For years now I've been doing energy work exercises, and I got "impregnation" or "volting" to actually work. I experimented with myself and others, until I learned to reliably move whatever this "energy" is and produce verifiable results of all kinds.Some months ago I realized whenever I used pore breathing to suck in energy, the next day for a couple of days I would have muscle pain as if I had pulled a muscle or gotten a sprain. I began experimenting and I verified 100% this is a thing that's happening. If I gathered energy through my legs, they became sore every time. I stopped using my legs to suck energy in because it was very uncomfortable.I wondered if this happened due to blockages in Qi flow in my body. My TCM teacher used to say "if it doesn't move, it hurts; if it hurts, it's not moving". I experimented some more with cycling energy up my spine and down the front of my body, and I noticed it wouldn't move past DU-9 or thereabouts, as if there was a "narrowing" that impeded flow. I kept trying nevertheless, and I eventually widened that gap and the Qi flowed.The next day I had massive pain in the area and could barely move. And now whenever I pore breathe energy in, next day the same thing happens at that point.How do I unfuck all of this? I don't like the idea of being an imperfect vessel for Qi.
>>42139206Stop forcing it, and stop trying to love through it so quickly.This is your body telling you to slow down because you're accidentally accellerating vital systems into overactivity.
>>42140120But is moving it at all the thing to do to improve? Or is there some other thing I should be doing.
>>42141001I like to let it move itself, and let it flow, be aware, dont force, it will ultimately align with your will. Forcing works for specific applications too, baby and bathwater stuffs.Thanks for reminding me.
>>42139206Oh, sort of an easy fix. I had the similar issue, and invented this method. Technically speaking what you did is you fucked with your lymph and blood vessels, probably your intestines too, but you should be ok, you only need to reset your smooth muscles.Basically meditate on your visual field in the dark, eyes closed, until the visual snow starts(though you likely already have it instantly). You're not to go further, meaning the pulsating fields, flashes of scenes etc, only keep to the visual snow. Now try to focus on a single "pixel" in the snow and try to zoom into it. Do not attempt to feel as if you're moving towards it. Then sharpen the image until you see behind it. Rinse and repeat. It is extremely important that you do not feel as if you're moving through a tunnel, that's your focus going where it should not. You will finish after your visual snow turns into needles or spikes, it will fell uncomfortable but you should instantly feel better, not fully cured at once, but the effect is permanent. I usually do this during full moons as that seems to agree with me, but you shouldn't delay because of that. In the future move "qi" sparingly. You're fucking with your smooth muscle control system and you could give yourself a stroke like I have couple of years ago. Not fun.
>>42141437Sounds like a pretty amazing explanation. Can you give any quick methods or tips for beginners?
>>42141449What I wrote should suffice to unfuck oneself. In general, not solely for beginners - one should come to an understanding that all spiritual experience is synesthesia or its applicable analogue.
>>42141437I don't know how to not go into the "pulsating fields". And I get flashing scenes almost right away. I just don't know how to control how deep I go. But I'll keep your advice in mind. Thank you.
>>42141437Jesus, you actually stroked out? I'm sorry to hear it. Do you feel fairly recovered now?
>>42139206The pain is psychic attacks that likely occur in your sleep to undo what you have done. Keep doing it
>>42141681lol
>>42141634It's a bit tough, yeah. I found that it easier ever since I understood what is happening to you when any of these phenomena happen. Let's take normal vision, it's clear, no visual snow, as you close your eyes it should just be darkness. So what's going on when the stuff starts happening in your visual field? Well, since we're relatively familiar with technology, I'll take a broadly similar example, an analog TV. What's with the snow on the TV? An uninterpreted signal. In practice the TV receives a signal and tries to make an image by decoding the signal. Snow appears when the desired signal is to weak or the interfering signal is exceptionally strong. The same thing is happening with the brain, except, your brain is not exactly a TV. The snow is data coming from somewhere else which you're not decoding. Now, there are certain cases where this can be caused by physical brain injury, but those are rare and are not what I am talking about here, but be aware that those exist too. Most cases of visual snow seem to me to come from the conscious part of the brain making an active connection to the unconscious part during the waking hours. The signal however seeps through and is interpreted as visual snow. As you lie down, close your eyes for a while, meditate or whatever, the connection gets gradually stronger again, not only improving the signal strength, but also the active area that's processing it, which leads to formations of pulsating fields, which further turn into scenes, dreams and projections. Okay, that's settled. What's then up with all the smooth muscle stuff I was talking about? That's most of the interfering signal. You can prove it to yourself by very carefully observing what your body is doing when the pulsating fields appear. Or if there's someone who hasn't gotten there, just as the visual snow is often had in the waking hours, you can induce the fields by just staring into one point for a long while until the vision begins to shift.
