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>>42125178
> Kundalini
https://archive.org/details/BiologyOfKundalini_201903/page/n28/mode/1up
https://www.baytallaah.com/bookspdf/jonn%20mumford%20-%20chakra%20&%20kundalini%20workbook%20%5Bocr%5D.pdf
https://maypoleofwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/ajit-mookerjee-kundalini-the-arousal-of-the-inner-energy.pdf
https://ia801902.us.archive.org/2/items/KundaliniEnergyOfTheDepthsLilianSilburn/Kundalini%20Energy%20of%20the%20Depths%20-%20Lilian%20Silburn.pdf
https://www.scribd.com/document/848500622/Kundalini-Psychosis-or-Transcendence-text
https://annas-archive.li/md5/3a809f867202649b9e1a7f7e15a37043
>I don't want to read some scitzo bs
Here is an academic reference https://www.theosophy.world/sites/default/files/ebooks/Goswami/Laya-Yoga%20by%20Shyam%20Sundar%20Goswami_0.pdf
>I'm Christian bro, this got to be Satanic or something
Nw https://www.sheshnaag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/kundalini_and_christianity.pdf

>Vril/other
https://libraryofagartha.com/Ancient%20History/Hyperborea%20and%20Atlantis/VRIL%20Compendium%20Vol%202%20VRIL%20Telegraphy-%20(%20PDFDrive%20).pdf
https://archive.org/details/vril-compendium-vol-1-vril-white-ray-conductors/page/n201/mode/2up
https://annas-archive.li/md5/76414b6b4ac905bcd11ec31fd07f60ea

TLDR: Just practice/partake in: fasting, a raw diet, overt-generosity, no fap, compassionate action, breathwork, meditation and adventure

>>42125180
If this doesn't fit your taste you can find search for them here

(warning like 50Gb (selectively downland what you want)
Energy Healing
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Taoism, Daoism
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,rise up

Pervious thread
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>>42125185
also here are some yt links
https://www.youtube.com/@CraigMallett/videos
>https://www.youtube.com/@StandStillBeFit/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2RAEnWreoE - Shaolin Qigong 15 Minute Daily Routine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUB-i92b6tY - Daily Standing Meditation (Zhan Zhuang Qigong) Intro and Instructions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svydHSWOmb4 - Building And Balancing Your Qi With Standing Practices
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX6ANrQcQww- Daily Practice 2 - Pranayama, Chi, LIFE FORCE ENERGY Exercise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi9V2FQC68I- falun dafa | falun gong | complete 1 hour exercise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgw42wTo6j0 - Santi, Standing Qigong and Hsingi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSLdcgsuE8M - Ep171: Taoist Master - Bruce Frantzis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utOFpj33TGQ - Falun Dafa English Version

https://www.youtube.com/@HaiYangChannel/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akg3cLzJ3ik

Opinions on nutmeg? It might increase vitality.

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>>42125536
Most herbs are bretty gud. I haven’t felt anything negative from nutmeg, and I use it a lot when I have it. But I don’t have any literature or esoterica to offer.

>>42125536
>>42125796
I do, go on the ecg library go on mysticism, there is a section on herbs there, and there are countless books about it in the library

>>42125536
Nutmeg is a cheap method to get high, it resembles marijuana in the way it works. Still, it does have some side effects, you'll have shaky hands while it works and, perhaps the worst, constantly feeling the taste and smell of nutmeg. I had some fun with it, I won't lie, but I prefer more... interesting substances now.

>>42125790
so the ideal breath is effortless and silent?

>>42126087
When you meditate a lot it can start to tingle when you breathe but there is breathing technique supposed that works on 5 second count in put and hold i heard about. Basically i feel like when you are conscious it comes naturally but its a fact you shouldn't mouth breathe

>>42126124
breath holds have their uses
in particular energy cultivations
but should not be used for meditation, i.e. dhyana
you want it smooth, continuous, unbroken
and yes, effortless and silent
ideally one should cultivate to the point where the breath isnt even felt, at all

>>42125178
Do we know how to cultive energy in such a way that you're no longer anxious and act a lot more instead of just thinking and reflecting. Mentally i am well, but still not doing things in the material world.

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>>42126543
The energy can begin to flow and roate when you meditate but people dont know how. They dont realize the truth and they are truly fools swimming in a sea of deception like a strange dream

>>42126551
Actions does not beget results it only makes you feel well perhaps in narcissicm. True action is sitting still and becoming still and at peace. With one breath i can annihilate your whole existence. Evil people do not know how to meditate and that is why you cant do itl. That is a fact

>>42126589
Fuck off. Meditation is for action oriented people who need to calm dowm and reflect. I am already calm at least on the outside and reflective. Your advice is useless.

>>42126597
I rode my bike for 4+ plus every day in forest park listening to lions roar. You dont know anything I am the master and you will have bad karma for speaking to me this way when you should be meditating. I ameditating right now but you dont know how and just talk shit like a bitch. You will die like a bitch

>>42126578
people wont understand how to decipher your picrel
and it is not alchemically proper for the fire path, either
that image originally came from steven chang's complete book of internal exercises
and he didnt understand the image, either

>>42126605
Riding that bike for 1 hour would have been better. Tryhard idiot.

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The fact is people dont listen to prophets they throw them in dirty wells. Then the prophet gets out and those motherfuckers die

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>>42126611
I know and they are idiots. Its all fire and all the elemts when you breathe and it rotates like a swastika. These idiots will never understand

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>>42126613
I rode my bike like mr bean. Checkmate

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I can break all the spells. I am harry potter. Watch this baby

>>42126628
>Its all fire and all the elemts when you breathe
you dont understand what I've said
but that's ok because 99.9999999999999999999999% wont

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>>42126646
I do understand

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>>42126646
It is you who do not understand what i wrote: all the epements are one and they exemplify fire

>>42126871
you literally wrote that in response to my pointing out that the pic you posted does not contain the correct point locations for the fire path
then you went off on a tangent trying to be smart when what I said went right over your head

>>42126939
I know the correct location of the fire path and all you do is to extenguish the fire.

You are a fool

>>42127013
>I know the correct location of the fire path
if you did then you would have acknowledged my original comment instead of going off on a tangent in an attempt to prove that you know some stuff
>and all you do is to extenguish the fire.
I dont even know how to properly respond to this esl monkeyhammer of your keyboard

>>42125178
As in the last thread:
If anyone wants a jumpstart in their cultivation I am willing to clear as much of your astral/etheric body’s channels/chakras of blockages as our karmas will allow at this point in time. I will also break all contracts that are opposed to your highest good and any curses/entities preventing proper cultivation. In some cases this will awaken your kundalini in others there’s still more work to be done. All you need to do is reply to me and I will send you an energetic transmission. This will be my last thread for a while for cultivation. I’m going to be very busy with my own progress afterwards so get it while you can! God bless.

