How can I go about it without psychedelic substances? I have done shrooms before and was blown away by the internal hallucinations but I am now in a position where I am trying to stay off psyches but I want to be able to dip my toe back into seeing the vast impossible geometric landscapes stuff like shrooms can take you too. Is there some weird protocol where I can cause my body to create such visualizations/hallucinations physiologically?
learn math/ coding of fractals
>>42139345Sounds a bit drab, though
>>42139338Go to 4plebs look up "BEN meditation"Perform that, then dive into psychogenic imagination. (Hard forced daydreaming.)You understand the idea of "Placebo Effect" ?You understand that you are ultimately in control of your entire body?Drugs actually alter very little.The ability to experience, comes from YOU. Regardless of drugs.You are the biggest piece of any "drug trip" equation.The drug is just a key to a lock, the door is in your mind.Just break the lock on your own.You can imagine and self simulate the effects of any drug.Balance on the edge of uncertainty, then trip it at phasic intervals, into the type of trip you need, then utilize the cognitive differential yourself.BEN meditation is the best start, because it primes your neural network, in full.You need your whole body in on the game.40,000 neurons in your heart. They work, when you think. Just like the ones in your brain.If you can't sync up your whole body, by force, you can't control it psychogenically to the point of enforcing your own hallucinations.You can do it, and use them.
>>42139338just look at a fucking tree retard
>>42139345NTA but shitty advice, nothing of this world can even compare to what you can see on psychedelics.take it as someone that write fractal shaders for funsies.
>>42139952Howdy my brother in BEN. Hope your day has BEN solid so far.
>>42140081Doesn't do it for me.>>42140092>nothing of this world can even compare to what you can see on psychedelicsIt's becoming an unavoidable reality at the moment sadly. But again I want to try and avoid that for my own mental health.
>>42140081you should try psychs because a tree ain't it lmao.
>>42140223I've done plenty but whatever man keep on truckin'
>>42140232if you had done any you would know that a tree doesn't even compare to psychedelic visuals.heck it's limitied to 3d and rainbow colors.
>>42139338Daily meditation.What I normally do is connect with my spirit guides and higher self, by visualizing it with my imagination.The more you focus on it, the more real it becomes, and the higher dimensional landscape will start to unfold on its own.You can also search on youtube for "DMT breathwork".Basically if you do a lot of rapid breathing, and then hold, you can make your brain release DMT, so you can have psychedelic visions.
>>42140242maybe I've just seen some particularly dope ass trees
>>42140254Lower your tone when you speak to Tree
>>42140254>dope ass treeseven the dopest tree wouldn't compare, as it's still a 3d structure, and limited to the colors of the rainbow.psychedelics can make you see N dimensional stuff in colors that don't even exist here, and in details that are practicaly infinite, ie not even comparable in resolution to what eyes can do.
>>42140157>Mental health What are you hiding from?Mushrooms are usually pretty emotional, more therapeutic. Usually, any fear you get is something that's been there already that comes to the surface on the trip...also the body load can be more intense with shrooms more than say LSD.LSD is more cerebral. Less body load to none (if it's pure...but even garden variety stuff is good) but your ego can play into the trip a little bit more. Kinda like speedy.Just start small, work your way up to larger doses if you want to.Praying for it to ALL be legalized one day.Starting to realize the people against it are probably trauma bonded Mason faggots that can't handle REAL existential truth.
>>42140157By the way, it's ok to cry on a trip. That's the healthy part. I do sometimes.
>>42139338>I want to see geometry>How can I go about it without psychedelic substancesSoftware. https://mathcurve.com/surfaces.gb/espace/Curved%20Spaces%20-%20Win/Help/CurvedSpacesWelcome-en.html
>>42140568Actually this is the download link. https://www.geometrygames.org/CurvedSpaces/index.html
>>42140242I disagree. Trees are live fractal patterns and are some of the absolute most interesting things you can look at while tripping.
>>42140781yep. and when you look at them sober it's all still there.
>>42140568again, no, this doesn't even compare to what you can see on psychs, not even close.
more unhealthy to be scared of your mind and yourself. do the drugs if you want to see the shapes. or do ones that have very short trips, like dmt.
>>42139338Take advantage of hypnogogic states. Right before you cross the threshold of being awake to being asleep, your mind hallucinates easily. Simply contemplate what you saw on your last trip until you can see it again. Pay close attention to how your mind and body feel while this happens. Do this nightly and you will eventually reach a point where you can begin to initiate this yourself. Once you have comprehended how to initiate, begin working on making new geometry yourself. The more engrossed you become, the easier it will be to do this at will at any level of consciousness.
>>42140242damn dude if you can't see "it" in a tree then you're seriously slacking and lacking. go look at a romanesco cauliflower for a more obvious, in your face signature
>>42139338Just open your eyes, child.They are everywhere.
>>42140092>>42140223>>42140242>>42140352>>42140843>Bro man it just doesn’t compare man like you just have to trip bawls to really SEE anything manTake a shower you fucking hippie. Monks have been traveling the astral planes via meditation for eons before shaman apes ever ate a single cow shit mushroom. If you have to take a drug to open your mind, you’re a weak-willed no discipline Neanderthal.
>>42140843https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCE-QeDfXtAhttps://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Visual_effectsEvery type of visual effect of every psychedelic has been studied and (to some extent) replicated. But I suspect that's not what you're really after. You want an immersive, reactive experience that responds innately to your psychic substrate. And you're not going to get that without years of meditation and religious practice (or more psychedelics).
>>42140430OP here.The reason why I am trying to stay away from psyches is because during my last trip I underwent what I think was psychosis. Before then I hadn't had any issues and even got to ego death where I was able to be immersed in a world of sound and geometry, which is why I am still trying to chase that headspace. But as amazing as the of best trips were that last trip really really fucked my life up. It is the fact that the thoughts I was getting during the trip, with the understanding it might just be an underlying part of my psyche, that has made me frankly quite unsafe taking them. Thoughts I could have never ever entertain or concieve of was just invading my head in waves apon waves for 8 hours with brief lapses of lucidity where I would become terrified of what I was even considering. For 6 months afterwards I suffered with insomnia and for the first time in my life panic attacks. I have never experienced anything like that and it affected my relationships with family and work.If it weren't for all that I would be back to growing shrooms or considering trying DMT for the first time, but I am so scared of falling back into hell and fucking my life up now that I have built it back up.
>>42143565i never said you can't get there by meditation, i said nothing of the physical world even come close, learn to read retard.>>42143612>Every type of visual effect of every psychedelic has been studied and (to some extent) replicatedno, that's simply not true and half of them cannot even be portrayed in any meaningful way within the physical world.you don't know what you are talking about.
>>42139952Not OP here, can someone link the BEN meditation thread? I tried looking through 4plebs and found everything but the meditation guide :(