>>42144268There's even a game kids play when they stare into a mirror for a while until their faces start doing all sort of weird shit. Technically this is nothing new. just misunderstood. So, when a person is practicing qi and shit, they're not only observing but interacting with this phenomena, which stem from the smooth muscle tissue and you can really fuck yourself over with that. Note also that the applying influence to the smooth muscle feels sort of like focusing with your eyes, also smooth muscle, which is where all the third eye imagery stems from. It feels like it because you're operating the same type of muscle. Now what happens when you train your autonomous system to rely on conscious input, yet that connection is severed during most of your conscious hours? Yeah, nothing good. The problems seem to slowly go away with time, but I invented the method from my previous post so I personally wouldn't have to wait years and years. The principle is simple, you refuse deeper conscious interaction by not falling further than the snow. Consciously forcing that retrains your unconscious brain to resume normal operation during waking hours.>>42141665Yeah, nowadays I'm mostly okay, slight migraines on the right side for only minutes at the time, a small twitch every week or so, and a stutter once a month. Used to be so bad I considered offing myself. I got away with it, I think. Thank you.
>>42139206What kind of breathing technique do you use ? Is anyone know if fat impade the flow of Qi ?
>>42144268>>42144272>>42141437great write ups, thank you good contribution anon
>>42144402Thank you, my writing isn't what it used to be and honestly I was in a bit of a rush, I'm just glad you got something out of it. I've been planning for years to make a series of long form video essays on this and my other ideas, but due to my health and other circumstances I've never got around to doing it. But I'm moving places in a month, starting my own company etc. This should allow me enough flexibility and time to put something out by the end of the year. The title will certainly include visual snow, so if you remember to, look it up every now and then, maybe I'll pop up. No promises, but it's possible.
>>42141437Evil spirits try to make you think you will have a stroke or something when you meditate but you have to stay calm that is called equanimity in Buddhism a very important teaching. But you will not have a stroke and if you think you do it's your mind growing. Doctors don't even understand strokes because 40% of people who have them completely heal and develop extra abilities like art or music they didn't have before. Their brain not only healed, it grew extra. As another example the eyes are actually part of the brain and they are the fastest healing thing on the body. That's why you can have faith over doubt meditate on that and the truth will set you free
>>42145167what will the channel be called?
>>42139206There has to be some kind of simple and most importantly effective technique that would allow most people to begin feeling qi energy within 1 to 3 weeks of daily practice (4 weeks at most), with at most 20-30 minutes of practice per day. Could someone please post that (any such practices). All the vagueposting and posting of endless libraries of trial and error are a waste of time, as everything else would probably "start working" once you unlock the ability to feel chi to begin with, and most of us can't feel shit if our lives depended on it so all effort is wasted.It's like trying being born blind and trying to contemplate what the color red looks pink looks like. Until you "unlock" the ablity to see, even if temporarily just to see the color once, you will never be able to comprehend the color or experience it mentally.