>>42128526
Bless you

faggots and retards general

>>42129478
Sending you a transmission now.

>>42129650
Salty bitch post.

>>42129650
Post it one more time I know you want the attention lol

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If I just do horse stance and breathe, how far will that get me?

>>42129974
Isn’t Wim Hof an alcoholic who drank himself nearly to death in order to try and climb mount Everest? You ever hear of the story of that chef who was on the Titanic and said ‘Welp if I’m dying it’s going to be with me shitfaced ;) .” and drank a bunch, he ended up surviving because the alcohol expands your blood vessels pumping more to your extremities.

I do believe the practice of heat generation can be achieved but one should look at the test channels first if you wish to learn it.

>>42130085
>alcohol expands your blood vessels pumping more to your extremities.
All this is news to me, but I had always heard alcohol did the opposite. Interesting post. I just chose the pic as an after thought

>>42125178
Are there any good qigong styles for health/self-healing?

>>42130114
the first benefit of any proper cultivation path is health
this is because the first efforts all go towards fortifying the jing

>>42129974
yang cultivations widen the pool
yin cultivations deepen the pool
horse stance is great
but its just a part
best progress will contain both standing as well as sitting cultivation

>>42130085
>he alcohol expands your blood vessels
alcohol thins the blood, it doesnt expand blood vessels
expanding blood vessels = stuff like nitric oxide

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>>42125178
What is stopping us from training Goku style then flying around the world and directly confronting the pedo cabal and reptilians?

>>42130272
would zhang zuang be a good way to start?

>>42125178
>energy description is still some casual bullshit
>OP says he's gonna correct that bullshit next thread
>it's still casual bullshit, mixing up terms and using ones that aren't describing of any energy or quality at all
You had one job.

>>42130514
The fact that you won't be able to do it.

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>>42130564
There isn't a single superpower that is not possible.

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>>42130536
sure
picrel is decent but doesnt give the proper sense of lumbosacral alignment, which should see them both in line with each other and perpendicular to the ground

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>>42130587
Even if we'd assume you're right:
1. Hypothetically possible doesn't mean realistically achievable
2. The likelihood gets much lower with each power
3. It doesn't mean the power would be reliable or at level great enough to let you do what you think. A person can develop some minor telekinesis even as a side-effect of advanced enough spiritual development. Still won't let them swing stuff like in the movies.
4. To develop such powers, you need to refine and change yourself. The powers aren't some boons you get, they're expressions of a soul and character of a practitioner, a side-effect of their spiritual mastery. Fun fact, usually that refinement requires development of attitudes and traits of character that are opposite of typical power fantasy showing off.
5. Many of those who did attain some level of spiritual mastery do not care about random shitheads messing around with the world. For reasons mentioned above, it's unlikely there'd be one using some spiritual attainments for that, but if there'd be, everyone else would come down onto them like a ton of bricks.

You can either dream your anime fantasies or actually pursue actual attainments, but the latter won't be the former, not the way anime usually portrays such. Magic, siddhi, what have you aren't something you do, it's expression of what you are, and power hungry weebs are not conductive to developments there.

>>42130974
not to mention the energy & jing cost

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>>42130974
I already have several superpowers and I didn't do any spiritual mastery. I'm just good and l33t.
Needless limiting beliefs and gatekeeping won't get you anywhere. The opposite attitude is what will get you something. Call the bluff of reality and it will fold.
Sometimes I watch anime and some of the characters have superpowers that I already have. It doesn't feel as cool to watch when I already know how to do it.

>>42131022
>l33t.
I dont think I've seen this spelling since about 2003

>>42131022
I apologize for sounding callous here but I won't tip top around it: I am calling bullshit and accuse you of either lying or giving into delusions.
I don't expect you to be able or willing to prove me otherwise and that's fine, but I know that there are limits put on people fucking around too hard through occult means. Not just a matter of "limiting belief", that, either, but of knowledge that those who rock the boat too hard get thrown into the water.

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>>42131054
>I am calling bullshit
All the hylics say that but then they fuck around and find out.

>>42131102
you've been threatening people every time you show up here
and JACK SHIT happens to them
you are larping and wish you cultivated enough to have expressable power

any anons itt that can help me with moola bandha practice?

>>42131119
This is my first time posting in these threads. You must have me confused for another wizard.
That guy sounds based though.

>>42131102
Smite me, schizo

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>>42131231
I am very lazy with my powers, I do it for my own enjoyment and I don't like being a dancing monkey. You may live.

>>42131272
I accept your concession

>>42131275
Now you're starting to piss me off. You don't want this smoke.

>>42131287
I'm deploying my psychic barriers as we speak faggot

>>42131307
People have said that to me before and it didn't do anything. All your shit is wide open to the astral kekerino.

>>42131102
The fact you act like this, with overblown ego and immediately try for arrogant, patronizing attitude when called out only makes me more convinced I am right by claiming you lie. Please go toleplay your fantasies elsewhere, you're not fooling anyone.

>>42131465
Trying to bait me into showing off huh? Hmm nyo.
I did that before in another thread and all you guys do is shit yourselves quietly and don't say anything.

>>42131558
If I'd truly believe you have actual ability to show off, I wouldn't call you out on your lie as it'd also mean I believe you actually can follow through with your threats.
So no, your excuses are blatant and kinda pathetic. I understand /x/ has a problem with unloved, flawed people making up shit desperate for attention and recognition, but it'd be more healthy if you'd actually spend time working on yourself rather than making weak attempts at people making good points, like >>42130974 because they don't encourage your delusions.

I hope that one day you'll gain actual level of maturity, both emotional and spiritual to indeed manifest some siddhi, and then you won't waste and corrupt your progress by behaving like you do now. You may be trying to convince yourself it's just minor shitposting, but it does prove you have some serious work on some deep issues if that's the way you feel you need to act to get some engagement and attention. For now, I consider my charity toward feeding the troll fulfilled.

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>>42131612
>siddhi
You aren't getting any superpowers by making yourself brown kek.

>>42131809
Good I'm not trying to. The term's pretty widespread in general.

>>42130620
>proper sense of lumbosacral alignment
how do you get that?

>>42128526
Charge me, doktor

>>42132483
Give me 7 minutes starting now.

question. what is the significance if any if I meditated years ago during a binge of sleep deprivation and fasting, and in a position similar to the lotus with my thumbs and index fingers connected laying on my knees during around the time of the summer solstice, my manipura/solar plexus literally physically opened up? my skin burned from the inside out in a circular pattern and now I have a scar there, and it opened up again 3 years later in the same spot during around the time of another summer solstice?

i have pictures.

