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>>42114655
Off topic niggah

>>42114620
Death does seem to loop some people back but it’s not a super commonly reported phenomenon from what I’ve seen

>>42114620
I could see myself in all dimensions, in this 3D I could see myself walking around my room like a retard

yes, i have. the loops seem to be more frequent though in comparison to my NDEs.

>>42116390
How far back have you looped?

>>42116275
this happened after death? cause you can just do this with meditation

If you want to kill yourself you might want to reconsider. Even if you loop it still will be shit

>>42117572
No it won’t. Intuition will guide me, I just ignored it this time around. I guess something wanted me to experiment with a bad timeline

>>42114620
>Have you ever died or had an NDE?
many
>If so, did it bring you back in time or switch you to an alternate reality where your death didn’t happen/the circumstances aren’t repeated?
depends on how conscious you are.
there’s unconscious NDEs (you’re dreaming in a coma or something and then wake up to doctors telling you that you died for a bit) and what i call “near misses” during which you’re completely awake and aware that you were seconds or millimeters from certain death, or that the outcome should have, by all probabilities, killed you but somehow didn’t
in a “near miss”, for a split second you get sent to a sort of invisible switchboard where, if you’re paying attention, you can choose if you live or let yourself die. locally, there’s no time, just cause and effect. externally, time isn’t stopped exactly, but in slow motion. basically you’re momentarily suspended in a superposition until you choose if you’re going to be around after the event or not
>but why can’t you be in that state forever
the wave form collapses and time moves forward again

>>42117600
did you personally ever loop backwards? anywhere from a day to a year?

Imagine this.

>Hey kid, go play somewhere else.
>Who are you?
>I'm you from the future. I've come to take your place. My consciousness is integrating into your brain... that's why you hear my voice in your head.
>Oh wow, okay, I'll know the future in advance? You'll be like my guardian angel, something like that.
>No, sorry, I'm just taking your place and you'll disappear.
>No, you disappear. Fuck you, this is my place. Go back where you came from.
>No, sorry, I can't. I'm dead.
>Oh shit, okay. Does that mean I'm in danger? How did you die?
>...
>Hello?
>Yes.
>How did you die?
>...
>???!!
>I committed suicide
>wtf why
>I was fat from eating too many donuts and not exercising because I spent all my time gooning and play vidya , and it ended up frying my brain cells. So I killed myself
>wtf what!! I thought there was some important mission like in Terminator or something!!
>No, sorry, it's just how it is, that's life. It's not my fault, it's because of my mental health problems. I'm schizophrenic from constantly looping, and the fact that my past selves don't accept that I'm taking their place creates a lot of split personality. This is the 20th loop, or maybe more. This is your destiny now little Timmy. You shouldn't have fought me, Timmy. Now that you're not disappearing, we share the same mind and we're both becoming schizophrenic. You're going to stay trapped with me now.
>Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>42117811
Reported for off topic kid. Either contribute or back to plebbit.

>>42117811
there wouldn’t be a dialogue; it would just be a smooth merging of consciousness. you’d gain awareness a lot earlier on and either you’d use it or just ignore it

>>42116735
it's happened about 9/10 times. it's always me waking up and finding out that the date from yesterday is being repeated. it's literally the daye but i don't do the same thing as the 1st original day. it happens at random but the last time I went through it I looked up historical facts of that day to try and find out if there was an answer to the "why." I've also had two other people experience it with me for different dates. they both have an attraction to me, and I know for a fact the 2nd guy also had a NDE and we are quite close, like together-close.

sometimes i wonder if alien abductions are involved, or if it's an intricate psy-op targeting certain individuals for to me, unknown reasons. would love other anons' thoughts on this because the time looping is pretty frequent in my opinion?

what's the connection between NDEs and time looping?

I had a few NDE and I'm pretty certain God saved me. People who say God don't help them confuses me because God or some higher power(s) def. Been helping me.

>>42117697
> did you personally ever loop backwards? anywhere from a day to a year?
hm. sort of, but it’s not related to NDEs - i am a time witch, and can jump “back” to any time period of my choosing. i call it time jumping or “folding”. it involves adopting the consciousness of that time period’s coordinates to such a degree that synchronicity takes over your physical reality, and everything you experience creates a sort of “ecosystem” where you are physically in that era - everything you see, hear, touch and smell, for at least as long as it lasts, belongs to that time period and there is no evidence that the time period to you came from even exists (for example, every song and movie you hear or see is from a specific year, and without evidence that you are in “2026” you are in a different place, to the extent you can access people, places, thought patterns, and events as if they are happening for the first time, but you remember them. to be clear i’m not talking about nostalgia either - it’s more like de ja vu with a steering wheel. you can’t always change outcomes but you can bring back lessons and artifacts from that time to help you in the present and future, or retrocausally change the meaning of an event so it is perceived differently when you return. this, of course is a consciousness driven activity and the thus it’s the reverse of a theoretical “physical” time machine - instead of not being able to “go back”, rather you cannot physically go forward using this method because the coordinates of the future are mutable and have not been set.

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>>42118369
>cont’d
probably the best example i know of is Philip K. Dick’s accidental jump back to the year 400AD when the christians were being heavily persecuted by the romans, picrel
>https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/02/07/r-crumb-weirdo-philip-k-dick/
he believed he’d been visited by the “spirit of Elijah” but this is something that really happened to him and that he experienced not as a hallucination but a lucid reality - anyway his story is pretty much exactly what i’m talking about. using his memory as an artifact, he ended up generating a whole trilogy based on this experience

My heart stopped and I was in some kind of purgatory but I fought back and woke up with chest pain and since then everything is "normal" but I keep getting visited by entities.

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it felt like i was walking through the void but without any actual body suddenly i hear the crackling sound of glass breaking from all directions.
I open my eyes and spit out all the water in my lungs. Worst moment of my life because would have chosen to remain there it felt extremely comfy. In fact was actually upset to be alive.

what's the point of this thread out of curiosity? very interesting subject matter.

