1. Your religion(+ denomination)2. What is your answer to the problem of evil?
>>42126189God does destroy or punish evil but also simultaneously allows free will for people to do it. It's the same when you have a kid. Do you have children? You sound maybe like a child yourself and you need to be 18 to post here supposedly
We are all one being who forgets they are everyone else each time we experience a new life so ultimately you will endure the exact amount of pain and suffering that you cause and once it’s all said and done. You get total free will and you can use it to hurt people but those people are you so you only hurt yourself. It’s a balanced and fair system, big picture.
>>42126214You wouldn't allow your child to rape the other child right next to you. You'd stop it from happening if you can.
1. Gnostic2. Demiurge has usurped the divine authority over the world and started posing as its God, the only way to salvation is to understand all that is good and evil and escape back to pleroma
>>42126225>heh it's fair I killed your mom cuz I only actually hurt myself anyway enjoy kiddolmfao
>>42126239No when you actually realize it’s true you will not want to kill anyone because you will know they literally are you and you don’t want to hurt yourself. You won’t use it to justify evil.
>>42126189Share yours first anon. It's give and take.
>>421261891. Gnostic (Simonian)2. Temporary confusion. It is unreal and will inevitably be corrected.
>>42126229Then that would imply God can't stop you just as your parent can't but when people find out you are punished. But perhaps God does punish you as the truth. You engaged in callous cruel behavior. That can't ever possibly be good for your psyche. You did it once but can you do it thrice? And what will you ever gain seeing as how cruelty is unsatisfactory? You not only destroy your own soul but in pure absolute evil hubris destroys those around you. Nah there is a God and it's name is logic and truth. Evil people are insane and that's their free will because they are retarded
>>42126189No such thing as good and evil.There's only good and bad. Power, aristocracy and beauty and good, the lower classes are bad, but they're not evil. Nobody is evil.
>>42126225>>42126239>>42126248“Love your neighbor AS YOURSELF” was literal!
>>42126248So, you're vegan then?
>>42126262God could stop it, he just doesn't want to. He doesn't care about the victims.
>>42126266You can't tell your right hand from your left
>>42126269I eat plants and animals because I need to eat to live. Plants are conscious too.
>>42126281You don't need to consume corpse flesh and dairy. But you do because you don't actually believe in what you say, otherwise you wouldn't support an industry with your money that tortures billions of "yous"
>>42126272God helped me many times but I also went through hell and I complain nonstop. Basically I look at it like this is what I have to deal with and I'm gonna make the best of it. There's even a psalm that says it's ok to be angry and complain and you can even bring your complaints to God.But you mess up when you blame God. Just read Job for context. We didn't make any of this. We don't have a right to blame God. We gotta blame ourselves first especially considering a lot of this, like I said, is pure retardation (infinite according to Einstein-we he was wrong about a few things)
>>42126281Plants are no more conscious than bacteria or virus. They have no individuality or sense of self and thus no feelings or will to live
>>42126266>Power, aristocracy and beauty and good,Dehumanizing or putting a human on a lower "caste" because you helped rig a system to keep more intelligent people at the bottom is the very definition of evil.
>>42126275I know the left hand path very well, mr anon. I feel bad about what's coming to you. You forced me to unleash it.
>>42126291I don’t attempt to live and cause 0 suffering. I do try to minimize it where I can, but I accept that in every life I will cause some suffering and I will experience some suffering. It’s natural. And in fact the whole thing would be pointless without the negative emotions.
>>42126299Bro, children are being raped on islands (Epstein) and God could save them but doesn't. He could literally snap his finger and prevent every rape from happening. He just doesn't want to. He's a faggot.
>>42126304I'm giving you the ancient greek understanding of morality. It produced better outcomes than the silly good and evil distinction.No, being poor, weak and retarded is not good like you want me to believe.
>>42126301Wrong. Plants kill each other and there are massive underground and networksof plants we have no or little idea of like fungus. Humans only know like 1% of knowledge we are dumb and you have an evil mentality that is closed and limited not receptive to information. You live in fantasy make believe and you need a war to help you think str8
>>42126309You eating meat and paying $$$ to the industry is causing more suffering than you killing 5 people in the street. BILLIONS of animals are slaughtered and tortured. Lol.You don't actually believe we are all one or you wouldn't happily shove a hamburger of a tortured, dead (You) in your mouth and think it's yummy.
>>42126313Bad example. India and africa existing is better proof that there's no god. And remember that christianity is big in africa.
>>42126320Going vegan protects plants too. Because most plants are killed to feed the animals we eat. So even if you want to protect plants, you would go vegan even more.xd
>>42126317I don't want it.
>>42126305You are a cartoon villain total retard that needs to be put out of everyone's misery.
>>42126321According to the Bible, only humans are “made in the image of God.” So I think all life has the breath of life (Holy Spirit) in it, yes. But is it plant/animal suffering as meaningful to me as human suffering? No.
>>42126317>you're bad because you were born in the wrong family.So you think morals and ethics don't make you good, just your bank account?
>>42126329When I eat I say a prayer of thanx and give consideration to the food and where my body will go when I die. I am considerate.So why don't you argue that? Consideration. How can you possibly lose by doing so? You argue it half assedly
>>42126334You want the jewish psy-op. I know, that's why i like telling you about the healthy way of thinking.
When I experience a life as an animal, I don’t have a human brain. I don’t have the potential for higher order thoughts. Complex forms of suffering like betrayal and love lost aren’t possible. The worst thing most animals can feel is just basic physical pain. That’s a level 1 emotion, really just a sensation of the flesh. It’s nothing compared to human suffering.
>>42126340>according to the bibleNta but I think it's evil to only have morality because a book tells you who is worthy of life or not. Some holy books say anyone who isn't part of their religion are less than human, equating you to the animals and plants you value less than human life.I don't expect anyone to treat a dandelion as a human, but I do expect people to have respect for all living and nonliving things. If your god created a house, you wouldn't spray graffiti on it just because it's not alive.
>>42126343The higher classes are more moral than the lower in almost every way. This is universal.
>>42126357>You want the jewish psy-opSays the guy telling everyone you're bad if you don't make as much money as him. That's literally israeli zionism 101. You are ethically jewish.
>>42126340That's a good point but I had a couple spiritual experiences where I hugged a tree and could have swore it was talking to me
>>42126362The human body is naturally suited through design or evolution to eat both meat and plants. Many other animals are the same way and many only eat meat. If food (including plants and animals) is a requirement physically for our bodies to stay alive then how can it be wrong to eat? Should all humans just die because it’s immoral to value your life above an animal or plant?
>>42126380We should attack the food chain itself. Like basically Donald Trump is at the top of the food chain right now eating abused cow hamburgers. Like what's up with that? All the people at the top of the food chain are fat disgusting slobs like randy fine (ironic name). When do we as a society decide that laws aren't working and in nature, in the rule of nature, those fat fucks would be lion food?
>>42126189To destroy evil, one must understand where it comes from, and how it arises. In our case, mutation and natural selection. If we made mosquitoes go extinct tomorrow, there would be another insect to fill its niche before long.If you kill weeds, they develop tolerances to weedkiller to survive.As far as we can do now, evil is a fact of life that will only evolve to become stronger, and more clever, the more it is destroyed.The only way to prevent evil is through gene manipulation.
>>42126313If God was going to not let evil happen there would be no point in this whole thing existing. He could just be the only being in the universe and be completely good all the time for eternity, but then theres nothing learned, nothing to experience, no meaning.
>>42126403>To destroy evil, one must understand where it comes from, and how it arises. In our case, mutation and natural selection.The wife of carl sagan actually said cooperation is the driving factor of evolution not domination. Parasitical species are justified in being exterminated. Symbiotic organisms are not. You seem to be imagining things that are not true or factual
Informed fields, all acts in the eyes of the universe/source/divine are neutral acts. So an evil person gets away with doing something bad, this happens two, three, times and creates an informed field around the individual, the simulacrum just puts the pieces together, when this person does this thing, this outcome occurs
>>421261891. Not religious, but philosophical. But i'm no dualistic at the core. God in this case would be the background awareness that you (we) are, literally. The indivisible presence, the one. 2. You know where this is going: It's about the individual. Evil only exists as our concept of it, but it doesn't exist by itself, it's a matter of perspective. Everything will always exist, including the best you can imagine for yourself and the world (which is your self as well, an extension of your awareness), as well as the worst, but everything we can experience it's our own lives and reality (there's really nothing beyond that). With this in mind, my definition of evil would be "If i had a choice, would i had it come? If yes, it's good, if not, is bad ('evil')". Realizing that this world is internal, and arises within ourselves, then if your experience it's free of evil, it means that it's free of everything that bondage us and suffocate us, which is, really, what we think limit us, but the reality of it is that we are boundless limitless beings, mistakenly identifying ourselves with our manifested, relative self (the body and content of experience) instead of the unbounded, absolute self (the consciousness that we are, imagination). To end all evil is to acknowledge who you are, what this world really is (a personal world, a reflection of your-self), then you vanish your experience of "all evil", and just do what you want. If you come from dualistic thinking, and have a strong grip in the understanding that God is some foreign puppet master entity somewhere orchestrating demises for a living, that this world and your mind are not one and the same, and that you have no choice but to suffer and that nothing can be done, then all this would be hard to reconcile; until you change perspective, acknowledge that God is your true self, and align the world accordingly to your highest ideal and desires. In fact, this is the true essence of Gnosticism, to know this.
>>42126413Excellent very logical argument. Childs play
>>42126403>comparing mosquitoes and weeds to human-level evilYou are clearly an agent of evil, trying to delegitimise the subject discussed.
>>42126430Oh man, sorry I stated the truth simply and understandably. My bad, let me make it confusing so no one gets it…
>>42126432Human evil is worse. Even lionesses protect other baby animals like gazelle. There has been fads online where people abuse animals and baby animals even. I know they do not drive pleasure from this and are abominations who need to be punished and then destroyed afterwards. With fire preferably
>>42126413>>42126430It isn't a logical argument. It's an assertion. One that's apparently obvious to some people but it isn't obvious to me. Why can't learning and experience have value independent of evil? Life tends to feel meaningless when there's too much evil, not when there's too little. No one starts asking what the point of everything is when they're having a good time because the point is obvious and intrinsic to the experience. It's only when people are miserable that they feel compelled to look for reasons behind things. Evil is the enemy of meaning, not its source.
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>>42126446That is what I said. Humans will actively derive pleasure from hurting animals, destroying the environment and being horrible to each other. Mind you not all of them are like that. But especially the elites revel and enjoy evil. And many of the masses were poisoned by the propaganda over the centuries.
>>42126467Being happy all the time won’t feel good if you can’t compare it to being sad.
1. idk, non-denominational homemade Christian ig2.First is a problem of perspective, there's a lot we may call "evil" or "bad" from our perspective but we lack the context or vision of a true eternal & spiritual understanding of the nature of our existence would grant us. For instance, a child getting sick with cancer feels unjust and sick and we'd wonder how any God could allow that to happen, but if you consider the perspective that a mortal life is just a brief moment wherein we're temporarily disconnected from our true/eternal/divine selves, then it's a bit different. There's also the possibility that some there's some sort of divine or karmic work at play that we don't understand, e.g. consider a healthcare exec who profited off of the misery of thousands in one life who then gets reincarnated as a sickly child in the next life, you might see the sickly child and conclude that God is unjust or cruel. Point being, our perspective is limited here.Secondly there's the nature of free will. To allow freedom is to allow the possibility of evil. God probably could come down and smite all the evildoers but I have to imagine that he probably doesn't want to be so "hands-on" all the time.Consider: you send your children to school to learn, so why do you allow them to make mistakes and why do you not step in to prevent them from ever failing a test? Wouldn't a child who gets an A+ on every test thanks to your help be better off than the child who struggles and labors but only gets a B-?