>>42132483
How do you feel now?

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>>42128526
>>42132719
>>42132483
Reminder:

Even assuming the anon both has good intentions and he has any ability whatsoever, subjecting yourself to random tampering may fuck with your practice. Various practices are built around building and circulating energy of proper qualities through particular ways - random "clearing" and vague "breaking of contracts" without knowing particularities of practice of every single person the anon deals with - may either mess up their practice or even prevent some types of practice built around using and clearing certain blockages "naturally" and limit the user to particular stuff.

Also, anon mentions it being the last thing since quite a while and keeps posting this. I'd be double suspicious of giving consent to such people. May very well be just predatory or again, well-intentioned and clueless: if anon's practice merely is based around feeling good and concentrating on a post and anon behind it to visualize crap, then probably it'll have no effect anyway, but I think it's important for anons to be aware of such stuff, as even when it does something it may be like Reiki healing: for hordes of charlatans and simply powerless people, there's a few who can help and a few who think they're helping but often they substitute one issue for another, sometimes worse.
So, be grateful for a nice offer but mindful of potential risks. In the end, there's no real, lasting shortcuts in one's own development.

>>42134041
>le epic reddit skepticism
Maybe you should take a look up my butthole and be a skeptic of that instead.

>>42134188
Maybe you should develop reading apprehension at the basic level. It's not reddit skepticism, it's basic understanding of how energetic body's development works. If you're thick enough to go for knee-jerk reactions when not understanding what you read, you won't ever manage any sort of development.

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>>42134041
Your caution is fruitless. I have already plucked the yin of your mother to nourish my yang, as I have done countless others. I am transmigrating inside her as we speak. Your prenatal ching is crippled, it shall not return.

>>42134188
are you retarded?
>anon warns other anons about real issue so they make informed decision
>omg must be le reddit skeptic
learn how to read, you shit-for-brains
literally too fucking dumb to be even on /x/ i swear

>>42134353
Guess how you have proven to me you wouldn't be able to do anything on grounds of spiritual knowledge alone. Otherwise, 5/10 bait, shows potential but not there yet.

Anyway, anons are free to disregard the warning, it's shared in good faith but sour grapes unhappy it's not just free sailing to power may be deserving whatever crap comes their way.

>>42132719
>>42134041
It’s definitely a fair warning but I promise you I have the best intentions and only what is allowed by your highest good shall come to pass. There are few people capable of what I can assist you with and they darn sure aren’t on 4chan (except me). There definitely are short cuts to cultivation and as I have said some people will spin their wheels and stay put for the rest of their life without a jumpstart.

>>42134353
That’s honestly hilarious.

>>42134041
What if someone did give that anon consent, is the guy fucked or is there anything he should do

>>42134347
>>42134355
You have no abilities and all you can do is run your mouth like a dumb bitch. Your caution is thinly veiled womanly bitching.

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>>42125180
>adventure
Good one

>>42134403
What’s wrong anon

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>>42134376
>>42134381
I guess I should go over that detail, so we'll be clear.

Again, assuming anon is both honest and with some actual ability, rather than merely "visualizing and feeling things" variety, whether it's harmful or not will be dependent not on consent or whether they had pure intentions, but in a big part on what way stagnant/blocked/used/developed energy body of the person being affected is and what are the practices they pursue.

I am a bit skeptical exactly because of the blanket "your highest good" statements. What's good for a person will be very subjective, so either it will differ from person to person or is declared from some sort of completely different vantage/standpoint, to effect said person may disagree was their "highest good".

Let's try this:
Imagine trying to initiate/jumpstart someone in this way is kinda like putting in more power/overclocking a computer. Depending on not only a model, but that particular item, it may indeed help or it may trip some breaker or fry the whole thing. Then, that very act changes how that machine may operate - maybe it will indeed overclock it in a way that will help you mine cryptocurrency, but by the nature of direction/way in which it was overclocked, it will do poorly or outright crash when used as a server or trying to run a video game.

It's why many traditions advocate caution in mixing practices from different sources for such development. The effects may reinforce each other or they may run against each other. Similarly with powerful practices that have to be very carefully managed, progress applied steadily etc.
A "deviation" is more often seen in some xianxia fantasy literature than real world, but people rushing or mixing things ending up with health issues or outright - both energy and physical body - crippling conditions, up to including outright life-threatening internal organ failure are a valid concern.

Now, silver lining (next post).

>>42132319
tuck the tailbone so that they come into alignment

>>42134423

There are ways to decrease risks, but they usually also severely decrease effectiveness of such jumpstart/initiation. I do not know how and what exactly anon offering help does nor will I claim I am experienced enough to be able to judge it even if I'd check his work, so there may or may not be more/less concern when it comes to their work - though given average level of anon practitioners, even with some skill on /x/, I'd rather lean toward caution.

And that's all that is. For willingness to help, an anon deserves respect, but I think it's some issue for them to ignore/not mention potential risks which is all I wanted to bring so everyone knows what they're getting themselves into.

The >>42128526 anon pointing out what tradition (and school because, say, even in neidan there are HUGE differences between carious schools) his practice comes from, what is it using and toward what it's meant to affect how (is he try to stimulate some dantian, or just forces energy to travel through spine kundalini style - it makes a huge difference and comes with different risks) would probably help.

>>42134447
Pardon typos, not being able to pay too much attention and multitasking.

>>42134402
Given how angry and rude you act, I'd claim you projecting the "womanly bitching" part. Feel free to disregard the warning, but acting angry cause someone expressed concerns based on some common understanding of certain spiritual practices is very suspicious.

>>42134423
This.
Human body, energy or physical one is a precise system. It can withstand some tampering, but the same way you can't just pump it full of nutrients, hormones etc and expect it'll be at its best without risks, you cannot just vaguely "power up" the energy body without the balance and stability of that system being shaken.
If it'd be all about just jumpstarting people, any half-decent master could just walk and jumpstart his pupils left and right rather than spend time building/training them up.

>>42134476
>any half-decent master could just walk and jumpstart his pupils left and right rather than spend time building/training them up.
maybe they do and they just don't tell them so as not to take away their sense of accomplishment

>>42134485
Unlikely. Sense of accomplishment wouldn't ever make up for years of time of both parties spent, with both master investing and sacrificing their time they could spend or something else, and students spending both the time and effort to get anywhere.
Actual spiritual development, if meant to be at a good pace is also actual work/effort with steep requirements and deep effect on lifelong lifestyle.
It's just the end goal is worth it.
If skipping all that work would be easily possible with no downsides, no one would even want to bother with it.

