocks, animals, etc.
>>42094673What is even "unnatural" magick? Materialist don't even acknowledge this kind of thing. What Magick is at the barebones it's just the skill to generate desired experiences trough intention. But you realize that you were already doing "magick" without realizing it so far anyway, but this is just extending the implications to the effect over your enviroment and overall experience. Christianity was originally a magical tradition, and so were all religions at some point, metaphors to understand "the absolute" and different ways to use it. The current church are just atheist in disguise that tells you that living your life according to your will it's "wrong" when everyone do that, always, even if relegating themselves to misery. It's ok because you were always already doing it, this is the original purpose of prayer, surrendering to God (imagination, your higher self) and letting the father give way to the son (your intention, the world that arise within, dying and resurrecting in a world born again in manifestation).
>>42094673No. If you truly understood the faith, you'd have no interest in these things. Seek to better understand the Gospels instead, it'll benefit you far greater. Remember OP, it's more than a proclamation of faith, it's the development of a relationship between you and the Almighty. Father and son/daughter, if we truly adhere to the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, we become a brother/sister to Him. And that has huge implications.
>>42094765But can’t that line of thinking be extended to a blanket “technology is bad,” even back to taming fire or animal husbandry? If there’s a natural mechanism that works, then God clearly put it there. Whether or not it’s there for *us* to use, is the burning question. Do the laws against witchcraft cover natural magic too, or is it only a problem when demons get involved?
>>42094673>directly try to manipulate energies and elements WITHOUT invoking any spirits or demonsThat's PSI ("the force") compared to magic.I think christians don't differentiate here, they think all supernatural forces come from the Devi.
>>42094833My friend, if you truly loved the Lord, you'd see no point to the things you are curious about. Youd have a sense of fulfillment that surpasses all understanding. I dont know if you really understand this. John 4:14but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
>>42094875Yes, but those magi were under direct order from a king seeking to murder Jesus.No, He wasn't. He is the Almighty.
>>42094833The garden was given, and everything else is us taking and learning the consequences.
>>42094930Go be stupid somewhere else
>>42094930Jesus is God in the flesh. He is LORD of the Sabbath. He is the Word (I Am) in the flesh.
>>42094930Also, I'm not going to argue something so simple to you. If you can't even see that then theres no point furthering this discussion with you.
>>42095047He’s a Canadian whose been shitting up threads for weeks, just ignore him and hopefully he’ll move on
>>42094745>Materialist don't even acknowledge this kind of thing.Imagine materialist-begging on /x/
Before the reformation and the reactions to it there was so little debate that it was taught by and to clergy within medieval universities
>>42094673There is nothing wrong with magic. It is a post Kramer diversion after his shitty book Maleus Maleficarum. Which in turn was a product of the Renaissance and protestantism. Before that in the Middle Ages there was nothing wrong with witches, because all magic was a miracle of God.
>>42095180Jesus is God, but also made manHe is Almighty even in His mercy
>>42095213>no way dude, the dreamer cannot possibly ever be in his own dream experientiallyThis is how dumb you sound
>>42094673If Christianity was true you wouldn't need to do magic, you could just pray.
>>42094673Well all rocks and such are shattered light or spirits trapped in matter the same way you are. . . The deal with spirits is you never submit to any of then except the monad or godhead or true God. . . Lord of all spirits creator of all It's like putting your spirit on the line to try and use your mental will to control those spirits . . . So it depends on why you use them or how . . . If you master them it's fine but not if they master you . . . If that makes sense but be aware more powerful entites than you lie in wait . . . So it's sort of like . . . >>Only if your pure of spirit or else evil will cling to you and take you You basically have to mentally die and accept that your not meant to live forever and then remove temptation or you'll fall to sin They know how to make evil sound seductive or good . . . They will try and betray you for their own . . .Only those who have pure souls can navigate this else they will fall to corruption Think of it like psychers from warhammer Most will have temptation and fall without guidance or knowledge of the spirits and that knowledge is intentionally kept from you to keep magic alone for a few From an arch-magos
>>42094673Check out books within the Brauchereri tradition. If you're serious you'll find them. God bless your eternal soul.
>>42094673Yes seems to be fine ... although it is easy to get carried away and it turn into witchcraft. St Hildegard for example wrote about the healing properties of stones - as did many other medieval authors. It is thought that because they are virtuous material object, they attract virtuous spiritual forces. Although it is fun to use herbs and stones to learn how to work with energy - even the most beautiful emerald has less power than the Word of God. The Bible will purge away your sins, build your eternal soul and afterlife, connect angels into your aura and thoughtspace, provide graces to help your daily struggle, initiate you into the Christian heaven, and many other blessings.
>>42094673It used to be, but modern Christians are pretty uptight when it comes to just about anything except praying to their man-god.>>42094863Oh shit, we talking Psionics now? I'd still love to learn telekinesis.
>>42094673Magic isn't real. Stop praying to a rock.
>>42097675Magic is using your willpower for something useful, instead of letting it scatter like 99% of people.
>>42094673Thought you all thought God put you here to rule all you survey or some such shit..?
>>42094673If God created crystals (or whatever) to have magical properties I would think he did so in order for us to benefit. Then again I am not a Christian and part of that is that Christianity despite worshiping a creator God rejects the world and it's design and our own nature (particularly our sexual nature although I know that isn't your question).
>>42094833Checked and that's why the Amish exist.
>>42094894Every Christian I know is secretly "thirsty".