>>42126446Dude, I'm just not built for this, this really fucked me up, I just read through the supreme court docs about this guy and I'm genuinely shaken up, it legit started making my heart beat fast and I was feeling sick deep in my chest and stomach, this is not natural, even the most fucked up savage animals in all of history who rape for fun aren't on this level
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>>42126214Wow. Ad hominem. A children would never be into the problem of evil question. Most children would be into video games and such. You are clearly trying to dimish him, that's ad hominem. If I had a child I would not allow it to be a murder or a rapist. And I would conclude that I failed as a parent, if my child turns into a rapist or thief. What does this signal about my parenting skills? That someone outside my nucleous family unity had a bigger influence in my own offspring than myself? Then this signals that I failed. The father should be the one who has the biggest influence on their offspring and the father must make sure to teach everything that he knows to the child, passing all the knowledge down. God doesn't do this. If you are trying to pass God as some kind of father figure then please don't do it because it will only make God look even more evil than He already looks.
>>42126506Ain't nobody got time for that diatribe
>>42126189No religion, besides Budism and related, can give a satisfying answer. At least those will recognize that life is suffering and a illusion and we must realize the illusion that life is and they reveal own our attachments end up slaving us because we start to love the cage, we start to love sex, the drugs, the food, the smells and etc, we get addicted to the stimulation and we lose ourselves in this material illusion then we form families further cementing the ties to the matrix and now you just put a new slave into the world which life will consume it. It's crazy. At least those religions are right on the mark when they say this. The christians are way off, but they act as if they follow the truth! Aha! I spite in the face of the christians! And you guys can't do shit, but take it! Because you are pussies with no gut at all and if you lash out at me it is a sign that deep down you know that I'm right because if you knew you were right you would not be affected.
>>42126519>reveal own our attachments end up slaving us because we start to love the cage, we start to love sex, the Indeed Buddhism is the middle path. Stockholm syndrome it seems. The Buddha saw 3 signs
>>42126514Appeal to Ridicule. This is a diversion tactics used to avoid the actual points that I have stated. Red Herring! Red Herring serves as a distraction. By focusing the conversation on the length of my message, you "successfully steered" the discussion away from the original topic.Your fallacies are a common way to signal that the person has given up on the intellectual part of the debate so I won't bother with you anymore. Good luck and God may bless you with an awesome and amazing life. Amen.
>>42126495I don't see why it couldn't except for biological reasons like hedonic treadmill, but I also don't think sadness can only be a response to something evil happening. Loss can be sad, but loss isn't necessarily evil if it happens naturally when people are prepared for it or even if they want it.Now, if someone wants to start murdering random people to spice things up a little, we definitely say that's wrong. If the murderer protests that the families of those people he killed will better appreciate life somehow as a result, therefore he's actually provided them with a valuable service, he might be called insane.
>>42126418Ok smartass how did the evolutionary arms race start?It was chemotrophs and producers - until something happened - Hmm I wonder what the fuck that was. Stop mouth-breathing in my replies please.
>>42126533I'm not reading that but what you fail to realize or acknowledge is that I control the narrative and it's not so difficult, bless God. We are discussing ethics
>>42126540Aw hell naw who tf you calling smart ass mother fucker? You think I'm smart?! Then why tf do you talk to me like a bitch!
>>42126432>You are clearly an agent of evilYou can point out the sky is blue without being blue. Fact of the matter is evil already won. You pay your taxes to it. It has been mowed down until it has become so deeply rooted in human society, that you think celebrities and billionaires are good people, that the list came out and no-one fucking cares. Fuck you.
>>42126446This is what being a furry piece of shit leads to. Insane fetish for insane fucks.
>>42126547>that you think celebrities and billionaires are good peopleI dont and I never have
1.) Theistic Satanism (Odin/Shiva/Atum, same guy)2.) It's the Jews on a primordial, extra-dimensional/timeline and extra-terrestrial level. Evil is a parasite that eats, shits and laughs. What the Egyptians *understood* as Apep was truly where the Jews came from: the reptillians/dracos/OG Jews conspiracy theorists and some types of Gnostics talk about. The shapeshifters in Hollywood and politics, cloned humans, child and human sacrifice and blood drinking, "cannibalism" (no quotes if it's a Gentile doing it), adrenochrome harvesting, etc. It's all the Jews and their makers: Jewish lizards that invaded and used the structure and systems in the Solar System against their makers in a clever act of trickery and criminal insanity.If you don't take the Mesopotamian claim that Tiamat/Abzu were first or existed before Enki and Enlil (respectively: Odin and Thor or Satan/misconflated Lucifer and Beelzebub according to Jewish and some Jewishly influenced Gentile mythos), the Enuma Elish also explains a lot expecially when you observe evil as a parasite: like WATER. It cannot create the container that contains it, but it will take upon its shape like water does. It will mimic its host. Angels to look like valkyries, Jesus to look like Apollo and their "God" as Zeus to steal the Chosen One identity and archetype, stealing from Pagans and their belief systems to create things like the Bible and something akin to one of their (also, stolen from Gentiles) Kabbalistic systems: the Qlippoth.The Qlippoth is where fake "Demons" originate and where Hollywood and pop culture things about the spirit world come from. If you practice Qlippothic magick, aka upside down Jewish/Hebrew Kabalah, you are practicing Jewish mysticism and not human God magick. It hates Gentiles and drinks blood. The elites do this and use this system to keep people confused and unable to safely sort out the truth for themselves. A robbery.
>>42126620Another point that I believe genuine, well-intentioned Gnosticism falls into a trap: Saturn.The invading enemy I speak of? They wear the tiny hats that look like the storm on its North Pole. The Islamic Black Cube in Mecca. The Tefelin for being "one with God" for the Jews. It's ***HIJACKING*** and taking ADVANTAGE OF Saturn, so those who take advantage of this power have the benefits of Saturn and the Moon.Saturn:>karma>the dark (not as in "evil" but literally dark) part of manifestation wheras the Sun is the light part. Social order. Habits. karma. Limits. Rules. Authority. Challenges and ownership. Wisdom through trials. Owning up to deeds and intent. Reaping what is sown. Crime and punishment and lack thereof. Simulation, containment, cycles. If you're evil and take advantage of Saturn properly, you become like the elites and the Jews: you own and control society, karma and social norms/patterns/cycles go in your favor even if what you deserve is torture and a bullet, people see you as being an authority, you control what people believe is true through actively controlling what they believe is even possible through false limitations and belief systems imposed through brute-force Saturnic manifestation.The Moon is more generally well understood as a planet of magick, emotions, intuition, femininity, etc. Tie that to Saturn and the other planets and the Zodiac and everything else starts to make sense.
1. Zoroastrian2. Basically Platonics and Neo-Platonics
Prayer like a dove against the shadows. I am a Hebrew mystic and love a good time with him.
>>42126313He did. It stopped.
>>42126734But before? God was busy playing skyrim?
problem of evil is self control
>>421261891. Chudtian2. TND
>/x/ is full of morally bankrupt psychopathsShould have seen that coming.
>>42126842If you are truly /x/, you realize that morality doesn't exists.
Hellenist (Saturnist)Good and evil are human constructs that do not exist in the objective world. The gods reward those who worship them and punish those who blaspheme them, but mostly things just happen to people.
x is full of satanists literally under control by demons, most x schizos will go to hell
>>42126189What problem of evil? Cite a few examples.
>>421261891. Personal paradigm, non-devotional process-relational panentheism2. There is no problem of evil
>>421261891. It's a type of Infernal left Hand Path gnosticism, no need to go into details as this would take a good chunk of clarifications. 2. There's no problem of Evil, there's a problem on wrong views about what a God is, which is the Apex spiritual achievement, when you become precisely divine. This doesnt mean everyone gets to boss you arround asking for gibs, though. Also it's not a religitard view where gods are described as omnipotent daddies that watch over your pp usage. It's more like, this is your turf now, you probably will never die.
>>421261891. christian currently catholic might switch to orthodox2. good men skilled in violence or rather matthew 5:5
>>42126189>1. Your religion(+ denomination)Esoteric Marxism-Leninism-Maoism-Pol Potism>2. What is your answer to the problem of evil?Evil is the existence of class enemies, revisionists, intellectuals, city-dwellers, eyeglass-wearers, foreigners etc.The Omnipotent, Omnibenevolent Force in our cosmology is not a deity but the Vanguard Party fused with the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, guided by the Thought of Pol Pot (eternal Chairman of the Supreme Revolutionary Council of the Mind).
>>42126189Paradox is how eternity fits into time without collapsing it. Infinity can't be expressed through a single meaning. Hence good and evil. Life and death. First shall be last. Death is rebirth. The world is consciousness storytelling itself into existence. Welcome to the imagination.
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>>42126189agnosticgood and evil is arbitrary. good and evil is relative.the only thing that matters is cause and effect.
>>42126189catholic (dominican version?)felix culpa, allowing evil to birth in the world as the means to eventually bring Jesus, the God made man, to us.catholic (franciscan version?)to cultivate free will in mencatholic (molinism)because fuck you lmao
"God" isn't omnipotent, that's just a lazy theist cop out. Every entity in the universe has "creative" self determination, this is proof "God" doesn't control the world, it influences it, presents possibilities but can't force outcomes as a "singular entity".A universe where a personified god prevents all "evil" would be literal divine puppetry. When that happens there's no room for "good" to emerge either, no love, no growth, no novelty...etc.This is a "careful what you wish for" situation, only retards wish for a "perfect world" that's defined by absence of "evil".
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>>42127428I am in your world as a perfect being. This world is false
I won
>>42126189"before" and "after" points are human POVEvery bad deed you do is instantly punished by God but this is delayed to the "future" in your POV
>>42126189Atheist Problem of Evil doesn’t work against Christianity because:A. Their god is not “all powerful” he’s just the most powerful thing that existsB. God specifically allowed us to have free will, he could kill everyone and make a perfect autonomous universe but that would defeat the purpose of what he’s doing here which is to uplift good souls
>>421261891. True religion (Submission to God)2. I sidestep it entirely. It isn’t a problem if you don’t want it to be.On a more serious note…God wrote the evil.He is not subject to the standard He placed in the creature.He is the author.—He’d be God regardless of what cope you spew about His malevolence.
>>42126189>>>/his/This is generally just a theological question is literally nothing Paranormal with this>b-but its about godSo? not every question relating to god is inherently paranormal. I don't see threads on /x/ talking about divine simplify
>>42126214Why can't god allow free will without evil? Is he not all-powerful?
>>42127500simplicity*
>>42126750He wrote it all. Nobody wants to say it so I will.He is the Lord of every rape and murder, every joy and beauty. He brings forth all things…Including the indignation the righteous feel at injustice.But He is not bound by the morality He authored in the bounds of the Creation - He is purposefully and fully unaccountable to it.He is HOLY!
We need war to set these people straight
>>42127525You are a liar i am not responsible for you
>>42126189Christian, with my own schizophrenic head canonPreventing evil means taking away free will from humanity and that evil.Temporary suffering is meaningless if you have eternal life and we will be receiving compensation with interest for our suffering, so it’s not a bad deal.God is omnipotent, not being able to do something and choosing to not do so is different, God can be evil but he is choosing to not being that because he chose to be good.And if your definition of omnipotence is being able to make water that is not wet then ok god is not omnipotent but your definition of omnipotent is also retarded.And I don't care about your argument, it’s just a straw man fallacies, you don't get to decide what god is and what it isn't.
>>42127560I am the one you are preaching to the choir you want to chance the world beautiful is in the eye of the beholder my friend challenge me ill be the victor in my french dynasty . Sit in my throne
I dont like u
Im going to kill you. I can hear what you are thinking
I dont like vile decrepit minds and now that meas i have to destroy all of you. Since u were silent
Goddam u motherfuckers r weird
>>42127501Free will means people do bad things but it's a good thing and you should be grateful for it.