>>42134423
>>42134476
>>42134485
I know or at least one case of a guy who got "activated" by some master by random happenstance and on a whim before they moved apart, and he did develop some abilities. The issue is that he's pretty much locked there - sure, got bragging rights and a few nifty tricks, but without actual training and tutelage, he neither can develop well nor knows how much he can do and where he can go from there and not fuck himself up.

>>42134497
I think being made to think early results could encourage you to pursue greater results, so I guess it depends on the scope of the shortcut.

>>42134505
>>42134485
Abilities that are just given and not fully developed, made one's own will be either temporary or likely disappear at life's end. What you will build up yourself and make part and expression of who you are, even if with help and training from others, will endure into your future lives, at least partially.

>>42134517
>made to see early results
im dumb

>>42134476
>Human body, energy or physical one is a precise system. It can withstand some tampering, but the same way you can't just pump it full of nutrients, hormones etc and expect it'll be at its best without risks, you cannot just vaguely "power up" the energy body without the balance and stability of that system being shaken
I guess it may explain why in some temples and schools I know of the training is really student going through exercise they already know, with master being there mostly to monitor and correct mistakes so student slowly consolidates gains without danger - rather than said students going their own way the moment they learn those exercises.

>>42134517
>>42134521
Sure, but if it'd be all just a matter of a jumpstart, they wouldn't need encouragement - they're already set up for success from get-go so no one would have to bother with anything else. We probably would be chock-full of accomplished mystics and could mass-produce them.

>>42134447
>Now, silver lining (next post)
Where's the lining, anon? What is your background/lineage?

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>>42134447
>The >>42128526 anon pointing out what tradition (and school because, say, even in neidan there are HUGE differences between carious schools) his practice comes from, what is it using and toward what it's meant to affect how (is he try to stimulate some dantian, or just forces energy to travel through spine kundalini style - it makes a huge difference and comes with different risks) would probably help.
This is good.

>>42128526
Can you tell us how and what you'd be doing to jumpstart people? I'd be fine with it and request such myself if you'd tell us and also make sure to avoid such unwelcome risks.

>>42134536
The silver lining was in the next post at >>42134447 in that it's not all just a danger but there's ways to make the effect safer, both through however anon does his jumpstart if they'll be careful and take people's differences into account and by telling people first what, how they will do it so folks with compatible/uncompatible traditions/cosmologies know where there may be issues. Sorry I cannot offer anything more than that as a silver lining.
>>42134536
While there were some practitioners in my extended family, funnily enough most of my own background stems from western occultism. I didn't join any order or group though, yet alone one an anon here would recognize. I have some bit of practice with stuff like qigong, mostly basic stuff for physical health benefits purely "shen" practices may at times neglect.
I wouldn't want to appear as any special authority though. I am not some powerful adept, I am just a guy a bit older than average here, with a tiny bit of a practice, a few interesting experiences over the years and perhaps half a clue. The whole discussion stemming from my warning was unexpected since I know a lot of it was basic considerations, especially when it comes to eastern practices.

>>42134534
The majority feel silly and can't entertain the idea of being a mystic, they would neither show up nor ask, regardless of the testimonials. I agree though, there short definitely be more if a jumpstart with no effort was the sole mechanism.

>>42134569
>stuff like qigong, mostly basic stuff for physical health benefits
interesting. tell me about these benefits.

>>42134582
Nothing that you wouldn't be able to find after cursory searching of such benefits. As I am a bit older, there is typical health decrease and qigong helps me manage it. From more serious things, it also helped me with semi-chronic back issue and - though it was somewhat dumb and risky of me, I know - resolving some other illnesses/conditions I was told are were advanced enough to unlikely to be resolved without hospitalization. From the "mystical" side, it may have helped me with some basic things as well but I'd rather stay vague here because it's nothing impressive, yet still would give ammo to random anons to claim LARP and it's unrelated to my earlier points anyway.

>>42134423
>will be dependent not on consent or whether they had pure intentions, but in a big part on what way stagnant/blocked/used/developed energy body of the person being affected is and what are the practices they pursue.
This point would use elaboration. Anons can tell me whether I am wrong.
Put "more power" into lower dantian of a qigong practitioner, if they are still at the level of mostly meditation and light exercises, they will be fine.
Do the same for practitioner of kundalini who forcefully tries to push it up the spine, and the person may get kundalini awakening more easily but if their energy channels won't be prepared for such a boost (and usually they're not, from what I've seen kundalini practices far more often go for brute-forcing things, which may work for some but also makes the insane behavior around awakening, hallucinations and involuntary movement much more common) they may outright fuck themselves up royally.

>>42134594
can you be more specific about the qigong you practiced?

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>>42134635
specifics are against /x/ policy anon, you should know that

>>42134635
Started with Baduanjin and I still consider it basics for health, not necessarily something mystical but it's a good, light exercise regimen (though to be done well it shouldn't be simply physical exercise - you're to keep awareness and attention, so qi moves smoothly in sync with body).
Aside from that, microcosmic orbit and a bunch of, not sure what and if named exercises for particular issues or goals, usually easily found by going basic bitch google "[goal] qigong exercise" and filtering things that either are suspicious or outside of beginner level. Alongside microcosmic orbit I found a few similar exercises for moving qi around, but I am neither certain they did me good nor really stuck to them.
Now, the thing is that before I went with it I had a bit of experience with western occult practices like I've said and qigong was meant to "plug" the neglected physical health part. Mixing things up like that without care is as I've mentioned risky (thus my warning beginning this exchange) and there were some of those intentionally left vague experiences and mystical bits related perhaps to that - but I've said that way LARP accusations and other issues lie, so I'll spare myself that.

>>42134838
Oh shit, you're right, let me delete >>42134880 right now!
Nah, I'm kidding. But I am busy and I didn't want this to be about me so I'll be moving on from this line of questions.

>>42134884
Pardon my bait, you didn't claim to be an expert. Practitioners of whatever are quick to talk about inane shit but clam up when they are asked about the methods and their products, no undue malice meant toward you specifically.

>>42134880
I blame poor documentation on people just jumping into MCO way too soon
there's all kinds of work to be done before doing that
otherwise you're turning a relatively if not mostly empty wheel

>>42135264
>otherwise you're turning a relatively if not mostly empty wheel
I do recall anon being told something like that in the previous thread. But he mentioned how if qi follows shen, there's still something flowing there and the person who made the empty wheel analogy, which may have been you, didn't explain or describe practices and exercises the other anon should pursue before getting to microcosmic orbit.
If you have some good training regimes you can attest as being pretty good for anons to go through themselves, a recommendation would be welcome.

