Are Order of Nine Angles rituals and magick legit?
fucking nope
>>42156710No. Theyโre just larpers letting demons control them so they can molest children like most Satanists The demons are probably just lizard people who love watching humanity destroy and sacrifice each other since the beginning of time
Insight roles are unironically nut
>>42156710If you mean the seven fold way? Yes The general idea is legit. If you mean the larping, like in>lick some cunt under the full moon>go into the forest and stay there for weeks>become a criminal and/or infiltrate whatever group>play the stargamemeh; its an okayish way from an 80s perspective to convey the general idea of>know your desires and act on them with amorality>know yourself, connect with yourself and be able to survive on your own>be able to adopt a role that opposes your own without losing yourself>be able to think in multi dimensional fashionbut I would not necessarily recommend to take the rituals literalthere are many ways to understand and gain cognizance on the causal/acausal
>>42156754What about aeonic magick?
>>42156794ask yourself what is an aeon, what defines the previous aeon and how to change perception in a large enough/ influencal enough set of humans to change how reality is perceived and acted on.Again, the rituals/ currents/ dark gods are more like metaphors, less to be taken literal; but sure its very real and its very contested.
>>42156710Just more mind control for the Goyim
>>42156804I see. Do you think there are any real O9A members left, or is it all feds and children? Are there any legit groups with a similar system?
>>42156853not him but I know there is a real O9a person who is a professor at a UK college
>>42156872How do you know? Can you tell us who he is or are you keeping it a secret?
>>42156853I don't know. From my perspective there is no "o9a" group, just nexion, that may or may not (co)operate and compete to some degree, agree and disagree of what current the next aeon shall be. Personally I would prefer an Atazoth dominated one with some Nythra and Shugara; Vindex appears necessary
>>42156754>go into the forest and stay there for weeksHave you ever done it tho? There's a reason children can see "imaginary friends". Their pineal gland isn't calcified like most adults.Dreams are lucid every single night you spend off grid no EMF or 5g.And once you experience sleep paralysis, you'll see those shadow people (or others) without the shadow part. And I'm nit even taking into accou>>42156913They're just Egregores of different constellations.>>42156853From their terminology, those nexions focusing on edgy stuff are what they'll label a Drecc .Most of their material after 2012 became slop.
>>42156999Too larpy for me. From a more psychological material and cognitive point of view what I never quite got about the concept of the 7 fold way is why external adept before internal. Its not that the initiated is a blank slate, the iniated was most likely part of a mundane group already and it would make the goal of developing an amoral and acausal understanding more comprehensive to switch the sequence. First master to be alone on your own without social community net that subconsciously forces the initiate to be mundane, to strip that off and be confronted with the acausal on your own, to then start inside roles for causal effects on the infiltrated group through amoral and acausal understanding without falling prey to the mundane social dynamics in the infiltrated group
>>42156710This thread pops up all the time. Why? Is it the same boomer asking the same boomer question over and over or is this larpy bullshit so popular on normie websites it makes people ask about it? Either way it's cringy af, those boomers of the nine angles don't understand marketing. The same thing happens every time a new Stephen Cringeberg movie comes out, there will be endless threads about it here. There is one right now. They must have the same marketing agency.
>>42157218 i found that odd too
what's so good about the "acausal world", anyways?and the insight roles they proposed are, by modern standards, comically milquetoast >hur durr neonazi \islamist\ far-left militantcome on myatt, you KNOW there's wilder shit out there
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>>42157814Here are some new insight roles I can think of:>being kicked out of an Aghori Order for being too disgusting>expelled from your local communist party for publishing an admiring review of Jim Jones's People's Temple commune>become north korean mortician and funeral house official>>australian Aum Shinrikyo remnant devotee>Dual Seedline Christian Identity believer as a black person>going insane from Jansenist rigorist theology>guillotine quality tester>Living inside the walls of someones home>joining a David Koresh loyalists internet network
>>42157821Why can these faggots never fucking iron their flags? Jesus.
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>>42157231It pops up most likely because there was a concentrated and coordinated effort by the (technocratic-socialist) left to create a new boogieman after the retards run the goto for the last 80 years into the ground and Streisanded it not just into becoming more popular but having digital generations actually look into the historical data and beyond the propaganda, starting to question the most holy narratives of the post-1945 power arrangement between the int soc left and the libtardian left, actively undermining their intentions and powerThe Holocauster was never more questioned and doubt as denied and national socialism is considered a mask off variation of the left today and considered closer to the int soc and libtardian left then the "right"The retarded solution by the Boomers was>Lets add Satanism, Pedophilia, animal cruelty.....As expected, they Streisanded it more. Now we have unironically third world "Dreccs" that actively shoot up schools, stab elder, are the largest decentralized cp production and trading network and extortion networks ever in human history and occasionally kill small pets. And as if that wasn't enough yet, more people under 30 have now actually read and internalized Myatts writings from the 80s then ever before.Instead of artificially creating a phantom group boogieman to use for legitimation of totalitarian authoritarian legislation, the retards materialized it and delegitimated themselves. And these threads are for data gathering, to see how much they fucked up again, undermining themselves
>>42156728They're worse than that. It's an abuse cycle. It's turned into a hydra problem.