Um i just wanna give a heads up on a moral crisis. Its really not funny when u rape people ok
>>42127601This is an excellent hitler cat
>>42126413So you need for there to be suffering to have meaning. Christfags stay retarded.
>>42127658God made you to be cognizant
>>42127658Attack existence at its source
>>421261891. Ex-christian2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4DevsQxtrc
>>42126189it's necessary, without evil life would be boring
>>42127734This checks out with some of the church fathers believing that watching people be tormented in hell will be one of the great sources of entertainment in heaven.
>>42126189Without evil there is no good. Without both there is no choice. Without choice there is no purpose to the journey.
>>42127843Your first mistake was assuming any instrinsic (??) purpose (???) outside of the Lord Himself (necessary).
>>42127928Experience is purpose. Journey is more important than it's end.
>>42127734I will kick the eshit out of evanser holyfield
>>421261891. Some weird mix of occult-tinted animism and gnosticism. 2. Speculation of what is possible and exists on the transcendent planes is impossible due to our lack of understanding from our current perception and ability. Evil is not conceptually fundamental due to this nor necessary, yet all things on lower planes are derived from the higher, therefore it could only be a byproduct of actions going on in the transcendental planes. The only reasonable conclusion I can see is a type of confrontation existing beyond the boundaries of reality and ordinary spiritual perception between opposing forces. An adversary would not deprive God being perfect because God in actuality is beyond perfect, as creating the concepts which perfection can be derived, and thus cannot be measured. But since that means fundamentally there does not have to be "just one" or some strict singular origin as that would be putting concepts above God, there is nothing to preclude other similar entities from the same level of power. Omniscience, omnipotence, etc. can only be applied to things subject to knowing and power, not to things above being subjected to those concepts.
>>42126495See this line of thinking is truly fucking retarded. I don't know why people parrot it. Nobody complained when they were a kid and everything was good all the time. Nobody was like 'damn I'm just too fucking happy, why can't a bunch of bad shit start happening to me?' and when it does inevitably start happening to you, there's fuck all to be learned.What's the lesson here?>bad thing bad, you don't like it when bad thing happen, unga bungaWoah.... this is... profound wisdom... truly something only understood by one who has suffered...Oh wait, no it isn't. I knew bad things sucked before anything bad had ever happened to me.The people who say this shit is necessary to learn are fucking cucked beyond belief. Literal battered wife syndrome.Evil always wins here. Always. We're ruled by evil. You step out of line of what our evil overlords command, you endure pain. These bodies? Torture machines.>"Heh... without pain you wouldn't know pleasure"NOPE, not at all true again. When I first jacked off I sure as fuck knew exactly what pleasure is, didn't need any pain to compare it to.Again, it's all cope by these people who try to make excuses for evil and pain. These are concepts only thought up by an absolutely wicked cunt who fucking despises us. Makes us just so we can suffer for his twisted satisfaction on this shithole rock. >Being happy all the time won't feel goodFuck outta here with that nonsense. That's the sort of retardation that only a whipped retard could come up with.Nobody sits around thinking 'FUCK, i'm just too fucking happy! If only something would come and completely fuck my shit up and turn all this happiness around!' No, people who are happy want it to last forever. They don't want it snatched from them for 'an experience'. This place is hell. I'd like to be ethereal and feel nothing but pleasant feelings. I don't want to manage and pilot a fragile easily fucked up meat suit.
>>421261891. I have no defined religion. I'm spiritual in a basis of hope and wrestling with doubt, but it's quickly fading away as I shape my beliefs.2. Evil will always exist, it's necessary but needs reduction and to be fought every moment its noticed. Human morality and ethics inevitably grow stronger over time, there will come a point in the near future where evil won't be tolerated any longer.
>>42128227>Evil will always exist, it's necessaryIt isn't.>Human morality and ethics inevitably grow stronger over timeLolLmao>there will come a point in the near future where evil won't be tolerated any longer.Evil has won. Definitively. The fuck are you talking about? It's not even close either. Nobody is rising up to topple the current elite. You know how many 'red lines' I've seen posers online set out before the people rise, only for those red lines to not just be crossed once but daily and then those same people will set out another red line and then that gets crossed and they still don't do shit. Spoiler - They never will. >omg just watch if they try to come for the kids we'll never let that happenBro they're fucking taking, raping and consuming them with 0 fucks. The elite of the world have known how to reverse aging and the same players have been playing different roles for hundreds if not thousands of years now, they've filled europe with low IQ subhuman 'migrant' savages. The police of said Euro countries are trained to fuck the natives and turn a blind eye to the migrants.White population is going extinct in a few more generations.Anybody who doesn't conform with what the government says gets locked up for hate speech with longer more harsh sentences than migrants who rape and kill people who get let off because they 'didn't know that wasn't allowed here'. Elites made jab that snuffed out the lives of millions of people and crippled millions more, they do it openly and brazenly because they are aware of the position they are in. Nobody is doing shit. Healthy food is expensive as fuck and reserved for only the rich, the rest get slop. Processed shit, compromised animals vaccinated by bill gates, bovaer, crops sprayed with poison, fish full of mercury, chem trails poisoning the air, flouride and other shit in the water, GMO vegetables and fruits. GMO humans.Lmao. So who the fuck are these moral humans who will have any say in the matter?
>>421261891. Freethinker and believer in God.2. God is the cosmos and the natural order, not a supernatural personal being. There is no abstract "good" or "evil," only that which benefits or disadvantages your tribe and community. Struggle and victory are divine justice.
>>42128553Why call the cosmos and natural order God? How is your view of those things different from a typical atheist's view of them?
>>42126189There is no good without evil. Free will necessitates the possibility of evil otherwise it is not free will. In order for anyone to be good/moral the possibility of immorality must exist.
>>42128584Because man cannot be limited to reason and science alone. Because there is more to the world than just the measurable. Why love your people, despite their flaws? Why continue to fight when life is struggle and tragedy? The purely rational thing is to shoot yourself. Yet most of us choose not to do so. Very few are truly godless.
>>42128333>They never will.And this is why normalfags deserve to suffer in hell
>>42128717>The purely rational thing is to shoot yourself.Really? How do you deduce that?I think I would still call you an atheist, personally, if only in the interest of being able to legitimately apply the label to some considerable number of people.But also I feel like there's a bit of a culture war thing going on with theism vs atheism where people try to adjust the definition of the side they have more positive associations so that it takes up more cultural "territory" and at least includes themselves. So a person who prefers the far extreme of theism will want to make theism more inclusive and atheism more exclusive, while a person who prefers the far extreme of atheism will want to make atheism more inclusive and theism more exclusive. I suspect that this sort of thing also happens with other culture war topics, so it'd be nice if there were a word for it, but I haven't thought of one.
>>42126189as part of the creation of free will in man, God gave the physical domain to man. It is the collective will of man for evil to exist and therefore it does.
>>42129109maybe a semantic territory war, idk.
>>42128215But you are proving his point Anon. If you were just a pure spirit floating in undifferentiated bliss you would have zero idea what suffering is really like. What it would be like to be separated. You are getting so mad and angry now because you do know what suffering is like. But were you mad or driven to do anything before you suffered? You didn't fully comprehend other people's suffering. You would not been driven to such outrage. And that's the entire fucking point. The suffering forced you to grow, forced you to move, from stillness. It's not that pain or suffering is necessary. It just makes the learning process much much faster. Imagine a trainee at 10 years of bootcamp vs a solder spending 1 year in the pits of hell in Vietcong. There is just simply no comparison, warzones force you to learn fast. But why learn? Why not just float in infinite orgasms for all eternity? A. Because it's boring as fuck. Imagine an normiecattle tourist who only watches slice of life boring shit or basic bitch dhows. It's shit taste, true men of culture circle jerk over comically grim dark rape and suicide and war crime stories.B. Everything is divine. The evil the profane the darkest depths the good the rapturous the golden light they all come from the same source. They are all sacred and inviolable. Shows that consists of characters sucking each other's dicks for all eternity is basic bitch shit taste that needs to be confined to plebbit. EVERYTHING IS GOD. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT THEN YOU HAVE A SKILL ISSUE. C. It's pathetic. Imagine being an otaku neet incel that never leaves his parents basement with cumstains all over him. A fat as fuck disgusting slob. That's what you probably were, some floating spirit in the monad's basement, some neet that had a naive view of the universe and ended up here. WELL GUESS WHAT NIGGER, WELCOME TO HELL. GUESS YOU'LL NEVER BITCH ABOUT YOUR HEAVENLY DAD TRYING TO GET YOU TO GROW UP AND HAVE A JOB NOW, NIGGER?
>>42129332God would never allow a bliss filled nigh demigod in His presence. A creature is a creature is a creature.
>next up, you will be flayed alive over a period of several weeks so you can learn how awful being flayed alive is, and then once you're dead you can report back to God to tell him, "yup, that sure was awful. who would've thought?" and he can pat you on the back for not being a spiritual NEET.
>>42129367Skill issue, raise your vibration and reclaim your spiritual sovereignty instead of spending time arguing with a retard like me. If you focused all your time into spiritual practices, meditation and getting into shape instead of bitching on 4chan, you would be in a much better mental state. You gonna keep being a doomer retard or actually help us win this matrix game? Man you whiners are pathetic, if you hate the evil rulers so much fucking lock in and help us out instead of complaining. There's a lot of work to do.
>>42129376I've long since been ready for my pat on the back. When I find my way home to my room in heaven or wherever, I'm locking the door and not coming out to talk to anyone for at least an eon. My spiritual shut-in level will go up by an order of magnitude. I'd like to see God try to drag me back out for another round of rebirth.
I would say animism or neoplatosim in synchronism with European paganismyou have any idea how many Christians attempted to evangelize me my entire lifeand it's still a never ending topic unceasingly invasive no one is going to make me embrace slave morality or plausible deniabilitynow for logoshow do we define evil indeedit's mostly the dark triad but anything we have been consumed with in negative energy, guilt, shame, taboos and what is profanewe have freedom but the main neurosis that sucks the will to inaction is "anguish" almost like a collective frequency that there is something eerie or foreboding about the lack of harmony in the current matrix how does one define what being imbalanced isperhaps it's a trial by fire to be human at all
>>42129400I'm not asking you to reincarnate you autist but since you're already here you might as well stick it to the man on your way out
>>42126189I'm a wizard that does whatever the fuck he wants. Evil? That's just another energy vibration like fire and water, light and dark.Try not following a goycattle plebian religion if you don't want to be mindbroken by the simplest things.
>>42129332I don't give a fuck what suffering feels like, just like I don't give a fuck about any other useless info I pick up. Why would I care about a concept I find completely fucking worthless that was only conjured up for the sole purpose of torturing us?>Dude! You wouldn't have known how bliss felt without it! Completely fucking wrong. I told you before I knew what pleasure felt like without having experienced any pain. I do not know why brainwashed tards keep parroting that fucking stupid glorified slogan. >Here, I have created a world for you in which you can wallow around in shit, isn't that exciting! Now you can understand how shit shit is!>"No thanks, I'll pass, I don't particularly want to know how that feels, so how about you don't include my in your sadomasochistic fetish world? If I need to experience something to understand it then how did you come up with the concept to begin with? You would need to already know the intricacies of what it is you're creating, so if you already know what evil and pain is when you created it then you know full well what the effects are therefore we don't need to experience it BECAUSE IT SERVES NO FUCKING PURPOSE UNLESS YOU DESIGNED IT SPECIFICALLY TO ENJOY WATCHING US FUCKING SUFFER YOU UTTER FUCKING CUNT.The rest of what you said is typical whipped bitch speak.>You need to experience this bro>Imagine if you were in pure bliss all the time that would be so boring wouldn't it? Right? Don't you like disease instead, wouldn't that be awesome to know how that feels?No, it wouldn't be boring, it would be pure bliss all the time, exactly like it says on the label.>EVERYTHING IS DIVINE BRO, ISN'T IT ALL OH SO WONDERFULNo, shut the fuck up NPC. Go swallow more slogans and parrot more shit other men told you to think. I know with absolute certainty that I would rather be enjoying myself in pure bliss as an ethereal spirit form that can dream up my own world, I would never come here willingly. That is peak retarded.