>>42139206taoists forgot they were told meridians were filthy for a god damn reason.doing shit with energy knocks loose energetic waste thats harmful for the the body getting rid of it is a huge part of actually progressing through cultivation.most taoist schools have lost track of this and can only wait for natural dispersal of this waste which itself is under the umbrella of stuff fucked up by it.and given the surrounding environment itself influences this passive recovery and modernity in general fucks it up for a laundry list of reasons.most modern schools which were already heavily degraded and just cargoculting their "recuperative" techniques before commies started hunting them.now the remaining techniques are effectively much more strenuous on the body and remaining schools are mostly just getting even less potent to compensate.west has a secular rediscovery of this in grounding electrically that should help you recover mind giving more detail on your techniques
>>42145434didn't another anon already send to a link to Qigong Embryonic breathing, why are you asking for the same thing again
>>42145296I had one. I'm not new to this and while I haven't dug deep into Buddhism I agree with a lot of it on a surface level. I also agree with a lot of perceptual stuff you wrote, it is on point. I also haven't found a deep spiritual/mystical experience that I've missed on my path. I'm interested in mechanics of it all and I believe I've gotten somewhere. For example I've found what you're describing to be most likely a stuck and/or spasming sphincter, which after it is released floods you with such relaxation that the rest of the system relaxes too and it tends to produce visions of heaven or rot, depending on whether you've fasted before. There is no doubt in my mind that these physical mechanics are the end point where the material meets the spiritual, and not merely an attempt at a basedentific explanation. But these specific things are unlikely to be evil spirits. Healthy body, healthy mind.>>42145300I have no idea, but since nobody else that I'm aware of has yet made a direct connection that visual hallucinations arising before sleep, during meditation or under influence of drugs are synesthesia of smooth muscle over vision, I should be easy to distinguish. But, I'll think about the name for a bit now and will reply again if I come up with something. I'm very annoyed with cliche so it might take a while haha
>>42145442>didn't another anon already send to a link to Qigong Embryonic breathingThere is absolutely nothing simple about that practice (I had already seen it before, I have the video course material for it by the author). It has specific dietary requirements, specific hours for practicing (that don't even fit into the average work schedule), and you are even asked to face east when the sun is out while practicing to make it more effective. Simply put, there are just a ton of variables that make it easy to practice self-gaslighting after it doesn't work, and that's how people end up on what I call "the threadmill of perpetual failure".I ironically only found practices that worked and yielded results, by filtering out this that allow too many variables for failure, because those are the things that usually don't work, but instead revolve around making the "trainee" blame themselves for it not working because the many endless variables they didn't account for or failed to execute properly.Have you noticed that nobody in that thread is talking much about feeling qi, how to feel qi. what qi feels like, etc. It's just talking about vague subjective things like "health" and "spirituality".Notice it's never results focused or focused on a measurable experience/phenomenon that anyone can test/measure themselves.That thread is just /omg/ general reborn, just narrowed down to energy cultivation rather than occult practices in general, but it's equally as pointless.
>>42145469>I ironically only found practices that worked and yielded resultsyou said that you never felt qi before but now you are saying you have found practices that yield results; I'm confused?
>>42145489>you said that you never felt qi before but now you are saying you have found practices that yield results; I'm confused?Not practices that revolve around feeling qi, but it is my success/results with these other practices that even made me interested in wanting to attempt to feel qi (other practices that focus on different things surprisingly worked, which made things that once seemed impossible now seem feasible).Simply put, there are other things you can try, and you find things that work, and those things eventually end up being connected in some way, and finding an energy cultivation practice (just a practice to begin feeling energy period) would be the next big step.But one key trait I've noticed with the things that work, is that they are always simple (at least in my case, maybe that's the only things that work for me and I'm just a special case, but I don't believe so). I believe the complicated and convoluted practices that are spread nowadays are done so on purpose, they are a smokescreen, they are like they are on purpose, to push as many people as possible "off the path" by a game of attrition (failing to gain results after years and years of training in ineffective/fake practices).There are also big steps in other directions one could take that may ultimately lead back to eventually feeling qi/energy (e.g. The Gateway Experience Hemi-Sync audios).I've began to realize that there very likely is an "optimal path", a specific and simple sequence of practices that the majority of people can do and it would yield results, and we all simply will never have access to those training manuals, so were just stumbling in the dark and moving forward bit by bit through trial and error (which is a waste of time, I'll be dead before I get anywhere significant).Vague practices, subjective practices, complicated/convoluted practices, they are just time wasters and they don't really yield any testable and observable results.