>>42158162>abuse cyclethat word makes no sense in relation to the writings of what is peddled as "o9a". There is no O9A group, there are groups and individuals, that in various degrees adopted the ideas expressed in these writings and the with it associated aesthetics.There is no Boomer tier "international congress of 9 angled orders", no leader(s), no influencers, nobody tangible to drag in front of a camera and screech>Ge got themHell there is not even a monolithic ideology or dogmaThe FBI and others can increase their imprisoning of "NVEs" by another 10,000%, it doesn't change that the cat is out of the bag and is having litters in wild.And tbqh sempais, whoever convinced Boomer tier 20th century institutions to use Myatts larp from the 80s as the new boogieman was the midwife
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AUM based linked to sutter's pseudo-iskcon nexion
>>42158331>sutterahahahahahahahahahahahahahahawhenever that name is invoked its the most obvious sign the speaker is a retard that tries to re-catch a ball that was fumbled
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original o9a is just edgier wicca. myatt is literally just an edgier neo nazi gerald gardner even having the same early life in the british colonies.original o9a is jus wicca+spengler+hermeticism+thelema kenneth grant+myatt's autistic fixations like cycling. there's also myatt's femdom fetish which is why all the sinister tales revolve around spooky powerful women killing defenseless men.but at least the first o9a had some good concepts like insight roles and the physical tests but the later o9a is just trash divorced from its roots.
>>42158434Holy fuck is this disappointing. I don't even care about particular beliefs but that edge - that edge is just horrible. I bet the person never attempted any spiritual development and exploration, they just want to be that dark and dangerous, dealing with "evil black magic" in performative way.
>>42158331I collect the martinet books, and Neo Aum Sermons is so fucking bad., easily the worst written
>>42156754the complete opposite of this post. you can practice the sevenfold this or that or pretend youre a big magician. but if you go live in the woods for a long time you will achieve an actual transformation of yourself which no amount of dilly daddling about stupid metaphysical bs will ever bring.
>>42156754AoT?
>>42156728>lizard people who love watching humanity destroy and sacrificeno. they are fishmen not lizards. Lovecraft was onto something
So many larping faggots that should have been aborted.
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>>42157823wat?
>>42156710sounds like a larp t bh
>>42156710O9A yes, ToB no
>>42158608do you have "black art of vampirism" by TOBV?That one is comically, even hilariously, edgy as a how-to guide. it even features the hare krishna mantra as spooky evil magic chantPurushamedha is pretty good. devil's quran is actually a good (fake lost media) book.
>>42158524the Dark Gods thing COULD have been cool lovecraftian abomination worship, but it's meagrely zodiac-thingy worship\muh greek gods whom are (((beautiful)))way to blow up a chance to create an IRL Eldritch Cult
Read thishttps://www.unz.com/estriker/national-justice-exclusive-notorious-nazi-satanic-group-is-an-illegal-counter-intelligence-operation-controlled-by-two-career-fbi-informants/
>>42156710idk but whenever I think of it I picture people like picrel
>>42158841Ill check that one out,But my favorite has got to be Nuclear Dharma
>>42158624For a city dweller maybe. For somebody that grew up in the middle of the woods, there is nothing to gain from spending a week or two more in the woods.In essence what Myatt appears to wanted to show philosophically and educationally, if one removes all the edge, esoteric lingua and rhetoric is his pathei mathos interpretation; learning from adversityMy interpretation for the external adept phase that means choosing an environment that is absolutely alien to the initiateCity dweller go livee in the woods aloneRedneck, survive on your own in mega cityDesert rat time to relocate to a jungleMountain goat a month at a coast.Forever onliner time to live in the real world>>42158658No. Just a scholar that considers the European and UK writers unique blend of various schools very interesting to say the least and has drawn some inspiration from it for his own art and Weltanschauung
What does the slave want more than anything?Freedom, which is an absence of chains, or commitments of entanglements. They want this because they feel deeply in their souls a lingering sense of fatigue. They yearn for death and the cessation of sensation. In making themselves so small, they have succeeded in protecting themselves, but they have also removed any opportunity to expand grow, and optain things for themselves.So they run on spares and slowly burn themselves out. The world is a grey and dull prison, and they, wearily wait for their end, which they imagine as a kind of paradise. It is this freedom itself which is paradisial to them. The promise of death. of an end. of resolution.