>>42135375
the MCO open by virtue of the dantiens
so if lower middle and upper work hasnt reached a certain stage, one will be sitting there doing circulation exercises that are intended for opened pathways that wind up doing very little or next to nothing
the circulation exercises are not the opening exercises
pretty much all the publicly available information you find out there on this doesnt mention that fact
because pretty much all of it purposefully leaves out key information
in the same way that all the kundalini material you find out there leaves out the most basic aspect of taking real actions to shut the ida/pingala & isolate the shushumna during the practice, leaving what's taught incomplete at best

>>42130559
That graph here >>42125178 is complete bullshit. It's from Sahaja Yoga which is just a personality cult for boomers. They don't have the slightest idea about energy. The fact that OP picked this is a clear indicator of not having any idea either.

>>42135613
>>42130559
Hey so i was the guy who said he will change it,
And i was also not the guy he posted this thread. someone did it before me

>>42135443
Alright, so you say that plenty of stuff out there is flawed. That ignores the big, important part of the post:
Can you provide a training/exercise regimen, some source material, books, whatever that would let anons get there/past these issues without similar flaws?
I understand, it's easy to pick issues in things, but what alternatives can one offer, given that the best choice - an actual master who'd explain such stuff - is not available to average /x/fag?

>>42135837
Welp, hopefully next time it'll go better then.

>>42131022
>anime pic
>superpowerbabble
>muh hylics
lole

>>42132717
bump?

>>42136256
>>42132717
Chakra opening up shouldn't lead to any scarring or other such stuff. If anything, I'd expect negative, not positive effect. Some imbalance, perhaps?

>>42134540
I’ll sit in lotus and use my third eye to see where there are blockages in your subtle body at the finest levels imaginable in the etheric and the astral as much as I can remove. This involves seeing into higher dimensions and removing obstacles such as past life trauma/karma/curses/entities or whatever and they must be removed in astral combat as man’s true nature is prevented from healing itself by demonic presence. Many people talk about powers or siddhis and I don’t promise anyone that. I at least promise equanimity and the ability to sit in stillness and develop yourself along whatever path you choose. This clearing won’t interfere with any style you are practicing unless it is demonic in nature and then it would purge that energy as much as karmically possible. If you also need assistance sitting in full lotus let me know and I can run as much energy as I can down to your fascia and remove the tension there and in your muscles. I’m open to any questions and I’ll try to be as specific as possible.

>>42136640
I'll be honest, that doesn't seem like something that'd be very effective, more akin to feeling and imagining things an anon mentioned. But then it also means it won't be harmful, so hey, if you're offering to others, feel free to fix me up. Though if you're trying to fix up physical bodies through such energies, I'd care more about you trying to jumpstart better regeneration, especially since my teeth are kinda messed up, but general pick me up would be good.
I wonder if you'd be up for a check on whether you do something or just imagine it. For example, if you can find marks of my past esoteric practice, both the benefits and damage I've picked up over time due to it.

>>42136671
Well, when you are truly using your third eye there isn’t any imagination involved as it is guided by your higher self and the things that are seen are higher dimensional and very difficult to put into words. Very abstract, nuanced, and the energies that are experienced that I am seeking are bad. I am like a hound dog when it comes to this stuff. I can do some physical healing depending on the extent. Teeth are just about the hardest thing to heal I’m afraid but one day I’ll be able to. Well demonic work has brutalized a lot of things. I can fix it though. I’ll need 10 minutes for all this.

>>42136671
Let me know how you feel.

>>42136797
About the same but I didn't expect much. Feeling and moving energy in my exercises is a bit harder but I am pretty sure that's not anything done to me, it's just early and I haven't had breakfast yet. Thanks for your work.

>>42138703
Remember, there are consequences to misguiding people in these threads. Dishonesty is included.

>>42126597
You are not only lazy you are stupid

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>>42125178

Chakras = Upside Down Rainbow???

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>>42128526
Sure

>>42139812
Sending transmission now. Give me 7 minutes. Be blessed.

>>42139812
Let me know how you feel.

>>42139359
Good. My opinion is honest, I am sorry if you expected to be able to do more - perhaps anons believing it do fall into their expectations, but one of the things I tried to develop as per my practice is introspection, being relatively objective regarding my state etc.
I thanked you for your effort anyway, so please don't spoil the passably good impression. Consider this situation an encouragement to develop further as no doubt there's space to grow.

>>42140765
Unfortunately, you practice really evil things that are going to end up with you in Hell if you don’t change your ways. This is your last warning.

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>>42140788
Aaaand here we turned from some respect for anon who may be ineffective but good-natured into a proof that you, my man, never had any abilities and sadly, let your delusions take you for a spin.

I do not find stuff like qigong, used nearly singlemindedly to maintain health and build up inner peace and endurance as evil. Nor was any of my other practice refined to preserve what good I had in life without having to join the fight or take from others. I didn't specifically try to trap you, but I was wondering how you'd understand the
>For example, if you can find marks of my past esoteric practice, both the benefits and damage I've picked up over time due to it
line, and sadly, you pushed yourself into the most stereotypically comical interpretation. I never dealt with any edgelord black magic or whatnot, but I did both improved my health and also sometimes damaged it by messing with qi to maintain what good condition I had already diminished by life of poverty and neglect - from which I managed to pick myself partially thanks to my practice.

You may want to keep accusing me of things but no matter how much you'll want to preserve your ego I know one thing - you horribly missed the mark when it comes to me and if that was truly what your "higher self" guided you to, rather than thinking you help others, I'd seek a good, honest practitioner to check you for being the one manipulated by malicious forces.

>>42140823
I’m so spot on you felt the need to type 3 paragraphs.

>>42140844
Just sending you a warning for your own sake. You may be arrogant enough to think you were/are infallible, but with mistake this big, there is some serious issue you need to investigate.
It's also a warning for other anons - people jump at promises of help/power easily, but such offered by at best good-natured incompetents, at worst delusional or malicious liars can cause harm.
I'm glad anons before me warned people about such things and relieved it turned out to be merely someone delusional claiming ability to help for self-gratification, rather than someone with actual ability they'd misuse.

>>42140788
>anon poses as some great helper
>another anon asks for help
>turns out it didn't do anything, which anon honestly said, thanking anyway
>first anon flips out and starts painting the second one as "practicing really evil things" for not praising him to high heavens
holy fuck, I know some people are sour when their LARP is exposed but shitting on a guy for politely admitting they don't feel any different after your "spiritual help" is some really arrogant, pretentious, evil shit

>>42140898
Yea nothing happens to me as well, he said I will feel stuff in like 3 days, nothing happened. I still appreciate the effort though.