>>42145566ohh alr so you meant you had success with the The Gateway Experience Hemi-Sync audios
>>42145434welcome to occultism in general the old schools called this stuff internal alchemy because VERY particular practices were needed to actually bring spiritual senses back online to actually do stuff.most modern schools are just cargoculted older techniques and terminology that only makes sense after those initiatory practices hammered into bullshite that sounds right(comfortable) to lay peopleas i said here >>42145440schools are too decayed to actually use techniques as potent as what you want without frying themselves and too unwilling too confront their decay to cut the usual crap and actually start repairing their techniquesits a catch 22 of needing the good shit to parse out what the good shit is and most are unwilling to admit how bad things actually are enough to actually help best you can get is shooting blind on teachers and books till you get lucky.and masters despite what most people say are rarely willing to actually cut the crap and get to the good shit fast enough to give a student a real chance to surpass them and repair the usual generational rot of a school.john chang was as real a teacher as you could want and he wasted his time on clout chasers while leaving his two serious students to whither away. leaving a legacy in as good a shape as you got let alone better is a VERY rare thing and mostly happens when its turned to enough of a dumpster fire to be a low bar best I can give is aura seeing, qi gong, and grounding for easy stuff
>>42145566you probably want "your hands can heal" its simple enough. just takes discipline
>>42145658>best I can give is aura seeing, qi gong, and grounding for easy stuffOk, but could you actually please give it lol. Like give the specific sources that outline the specific techniques (named practices, specific books, etc).I don't even care that much about aura seeing (but I'll take whatever I can get), more interesting in qigong (specifically feeling qi), maybe grounding (because it always sounded like something essential to even feeling energy, but it's never specifically outlined how to really do it and how it really works).I'm feeling like waiting 20 minutes before posting this, because I may be rushing, and you might actually be making a 2nd post right now giving me exactly those sources, but I can't take that chance because this is an anon forum with no "private messaging someone later" and you may just leave this thread 20 minutes after posting because I didn't respond.>>42145672>you probably want "your hands can heal" its simple enough. just takes disciplineVagueposting does not help anyone
>>42145658Oh, and to be even more specific, when I ask for sources/specifics here >>42145678, I don't just mean "sources/specifics that merely exist and you know of", I mean "sources/specifics that you yourself utilized and they worked".I felt the need to elaborate on that because in a lot of cases people just end up rattling off things they've heard of or saw someone else say worked, and that's not really reliable and is no different than me doing a random google search and practicing what pops up.If it didn't work for you and it's just hearsay, then it likely won't work for me either, and it would probably be a waste of time practicing it.Thank you.
>>42145703>>42145678lmao anon you are asking to much from /x/
>>42145714>lmao anon you are asking to much from /x/I know, but sometimes you find money on the ground while walking the streets. I've stumbled onto useful things before on 4chan, there has to be someone that knows something here.
>>42145729>I've stumbled onto useful things before on 4chansuch as i have only found shit covered coins.but seriously is there any practices which you would recommend to me anything related to /x/, thanks in advance(also following your rules sources/specifics that you yourself utilized and they worked)
>>42139206Why not do more typical left hand path stuff? What's with this self-sabotage?
>>42145736>but seriously is there any practices which you would recommendWeirdly enough, it's never something you ask for, it's more like you go searching and randomly discover something.But they are merely all "parlor tricks" I've picked up after certain experiences. Nothing significant like what would result froms something extreme like being able to literally feel a "foreign" energy in your body (and/or around you) - qi/chi/etc.1. The Gateway Experience Hemi-Sync Audios - You can find downloads for this anywhere, in fact there's probably an active general/thread right now with the download links. I never even made it to focus 10, I gave up on it for a while because of that, but just listening to those audios for a month and trying to do what is requested resulting in some interesting changes (specifically an increase general control over my mind and body, being able to enter a light trance quickly, relaxing the body, etc, things that feel very distinct and once you can do it at will it feels like you now have an "ability", but once again, they are just like a "minor ability" because they are just "parlor tricks", you can't do anything significant with that).2. Holosync Meditation Audios (you can easily find a torrent on rutracker) - Probably the first significant meditative experience I had was with these audios. I only really listened to "The Dive" from the "Awakening Prologue" consistently for about a week or so (maybe 2 weeks). It produced a very weird experience at one point where (eyes were closed obviously) I literally felt like I had expanded and grew to a giant/larger size and also paradoxically that I was now "within" that larger version of myself (it's just such a weird experience to describe). I definitely can't enter that state at will and have never been able to pull it off without the audio, but my ability to naturally meditate without the requirement of the audios increased.