Tired of the stupidest cunts of all time worshipping the divine when the divine is evidently fucking retarded.>Dude did you know right now the divine is bathing in bliss while it forcefully set us down here to suffer? Isn't that incredible? Stop complaining about your shit circumstances *babbles a bunch of garbage about free will*Oh free will? You mean the thing we don't even have in a material sense? I can't even speak my mind without being arrested, all the land is already owned, the world is infested with shitskins and jeets. On on a spiritual level I don't even get to have the free will to opt out of this torture. Here look.I'm thinking with my mind right now, as I type these exact words, for me to be taken out of this existence. Just painlessly pluck me out and bring me back to a permanently blissful state. Right now. That's my free will choice.Whoops! Would you look at that! Didn't work!Instead I have to sit here listening to morons babble bollocks about raising your vibrations to leave (All these people who say this are still here and can't leave btw) (All these people have no idea how retarded and cope worthy this shit they're saying is too, no, they just gobble up what whoever the fuck invented that shit is and perpetuate it despite literally nobody ever 'vibrating' their way out *lmfaooooo imagine believing this shit, couldn't be me*).>Dude you can vibrate your way out>Okay do it>I don't feel like it yet>Of course you don't :) What a surpriseBut that's how people are, they just believe any old shit. I've tried the ol' raise your vibration shit. Didn't do anything. But you have to remember that when you make up retarded unprovable claims bollocks like this you can always fall back on the tried and tested 'you just mustn't have done it right' spiel. Works every time. The NPC's mind upon hearing that will then decide to delude itself that it did actually work in order to not feel left out or to fit in.
>>42129526You aren't a wizard. You're a retard. Magic isn't real. What magic can you do? Can you conjure up fire with your mind? No, you can't. Can fly? No, you can't. Can you teleport? No, you can't. The thing you retards say is magic is a joke.>Dude, manifestationLiterally, and I do mean /LITERALLY/ does not fucking exist. Someone has re-written the meaning of doing something and called it manifestation.>Dude I just put in the work to get a job and wouldn't you know I got it!Damn...no fucking way...>Dude I manifested a gfYou did? How? >I asked a girl out and she said yesIncredible. Yep, that's definitely manifestation right there. Never heard of anybody who doesn't study manifestation managing that.So can you actually manifest? Can you create something out of nothing? Can you hold out your hand and just materialize money, right before your eyes? Naw, you can't, can you. Because your magic ends where reality begins, which means you have magic to speak of lmao.>Y-Y-Y-YOU'LL REGRET SAYING THAT TO ME, I'M GONNA DO A RITUAL TO HURT YOUYawn, can we skip the garbage? I've been getting threatened for years by you braindead magicians for spoiling your retarded cope fantasies and nothing has ever happened.I've had other anons say they're going to rewrite reality to open my eyes and to have a mystical experience so that I can believe in the same delusions as they do, but nope, no blessings like that have occurred and no curses have either. What a predictable shame. So what magic can you do, my retarded delusional wizard friend?Is your magic ability astral projection? Wait, lemmi guess. Akashic Records, right? You astral traveled and visited the Akashic Records... and somehow despite reading them you can't come up with a single interesting thing they say. Curious!What's that, you raised your vibrations? Incredible. So what does that do, exactly? Because last I checked you're still here with me on this rock full of encroaching shitskins.
>>42126189> 1. Your religion(+ denomination)Satanism> 2. What is your answer to the problem of evil?Evil exist because equity is boring and we are stuck on that rock.Even if you erase evil from existence, it will rise again from nothing, because mankind isn't ready to live an existence without evolution.
>>42129669Holy shit the meltdown on this golem almost caused him to gain knowledge
Why is this boards definition of magic so shit, bros? How are you going to sit there and chat complete bollocks about how you're a magician when you can't even do a single thing to defy the rules of this material prison we find ourselves in?Can you cheat biology and skip having to eat and drink and breath and shit? Can you become corporeal and move through physical objects?>I can in my dreams!There are no physical objects in your dreams, you stupid cunt. I can do what I want in my dreams too, everyone can, that's not magic. Magic would be remaining in the dream, free from this prison of a body, forever. Can you faggots do a single cool thing? Anything. Anything at all. Can you grow new limbs? Conjure up water? Control the weather? Can you speak telepathically? Speak to me telepathically right now. Any of you. Go for it.How about telekinetics, can you do that? Can you look at an object and exert force on it with your mind alone? Fucking ANYTHING? Anything at all interesting? Can you create a pocket dimension that you can enter/exit at will?You troons can't even change gender. Magic ain't real you fucking soft cunts. Get over it.>>42129679>Brainlet NPC who copes that he's a powerful wizard unironically used all his low IQ brainpower to conjure (see what I did there?) up this weak fucking reply as to why he can't actually do any magicThe only magic here is how easy it is to call you faggots out on your delusions.There is no fucking magic you can do, you know just from reading my posts that I've caught you out so your dogshit brain is firing off all its defense signals to protect your delusions right now that it's commanding you to not engage in telling me what magic you supposedly can do.You made the claim.What can you do magic boy? Can you do a single thing that defies this physicality we find ourselves in? >Dude I'm a chaos magician I came on a sigil I drew and won $5 on a scratch card I bought 2 months later, boom, chaos magick.
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>>42129679And that image isn't referencing anything magic either you dumb cunt.>Dude look at the dateYea, the elite have everything planned out and scripted then act it out on the days they knew years in advance. Not magic, it's called planning ahead and executing their dastardly plans on time.>>42129700I guarantee I won't. I haven't had a cold in like 8 years and this is no joke gotta be in the triple digits now how many times I've had people say they're going to do something to me and nothing ever happens.I'll add your post to the collection though. Let's see if your fake weak ass magic can make it through my immensely powerful doomer aura I have surrounded myself in. Curse me more you fucking weak impotent fags, throw everything you have at me, all it does is reinforce how right I am when NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.
>>42126189>Your religion(+ denomination)My own religion.>What is your answer to the problem of evil?We are too early on the evolutionary process, we barely left the conceptual cave. And yet this world is not of our nature, Earth is akin to animals not to us, conscious beings. Some humans are complete tourists here, or 'aliens' in terms of mental disposition. But we, as a collective, didn't surpass our animalistic aspects yet, we do sick shit we shouldn't do because we are poluted by low level survival ethics similar to the animals, but with an underdeveloped consciousness, which produces evil deeds. Our mission is to use our brains to build a neat world for us, where we can all chill and attain Gnosis, which would bring us closer to the one true God, the Sumum Bonum, simple as, who is necessarily good and not part of the conceived existence, is not responsible for what we do. God is just the source of what is good, pure, transcendental, calm, true, and He invites us to be with Him. So we must evolve to be able to chill with God.The problem is, the people are retarded and they drag humanity down. The elite is retarded, the people are retarded. So, any spirit who embraces the mission of improving Earth is aware of how bad things are down here before coming down. There's no transcendental punishment, only cause and effect. Of course, there are low level spirits who are kin to this world such as the animals, and they keep reincarnating here because are essentially ignorant. There is no such thing as divine justice for some low level ghetto shit like human society. We've built this, this is 100% on us. Every single spirit who is incarnated here that has touched a fraction of God's Light (which is knowledge/consciousness) can attune to better pastures post mortem.
No mortal human is truly wise only Jesus Christ was Jesus was God who became man what a normal sinner says is irrelevant to me
>>42129770Shut the fuck up you naive faggot. Jesus is literally just another dime and dozen allegory for sun all over again because that seems to be the absolute pinnacle story our ancestors can make so they just keep recycling it.>DUDE, THE SUN>DUDE, THE ZODIAC>DUDE AS ABOVE SO BELOW>DUDE WE ARE LE MICROCOSMS OF THE MACROCOSMY a w n
>>42129785What have all your kings rulers and so called philosophers done? nothing they have only fostered sexual and moral degeneration and they love violence and killing all the kings and rulers of the world are murderers who worship Satan there is nothing good in humans but with God law we can become better
>>42129796God is a fucking faggot cunt. That stupid twat is the one who put us here. Literally used his infinite wisdom to create the perfect torture plane for us to suffer in for quite literally no reason other than for his own twisted entertainment. That cunt invented parasites, disease, subhuman shitskins, needing to kill and eat other living things to sustain these torture meat suits he put us in that he fully equipped with a million ways to inflict suffering, he gave us limited resources so a hierarchy could happen and opportunists could claim it all for themselves, he ensured that he put us into a system where evil reigned supreme (and it always has, from the beginning till now, not once has evil lost its seat of dominance for even one single moment).And if you believe in the story of the bible then you believe in the most incompetant god of all time who is a humiliation ritual of a god.Like the dude gets fucking mogged not even 2 generations into humanity. Creates satan who outsmarts him at every turn. Sends his son here, his son gets strung up and killed to 'save us all', hasn't shown back up for 2k+ years, and according to christians his death only manages to save a fraction of the people who ever live therefore the entire story of the bible is, no matter which way you look at it, a story of satans complete and utter victory. Fucks gods creation up, kills his son AND THEN STILL GETS TO WALK AWAY WITH 99.9% OF HUMANS THAT HE TAKES TO HELL THAT DON'T GET SAVED.HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT A COMPLETE SATAN VICTORY? What way are you looking at it that this is a win for god lol? He gets mogged by his own creation who outsmarts him at every step of the way. Fuck gods law. If this is the end result of gods law then he's a dogshit creator. 0/10 would not recommend. I want off this clown ride.
>>42129831A mere mortal who is not God who dies and does not resurrect is not worthy of admiration these are just his opinions of a random mortal
>>42126189Christian charismaniac. >is God willing but unable?Able but lawfully. It is not a matter of royal whimsy. As well, the end goal is to redeem however much evil is redeemable, not merely to destroy it. inb4 God doesnt keep the 10 commandments: 10coms is intended to govern man; the laws governing heavenly processes remain beyond human purview, crf Michael arguing with Satan over Moses' body.>then whence came evil?From free will sufficient to depart from the creature's created purpose, and to resist counsel back towards it.>is God neither able nor willing?Able and willing, but His solution of evil is beyond our personal timeline of 120 years and visual range of 1.5 miles. t. I cannot absolutely prove my position.
>>42129796>>42129831And btw if you are a retard that believes in a hell, then being born is the LITERAL worst thing to happen to 99% of people. Like there is no worse thing that can happen.God is the most evil cunt there is. He makes satan look like a saint.Now naturally I don't believe in the By Ba'al so I see god and satan as one in the same. One might even say a demiruge but unlike the retarded gnostics on here I don't believe there's any authority higher than this sadistic cunt and I don't believe there's a way to escape.My contention is that they're all coping. Their pitiful minds couldn't handle the reality of there being no happy ending to this little story so like good little NPC's they invented passwords to get out of the reincarnation cycle and had to paint the demiurge as being a weak god (who no other god can stop though for some reason btw, that reason being some universal law bullshit that they had to make up to stop people like me pointing out their bullshit).Get put in the reincarnation blender and do it all again, goy. Suffer for daddy demiurge for all eternity in this hell.
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>>42127500Ppl are dumb and DONT notice mr smith
>>421261891) Shadow Alchemist2) Evil just exists because it is an aspect of humanity. Unfortunately for everything, it is a feature not a bug. Therefore, humans must be empowered to take their desires and fate into their own hands. A society of the meek will be complacent with evil. A society that glorifies the weak and submissive will become a society of slaves. We must become individuals burning with a strong fire first, then a collective. We must become masters of our own unique selfhood before trying to solve the problems of another. It requires personal responsibility above all else, and ownership of one's actions in totality.