[redacted]

^_^ glad this thread exists. im lurking.

the question is why?

>>42117835
It's related. You're only reporting me because you don't like my opinion; you think you're some kind of moderator... I know you hide at night and go on Reddit when no one's looking.

>>42117953
How could there not be a dialogue? Everyone has their own thoughts. My story isn't about a Shaolin monk. Everyone is a little different; there isn't just one way things could play out for everyone. Maybe for you it would be as you describe it, maybe for others it would be like mine... but it's true that I'm exaggerating a little.

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>>42114620
>Have you ever died
The AF state of this board. Absolute dogshit.

>>42119109
Thanks for the bump sucker

fnord

>>42119109
Yeah I’m sure you daily the Nobody and Succ generals. Those are “real” threads. God what a retard

>>42116390
how many NDEs have you had nigga?

>>42119686
off the top of my head? at least 6 NDEs. why do you ask?

>>42119109
its natural that /x/ pivoted to a more spiritual and conspiracy based board. as of the early 2010s we could consume all the supposed footage of aliens, bigfeets, ghosts, etc. all those deadends forced the board to evolve.

>>42118475
ive seen the void once, it was not comfy feeling during my experience. I was able to leave fairly quickly because the door to the bedroom was still there. it was the only thing still there. I was able to float over to it and go back to this reality.

on an aside. ive been offered once verbally to leave this reality and i cucked out. a voice spoke to me during an astral meditation and gave me a 5 digit code and told me if i repeated it id be let out. I said 4 numbers and cucked out on the last. im not sure it wasnt for the voices' amusement or if it was a real offer. it did sort of change my perspective and made me appreciate what i have here, which is actually a lot.

>>42114620
I’ve had a few NDE’s and experienced severely altered states of consciousness that felt like liminal spaces possibly between life and death because I was an IV drug addict for many years. I won’t bore you with my life story or the circumstances leading up to each specific overdose or drug/withdrawal induced seizure-vision, but I very literally have been revived from death more than once and I’m not larping.

Two times I saw nothing. One minute I was conscious and then the next I knew I was being attended to. I remember nothing in between, it was just missing time. Two times I for sure had visions or out of body journeys or whatever they are. They’re hard to recall in detail sort of like dreams are, but I don’t think these were just dreams. It’s hard to explain, but they felt alien and incredibly important in ways dreams aren’t.

I was at the same place both times. I can’t remember much about it but I could see the planet Earth from where I was. I met a being who I can’t remember the face of or the way it looked at all, I didn’t know who it was but it knew who I was. For some reason I think it was male. The first time I died he was pretty cool about it, we had a quick conversation and he empathized with how fucked up my life was. Then he asked me if I wanted to stay. I thought about it for a second, and I had no fear of this place and could tell it was a good place, but then I thought about my family and realized my parents would find me dead, so I told him something like “I’m sorry, I’d like to but I want to see how the rest of my life is going to go.” He looked at me like I was crazy and then said something like “I think that’s going to be a mistake but it’s your decision” Then I came back here.

1/2

>>42120653
The second time I died and went back he was pissed. He basically just yelled at me and called me worthless first and then he made me watch myself sitting at the dinner table with my entire family and then he destroyed the earth with us and everyone else on it and put it back together like fifteen times or more and made me experience it without dying. I experienced the guilt of thinking I caused the death of not only my family but the entire world, and that no one would ever even know what happened because they were all gone and it was all my fault. The feelings of guilt were indescribable. Then finally the universe reset for the last time and the earth didn’t explode and he threw me back into my body again like he was still pissed.

I changed a lot about my life after the second one. Haven’t been back since

>>42120420
I think I could've just let go to wake up at one point but I stopped at the last second out of fear of being attacked or something whatever...
I don't even know anymore
I'm in a state of permanent doom and I just wanna go back in time to finish up on high school so I don't feel like I've missed out on so much and maybe missed opportunities to make some good friends or at least just spend more time with certain folk.
>>42120658
Oh uh
Did you change your life for the better or for the worse (And are you sure about your answer to my question!?)

>>42121337
For the better. Multi years completely sober, I have a woman and child now, a good job and I’m a member of one of the best trade unions in America so it’s a legitimate career path with long term security. I also went from an atheistic materialistic world view to a much more open minded, spiritually active, and fulfilling daily lifestyle. My life and nearly all of my decisions are guided by love now etc

>be me
>seasoned psychonaut
>"let's climb a hill and do dmt frens"
>midnight hits
>"boys when I'm unable to take anymore I want you to dose me 5 more times
>fellas agree
>10+ pulls off the dmt pen
>nothing happens
>suddenly a black sheet comes over everything
>laser light show of green geometry
>weird metallic machine with green and pink liquid swirling in it
>brought above the clouds and am sitting in meditation between the Buddha and a hooded figure with a distorted face
>Ive interrupted them and they're pissed
>try to stand up to leave
>hooded entity puts its hand on my shoulder
>"no. you asked for this."
>trip begins all over again
>green laser shapes, weird machine, back above the clouds
>freaking the absolute fuck out because I cant get out of the loop
>after 30 minutes I think I'm back in reality
>screaming and crawling up my buddies shirt yelling if I was really back

It seemed like a lifetime. I didn't think I was gonna a come back. There's more details if anyone wants to hear them

>inb4 not a drug board.

>>42121414
DMT is a trip, no pun intended

>>42121414
Deets pls

>>42121674
You got that right brother.

>>42121728
What I didn't elaborate on was halfway into this loop, I was stone cold sober sitting up on my own looking at my friends. I said to them "oh It's over". They were staring at me with dead eyes. A voice other than theirs said "no." Then the dmt pen was jammed back into my mouth and the loop began again.