What is the connection between cummies and qi
>>42145736>such as i have only found shit covered coins.Did you ever find anything that gave you any experiences like this (even if it didn't result in a permanent change), please mention it, it may lead to something on my end, I'm always searching for more things to try (not necessarily limited to audios).It would be nice if someone, anyone, finally gave me something rather than me stumbling upon something like random chance after hours of searching.I'm tired of searching and hoping I find something, and just collecting parlor tricks. I need to find something concrete that starts a "snowball effect" that makes all of my years of searching worth it, and not just a waste of time.Even if you think it's just a shit covered coin, please mention it, so long as it produced some kind of "foreign experience" like I described, once again, even if there was no permanent change or improvement afterwards, but especially mention it if there was.The one thing I truly hate feeling about my life, is incompetance and ignorance. Know that there is something out there that could change everything for me, but I simply "don't know what I don't know" so I'll never get a chance to even hear about it. It's so frustrating. It just makes the searching feel all the more annoying and pointless. It's much too dependent on luck rather than effort when it comes to these things.
>>42145678there are very few "good" books in occultism most core techniques are like you said fairly simple at heart with a few particulars to watch or purposefully over blown and complicated to cover up the technique itself being fraudulent unreliable or genuinely just very weak.and almost always padded out from a pamphlet of good shit with religious filler and anecdotal occultist experience stuff assuming they say stuff outright at all,a lot of vauge posters are just full of bullshit but between needing senses to get it and genuine persecution you rarely get the best stuff with out reading between lines.for aura sight its like reiki in that its fairly common and enough to it to be somewhat genuine but reiki very much keeps its core techniques in school such its books are only introductory or supplementary while aura sights very common but most books on it are a page of technique typically such they are all fairly shit might be bits and pieces of building better techniques across different books but a quick library genesis search will give you about as good a jump off point as any I can givefor grounding positive ions fuck up health robert becker in his "the body electric" goes through what is essentially a secular rediscover of a lot of the principles of qi stuff the only real technique of it all is electrically grounding yourself just a bath tub with salt water and some foil from water to nearest exposed metal pipe will do you really need to be looking between the lines or just googling that I had to spell that out I gave you the best hint I could just pointing you to electrical rather than the waste of time psychological groundings "gaslight yourself into feeling better" shtick isfor qi gong styles are all based on kriya motions so mimicking movements made by energy moves energy its very good for feeling energy but difficult to learn without an instructor so its good to see if you just have a good one in your area all the old schools work
>>42145934>for qi gong styles are all based on kriya motions so mimicking movements made by energy moves energy its very good for feeling energyThanks, but could you state a specific qi-gong practice that outlines this. I will never be able to find an instructor where I live and there is no guarantee that the instructor even has your knowledge or results. Everything I learn or discover, and any ability I attain, I will have no choice but to attain it on my own. So I need you to give me a specific book and author whose training outlines the process that you know works (or does so as closely as possible).As for the grounding thing you mentioned, that sounds like something interesting to research, I'll definitely look into that. I've always found it kind of "magical" how people can use static like in the video here (and that if one could harness that without the use of special materials that build static, they would pretty much have a supernatural ability, though a very minor one): https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2e3Eyr3dFGkI would probably attempt aura seeing only after gaining the ability to sense/feel energy, as I think it's much more extreme in requirements for your eyes to see what others can't see, and learning to see energy sounds a lot harder than first feel it.