>>421261891. Hell Star System Gnosticism 2. We obtain gnosis as inhabitants of the Star System to go there, be citizens, and work there, carrying our lives as space faring high technology alien species. Evil is part of the trades and commodities we supply. We run this Universe. If anyone wants to apply for opportunities, say it with your mouth: I accept Darkness, I believe in Hell. Consider your previous religion forfeit, forever. Exciting times ahead, for example: apply as a Hunter and visit exotic space locations to hunt supernatural horrors. Or apply as a mage and work your mojo. Maybe get training as a pilot...
>>42129109Man is not just a biological machine. Our irrationality, longing and natural inclination to "believe in something" suggest a deeper dimension. Therefore, a strictly materialistic explanation is not enough.But yes, I see how pantheism and atheism are related and that atheism is obviously, so to speak, a product or degeneration of pantheism. It is not for nothing that pantheists have been accused of godlessness since the beginning. But even if God did not exist, I agree with Robespierre that it would then be necessary to invent him.
>>42129986By the way, 1 to 2 years our ships will be on your planet, join the excitement, 3i Atlas was the beacon which located your relative location, we WILL visit.
>>42126786lmao
1) gnostic Christian 2) evil is to reject Jesus/Lucifer and to be tied to this material world instead of his heavenly kingdom.All problems of humanity come from the fact that we are carnal, but we must overcome the mind and body and become one through the spirit.
>>42126189The great spirit authored the very recognition of evil within me, and same for the discernment to recognize a trap. In this context the trap is rhetorical. All those loaded terms, no thanks.Be a consistent force for good. Seed it, spread it, contain it, and when able share it. Share the good you do daily already. This is compatible with any monotheism I've worked with, and seems to vibe with heathens and similar. The problem of evil isn't defeated with words, it's what you do on the daily within your moral life that matters. Contain evil within, secure space and keep it orderly, connect with others of like mind. Have you and your people be a shining example of confidently doing good. Out there in that awesome space, just outside that window.
Evil is not a "problem". Its a label you made up in your mind for the parts of reality that distress you. Become strong enough to accept all of reality.
Baptist.I have no answers, so don't debate me. Ive thought of this question a lot.1.God likely does not operate on the same time we do. For example, I do not think a day to god is a rotation of the Earth. I believe evolution (and all natural processes) are processes created by god. When the Bible says god created all that we know in 6 days and rested on the 7th, I understand that a single day to god is an unimaginable length of time to a human. Moreover, this is likely a metaphor meant to infer incredibly complex ideas (such as evolution) succinctly and not to be taken 100% literally. Additionally, in the same way that there are bacteria that experience an entire lifetime in what is about 10 minutes to us, our entire lifetimes are the human equivalent of less than a millisecond to god. God seems to prefer automation (see natural selection) most of the time. However, in my experience, when you call out to god earnestly he does answer and he will help guide you. 2. God has given us souls and freewill. This is possibly a sorting mechanism to determine who is righteous and who is evil. We are free to act good or evil, and thus our true character will be revealed over our lifetimes. Yes bad things happen to good (and innocent) people, and good things happen to bad people. But this is not the will of god, it is a casualty of letting us exercise our own free will. This is a choice god has made. Not sure why.. Maybe to sort the bad from the good before being welcomed into heaven. 3. Anyone who claims to know God's intention, will, or plans is a liar. So it's not really worth wasting too much time on.
>>42131030Finally, the reason I believe in god is because. Well, I am a total fucking idiot. I am totally inept. I have a tendency to act wickedly (lust and gluttony are my worst sins). I am basically a retard and I'm not being critical of myself. Just honest. Ive put myself in bad situations. Ive done evil things. However, I have noticed that as I genuinely try to improve myself - to follow my god given moral compass, and live a more Christ like life, I have been blessed with immeasurable blessings.Ive had a very miserable life. My childhood was awful. My teen years were awful. My early adulthood was awful. I wallowed in self loathing. I planned to kill myself many times, and was getting very very close to my first attempt. Ive done demonic rituals. Ive attempted to sell my soul. However, when I finally reached total rock bottom and surrendered myself to Christ, genuinely. Earnestly.. I quickly achieved peace, happiness, and blessings beyond my wildest dreams. I've stopped being attacked by demons in my sleep. The demons who used to whisper in my ear "kill yourself." have all been silenced. I've quit smoking weed. Im getting fit and even learning how to box. My depression is gone. Im financially secure. Im living in a beautiful paradise with a beautiful woman. Again, not trying to have an argument or debate whether I'm right or wrong. This has been my experience. I feel like God truly is a shepherd and he ventured to save me when I cried out to him. I know there are lots of pagans here, anti-christians, atheists, and what have you. Just know that Jesus is like a ripcord. If you find yourself in hell on Earth. Call to him. Give it a shot
>>42126786The goal is philosophy is to transform bright, curious normgroids like in the above into shattered, honest seeker philosophers in the lowerCheers
>>42129669Look faggot, because you take dicks in the rear and swallow dog coom, it's simple, we can sperg 16-20€ on a book of magick, or we can be swayed by drug addled bugchasers like you. Which do you think is the ez system to figure out if there's magick or not?
>>42126189"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also"Deadass tho. If we're all from the same source then I am you and you are me. If I slapped myself why would I slap myself again?
>>42133650What. Magick. Can. You. Do. Faggot. ?.Describe your magic and what it accomplishes and I will tell you why it isn't magick and call you retarded some more then you can go on coping for all I care lmao.Bros acting like I haven't been here on this board since its inception, I've read books on this shit myself, tried them, they don't work. Simple as that.These things are perpetuated by retards who want to believe so badly that they just blatantly lie about things that do not work.So tell me precisely what magic you do and what it accomplishes. Don't be acting like a leftist pretending not to understand what I'm asking and thus making discourse impossible.
>>421261891. Solipsist2. It is a Videogame. This one in particular is extremely contrasting. Going to end this one when I go back home. There will still be evil in the other ones, but it won't be as torturous as this one. We'll use durable play bodies and run head first into danger because there's no body horror or overly composite organ systems.
>>42126189You're conflating raw power with true sovereignty. The biblical God demonstrates His authority not by instantly crushing all opposition, but by working through history's mess (Exodus 9:16):> “But, indeed, for this reason I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My power and in order to proclaim My name through all the earth."Evil persists not because He's incapable of stopping it, but because He values genuine freedom enough to permit its misuse (2 Peter 3:9):> "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but bis patient toward you, cnot wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."— a temporary allowance that will ultimately showcase both His justice (Revelation 20:10-15):> And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.> Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.> And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.> And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.> Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.> And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. 1/3
>>42133706But yeah this world is definitely horror genre of videogame. It's actually disgusting. I'm doing away with it when I go back home.Time for the Ages of Myth and Magic again guys. Durable play bodies. Running into danger and all, having fun. No water in the lungs. No choking. No live dismemberment. It's going to be fun.
>>42133723and redemptive power (Romans 8:28):> "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose."The cross proves His "almightiness" operates differently than human strength: He defeats evil by absorbing it (Colossians 2:15);"When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him."not by overriding the free will He gifted His creatures. Your "who designed this?" question assumes a higher power behind God, but Scripture presents Him as the uncaused cause (Isaiah 44:6);> “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:> ‘I am the first and I am the last,> And there is no God besides Me."2/3
anyone who thinks this life is super serious and that there is someone to save or something to learn here or karma to do , that's a psyop.It's a videogame. There's no one to save. Laugh at any judgment seat. Laugh at anyone who says you have to learn a lesson.
>>42133727who willingly enters the struggle to transform creation from within. This isn't a zero-sum system—it's a story where even suffering becomes weaponized for good (Genesis 50:20);> “As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive."Culminating in evil's irreversible defeat (1 Corinthians 15:54-55):> "But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, > “Death is swallowed up in victory."> “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The resurrection proves what true omnipotence looks like: not the absence of conflict, but the guaranteed triumph through it.ABC's of Salvation:To be safe for all eternity:A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus. (Matthew 4:17; Romans 2:4, 3:10, 6:23; Acts 3:19)B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, and that He will come again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work on the cross. (Romans 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9)C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord. (Romans 10:9-10, 10:13, 14:10-11; Philippians 2:10)3/3
>>42133666The magick of testing matters for myself instead of listening to retards online.
>>42133761Complete none answer.See this shit right here is why people on this board shut down and always fail miserably to debate me. Because this very image explains what /x/ really means when they say they are wizards that use magic.>Dude I cast a money spell then I worked overtime at my job to get some extra paySpell didn't do shit, you working overtime is what got you the extra money.>Dude I cast a spell to ace my next test then I spent the next few weeks studying really hardOnce again the spell didn't do shit, you putting in the time to study is what got you results.This isn't magic. Who brainwashed you into believing this garbage? The spell component of this shit is irrelevant. Completely fucking irrelevant. If it was magic then you would bypass putting any work into whatever the fuck it is you're doing. How is it that you don't see this?If you can't get money by sitting on your ass doing absofuckinglutely nothing via magic then it doesn't work.Literally doesn't get any simpler than that.You know as well as I do that you can't do any actual high fantasy-esque magic, which is the only magic that matters. Like I said, conjure something out of nothing, here in the material world. Perform telekenesis and exert force on objects with your mind. Speak telepathically to me. Have your familiar/demon/angel/god come greet me, I give whatever schizo delusion of your choosing permission to. Astral Project and come visit me in my dreams. Control the elements, ignite a flame using your mind, materialize water into an empty glass. Become corporeal and pass through solid objects. Open rifts in time/space and travel through. Time travel. Manipulate your cells and sprout new limbs, give yourself another pair of arms. Fly. Teleport. Remote view (for real though).I wonder why you can't do anything like this? Why is your 'magic' so fucking lame that people that don't practice it get better results in their day to day life than you who does?
"magic isn't real" glowie is paid overtime tonight
>>42133840Yet another example of so called mighty /x/ wizards being braindead, their powerful (non existent) magic(k) spells can't even identify that they're getting BTFO by a lazy doomer NEET, not the boogieman glowies that haunt their frail sick minds. I'm low vibration as fuck, how is it that I so easily rattle you? Aren't you supposed to be vibrating so highly that low vibration beings cannot influence you? Curious!God the amount of shit I read on here is astounding. I do this for myself to, helps me affirm with absolute certainty that I am right, which is saddening because I'd rather not be on this subject. That explains why I keep doing this, hoping that one day someone will perform the miraculous, one might even say magical task of showing me some real magic in action, but alas it just isn't meant to be.
Guys writing words down is literally called SPELLing... nuff said.
>>421261891) Naturalistic Pantheism2) a) not omnipotent, god (the sum of everything) is an impersonal god, b) Evil requires divine morality, divine morality doesn’t exist, c) bad things have to happen for good things to exist, reality requires contrast
>>42133916I think when it comes to evil, it's as simple as this: in order to have free will there will be some evil that comes with it. Because not everyone will make the sinless choice every time.
>>42133904Yeah I learned that years ago. Old news.Not magic.
>>42133920My problem is with the word evil. For something to be truly evil (not just disliked or harmful), there has to be an objective moral standard and only something divine could provide that. I don’t believe there is a god providing that judgement. I also disagree with the word sin for the same reasons.
>>42133939Yeah sure. Hey wow look here we just invented this circular object that rolls! We can use these circle rolling thingys for transportation! Lets call them wheels. But you know those gear thingys that was said to be cogwheels? Nah bro lets call em cogtriangles instead, even though they are wheels - SAID NOBODY lol. Spelling is a spell. That's literally the end of the research, you can choose to see what is right there out in the open in front of you, or call it meaningless bs, but its on you at this point homie.
>>42133871If you want something miraculous, consider that the universe produced us and our world. The universe is massively creative, having continually transcended its own limits and expanded what is possible for it to do. Human creativity is an extension of this.