This is what shook me to my core. Is that something out there can manipulate baseline reality into tricking you that its real. But its not. I often times wonder if I'm still up on that hill and will wake up years in the past from the trip.

Another trip report from a friend. He inhaled half a dmt cartridge and ended up in a room. Just perfectly sober in a regular room. There was a desk and he was sitting on a bed. A door in the corner. I filmed him during this trip and his eyes were wide open and he was looking around the room. But he was in the room with me at all. Ive never seen someone wake up from a dmt trip. They usually just lay there and sometimes make noise.

>>42121390
Very happy you're doing well brother. A stranger on the internet is proud of you this day.

>>42114620
Lol you're not gonna find anyone here like that but I'm mad proud of you for trying and for being able to have a conversation about it in a place like this. It needs to be talked about on this board, I do know that.

>>42120420
i would assume you felt terror because you actually wanted to live while i was forced to be alive

>>42121807
It’s about the most paranormal you can get. People here are often confusing “paranormal” with “supernatural” in which case we’d need an entirely separate board.

>>42118325
so you’ve only ever gone a day back at most? still counts desu

>>42114620
Not a looper but I had a heart attack in 2019 in bed on multiple drugs, and the Good/Virtuous portion of my soul (with the exclusion of a spark) was split off and allowed to "die" and return to source. The Malignant portion survived, and the heart attack was reversed. I was overcome by evil intentions and have had to grow the spark to cleanse what remains of my soul. I have destroyed most of the evil at this point, but in the last 6 months, I have had an intense arythmia in my heart and have woken up, unable to breathe multiple times over the past few weeks. I believe as soon as I destroy what is left of my evil, the heart attack will return, and I will die completely this time.

>>42118401
Describe the entities and the context of your conscious awareness during these interactions.

>>42118379
People are actually talking about several different types of experiences in their responses to the OP.
Each aspect is legitimate observation but few people are oriented to all of these as aspects of a single reality.

>>42117835
He's expressing his limits of ability to conceive of the subject with a fictional example of what he thinks he understands about the conversation. It's an opportunity to clarify the exact specifics about what you yourself know. His error of comprehension is easily understandable as a stage of development in gaining experience and comprehension of what is being perceived. If you have enough experience with this you can explain what is going on and how it works to the limits of your own knowledge.

It would take a long while to write out the extent of my insights into this.. but i am content reading the experience of others who are attempting to discover for themselves. Me telling you about my experience and insight will never replace your own comprehension of your own personal observations. The best it can do is serve as a guide to those who are already pursuing their own cognitive perception abilities

>>42117600
This post is the most accurate version of interpretation of what the point of this topic is related to. The bottom line.. is complicated by the fact that our tangible persistent physical material world is not actually tangible material at all.. but the current state of public sector technology has no means of acknowledging or addressing this

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>>42123237
yeah it's always the date repeating the next day. so that's a total of 9-10 days of missing time. my issue is the last time I experienced it it was with someone else also noticing it with me, and that guy had to work technically an extra day in our perspective experience without pay which bothers me and probably him.

i need to read the rest of this thread now i hope there's some good speculation here about it because it's all very real

i've also had frequent interaction/relationship type deal with some sort of entity but i'm open to it being a person who found me somehow from another reality-universe or time period

>>42118356
Same

suspicious bump

>>42123702
That is odd. Has anything significantly changed in your life? From the past or present?

>>42123702
this is a good sub com similar topics
r/Retconned

>>42114620
>be me
>driving back from a concert
>friends house is 3.5 hours away
>im the designated driver
>it’s about 3 am
>buddy is passed out in the backseat
>gf is dozing off in the passenger seat
>going around a wide turn where 2 highways meet
>going about 70 mph
>suddenly I realize there is a large Buck around the curve about 20 feet in front of me
>it freezes up staring at me
>deerinheadlights.png
>no time to react or change lanes
>take my foot off the gas, tense up and scream as im bracing for impact
>the scream wakes my friends up
>the car keeps going
>they both say there was no deer
>life hasn’t felt the same since that night

Assuming the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct, if you die in one timeline and in a slightly different reality you didn’t, where else can your consciousness reside from that point forward, except in the reality where you didn’t die?

What lack of dick does to a bitch...

>>42123442
Lay down the meth pipe, bruh. Your heart might really not be able to take more of stim abuse.

>>42119109
get the fuck out then.

>>42114655
Checked

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>>42125918
yeah i've experienced stigmata but like in a chakra zone, I still have the scar itopened up during the summer solstice(manipura/solar plexus) and it opened up again during another summer solstice roughly a few years later. I was meditating with my legs crossed in a lotus like position with the finger/thumb touching near my knees. I also have a rune/alphabet letter than has appeared on my arm that hasn't left for years too. I've had a lot of exual/comforting shadow person experiences during sleep paralysis. like spooning cuddling me and more, or fixing my sleeping posture. also this but I masturbatedwith a plushie while on my period and the next day it was cleaned somehow(I lived alone at the time)
>>42126341
i'm unfamiliar with the term kinda? will check ot out is it about media or personal stories? still need to read this thread here on /x/ too i'm just quickly checking in. if you read my above reply the retcon term makes me think of the letter on my arm now actually but idk.

>>42114620
death opened up my mind. it expanded my mind. because of death i now know that butter is way better than margarine. i saw through the bullshit. when i was dead i would see things like beams of light, and i would hear sounds that sounded an awful lot like car horns.

>>42120653
this nigga been to eiriel

>>42123588
>Each aspect is legitimate observation but few people are oriented to all of these as aspects of a single reality
that is correct. reality is not singular until a choice is made. then the wave function collapses, information is generated, and history is recorded as “change done to objects”. this history is “universal” in the sense that the event happened for everyone, not just some. for example, we collectively make the choice to continue existence as a species until we don’t - once that choice is made, however reality *becomes* singular.
> This post is the most accurate version of interpretation of what the point of this topic is related to.
thank you, to me it is an important area of study
>the current state of public sector technology has no means of acknowledging or addressing this
yes, the irony is that we are already born with the tech

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Pretty sure that I'm one of those souls that came here to uplift your karma ridden asses into a higher timeline.