>>42145977dude people get killed for a fraction of what your asking for by glowies it happens all the time in alternative health people smart enough to see how corrupt "healthcare" is. people who know vaugepost for a fucking reason.I'm a dude sorting through the bullcrap like you all my real shit is from parsing out what works from the dumpster fire that is modern occultism I've put out the various useful books I've found and tried to warn people off from the common pitfallsbut being explicit would put me at serious risk the most I can give is pointers toward the common low hanging fruit books that as I have repeatedly said all fucking suck even in the real deal stuff because the people who write those books failed to get far enough to realize how many people get killed for this stuff, were pushing stuff too barely functional to be a threat, coded the fucking shit out of their stuff, keep critical initiatory teachings in house or are fucking glowies mixing in low grade techniques to help sell bullshit and all that assumes just being genuine a lot of real stuff is from people who were just plain born with or got by luck a measure of the awakened senses needed to understand this shit and their stuff consequently can only be used to jumpstart people with the same variety of natural gift if the kind of open explicit books you want exist they are kept in very closed off schools the only way to get what you want is to parse out how this stuff actually works from the general mess of occultism ask why hemisync works and so on
>>42145977>dude people get killed for a fraction of what your asking forUnless you felt qi while practicing some "super secret unknown" qigong method, then it doesn't make any sense why you can't atleast tell me the name of the lineage/type of qigong you first felt qi while practicing, that's all I'm asking for.There's spring forest qigong, fragrant qi gong, etc., atleast one of these common ones probably produces some kind of effect, and it may be the reality that you've practiced one of those and it worked.Nobody is asking you to outline something custom you discovered, I'm asking for named things that already exist and are known around the internet, but nobody actually has the time to practice all of them and filter them out one by one until they find the one that works (not unless they are currently in school and have the free time that a teenage has).But were all mostly adults here, I have work tomorrow and I work more than the usual 8 hours a day and I have one day off per week lol. I literally don't have the time for filtering anymore, so once again, there has to be some named specific (already known) qigong practice that you practiced that allowed you to feel qi energy (assuming you ever felt it at all before or ever practiced qigong, so I may be wrong for assuming those things).I mean the gateway experience audios is probably one of the most legit things ever, researched and tested by the CIA even, actually produces phenomena consistently with most people (some more than others), and yet it's the most common and talked about thing in these spaces with the files being shared daily. Why aren't we all being killed off?Maybe "hoarding" knowledge and not doing with it what was done to the gateway experience is why people get killed. Making it so common and known that it's pointless to try to kill people off that know about it, because there'd be too many people to kill and "the cat is out of the bag" now.
>>42139206Everyone interested in this subject should read the energetic kinesiology text book by Charles Krebbs. He lists all the energy pathways and circuits and meridians.Also you are probably just sucking it into the wrong place. I don't know the right place though.
>>42145296>eyes are actually part of the brainthat's nuts i always thought my brain was in my eyes lol
>>42139206you cant move iq if you have none/thread you absolute schizos
>>42146632its a self made method I got what I have by actually reading stuff thinking about how it works and testing it and rather than getting what I have by doing qi gong I was able to compare my results to what they talk about qi gong giving and use that basis of attainment to better understand qi gong and get they were getting the same results back in the olden days and my methods are still in development but I have knocked loose enough of how this works to get a good measure of how genuine a lot of this shit is.and most any school out there is well and truly in horrible shape there are very few good books in general let alone named known common stuff that gets right to the point like your asking for.the point I'm trying to make is you already hit the peak of known immediate return in the gateway stuff if your that pressed for time I doubt you could put in the effort for any known techniques that get near that level of effect as again most anything you can find openly in a book is crude vague barely functional and takes a horrendous amount of time to develop the kind of potency you want is beyond anything in print unless you have a strong innate gift you can only get it by trying to figure it out yourself.qi gong is the best energy feel forcing practice and you really only need a legit lineage for it to work though.also they assasinated our capitalist class to force through the selling the nation into slavery policy that is the federal reserve it is that bad until the people are willing to kill probably most of the nation at this point
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