>>42127501why can't you? share your solution for man
>>42133941Ur right, but at that point we can question the definition of every word then. The point is, if you're at a fork on the road with x amount of paths, there will be some people that choose to kill or whatever because it's literally free will
1. Astrolatry2. It's the trials of Saturn. Reality as it is has evil (death, grief, disease, ...) as a necessary consequence. If reality didn't have these things as consequence, it would be much poorer.
>>42133946Cringed so hard reading this shit ngl.This guy is seriously trying to imply that speaking is magic. Same retardation that the manifestation tards use.>Dude everything is le magic!No, it's really not. Language and communication isn't magic. >B-b-b-but write = rite, b-b-b-but communication = communion, b-b-b-but pen = pendulum, b-b-b-but screen = (black) scrying (mirror)Yaaaaaawn, this is like 15 year old information for me. The novelty has long since wore off.
>>42133953I don't consider that miraculous, I fucking despise this existence in this prison we find ourselves trapped in.It's dogshit here, the only miraculous part of this prison is how elaborate and mind numblingly limiting it is. The creator of this prison must really fucking despise us.
>>42133992Lol. It's all good. Clearly we're at different points on our path. We'll all find the way eventually.
>>42126189god does not care about you.does god care about bears killing each other? no.why should he care about some apes with main character syndrome?
>>42134028There's two things you just need to understand as fundamental or your world view can be influenced or skewed. 1. We cannot, and I really stress this, we cannot fully understand the concept of infinity and divine existence. We think too narrow - point A to point B. But we have to throw that out the window when it comes to this topic. Call it infinite, a loop, forever, we just can't grasp it. We will always ask, but I don't think we can comprehend the answer at least in this dimension.2. You're either going to believe in free will or that everything is determined before you were born. I'm not going to tell you what to think, but that's what it boils down to. Each outcome has room for "evil" to be introduced or anything immoral etc. It's a REQUIREMENT for free will. If everything is pre-determined and there is no free will then that is a not so friendly god, creator, source, w.e.Now given these 2 things, there is a choice you have to make that is nested within #2. Regardless of what is right or wrong, I'd personally much rather choose the outcome of free will rather than a pre-determined meaningless life. If there are infinite universes then none of this matters - the answer would be everything is correct. Due to infinite possibilities.
>>4213395NTAIn Christianity , God made up a serious problem when it didn’t have to occur.No story is worth putting conscious beings through fallible existence.The only moral way for a conscious being to exist, is as a fully Sovereign and Free God.Even if the Christian God were real, it would be very Human’s moral obligation to rebel against such a despicable being.You also have to acknowledge that your God opted for the less than Good possible universe. Since you would have to acknowledge that the most moral universe is a universe in which only God exists alone. Unless you want to say that God is not perfectly Good.
>>42128333>The elite of the world have known how to reverse aging and the same players have been playing different roles for hundreds if not thousands of years nowCan you elaborate on this? I've heard the elite obsess over immortality and trying to achieve it but this is the first time I'm hearing they've succeeded in living for centuries.
>>42134224NTA but I thought that immortality was a limit for everyone. Not for any particular reason but because it sounded like it was for a long time.
>>42134224Celebrity/country leaders play a role, get 'killed off' then come back almost immediately in another role. There are people that track them and find their new roles, match up faces, birth marks, scars and other identifiers to confirm it's the same person. Also a good indicator is when 1 persona dies and when the other comes onto the scene, usually they line up on the same year or very very close together.Some of these prominent people have been tracked right back through many many personas and it's too uncanny to be considered coincidental.Nay sayers will say that people can just look alike, but it's all of the celebs all coincidentally having borderline identical looking other celebs. Or they'll say it's cloning. It's not cloning, that's a psyop. They're either human and able to reverse aging (and there's a couple of theories on what exactly it is they're taking to make this possible) or they were never human and they're just taking on human form and can perform some level of shapeshifting. You can go wild on either one but regardless of which it is these same looking people have video/pictures going back hundreds of years.There's a bunch of youtube channels dedicated towards finding these people time and time again from when they 'die' to when their new character they're playing comes on the scene.
>>42134591Tell me, is this immortality and change of person you describe achieved by being non-human entities, technology, or some ability we know about like shapeshifting?
>>42134597I don't know which it is. I've mulled it over in my head many times about which one I believe is most probably but I can't decide which. If you believe christian theology they could be the 33% of the host of heaven which fell with satan. Gnostic, they could be archons. Or they could just straight up be human who are part of the club who are given adrennachrome/the golden juice which reverses aging.I don't fucking know which, I just know with absolute certainty that it's the same people playing different roles throughout history.Trump is Elvis. Anton LeVay is Andrew Tate. Joe Rogan is Aleister Crowley. Here's David Bowie in his new role right after he 'died' doing an interview about himself lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt2ba3R51aI
I'm not religious. Looking at a few comments here, I think maybe the first thing is that people need to accept that evil is real, and then understand what evil is. Accepting that it's real has already been done by many people. Some do not, in which case there's a higher chance they are evil themselves. They know they are evil and so in order to be able to be evil they'll do whatever it takes. Claiming evil or morality doesn't even exist is like the ultimate gaslight. Also, this site is sure to have many evil people on it. Be aware.Then the part about understanding what evil is. I think almost no one does. I'll write a following post of my take on it later if people are interested.
1. catholic2. God's response to job. the fullness of creation and reality is completely beyond our comprehension but in it's totality it's beautiful in something completely beyond our understanding. That beauty includes positive suffering, pain, torture, etc.
>>42126189I follow the example of jesus (not a "christian" not a "gnostic" either). I am married to Wisdom, the divine Feminine Herself.There is no problem. Evil is the byproduct of free will, which is required for good to manifest period. In exactly the same way you do not get refined metal without dross, you do not get a refined soul of goodness, without the tempation to evil. Those that succumb to it, are dross and will be destroyed utterly. Those that don't, are refined. (Those that are destroyed, are not annihilated, their essence returns to the father and are repurposed this is where the idea of Reincarnation-as-failure-condition arises from).
>>42126329Plants can feel and scream in pain when killed. You won’t win. There is nothing that sustains you that isn’t alive. Maybe mold? Yeast… >>42127501then it would not be free will.
>>42135379>Plants can feel and scream in pain when killed. You won’t win. Yeah so it makes more sense to be vegan because WAY more plants get murdered through the livestock industry than us eating plants.
>>42135379>then it would not be free will.According to? Your human logic? That God could define into whatever he wants?
Everything consumes other life here. Vegans are retarded but there's nothing mind blowing about hearing that>WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO EAT ANIMALS!!We are. I don't like it which is why I fucking despise being here but that's the name of the game, blame the wicked cunt who set this shit up. Probably to guilt trip you into thinking it's your fault. NOPE! Not at all true, I didn't ask to be hereYou see how animals die when it's not to humans?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9_ZnojxmUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60KVu5ADz4Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSpdaOuQ7-8Does this look like a benevolent creator made this place? Naive.That fucker created spiders too. Who does that?>>42126362I don't respect all living things at all. Pajeets and niggers were a mistake. They serve no purpose, they are borderline retarded, they are fucking filthy. I don't consider them human, they are not equal to me in any way. I specifically visit rekt threads on /gif/ to watch their worthless lives coming to an end and it's just about one of the few joys I have left to experience on this shithole planet. And I do all that whilst being completely comfortable in my moral standing. I absolutely see myself as a good person. Parasites likes mosquitos, worms, fleas, ticks and all those sorts of things as well as brownoids being gone from the planet would be the most colossal net benefit to the world of all time. Shitbulls too, fuck those. I should not be subjected to live with these lesser creatures, nor should anybody else. They bring nothing good to the world. Every single contribution they make is negative. Every one. I'm dead fucking serious. And the fact that these creatures exist is just more proof that the creator of this world is an evil cunt. Because why create them? Why create 60 IQ sheboons, nogs and pajeets?I'm fine with Asians like the Japanese, they create a lot of good. They have consciousness. They have the spark of life. Nogs though? Golems. Violent low IQ golems.
>>42135407to what free will means, the fuck you mean? if you do not have the freedom to do as thou wilt you do not have free will. Eliminating choices or options because deemed “evil” (by whom exactly?) means a loss of freedom which means no longer could it be free will. It would be modified will, illusion of choice.
>>42135404should we kill all the animals on earth because they eat each other and plants? wtf kind of retarded logic is this. Never mind. I don’t care. Vegans are the weakest dumbest shits on earth. And you smell weird. You know that right? all of you smell really weird, there is a specific vegan smell.
>>42126189Evil is a problem?
>>42135716You can't 'do what you will' though. In case you're too retarded to understand your situation, you are a slave. Period.Is it your will to work all your life like a slave so you can afford a house that your government 'lets' you borrow for a price? Is it your will to need to do as daddy government commands if you want to say, own a car and be able to drive it?You can't even speak your mind in ANY country without there being some law against it that specifically snuffs out your will. Your will is irrelevant, the will you're serving right now is the ones at the top of the world. You serve their will or you get your ass flung into jail for as long as they want.Cop sees you eating something on the sidewalk and decides he wants to be a tyrant today and force his will onto you, you gonna resist? Naw you won't do shit, you're gonna obey him. You know you are too.If we could all 'do what we wilt' then we would each be self sufficient and would be able to go out and take some land and own our own homes without needing to work for 60 years to pay it off lmao. Only a select few can do what they want and you or I sure as fuck ain't one of them.
>>42126214You're getting this bitchy because you know "muh free will" is a flimsy excuse.
>>42126266People who say there's no evil should be killed. If they're right you've done nothing wrong, if they're wrong then they were evil and you've still done nothing wrong.
>>42135771Agreed. It's mind-blowing how many people have been gaslit into believing there's no evil despite it literally being all around them, you can't escape it.These people are dangerously stupid.
>>42126189Most of the time this is an argument i use to counter a person who says that he dogmatically believes in God.
>>42135756Relatively speaking ofc. Ofc we are slaves, tell me something new. I can still pick if I want chinese or mexican for dinner. You need laws in civilization but with laws or without I still am choosing things I want to do. At least I belive and choose to think this way.
>>42135725If you want to reduce harm, you wouldn't eat meat cause it leads to far more plants and animals murdered than you not eating meat.
>>42135716>if you do not have the freedom to do as thou wilt you do not have free will.Again... I ask you, according to who? Your human brain and logic? Why do you think God is limited by what is logical to human? Do you have free will right now even though you can't see more than colors than some crab in the sea? You already are limited.
>>42126305Lol look at this delusional joker, just mind your own business man. Don't fuck around like an asshole.
What man intends for evil, God intends for good in the end. (This end can be thousands of years away.)Evil + Time = GoodRemember Joseph? God incites the brothers to jealousy by sending Joseph dreams about him being number one in the family to set up an elaborate series of events.> Genesis 45:8> 8 So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.> Genesis 50:20> 20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.> Psalm 105:23-25:> 23 Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.> 24 And he increased his people greatly; and made them stronger than their enemies.> 25 He turned their heart to hate his people, to deal subtilly with his servants.Notice this God made the Egyptians hate the Hebrews, what was the end result of that hatred? The Egyptians killing all the Hebrews boys, except Moses. What the Egyptians did was sinful, and God caused them to do it. And then he judges them for it. God later on kills on the firstborn Egyptians.God raises up evil people to do evil, then judges them for doing evil. Why? They didnt know they were being used by God, they did evil because they wanted to do evil, and for that God judges them. (see Isaiah 10:5-19)the wicked people are being used by God, once they fulfill their purpose he will destroy them (probably soon anon, the great tribulation is on its way)> Proverbs 16:4:> The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
>>421261891. I left the Orthodox church when I hot tired of the gatekeepers, the tradition is alive even still.2. It is literally ontological lack. Just like darkness is to light. And God is not the author of evil. In Genesis 1:31 all that he saw was very good. A good metaphor is like imagine yourself in a dark room fumbling about. Turn on the lights and then you can use the things about you correctly. Obviously compounds when you have billions of people. Another thought I was playing with this morning, is that scars are wounds that have healed into wisdom. So having gone through it I'm more than if I had stayed pure. Ex nihilo creation or transmutation if you would, of the very deprivation itself. John 1 seems apt. I personally prefer fire instead of light, that's what it feels like, the point is the same.