>>42128775
So then how do I use retrocausality to my advantage? I can change the past decision, but how do I do it and make sure it shifts my current reality?

>>42130270
Well?

>>42130270
>>42130371
Need a real answer.

>>42114655
Fucking Korea trash

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>>42130270
> So then how do I use retrocausality to my advantage?
that statement assumes retrocausality exists and works against your advantage, right? by the laws of physics, it has to work the other way, too
break the word down
retro
>return
causal
>related to the cause
while you may not be able to physically time travel yet, your consciousness, being a very special type of quantum computing device, has the ability to “return to the cause” of the effect, or event, and change the “why” of something irreversible that happened.
now let’s look at the phrase “everything happens for a reason”. this statement is actually categorically “truer” than “everything is an accident” because time itself creates a causal relationship between events in order to progress. in other words, “teleology” is a function of cause and effect, and although chaos is a major player, there is still an end to every timeline (or “purpose” for existence).
>an example:
if you get into a bad car accident and are permanently maimed, you can either decide that the “reason” it happened was negative - you can’t work now, you’ll never play ball again, your wife will leave because you’re disfigured and lame - or you can decide that it was a positive event - you survived an NDE, you’re given an opportunity to improve yourself, maybe also a large settlement comes your way because of it, etc. by reconnecting and examining the cause of an event, then making a deliberate and subjective choice to view it a certain way, you can literally change the “reason” something occurred, and therefore it’s “effect”. the strangest thing about this phenomenon is, if done correctly, the wave function collapses and everyone else will experience the change you made as well.

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>>42130725
cont’d
>>42130270
> I can change the past decision
decent start, but do you know why you made it in the first place?
>but how do I do it and make sure it shifts my current reality?
here’s a hint: you don’t change the decision you change the reason you made it. understand the reason you made the decision and you will understand how it directly impacts the outcome (or effect), and therefore what can be reasonably changed. if you don’t understand “why” (purpose) you will keep making decisions that will lead to the undesired outcome, or patterns that are very similar to it. shift the reason something happened and its history - or information generated by the event - will shift as well.
also learn about superdeterminism

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>>42114620
Interesting question.

You see, when I had my NDE, the me that inhabited this body originally evacuated. What and who I am is an entirely new observer that kind of swooced into the empty flesh, and had to start from scratch in the body of a 20 year old man. had to learn how to speak, walk, and the like. The cool thing is that the body I entered had those traits already embedded in, so it didn't take too long. Got bathroom training done in a day, walking took about 2 days, speaking however took about a year, and it's still, at a strange level. I can speak very well, but that's the problem, it's *too* well. My casual pace and tone is high academic English that gets mixed with polyglottic tongue that drones on at Homer paces; and that is actually me trying to speak like a commoner. In the first year of embodiment, speaking was more... how to say, "Hand signs, pictographs, gestures, and expressions"

Over the next 16 years, I and the body I inhabited went on a strange dualistic journey as its new pilot, before realizing "Ah, it would seem that the body has its own memories, and its own individuality in and of Itself" and we're currently sussing out the memory things, in what is "Me" and what is "Body"

The best way to describe it, is that I, the Observer, am Dio Brando; attached to the headless body of Johnathan Joestar; and together we are DIO.

In that, I have sincere sympathy to the observer who was vacated from the body, but he and I are not the same person, I am merely wearing his same jacket, aware that he and I are not the same being, that his memories, while part of the jacket, are not the same as my memories.

That is how our experience has went.

>>42114620
any long-term loopers (1 year+)? doing research.

>>42130972
yes, i am
>>42116390
>>42118325
>>42123702
>>42127643

what kind of research are you doing?

>>42130972
i mean in the sense this has happened over a span of years

>>42130983
>>42130991
sorry, i am looking for people who have been able to loop back at least a year. your experiences are pretty cool though

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>>42114620
we looping

>>42131575
slip slipping through the threads of time

>>42121796
Thank you anon, sincerely. Life is hard and every day is a battle. Every little bit of help helps.

>>42128386
Had to google that, but lol. Even I wouldn’t recommend Benadryl abuse to my worst enemy. I’ve never tried it myself, thank God.

I have no idea what happened to me and don’t really have any hope that I ever will. All I know is that it was the most horrible experience of my life, it didn’t change me overnight or anything it just put the literal fear of God into me, or at least the fear of something. I’ve never been more terrified of anything in my entire life.

>>42132264
stay clean, nigga

>>42120420
>>42132264

What was the Void like?

>>42117556
It had no relation to death, it was more of an out-of-body experience. Now that I remember, I could see the past but from a present perspective. I could also see or perceive some things from the future, almost 15 years later, I think it was very accurate

>>42132792
If by the void you mean the missing time between being awake and talking, and then being revived from an overdose; usually by narcan, cpr, pure luck, or somebody just sticking you in a bathtub full of ice cold water (good to know btw), it’s all just missing time. Best comparison I can make is to Xanax or other benzodiazepine abuse. We used to call them “time traveling pills” and “mind erasers” because if you took too many of them you would instantly awaken in the future. Often times you awaken to discover that you were up and about causing serious damage because you were blackout intoxicated for a day or two on a medicine that removes anxiety and inhibition.

I don’t know if these kinds of experiences are at all analogous to actual death though.