He also crashed out on an anon which was giving methods for a kundalini awakening, wired.

At lest you can get rid of these larps early on so there isn’t any misinformation later within the general.

But in the mean time I will just stick to the links rise up anon sent on the op and the ecg library

Interesting that these threads don’t get 2 replies to the same topic yet I get 3.

>>42141207
Because there already is one, just post your problem here instead of sulking

>>42141116
>But in the mean time I will just stick to the links rise up anon sent on the op and the ecg library
Share ITT as well?

>>42125178
Does anybody have detailed instructions for whatever breathing exercise produces heat the fastest? The people on youtube posting tummo tutorials just don't seem very trustworthy

>>42142108
Yea here https://archive.org/details/QigongMeditation.EmbryonicBreathingByYangJwingMing/mode/1up ?

But why do you want to produce heat anyways, are you in a cold environment or something. Also just look at the sources in the op most of them are legit

>>42141387
It’s the original post (of this thread), the library is also linked on the op

>>42142108
best also learn stillness to balance that otherwise trouble

Any resources on flame or fire based practices? I recall magus of java involving a sequence projecting chi to manipuilate a candle flame and i swear to god if I really center I can punch out a flame from a suprising distance, hard to center with a camera on though....

>>42142410
Mountain climbers do it.

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>>42125178
I've been doing wu ji standing. I reccomend it if you are cultivating energy and don't have a teacher. You can read about it online. Pic Rel. I've been doing 30mins minimum per day. For almost 2 months. Game changer.

>>42144197
>Game changer.
how so?

>>42142410
I skipped straight to the practice section and all that's mentioned is "some warm feeling" after a few weeks of training. I'm looking for actual heat today

>>42144398
First week nothing much, but my back and neck were adjusting, part of wuji standing is you "suspend the crown point" so my spine was decompressing a lot.
Second week I had a spontaneous/instantaneous deep release of tension, probably on the facia level. It put me in a good mood for the rest of the week and I had access to energy that was buried under the tension. After that I began to have small releases of tension almost every session, not quite as big as the first. All these releases happened after the 15-20 minute mark. These releases improved my mood and sense of well being, almost to the point of feeling high.

At about 3 weeks in the ming men area started opening with the breath, the result was an increase in energy going upward. My breath generally started following the large heavenly circle at this time.

After this I experienced "emptiness leading spirit to the crown" which I can't describe, other than to say it is a a change in awareness that is conducive to cultivation.

At around 6 weeks I had another epic release of tension, this time in my arms and hands, down to every little bone in the hands and wrist, especially the right hand. I can't really describe how good that felt, it happened at around 40 minutes of standing.

It is a very relaxing practice all around, the Fang Song - or letting go and releasing, give you access to energy you already have that is trapped.

I'm on the 7th week now.

>>42144916
do you have a book about it brother, or is it in the ecg libary

>>42144965
library *

>>42144965
It's a practice from tai chi and it's briefly mentioned in almost every tai chi book but never in much depth. I'm a tai chi guy myself, I noticed that almost no-one seems to devote a lot of time into this practice, even though in the classics it clearly says it's the first thing you should do.

The main points are suspend the crown point and relax. Because it's tries to return the body to a natural state it doesn't have a lot of rules, like most tai chi postures. You try and let go of everything but keep the crown suspended. You can read a lot about it online links below. There are also a lot of videos on youtube now, but you can see that most of them are not suspending the crown and are slouching slightly instead of relaxing, I'm sure this would negate the benefits. Look for photos of the old masters in the posture, you will see they look a ifferent than most of the video tutorials.

https://sancai.se/wu-ji-ultimate-emptiness-in-our-practice/

https://iflo.ie/wu-chi-the-foundation-of-tai-chi-chuan/

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>>42145009
thanks a lot brother

>>42125178
im going to share a video i found interesting here,

are they real, eehhh maybe maybe not, but its still cool

1) https://screenapp.io/app/v/2br-148T43

>>42145227
Aint nobody trust that screenapp.io BS, shit looks like a virus link, never even heard of that site till now. Upload the video to youtube or something or find the youtube version using reverse image search idk.

>>42125178
There has to be some kind of simple and most importantly effective technique that would allow most people to begin feeling qi energy within 1 to 3 weeks of daily practice (a month at most), with at most 20-30 minutes of practice per day. Could someone please post that. All these endless libraries of trial and error are a waste of time, as everything else would probably "start working" once you unlock the ability to feel chi to begin with, and most of us can't feel shit so all effort is wasted.

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>>42145250
here it is but without sound ig, relax man im not hacking anyone

>>42145250
also yea here https://archive.org/details/QigongMeditation.EmbryonicBreathingByYangJwingMing/mode/1up

Op literally said (start here) please read the actual original post

>>42145042
Ok patience is the main ingredient for it. Also forgot to say sometimes I listen to Samaneri Jayasāra readings while I'm standing.


I especially like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7wTOKnJeds&list=PLvupZxonC6AWGyzyH22YMKwafO65LZ_Jz

>>42144916
>First week nothing much
Can you give us general timeline? I mean, you've mentioned weeks of practice but how many times how long sessions per.. what, day?
Also, since you mention many folks presenting wuji on youtube don't hold the pose properly, do you have any youtube channel recommendations/links where people practice such stuff properly?

>>42145250
>but I want to focus on the scenery at the expense of a solid foundation

>>42145457
>quick, how long, I want this to happen fast, what's the minimum amount of time I can put into this
ngmi
progress entirely rests upon how well the methods are executed, how often, how habituated it becomes, how well one learns to still his mind and focus
this is why there's no real set times for anything

>>42130514
Real energy work doesn't work like that lmao

>>42145271
>relax man im not hacking anyone
Can't take any chances online.

>>42145277
>also yea here
1. I've already known about this and you can find an entire video course by that guy "Yang Jwing-Ming" on archive.org, where DVD 3 focuses on Embryonic Breathing (I have the course downloaded, it's called "Understanding Qigong").

2. There is absolutely nothing SIMPLE about this technique, anybody can see that from skimming the book, much more watching the video course material. With specific dietary reommendations required and even specific times recommended for practice to add in endless variables for self gaslighting when it doesn't work (didn't do it while the sun was out while also facing east, so that's why it didn't work).

I think I'll just try my luck with other things.

This general is just /omg/ (Occult Magic General) 2.0, but instead focusing on energy cultivation rather than occult practices as a whole. It makes the same mistakes though:
>1. No simple and clear path (practices included) with stated results and a timeline.