>>42126620Why Did Lucifer Rebel?```Well after he was made some interesting things happen in the Scriptures Youll note there are key differences with genesis 1 and 2 Also during the day the luminaries were created with the sun and moon and other celestials so too were the angels, this day stands apart because the rest end with "and God Saw that it was good" relatively speaking And also take note of the word God in genesis 1 is Elohim, but elohim in general needs context for definition, as the word itself can refer to angels, demons, principalities what have you The LORD God in genesis 2 is a distinct unity, the I AM is a Self Existant Eternal Holy One, and the shema of deuteronomy reiterates that the LORD is One or echad This Oneness so to speak is Wholly separate from all other elohim so to speak If you want to study these get a strongs concordance or download esword alongside the translations you use on its interface Jonathan kleck is a good resource for these
>>42135908You were deceived my brother in Christ. Denominations are a psyop to do exactly what they did in your case, separate you from God.The first thing you get taught by these synagogues of Satan is the lie that in Genesis 1 the Lord God created us, WRONG. If this was the case, we would not need to be saved, if we already bear the image of the Almighty.No.We are created in the image of elohim. angels of the ordinary sense.See Amos 5:24. Ye have borne the tabernacle of Moloch.You don't need to go to a masonic church to follow God. We are built up as living stones of His church.
>>42135908>God Creates angels amd other forms to assist with creation>they are deputized to do this or that for the LORD God>"let us create man in our image">tselem means especially an idol>idolatry is forbidden though>so God knowing all things, sends adam as a proto-christ to begin the Redemption of the 1/3 of Gods angels which rebelled along side satan>satan begins his work of creating the matrix we are born into as spiritual slaves trapped in sin>Jesus Christs whole Ministry is to Reconcile you back to the Father; through Him as Mediator>in order to be Reconciled, you must first have a relationship to begin with>"Before abraham was, I AM">when you were in your mothers womb, the LORD God Formed you>the LORD God Breathes a spirit of God into adams nostrils and he livedSoWe are born into a matrix, and then the same engineers decide to base all their symbolism on the occult and such things, hidden in plain sightThe vatican is a snake, look at it from sattilite or go to jonathan klecks kleck files database foe such examplesInside where the altar is, the window to the outside behind it would be the opening of the serpents mouthThe basilica is its crownBut the arrayment of that altar is also a bunch of gilded golden angels melting into what looks like water or semenThen you step back and the whole altar looks like a dead sheepThe entire prison planet is to extract the spiritual essence of Gods sheep here on earth; through their sin and suffering, and so that when they die in their sins; instead of being converted and healed by Jesus Christ, they are condemned to the pit to be tormented and converted into bug foodYknow that locust army from revelation 9:11?Its comingDont take the mark of the beast- of which the ai is an antichrist component of>how else are they going to regulate the worldwide economic singularity without ai and blockchainsYou tell me, the mark of the beast technology is here we are just busy building it up
>>421261891. Blue Eisenhower November - BEN man2. There is no evil, just differentiated vectors of intent.
Angels which fell to engage in fornication with wombmen (you) are proceeding in the insurrection against The Lord God. That he want HIS sheep to go forth etc. Is special permission to use your genital weapons of CainAble pursuit. Causing yet another Aspect to be trapped in the host body should not be taken lightly. Their business is eating these fruits. Pride in Adultery and Lust is total co-option in (lay) Satanism. The word people is perfect here, a people is a monster as when you are fornicating , a beast with many backs.The word HU - MAN is an agricultural description of THE MUTT. THE HU prefix means snake, man. Your skinsuit ain't yours, and you know fuck all about its or your nature. It is an IDOL. PRIDE IN IDOLS is grave sin. MAN is not the line of giant psychopathic golem envious cainable serpent seed, which The World, an IDOL exists to worship. There is no convincing that the world's largest RE - LEGION is wrong, is there? How divine the application of Stature Idolatry is to those within Satanism? Moral Relativism, Social Darwinism, Service To Self Material Hierarchicalism. Why is the Vatican a snake? ABC's of Salvation: To be safe for all eternity: A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus. (Matthew 4:17; Romans 2:4, 3:10, 6:23; Acts 3:19) B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, and that He will come again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work on the cross. (Romans 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9) C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord. (Romans 10:9-10, 10:13, 14:10-11; Philippians 2:10) The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.
>>42135942>Why Did Lucifer Rebel?He didn’t. Lucifer is obedient to Yogweh. And evil is spread in both their names.
You are here because you fell from heaven to fuck women, etc. in the rebellion. You have already been chosen to be reconciled to The Lord God. The World, Your Body is an Idol. It does not belong to you, ye who is in trespass. The Jews murdered Yahuwshu, athe Lord God With Us (Emmanu EL) for trolling them, >Does it not say in your own law, 'Ye are god(((s)))'. Gods is Elohim, plural. The Lord God EL is The Most High Elohim. Man is made in the image of the plural thing, The Lord God does not create embodiment-idolatry systems, but gods did. The most subtle, cunning beast did. A cainable system.Eve BEGETS a "Man OF The Lord" as her euphemism for Lucifer. She is Beguiled; Wholly Seduced. Then, she teaches AdAm what she's learned. The Adulteress berths two lines, Hetero-Paternal Superfecundation. Cain and Able this is the Cainable system.
>>42135970If you're telling me not to go to church don't worry. If you're trying to reduce the Divine spark given to me by God, don't bother it's as real as my very breath these days. God is Not divided. >>42135976All power comes from God. Yes even the Antichrist's. And God wills that all be saved, yes even that one. To take this even further, would you limit omnipotence by saying he can't reconcile Free Will and universal salvation? That's you being small-minded (not you specifically but I've encountered many)
>>421261891) Christian - Mormon2) What we think of as “evil” is not what God thinks of as “evil.” Any suffering we endure on earth is temporary and is meant to help us learn and grow. The trials we endure are consecrated for our eternal benefit.
>>42135908All of us are sinners and fall short of the glory of the Lord God. That's why God loved us so much that he gave His only begotten Son to save us, when we were yet His enemies.Please, return to Him.To touch on your point about fire instead of light, the Hebrew word encompasses it as describing BOTH light and fire. אוּרI. אוּר noun masculine flame. לְכוּ בְאוּר אֶשְּׁכֶם walk in the flame of your fire Isaiah 50:11, & so fire itself, whose light & flame were seen Isaiah 44:16; Isaiah 47:14 — exile Isaiah + Isaiah 31:9 & Ezekiel 5:2 (Co אשׁ).
>>42136077Ooh that's a nice note at then thank you. But this is the point I think people miss, what do you think adoption means. The interstate is one that transcends the variant notion of temporality as we understand it. What Christ completed is true at all times in all places. And the wonderful fruit of it all is you and I and everyone else. Unlike most people I like the first council of nicaea. When Christ said it is complete, he meant it. The veil tore stop trying to rebuild it.
>>42136100End state, not interstate. Speech to text is a blessing and a curse
>>42136100> I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.> Revelation 22:13God Bless you.
>Mfw the christians come and I simply cannot be arsed trying to deprogram themI went through my christian phase so fast whereas other remain trapped because I have the unique ability to question things and adapt my thought process to newly gleaned information which makes more sense. Wisdom, essentiallyStarted off as a traditional mainstream christian 3 years ago, asked questions, learned more, then came to calvanism. That made more sense but still a lot of pieces didn't fit so I dug more, then came to universal reconciliation, and i was quite happy to stick with that one for a bit because from a purely christian point of view it made the most sense, it gave god the most respect, power and authority and unlike the other denominations it didn't make god look like a fucking loser retard that gets his entire creation usurped shortly after creating it (then getting mogged by satan even at the end because traditional christianity is a story detailing satans complete and total victory over god, he takes 99.9% of all gods creation to hell, he won, god looks like a cuck). Universal Reconciliation has it all be part of gods plan and ultimately all creation is saved, even satan and the other fallen. Each in their own time though.Sadly, upon further research, it became abundantly apparent to me that the creator of this place can only be described as nothing short of evil and that lead me down a rabbit hole which lead to new answers, answers that more fully paint the true bleak reality that we find ourselves in.I already knew a lot of history was a lie but even I wasn't prepared for just how much. I then find out that even Napoleon didn't exist. He's yet another caricature of the sun, just like Jesus.Neither existed.All these fucking religions and 'great' historical figures are just the same rehashed of the same boring fucking storyChristians are retarded though. Completely dogmatic and not possessing any wisdom what so ever. I know this because I was once amongst them
>>42136170God bless you as well! I personally think Gen 1:31 is final judgement. Glory to God.
The Demiurge projects good and evil so that we keep paying attention to his creation.
>>42136183I was stuck in it for a long time. Even after escaping it for a while I noticed how much of my and everyones language and thought patterns are controlled by the psyop. Imagine and ponder the things that must have gone on when the retards were spreading it throughout Europe. Burning women alive for having beautiful hair, killing men in front of their families for not converting. Christ is the Enemy of you who read this. It is insidious.Also hilarious their own book says people will flock to false religions in the end, and look how they all flock to the false churches for their false ending. Remeber everyone before world war 1 and 2 were both “absolutely certain” it was the time of revelations. Also notice how the theorists are jumping us all around the Bible timeline, this is confusion, not of God. They tell the soldiers going to Iran now that Trump is chosen by Jesus to bring on the end times. This is an obvious lie meant to make them say “fuck it, everyone is dying, might as well go die in this war”Christianity is a control matrix, it’s sad to see others fall to it, on both sides, Satanism is just as evil in its own ways.The idea of a singular “overgod” predated Christ and was becoming very popular in Europe, especially Rome, as the popularity of their old cults died out. Christ did not bring this message to the world, and trusting the den of vipers that is his people is a foolish and dangerous thing. I will pray for you. The devil does not lie, he just twists the truth. You worship the god of those who are like their father the devil. This thread is fucking WILD proof of that, just read some of this shit, absolutely Satanic christians on display, so sure of themselves like the vaxxies were.
>>42136254Jesus doesn't exist.>Um, even the historians who don't believe in Christianity know he exi-I don't care. Those same 'experts' think Napoleon existed. All you need is to be able to see the allegory in these stories and recognize the same patterns to know it's all just the same bullshit story perpetuated on and on.I don't give a fuck if I'm an enemy of another sun caricature that does not exist.I'm at enmity with the very real creator of this matrix prison simulation. I'm at enmity with whatever cowardly piece of shit where all consciousness flows from for allowing this shit and putting me here with no say in the matter.I don't subscribe to the belief that Yaldabaoth allegorical too, something is at the helm of this creation and whatever you want to call it, it is a cunt and if the thing that gives us consciousness (the monad/source for example) can't stop Yaldabaoth from torturing us then it is weak and if it purposefully created Yaldabaoth and wants it to do what it's doing then it's my enemy as well. As of now the monad/source/god seems like something sitting in its cuck chair in the corner getting off on us all being fucked by our tyrant captor and I have no fucking respect for it, only pure burning malice towards it for being so passive and pathetic. >Dude WE'RE ALL GODIf I was god then any of us would be able to open admin controls and opt the fuck out of this shithole. Nobody can though, so no, you're not. God doesn't get forced to take part in something he doesn't want anything to do with. Slaves do.Fact of the matter is this. Whether you like it or not the people at the top of the world know more than all of us about the reality of our world and what do they do with that knowledge? Why they all behave like evil cunts. Why is that? Is it because they think that 1 day they will go to le hell? Nope, they know full well that we are in a realm were evil reigns supreme. In every aspect of life.That's why no good deed goes unpunished here.