> Be me, age 17
> I'm visiting lifeguard boyfriend at his place
> Chilling, listening to music
> Why's it getting dark in here?
> Look around me. Lamp is fine, sun in shining.
> Touch my face. Eyes are wide open.
> Wut.
> "Hey, is it just me or is it getting dark in here?"
> He looks confused
> Body is starting to feel heavy. Each breath feels like pushing a huge pile of sand off my chest.
> "I think I'm dying"
> Very confused boyfriend rushes to my side, I feel he's there.
> I can't see him anymore. I see somewhere else.
> Long hallway made of brick lit by brass lamps
> Guy dressed in a grey cloak with huge shears in a holster at his side greets me
> "Fancy meeting you here. You've been good, so I'll let you choose: Die now or live forever."
> I can very faintly hear my boyfriend like he's somewhere far away, "Don't die, DAMN YOU!"
> I think it over for a few moments.
> Is he serious about Forever? But do I really want to be dead at 17?
> I'll live
> I sit up gasping for air.
> I can see. Everything is normal again.
> Boyfriend is curled up in a ball in the corner crying his eyes out.
> He looks shocked seeing me sitting there.
> "But... you died..." he stammers, pushing the snot and tears away

My head has been a little foggy ever since. I think I got a little brain damage from being dead, but I have never been checked. How would I even get a doctor to check? "Hey, man, I kinda died. Can you scan my head?" No doctor would ever believe me.

So that's it. That's the time I randomly died and came back. No clue if I can die again. All I know is I'm still here decades later.

>>42132982
Thanks for sharing that. This kind of stuff isn’t always easy to talk about, even anonymously.

>>42130270
>I can change the past decision, but how do I do it and make sure it shifts my current reality?
If you change the past, you now have zero reason to change the past. Either your attempt will fail, or you'll end up in a different reality where things didn't happen. That's usually how it goes.

>>42134191
I’m aiming for the latter. Switching realities should be simple.

>>42132982
did anything in your past change?

>>42114620
Sometimes I think I might find myself in a younger self one day. What should I do?
1) Write—and I repeat, write down by hand—everything you remember from your previous life. Memory can be fleeting, like waking up from a dream. Even if you're at work or in an important meeting, find an excuse to leave work to write, even if it means getting fired. That information is valuable, even if the new timeline might be significantly different.
2) To understand what might be important, imagine communicating with a past you at crucial points in your life. The important thing, more than avoiding mistakes, is the mindset to avoid them, as avoiding one mistake could lead to a worse one. You know your past self better, simply because you have more experience.
3) You should write down your dreams upon waking; if you don't remember them, you'll hardly remember another life.
Finally, these things shouldn't be sought or provoked. All the traditions I know of severely punish those who voluntarily end their own life.

>>42131070
still looking for a relatively long-term loop experience.

>>42131070
>>42137055
oh okay. yeah, I feel like that may be more difficult to achieve. looping back a day seems less hard I think, as days going by are hardly noticeable. someone like year/years would be noticeably more different. maybe more anons would indulge if there are any if you outlined why you want to research it, maybe make a burner email account if they want more privacy but I would love to know too here on /x/

idk if it counts probably not but i've traveled back into the 90s in a dream with a paranormal spirit like lover entity thing or something, but we arrived in a school bus and were sent to a school that used to be a prison, we browsed through the library books there. vaguely prince vibes in the dream with his 1999 song. might be a warning about going too far or a deterrent.

>>42114620
Yes and no. Yes in that I circumvented my own death as I saw it unfolding in the future had I continued on that path that I was on, and no because I did not actually die. But my old self did.

>>42137055
>>42137132
also to add, now that i think about i think it was the 90s when i was a child and saw a shadow person standing behind me in a mirror, could have been said entity/person who time travels who is currently around me now

i'm probably being researched too by someone/something

>>42114620
>Have you ever died or had an NDE?
Yeah. Nearly died taking some drugs. There was nothing. Like falling asleep, but past falling asleep. Then fucking NOTHING.
I would not recommend learning that early.

>>42121414
>inb4 not a drug board
Fair enough, but I'm surprised how anyone manages to find DMT. Marijuana, mushrooms, LSD are fairly easy to source on the grey market, even online, but I don't have any contacts in the Seattle-Tacoma area. Asking around on 3rd and Pine seems like a bad idea.

>>42138341
you were in the “void” and there are ways to actively enter that state; the fact that we can come back from it could mean that we can go anywhere and everywhere from that point. theoretically you could isekai yourself but it’s more likely just the state of being in the womb or some shit

>>42138354
DMT finds you when its time. If you want to speed up the process, try connecting with local psychedelics groups. If you seek it, it will find you.

>>42138354
you just need to take a walk around the arboretum right after halloween until january. i used to pick them every year before moving to Hawaii, where we dont have cyans unfortunately

>>42139372
ive read that there is dmt in the acacia and Koa tree roots here but I havent tried it yet

>>42139400
You could probably get some mimosa hostilis root bark and make it yourself. One batch should yield enough for a year of responsible trips.

>>42114620
NDE faggots have never died. I'm tired of people pretending they died and came back.

>>42139415
>t. someone who has never died

>>42139549
No one who can post here has ever died, i can hear you mouth breathing from here.

>>42130616
I'm the person who posted this;
>>42123588

The fact is that what you are thinking about as tangible physical material reality is actually not a fixed constant as it appears to be. The only thing that is constant is your own consciousness and its relationships with the other organized fields of the other consciousnesses.
Turns out that this is much more complicated than the single surface of the equation that we are typically able to perceive. Human technology is just now barely able to detect the tiniest subcomponents of the quantum fields and has not yet figured out how the foundation of consciousness is attached within the context of the fields and respective apparent particles of their respective field.
It's not entirely a chaotic mess.. there are relationships between the things that we perceive as near and far.. and the distant past and far distant future.
The biggest thing you can do towards seeing this is to develop your own ability to manage the cognitive imagery within your mind. You have been dismissing more than you realize from within your own conscious awareness.. glimpses of 'vision' that are exposing aspects of the functionality of these extensions of our existence beyond the easily recognized physical material phase of matter.
Remembering your dreams in far more complete detail is a beginning towards gaining real insight into how this is actually functioning. Taking the time to fully extract the memory of the events of each time you were sleeping is a valuable first step. It is never that you actually saw nothing while you were asleep.. and you can learn how to remember.