>2. Puts the cart before the horse (e.g. "muh health benefits). People don't care about their health because they live empty mediocre wage slave lives, they want to experience something supernatural and attain abilities so that life becomes more than just being a cog in the wheel, then they'll care about health. So all this focus on vague subjective things like "health" and "more energy" are just time wasters, this general should focus on the practices that are simple and effectively produce supernatural phenomena.

>3. Large library of books and videos for people to spend years sifting through and trying out, only to fail to achieve any feats, while gaslighting themselves into continuing the time wasting process with "I felt a tingle that one time, I'm getting close" and that was probably just some natural phenomenon from physical and/or mental exertion.

If the general continues like this, within a year it will die off.

>>42145457
Don't let yourself get gaslighted by people like >>42145518

They are likely there to waste your time on purpose. Call me paranoid, but I don't believe for a second that it's a coincidence that practices of an occult nature are always plagued with subjectivity and over-complication, rather than being results and testing focused. It's like that on purpose to mislead and obscure, and are those doing it on purpose or ironically unknowingly being a useful idiot who has taken on the unpaid role of obfuscator to their own detriment.

None of these guys would apply the mindset they want you accept when it comes to this, to their everyday life. If their boss didn't tell them when they could expect to get paid before they took the job, they'd never have accepted the job, but they want you to be prepared to invest months to decades without getting your payoff.

It's just ridiculous.

>>42145503
>but I want to focus on the scenery at the expense of a solid foundation
There is just as much proof that a solid foundation is being built, as there is that one is simply just wasting their time doing something that will never produce results.

This is why experiencing results is the best real time motivator that makes one dedicate their time to practice.

To use another work analogy. Imagine if the job you applied for told you to be an unpaid intern for 6 months so that you could build a "solid foundation" of work experience and then they'd hire and pay you, sounds like BS doesn't it? I doubt you'd apply to that job.

Once again, you guys do not play these games or apply this flawed logic to your real life.

Now I'll just wait around and hope that someone breaks the mold and actually posts something differen than what is usually posted.

>>42145457
>https://sancai.se/wu-ji-ultimate-emptiness-in-our-practice/

I'm doing 2 months of this practice for 30 minutes per day, everyday. Sometimes I go to 45 minutes.

The practice makes deep adjustments and resets in the body, returning it to a natural almost regenerative state. The benefits and time-frame really depend on your starting state and ability to let go and focus on nothing.
It's not like building leg strength or something like that because you're returning to original nature, not building sometime up.

I suppose there is not a wrong way to do Wuji, but there are deeper levels. The videos that come up for me when I searched are mostly posers that don't practice this themselves. For example this lady is full of tension in her shoulders, he spirit is not raised and her qi is not sinking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO0Y8e9phHg&t=78s

By contrast look at this lady, not exactly wu ji but very close, just lower the arms.

https://yiquan.me/image/WangYufang4.jpg

Or her father in hun yuan posture(very similar to wuji)
https://yiquanpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/wang-1.png.webp

Stand like that but keep your arms down.

Here is the best example of pure wu ji:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/8f/5d/3e8f5d4291b8f3443389d4d039629fca.jpg

There is a big difference between relaxing and slouching.

As far was internals, you stand naturally but you apply can work through the list of the "10 important points" of tai chi, but many of the translations you will find of this are terrible. They were explained very well by Adam Mizner recently though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DiUOg_Ytjo

>>42145518
>quick, how long, I want this to happen fast, what's the minimum amount of time I can put into this
No, anon. You're wrong. It's more so:
>what amount of time an anon gets some effects so when I do it I wonder how I measure against that and if I don't have similar effects despite going for that long or much longer, should I consider adjustment of my practice or ask whether I mess up.
Time frames are useful not only for cutting corners.

>>42145628
Thanks for the additional info, anon.

>>42145628
>There is a big difference between relaxing and slouching.
what is the difference, anon? do you have any cues for relaxing the sacro-lumbar area?

>>42145616
getting told realities of cultivation practice is gaslighting
lol, lmao even
ymaa embryonic breathing too complicated
did I land in idiocracy or something, I know I slept well last night but sheeeeit

>>42146544
reach 30 second average breaths and things will begin to come together
reach 55 second average breaths and you will receive a metabolic spark like you just finished a month of a new lifting regimen
reach a minute fifteen and the air becomes as a sparkly glowy liquid and you're on the precipice of phenomena dropping away, sessions begin to feel like a restorative energy bath
reach a minute 30 or a minute 40 and you should have some experience of samahdi
how long it takes one to get there depends on their training
some reach the first stage, few reach the second
the last is about the longest durations I've achieved

>>42149172
If someone asks for a timeline, give them one and qualify it. Otherwise you're saying "it depends" and pretending to be useful

>>42148409
nta
the spine should be as a stack of flat rocks
learn to rest with a straight spine
the guts move most freely in this way and breaths are better, too

>>42149190
stfu noob
it is just a simple reality of training the body that it takes wildly differing amounts of time depending on method & execution
this is like you telling me cmon pal tell me how long it takes to become a home run hitter
the home run hitter is gonna tell you to get a coach and practice a lot

>>42149200
1. I'm not convinced that would even be that hard to estimate with qualifications such as "with a good coach" "spending the amount of time an pro spends on it" etc.
2. Even the home run hitter telling them how long it took them personally to do it is more useful than that. Anon was looking for a reference point. And there's no reason you can't provide both

>>42149219
I troubleshot breathing for about a year before I figured things out sufficiently
much of this troubleshooting is reflected in my writing so as to accelerate that time frame for the practitioner
once I had the habit well established and realized all the timing & ingredient, the spiritual light arose within 3 months
but you should not consider this to be typical results, as I trained far more diligently than most ever will, with singular purpose and no expectations aside from bringing the training as far towards its logical conclusions as I possibly could
it is better to tell you of signposts instead of giving you an unrealistic timeframe that you are unlikely to achieve
it is better to tell you what was done to get there instead of how long it took
focusing on how long these things take is just setting yourself up for disappointment
just train diligently, there is no substitute for this
if you're that worried about how long it will take then maybe this stuff just isnt for you
let go of silly notions like that
training is a journey, not a destination

>>42149219
1-3 hours at the end of each day
10-20 min in the morning after stretching & stuff
5 min a few times randomly during the day
30 min after work
a minute wherever one can be found
a breath, a moment, at every opportunity
train seriously, obtain serious results
train lackluster, dont expect much to happen
"dont got time for all that"....dont expect all that much for results
this is why timeframes are mostly useless to bother talking about

>>42149242
>>42149271
Honestly, I think you should have just posted that from the beginning, thank you for taking the thought to write it. Platitudes really don't achieve much because they don't hint at any sort of experience or competency and anyone can give them. Parroting doesn't give you a greater understanding. Giving an context like you did does. Being in the dark means you could be putting in much less work than anyone who's gotten results has put in, and have no fucking clue. Having written that, I don't see how you can conclude that it's useless.