Fair warning:Gods Name: Chaos Wolf. Reason for displeasing him: -Disrupting his peace. -Treating the sacred persona as profane. -Thinking you have a say on his affairs. -Blasphemy-Failure to engage in sacrifice, generally the God does the sacrifices, but you have endangered the planet. -Engaging in the worship of abrahamic religion to spite him-Attempted deicide-Theres many others, you twofaced scoundrels
>>42136461Your fursona is not god, faggot. Although that would explain why he's such a pussy bitch.
>>42136478How do you feel now?
>>42136493Tired of being here. Burning never ending anger. The usual.
>>42136497Cool, try this: reason to us why god would be a jew and not a chaos god of darkness. Tip: goody two shoes don't end up well.
>>42136500>reason to us why god would be a jew and not a chaos god of darkness.Why would I do that?Although I will say this, you're not doing yourself any favors because kikes fundamentally are chaotic evil darkness personified, always shit stirring and pitting people against each other and reveling in others suffering so ironically they line up with the traits of the god you're describing
>>42136433Source God is the divine clock starter 0th dimensional being of pure joy who activated the bing bang but the only way possible to make cool stuff was to also make gay stuff, cuz of the laws of reality are gay and also because he lived in a soup of monsters that had to be merged into reality since they were the prevalence of his super 0th dimension joy. So now we’re left with shitty world, but we can take action to make it better and do cool things and he wants us to, but the deceptions away from him or other cool gods we have made makes the world more shitty. Even tho everything is part of god, that doesn’t mean you can just insta-rise to god level unless you’re cool and special, or in moments of major emotion, and other things. You can seethe at Source God all you want, but all negativity is allowed by him mostly because people are faggots, if ur not a faggot he will let you do sorcery and be good and cool and also win. If you’re losing it’s because ur not cool and special, and being good doesn’t matter about that. There is no demiurge, it’s just Source God and then below him are all other gods. Yahwehsatan appears as demiurge because it is actually tons and tons of gods all working together to mimic Source God and his enemies to do a fake spiritual war, there is war in hell, Yahweh is at war, they even say there is war in heaven in Christianity, and that if god sends angels to help you they have to fight their way to earth, which is hilarious to suppose. There are no angels, only Gods who have not betrayed The Source and Mankind, and false angels who larp as angels to continue the deception of Yahweh, along with the devil-demon-gods who play the part of a loser to make the whole schtick work. Pray to Source God, or just ask his avatar, and things can be different from you, but remeber others sometimes gotta get punished or taught lessons to morph their beings into cool people who Source God will like more.
>>42136520You don't know that: what I do is keep the Sun and Universe in order, so, you damaged it doing nonsense. I'm not saying you particularly, mind, plus I abhor worship, as it's boring, which makes it less jewish.
>>42136521Sorcery does not exist. Not for us anyway. See >>42129696 >>42133820 >>42129669 >>42129642You're welcome to challenge me on that assertion though (nobody ever does though).
>>42136598>Sorcery does not exist. Not for us anyway. Yeah I know, you guys lowkey kinda suck.https://youtu.be/ZyJtD87V5vg
>>42136598This is hating on another lvl lol. Let it go man not every1 has to agree w u
>>42137149Didn't say they do, I'm just trying to get to the root of why you guys insist on having such a humiliating belief in this stuff but don't want to talk about it or show off any actual proof of it happening.It's fascinating. You know that statistically, if this shit did work, somebody would have shown it working by now. You do understand that, right?That's why I ask for people to clarify what magic they're using and what effect it has.I already made a point to lay out numerous times why 'manifestation' is completely bullshit, and it is my belief that upon reading that, everybody lost the nerve to speak up about what their magic is supposedly doing because I know that's 99% of what you guys do here lol. For manifestation to be real, it would have to give you the thing you are manifesting with absolutely no further input or help from you outside of doing your manifestation reps bullshit. If it worked, you'd be able to sit in your house, unmoving and the thing you 'manifested' would come to you. Right to you door.I'm not even asking anything difficult, this is just basic bitch shit, I haven't even made it past the preliminary questioning and you guys are already behaving like leftists pretending not to understand what's being asked thus making discourse impossible. Why is it so hard to say what magic you do and what benefits you receive from it lol?Why do you fear scrutiny if it's real?
>>421261891. I'm a Right-thinker. All my thoughts are correct.2. LGTM!
>>42137240You know what, sorry for my earlier post. You're right and it's a lil out of pocket esp for me to say that. I try to stay as positive as I can. I don't agree with you though but that's okay. It just looks like your idea of manifestation is already set so it seems kind of pointless. Like you present yourself very stubbornly and not open for discussion. Ppl don't want to engage with ppl like that, just saying. If you're not gonna be fair about acknowledging your pre-consumptions and having bias then what's the point?And btw I don't really have a stance on the magic stuff but I do believe in manifestation. It's actually surprising you don't, def unpopular opinion
>>42137679Well, I wouldn't be much of a doomer if I was of the opinion that the universe is out to help me and not fuck me so the prospect of manifestation goes against my experience.I am very confident that if you remove all manifestation shit out of the equation that the people who want their goal will get it anyway assuming they put in the same work as they would when they think they're manifesting something into existence.I mean I've used these examples a few times already but I'll pull them out again.>Do manifestation reps to pass an important test>...Then actually put in the work to pass said test>You passI literally don't see what the manifestation shit did in this scenario. I really don't. This is just how people pass tests anyway, it's common knowledge, you study for a test and put in the time learning the thing, you are rewarded by understand the subject and thus can pass the test. People do this all the time without manifestation lol. What I'm saying is this, remove manifestation from the above, the persons still going to pass the test. Remove the work they put into learning the subject and keep the manifestation and they're not going to.Now if you could do the above example with just manifestation without the work, then I'd hold my hands up and say manifestation has some merit to it and is worth seriously looking into and believing in because the results speak for themselves.I for example, do not want to work. Not interested in any job of any variety. If I tried to manifest getting a shitload of income by doing nothing, it wouldn't work lol. You wanna know how I know it wouldn't work? Because I've tried it. Nothing changed. Nothing happened. Nothing ever happens.There's just no magic to be had there.This is genuinely how I feel when listening to people explaining how manifestation/law of attraction can make me money -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgYYOUC10aM
>>42126214This.>>42126229>>42126506>muh videogames developed by the satanists>muh children who kill and rape - DON'T EXIST
>>42126313>Bro, children are being raped on islands (Epstein) and God could save them but doesn't.Bro, those are old souls who murdered , killed and raped in previous lives.They get to experience the SAME in the next Reincarnation.
>>421261891. mind your own business2. not my problem
>>42140422be*
>>42126189>1. Your religion(+ denomination)Christian(Dual Seedline Christian Identity)>2. What is your answer to the problem of evil?Extinguish the demon hybrid bloodlines and humanity can eventually be taught to forget evil over generations. Remember the knowledge of good and evil is just knowledge. Infectious knowledge that has been passed down from generation to generation since the Fall at the beginning. To say the Adamic race or humans are inherently evil is to say Yahweh or God created imperfection. God always creates perfection, racially speaking. But not all of us are truly human.
>>42140434Human(pure human) innate goodness philosophy, Menicus:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius#The_four_beginnings
>>42140443Mencius*
>>421261891. I'm an atheist utilitarian2. I try and do what little I can to make the world a better place.
>>42126189gnosticgod is evil
>>42126189Atheist here. This bullshit is cringe.>The problem of evilDoes not exist.Define evil first.All these arguments presume that evil exists or is a coherent thing that can be even defined or agreed by multiple people.>Evil is things I do not likeYour opinion is irrelevant NEXT!>b-b-b- why baby animal in pain in fireDid you just deny evolution? >b-b-b- why baby animal in pain in fireYep not understanding evolution I see>b-b-b- why baby animal in pain in fireAnd this is evil how?>Because my TV indoctrination says so!You are indoctrinated and stupid. NEXT! Nothing evil has happened here. NEXT! NEXT!>b-b-b-b he is not all powerful!OK like putting aside the retardation of real life religions, their retarded need to make their god basically superman on steroids who needs to do even more absurd things every day..... The only logical answer is that there are rules who even a god is subject to. C. S. Lewis hinted at that in Narnia by talking about>The deeper magicSo yea the obvious answer to why god did not kill satan etc is that he is limited. Christians will have meltdowns over this and never admit it however this is the only solution in a world where not every act is 100% according to gods will and he gets angry at humans.Or creates perfect being (Lucifer) who magically corrupt themselves.This is the real problem with god not some magic problem of evil.The real problem of abrahamic religions and the eastern ones is that the universe itself is made in a way that fucks over god or gods and humans.Can god create perfect beings?NOPE! They corrupt themselves and start rebellions.What about humans?NOPE! God can not make a human that will not self corrupt even when he makes themselves perfect.1/2
>>42140570>>421261892/2This is excluding the clown show of genesis where god is to retarded to put a wall or CCTV next to the forbidden tree or like putting that angel with flaming swords that prohibits eating from the tree, he did not have a problem putting the same angel to ban humans from the garden so ....Or the fact that the narrator of genesis admits that god is a laying sack of shit and we literally are gods after eating the forbidden fruit and the snake told the truth. Religion is simply fucked!
>>42126304>is the very definition of evil.>Source: I made that one upLOL!>Dehumanizing Meaningless word.Like I never dehumanized anyone in my life!>Reee you are decarbonizing me!>You are thinking I am not made out of carbon atoms!>>>>>WTF?! LOL! NO! I never questioned the fact that you are made out of carbon atoms!>Reee yes you are!Why is your funny TV man ideology so retarded!
>>42140340>>42140345>literal slave goy cattle>UMM YEAH EVERYTHING BAD THAT HAPPENS WE DESERVE! ITS PAST LIFE KARMA!!! PLEASE RAPE AND PUNISH US MORE GOD-DADDY!!!
>>42126189Evil is just not a thing in God's mind. It's a word humans made for things that hurt them, that's all.
Most Humans are NPCs who love to be Evil they are Satan Children manipulate Humans is very easy when you know this
>>42136433>us then it is weak and if it purposefully created Yaldabaoth and wants it to do what it's doing then it's my enemy as well. >As of now the monad/source/god seems like something sitting in its cuck chair in the corner getting off on us all being fucked by our tyrant captorAnd anon learned why gnosticism is a load of shit.Either Yaldabaoth IS THE ONLY SUPREME GOD or Yaldabaoth is stronger then monad/source/god.>If I was god then any of us would be able to open admin controls and opt the fuck outTrue.Religion is bullshit.>from for allowing this shit and putting me here with no say in the matter.You are weak.There is nothing wrong with the world.The universe is a cosmic joke (like the joker only more dark) learn to laugh about it I am feeling great here.>no say in the matter.Dude if you do not like kill yourself.Simple solution.You are a troon and are born wrong, this is why you suffer. Suicide is the answer.>muh soul/reincarnationIs fake. After you die you cease to exist. You are literally nothing more then a robot made out of meat.
>>42143306>Evil is just not a thing in God's mind. It's a word humans made for things that hurt them, that's all.Nice theology (I agree).However as a Fundamentalist Atheist I must read from the bible.>That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.Isaiah 45:6-7https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045%3A6-7&version=KJV>Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?Amos 3:6
>>421261891. The Imperial Cult. 2. The Emperor, beloved by all, is able to combat Evil, but his Great Work is at risk. He is not responsible for the Evil that He fights, but he will surely Triumph over it. Faith is our Shield, Contempt is our Armour- and only in Death does Duty end. The Emperor Protects! ----- Alexandar Walenius of the Custodian Guard Posted from my dataslate. Location: The Imperial Palace on Terra