>>42139601
You are sort of missing the point. This reality is not as simple as you think it is.. your consciousness is attached to the reality you are thinking about as permanent and solid. The physical material is not actually the foundation of our existence.. a deeper energy is causing many people to glimpse beyond the boundaries that you are seeing as a between life and death.
They may not fully understand what they are seeing and they may have made errors in the effort to comprehend the situation but the fact remains that they have managed to perceive something that they are struggling to explain.
If you haven't even noticed the phenomenon then you can see only one tiny part of the information that has them confused about the nature of reality.. and you will remain completely unaware of the fact that some humans have already developed deep foundational comprehension of what our existence is actually compromised of.

>>42139638
Or they can be hallucinating due to being half dead.

>>42139670
r/atheism is that way nigga.

>>42139793
No. And i don't see how thinking these people are hallucinating makes you an atheist.

>>42139815
The neurology of hallucinations is worth examining. At the end of the day even these images within the mind have an origin. Knowledge of consciousness and neurology is going to be developed into actionable technological insights eventually. The beings from the stars have technology that allows direct integration between consciousness and equipment, and direct transfer of imagery between minds.
Even confused mistaken cognitive imagery will be understood by technology from the foundation of the root origins within the neurology of the brain as well as imagery shared by means of the quantum fields of consciousness beyond the physical brain and mind.

>>42114620
>Have you ever died or had an NDE?
yes
>If so, did it bring you back in time or switch you to an alternate reality where your death didn’t happen/the circumstances aren’t repeated?
meds

>>42140408
"Meds" is the simplest way to clarify that you depend on jewish psychological operations for your own most fundamental concepts so you can be sure that you are grazing on the same cud as the rest of the contained and controlled captive mindless herd.
Read the letters between Freud and Jung

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>>42114620
Crazy thing. I woke up one day and was a Chad who worked out and had a hot af blonde gf and loved in Rhode Island in this cozy af lil duplex house thing. I had a tiny bookshelf with a bunch of good books on it, and my walls were decorated with shit that was very far from stuff I would own now, but I could see myself if I changed a bit getting into whatever it was. Lot of athletic shit and a few local businesses or event posters. I didnt have much of a memory of anything else. Called my mom, asked her wtf and she said “no this has always been ur life”. Talked to my girlfriend who I could tell really loved me, and it took a few tries and a few days, and said something like
>babe, I am not larping a movie, I have not gone insane, I don’t even know where to go to go to work, I am a very different person than this, and I regret it cuz this is awesome, but I do not know you, (detailed my other (this) life), kept telling her things I remember and asking about facts about my life to see if she could prove I had existed before I woke up there, like with a detailed timeline
I quit working out and the apartment became a mess in a few days, but she stuck with me, I called my family and told them what was up, and they made plans to come and visit. Show they show up and somehow or another me and my sibling get in a huge car crash and they almost or do die, and I am fucked up, and I tell my mom in that universe that in this universe I could do a thing to reset time or some shit, and I’m laying in the hospital bed and a tornado of wind whips up and tears papers off the walls and the whole place starts to shake and lights flicker and I’m back in this life, and time has passed strangely, like it wasn’t a few hours, or the full couple of weeks, but like a few days that I had not experienced, that I asked my family what happened and I don’t remeber what they said, but it was some odd as fuck shit, not a dream.

I remeber wrecking my room there very well

>>42138341
Please read this post:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37586649/#37592593

>>42140491
no it's just a buzzword
stick it up your ass
what does freud have to say about that?

and i read them ages ago
oooo the lights gonna flicker again btw
>ooo that didnt convince me
who gives a fuck either way
revel in it
or dont
whatever

>>42140610
Thank you, I appreciate it, but on some level I'm at peace. It means I need to do something worthwhile while I exist. The end is just that: the end. Period. Done.

>>42123442
There's something to this. When we die (or go senile with age), only the parts that "vibe" with what we call God survive. The rest is discarded as thought forms and become part of the psychic atmosphere of Earth. This is referred to as "separating the wheat from the chaff" in the Bible. That whole Matthew and judgement thing talks about death. In fact, most things in the Bible people think are historical or prophecies are actually describing different processes of the spiritual life cycle.
It's not that much about being "evil" vs "good", but of being discordant or morally coherent with your spiritual source (ie "God"). It lives in you and talks to you through your conscience.

>>42139670
I'll let you in on a secret. Hallucinations don't exist. The correct term is always illusion. The definition for "hallucination" assumes whatever is being perceived is entirely made up, but there is no such thing. Even the most out-of-touch schizophrenic is seeing illusions, not hallucinations. There's always something real behind all of them. Whether or not the individual discerns that correctly is a different matter.

>>42140395
This doesn't mean what people see in NDEs is a reliable representation of an "afterlife". The accounts are inconsistent, they follow several different patterns, sometimes no recognizable pattern at all. And the most important point, there's brain activity because no one has died during an NDE and has come back to tell us about it. So NDEs are dreams.

If we're talking about the potential of things, factoring in our unknowns, yeah, this and that could be that or the other, but it's pointless to speculate about it, it just turns into wishful thinking and mystifying shit. It's the "i wanna believe" meme.

>>42140741
We're not gonna argue about the ontology of reality, pointless. There are no real boundaries on what is and what is not real. You know what is real for sure though? Semantics, illusions are misinterpretations of already existing sensory input and hallucinations are completely made up sensory inputs. The difference is determined by there being external factors acting independently from you.