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>>42148409
Yes, that is important, the ming men point in the sacrum is especially important, it is the reason I stand with the toes at 90-ish degree angle as per the pic in my previous posts. Standing like this over a long period releases the glutes and lower back that keep the ming men locked but it takes a long time.

To help with this I practice this movement:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MbtmKYfeGYs

And also a warm up that James Fu Quingquan teaches that he calls bending the bow. You can find it on youtube in his lectures.


Constantly practicing "suspend the crown point" also helps decompress the entire spine. Breathing method is also important for this.

Another important point is the Yong Quan, because ming men is a halfway hinge/point between Yong Auan and Bai Hui it can be adjusted by manipulating both of these areas, in conjunction with the breath.

Slouching or collapsing is something that almost everyone does at first when practicing fang song, especially on the exhale. As my teacher used to say, on the exhale the facia and everything slides down like a side of beef on a meet hook, the meat hook(skeletal structure) itself stays suspended but the meat sort of slides down a little on the exhale.
Pic rel that I found from a quick search is sort of a subtle slouch, crown is not suspended... that's a whole other point that is usually misunderstood. Slouching is basically the body resisting opening up by going back to the fetal position, sometimes just very slightly, like an inch or two, but this shuts the benefit off.

>>42149314
>Yong Auan and Bai Hui
*Yong Quan and Bai Hui

>>42149293
every bit as important is how well one pays attention during the training
because to add to the caveats of time component is the awareness factor
nerves and muscle memory simple get programmed faster, the better your focus is on whatever it is you are training
so it matters how much time per day, how much awareness per unit of time put in, training longevity of keeping the training up over a long period, this all adds up and the equation winds up being different enough
for a good example, dude I was acquainted with a long time ago took these timeframes literally
3 months of this, however much of that, all the way up to 9 years facing the wall, I dont care to recount those timeframes bodhidharma allegedly spent on this or that stage
this dude got to the end of that 9 years and was expecting something
something he didnt receive and he felt like he wasted all this time, like 12, 13 years some shit he tried to adhere to bodhidharma's cultivation timeline
skipping what was important and focusing on how long one should be doing this or that
when its far, far more important to solidify the fundamentals that bring about the phenomena instead of worrying about how long it supposedly takes for a given phenomeon to arise
we can only set the conditions for a given thing to arise, we cannot force the arising of these outcomes
I'd hate to see that happen to anyone else so its just more realistic to cultivate the moment
you only experience right now, anyway, this is just an artifact of consciousness
for when the spiritual light arises, no perception of time takes place

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>>42149332
Ming men is like a tap for kidney / Xian Tian chi.

>>42149340
yeah, I've just never ever heard anyone say it was in the sacrum before
always and forever have I read it and been taught that it was kidneys/adrenals

>>42149189
olfactoryanon?

>>42149380
the only folks I've ever seen put in the amounts of time I have are people in seclusion
not super easy to keep up while living normal life in society
but like Mr Scott said in Star Trek 2, I guess if its important to ye, ye make the time

>>42149348
Ok, I open it by manipulating the sacrum so I've come to think of it as being synonymous with it, maybe this is not correct.

>>42149323
Thanks for providing the anecdote, I do better understand what you mean. Personally, I still see it as an overreaction. As you've shown, you can both contextualize and warn in the same breath. However, if you feel withholding information is what you must do morally to prevent other people suffering that, then that is your prerogative. I subscribe to self accountability, and I appreciate when people are frank with me and allow me to make my own mistakes with info given, with the additional understanding that it might be non applicable or false; I do not assign blame nor responsibility on the one asked to speculate, especially those online. I want to say many here would feel the same, if they are consulting 4chan in the first place.

>>42149420
here's the article that image came from:
https://jumpshare.com/s/uOkPKv4oJr9pgCpVH8ic
while the body manipulation part is a legit tactic, its definitely not synonymous

>>42149457
I get ya, I'm just being honest when I say the other factors are exponentially more relevant
I had a dumb old lady tell me once that breathwork was useless, she spent 20 years on it and achieved nothing with it
then she got insulted when I told her there was obviously something wrong with her method or execution if that was the case
that's the difference between wasting a ton of time, years, decades even, and making things happen that are scarcely written about in a relatively short timeframe

>>42149487
You are right, thank you for the correction.

>>42149457
>However, if you feel withholding information is what you must do morally to prevent other people suffering that
this is honestly why I only teach the foundation here
there isnt good context to get into advanced things
because its mostly just giving people enough to harm themselves

>>42149494
namaste fren

>>42149314
Thanks for the clarification, anon. Have you been able to bring this sensation of being in Wuji into other postures in your day to day? For example, when you're walking, sitting or doing chores.

>>42149501
If you can even teach the foundations without harming anyone. This thread has actually been alright, but after a certain amount of precaution there's very little discussion that can even take place. It makes me think of the "ammonia crystals" of old /b/, accounting for the kind of person that falls for that is just fruitless here.

>>42149564
>If you can even teach the foundations without harming anyone.
that's the good thing about this part
if its done wrong you just dont get much of any benefit and there's not much room to harm yourself

>>42149561
Tbh it helping me in day to day life, right now I'm doing a lot of heavy manual work, planting trees and a garden. My back is getting pretty tight from the digging and bending over and lifting. The standing releases it. There is a sense of freedom of motion that comes after the releases that lasts throughout the day. Also emotionally my mood is good. One day I had a bad argument with an aggressive stranger, it really drained me. That evening it took me a lot longer than normal to fang song- release the tension, but it still happened and it was a big one. After that I felt a lot better.

As far as helping with Tai Chi and power development. Actually I would make much bigger gains in that area spending the same amount of time gong bu, san ti or even bao tai chi. The key thing it does that relates to tai chi chuan is "using void(wu) to lead the spirit(shen) to the crown." The awareness and mindset that comes from this is good for tai chi martial arts methods, it sort of takes all the fear out of you among other things, thought it's not a predatory state like the xing yi counterpart.

>>42125178
My thread also relates to qigong and chakras
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>>42149646

I think it's an important point to make for any tai chi folks lurking here that the gains of Wu Ji standing and Bao Tai Chi standing posture are quite different. Though imo the Hun Yuan standing posts are very similar to Wu Ji.

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>>42140527
Feedback,
Was too strong imo,
it gave me OBE got scared but as usual in me,
I feel more in tune

>>42145009
Thanks

>>42149824
After that transmission guy was outed ITT as an ass willing to throw shit at people, ngl, posts like this smell of samefag.