>>42140774
Experience is the only real basis for the development of knowledge.
External evaluations based only upon biased arbitrary conclusions can never be equivalent to the level of comprehension available to those who have direct access to the raw data.
It's not a matter of theory to those who have extensive experience with direct cognitive perception.
I get it that those who have no basis for evaluation of this statement will be inclined to assume that no one else has knowledge that they themselves don't have. Experience is the deciding factor for development of a qualified opinion. Without seeing for yourself the entire thing seems like a confusing cloud of nonsense.
Development of the ability to perceive by means of cognitive imagery can be as solidly evaluated as the functions of remote viewing. Once you are familiar with the extent to which you are able to see remotely while out of body during dreamstate consciousness you are then in position to begin with evaluation of cognitive imagery that cannot be confirmed as accurate by means of physical verification after the collection of the raw data.
There is a lot more to it than just guessing blindly.

To the inexperienced creative imagination and visualization of recalled memory are very nearly identical. To become usefully oriented to out of body consciousness requires a long term dedicated effort.. to deliver the knowledge of information gained through cognitive perception to others who lack the same qualifications of experience is similarly complicated. You are left in the position of having to trust the guidance of someone who is claiming to have experienced things that you have not seen for yourself.
From your perspective it seems no different than the illusions of imagery in children's cartoons. The truth is unfortunately only available to those who have earned it. Belief is worthless. You can choose to believe in whatever you like.. with no relationship to actual knowledge of what actually does exist

>>42140620
Cry more, small hat

>>42140862
goyim response. freud would at least have a better one for obvious reasons

>>42114620
When you're close to death there's a "window for actual 'Saving Throws'" (see DnD Saving throws mechanics etc);

This is actually real, "when something would lead to Death you're entitled to roll a bunch of saving throws for real".

If you've had a "Near Death Experience" yourself it's likely "saving throws related"; study if you have managed to "roll a good save" by thinking back to said event and studying the "Spiritual Metaphysics involved".

>>42114620
every time cern tries to make it so i wasnt born i go back and switch it so i was
gf cern

>>42140855
This is simply logic, it's not about experiential elitism. I've had my fair share of personal experiences during my practices, i still believe NDE subjects are hallucinating/dreaming.

You're just trying to blur all lines so you can fit NDEs into your paradigm.

>>42140897
ie "miracolous recoveries" as well as "Guardian Angel Saving Throws" is "Saving Throw related".

ie Saving Throws can cause "Guardian Angel characters (non-real people)" to appear in dangerous situations as a real effect; study if you've ever encountered them.

Said characters are a type of "spiritual characters masquerading as humans" in a type of "surreal fashion"; "some guy surreally showing up out of the blue to assist you in times of need".

>>42140908
And you are using the term "just" as a diminutive to dismiss the notion that any information can be verified beyond the parameters of what you yourself have been able to verify.
Only experience will clarify the situation.. and even then the effort required to successfully evaluate the experience once it has been attained is not a guaranteed process.
I can tell you what you can find but I can't understand it on your behalf.. knowledge is for those who have the ability to earn it for themselves.. and unfortunately it is highly resistant to being shared with those who have no means of verification available to them.

With enough experience the incorrect conclusions are gradually exposed as implausible.. even long before the correct assessments come into view. More often than not the only appropriate response to the gradual process of gathering experience is to suspend belief and disbelief alike until the underlying situation begins to be exposed.

Reality is not waiting for you to be in agreement with it. Right or wrong, you can live your entire life completely unaware of what actually exists and nothing will be affected.

It would require more time spent writing than this entire thread has taken just to write a fraction of a single situation from which my experience comes from. I could publish long volumes of material on many subjects related to the development of cognitive perception. It would be unrealistic to imagine that the average person would be interested enough to seek such information to consume it.. and it will be a much smaller contingent to actually explore with their own consciousness into the realms that can be described

>>42140978
You're ignoring the fact that no one who's tell their NDE story has ever died. Why do people ignore this? That is THE boundary, we don't know what's really going on until we cross it.

You can speculate, extrapolate and relate your experiences to theirs, but none of you have died, End of story. If there's brain activity i attribute their experiences to known parameters.

>>42140593
Thank you for the hope Anon, this might be what gets me over the edge

>>42141006
You're right. They're called near death for a reason. I've had one. The "you" that experiences a nde is not the "you" that is capable of what can be called an afterlife. They do however have a causal link between life and death, in that the nde "state" is as close as the recursive mind can get to death. The "way out" is either transcend it or surrender, else you experience a stack overflow situation at the event horizon of the singularity of death.

>>42141006
You are a sneering materialist and shouldn’t be on this board.

>>42141362
You want me to be a materialist because that's the only way you can process someone attacking your escapist fantasy, but i'm not. Besides, this board is filled to the brim with clinically retarded people, i'd know i've been here for 14 years.

If you can't take differing opinions you should go larp to /b/

You are presuming that no one has any experience beyond your own.. and that your own experience is the definitive evidence of what exists.
You have identified A boundary as if it is the only thing that can possibly be identified in relation to the subject. There exist several that can be perceived at various stages of development of cognitive perception.
One of these allows you to see across two or more of the fields as they divide.. and allows you to witness the process of the division between a plane in which you have no injuries and another in which your body is no longer capable of supporting life due to injury. It's not linear at this point and it's beyond the parameters of what you are considering as possible. For those who have seen it there is no linear physical material evidence of what they have seen.. and yet the perception is registered within the cognitive imagery within their mind. You are dismissing the experience as if the lack of perception is proof that there is nothing to be found in the effort to investigate this subject. The reality is that human technology is not yet able to detect these divisions to track the energetic fields and relationships between them. Even if the technology of reading the imagery from within the brain is developed this will be easier to bring forward as evidence.
People who have been in combat often speak of situations that fall into this category of experience. Many who have returned from combat are able to describe their own experiences with perception of their inexplicable survival in perilous situations. Upon investigation into the subject it becomes obvious that the extreme odd improbable outcomes have something to them other than simple probability math.
You can presume that your own experience is the highest level of knowledge attainable all you like.. but only experience will cause you to have your own direct observation that something more is going on than the apparent linear physical material would indicate.

>>42141488
You seem to be asserting that you are one of them..

>>42141511
>You seem..
Don't try to guess stuff, you're stupid. All i did was brush away your elitist remark about me not belonging here because of your baseless assumptions.

>>42141488
>“Escapist fantasy”
I’m not a reality shifting or LoA guy. This is about NDEs which have been verified and researched for decades. You’re spewing physicalist BS on a paranormal board, what kind of response did you expect?

>>42141525
Go look up the definition of the word 'seem' and reevaluate your response.
You now seem even more so than before to be one of them. Filled to the brim, yourself included.

>>42141526
I'll repeat it again for the HoH special eds. NDEs aren't a reliable representation of an afterlife because the people experiencing them and coming back have NEVER DIED. Realizing this doesn't make anyone a "physicalist".

All the heat from you retards is coming from the simple fact you all feel threatened by someone challenging the idea of NDEs being direct afterlife representations. That just makes you insecure and gullible.

>>42141577
You jumped to conclusions based on baseless assumptions, i'd call that guessing. Now stop bickering.

>>42141654
>>42141525
Even more so because you assumed that I was that other poster.. as if you knew for certain that you were in a private conversation with only one person

Im guessing now that your entire conceptualization of this subject is suffering due to the length of the bus that took you to school... correlation and causation being such as it is..

>>42141671
What even are you using as an argument here? Kek. What is this womanly bickering my god.

Address the points relating to the topic or go suck yourself off please.

I stuck a fork in an electrical socket as a kid and went to a fractalizing infinity that was was centralized by an ordinary looking toaster. I felt at peace, but after the price of toast popped out I woke up in the hospital, so I don't know if that that means about the meaning of life, but I've contemplated it a lot, and have come to the conclusion that it might be delicious.

>>42141760
The primary argument is that you have accepted the limited confines of the physical material plane as the boundaries of your conceptualization of the subject being discussed in this thread. That, and your attempting to control the narrative by providing the foundation of the subject for everyone else (especially those who have experience beyond what you yourself have experienced) is the basis for the assertions that you don't belong here. You can take your narrative to /sci/ or quit trying to ram your limited views down everyone else's throats.. or expect to see resistance to your narrow view and perspective

Try to understand what others have experienced.. and suspend your disbelief and belief alike for long enough to grasp what others are reporting

Religious texts have referenced this phenomenon.. specifically the bhagavad gita..

Look at the book " hot night in the city " by trevanian to see that even a former cia operative is making reference to the phenomenon in plausibly deniable context.

There is simply more to the subject than you are acknowledging

The movie Jacob's Ladder is a glimpse into the fact that someone knows a lot more about the subject than the public sector is being told

>>42141654
Not insecure/gullible. You are quite literally defeating the purpose of the board and diverting the discussion away from the main topic. Nobody cares what you have to say here. Like the other poster said, there’s a board for this >>>/sci/

>>42141797
The divisions between the planes of reality show up in many ways.. the more developed your ability to remember the details of dreams and events in every context of life the more likely it is that you will notice the cognitive imagery that correlates across multiple formats.. from the physical events in the tangible world to the imagery within cognitive visions and dreams..
Noticing how many layers are integrated together can drive you to madness or deep insight depending on your own character and the depths of your knowledge.

Reality is much more complicated and involved than the appearance of the single surface layer of the material plane.. I expect it will likely be several more centuries before human technology is able to support the types of knowledge that can be gathered by the application of direct cognitive imagery perceptions. Humans don't yet have a means of measuring consciousness itself.. and this will be fundamental to the technology that can detect the full scope of what is possible within it

>>42141498
excellent post

>>42141851
>>42141862
There's too much fart sniffing in here. You're all so fucking binary the moment someone points out boundaries that threaten the ambiguity of your lazy metaphysics you try to exile them to another board kek. I either accept NDE subjects have visited "the afterlife" or i'm a filthy materialist that doesn't belong in the board. That's fanaticism, elitism and desperation all in one.

The point still stands, there's no way to know if these people experienced an ""afterlife"". Our experiential insight means nothing, none of us has died. Since brain activity hasn't ceased in any of the NDE subjects my inclination is logical. I'm not gonna "suspend my disbelief", i don't need to suspend disbelief, my paradigm is plenty adaptable already. Neither of you can say the same.

>>42119109
Well, have you?

>>42121414
Drugs are not a near death experience

This topic fascinates me as someone fresh off of a massive existential crisis and dipping my toes into learning about the spiritual and material, but in the back of my head lies the thought this is all a cope stemming from the innate fear of death. That any profound experience I have will be a trick of a dreaming or drugged mind, and that it cannot be so unless I can verifiably interact or witness the world around me and confirm it with another individual. The only kind of hopeful notion I can carry is that if there is nothing after this and God doesn't exist, that we were supposedly born from nothing, so this can't truly be it from a conscious perspective even if the "me" that I am now disappears.

>>42139415
I know. Most people here are larping. Writing as if it's one of their JRPGs

>>42142140
"Fart sniffing" complained about by the guy with his head up his own ass. Whoda thunkit.
Just because you personally have no idea how to go about getting a clue doesn't mean everyone else has the same limitations. I bet you imagine that the intelligence community is sitting with their thumbs up their assets and they're stuck with the same limitations that have stopped you cold in the effort to investigate this.
Popular media items such as the movie Jacob's Ladder are the output products of the intelligence community operatives that have long since gotten to the bottom of the subject that you are unable to even properly acknowledge.
If you are truly dedicated to your own limits and ineptitude then you will probably continue to argue your losing position in this conversation.

>>42142407
Make your case against someone specific or concede that you can only talk in generalities to support your imaginary straw man.