>>42159012>let's solve samsara with a nuke, top lel>missing a page>coomer sadhana for summon a nuke>random altar shitthat author also did an aghori book, i think he's now on fb pushing some nonsense "aghori vaishnava" mish-mash made-up "tradition"!!IIRC he was with sutter in the pseudo-iskcon proyect
>>42159156What you call freedom here, and what the slave, the mundane, the "npc", whatever name one wants to assign to the type of human, imagines as freedom is not freedom, its the exact opposite, its the chains of imagined certainty, a causal relationship between the now and the future that is misunderstood as freedom from uncertainty; something that doesn't exist. True freedom is embracing, welcoming and playing with uncertainty. And I suppose that is what in the language of the seven fold way is the stage between Master/Mistress of Earth and Magnus/Mousa. Where the Master crafts chains of illusionary certainty to influence the causal reality of his flock, and therefore their way of acting, the Magnus just is, without the illusion of being able to form the causal, and lets the acausal take form through himself as a conduit
>>42159283>>42159012by the same author
nuclear dharma "art"
>>42159540f*ck, forgot pic!!
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Looks fake and gay
>>42157823I recently started worshipping Stalin as well, but unlike these edgy fags, I do so genuinely and not as a form of subversion. Iโve come to believe that most of what is said about Stalin is bullshit. He took a rural, underdeveloped country and turned it into a superpower that became the first nation to reach space within just a few decades. He is humanityโs greatest friend and teacher. Glory to Stalin! Glory to socialism!
>>42160219Mundane slave detected
>>42160252Cocktulian detectedWhy don't you go suck some more FBI cock or buttfuck white nationalists in your basement like a true disciple of Sutter would?
>>42160219unlike the holohoax you cant really deny the gulags since prominent musicians and writers were sent there and never came back
>>42160268You are really afraid aren't you?Yes there are uncountable internal adept that were former unironic nat socialist currently doing their insight role in the int soc sphere>Sutter Sutter Sutterkind of like the mundane nat socialists (and since the Israel vs Israel incident int soc) screeching juice juice juice
>>42160512And I prefer the guys doing insight roles to most actual "comrades". But whats the point of the insight role if you can't (or are not willing) to completely brainwash yourself to completely believe in the cause you chose? It never was supposed to be a mere infiltration but a complete psychological makeover and trying not to loose yourself despite everything. >>42160437Yes but the kulaks deserved the gulags>but my hecking wholesome musicans and writerinoos!Thank you Stalin for purging these counter-revolutionary elements
>>42160590wrong, you mistake the sevenfold way with your cheap carbon copy magian cults ego-death and submission to the "collective will" bullshit. They are not in the insight role to be extorted by your esoteric core larpers (that all know how much bullshit your ideology is). The insight role is about comparisons and preparation for aeonic change, preparation to be a conduit. Those that switch jerseys from unironic ss uniform wearers to unironic nkvd uniform wearers failed
>>42160606And what is your metric? Best not to even mention the Fbi informant Sutter but Myatt or his cronies aren't anything to brag about either. Best to take what is useful from all of this mess (like Scithain and some parts of Hostia) and dismiss the rest of O9A like the junk it is. Better to use the actual functioning aspects to progress your own ideological goals than become a true believer in that garbage.
>>42157821this is the dorkiest shit i have ever fucking seen. all of this shit is bought off amazon and he didn't even iron the flag. is that a shed? probably a prebuilt one from home depot because his daddy isn't around enough to build a shed like a man. otherwise he wouldn't have a poser ass son pretending to be an occultist in suburban america just so he can get butt fucked in the name of occultism instead of admitting he is a faggot
>>42156710O9A, the noctulians, and the splinters are essentially non-existent anymore. O9A disappeared 10-15 years ago, if not more. The only people who carry that gay shit on are larping edgelords trying to get retarded girls with daddy issues to cut themselves over discord.
>>42160615>be afraid of the man>myatt is the leaderlol>use the actual functioning aspects to progress your own ideological goalsyou are free to use whatever you like, but it reads like you are just a drecc, not different in essence from the com, terrogram and all the other sociopaths, just a different atire
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>>42156710>edgelords and Neo-NazisThere are better options for learning and doing magic.
>>42161422>"nazi"The term is national SOCIALIST, a cult of left wingers not much different from international SOCIALIST. And if you still did not got it, its an inside role, where currently a lot of former mundane national SOCIALIST have infiltrated international SOCIALIST. Your boogiemanning fired back retard
>>42156710O9A is daycare for survivors of satanic ritual child abuse victims
>>42161609And then your realize these NATIONAL socialists were actually set up by INTERNATIONALIST capitalist bankers in New York and London to contain the workers revolution in russia, but then the NATIONAL socialists went rabid and attacked the hand that fed them as well but also still for some reason followed their original programming to attack the INTERNATIONALIST socialists, some of which became more NATIONAL after the war since Stalin said in his last speech that since fascism had been defeated and the bankers changing strategy and rather selling out their countries its ok for INTERNATIONAL socialists to be NATIONALIST now. Now the O9A offshoot Temple ov Blood is basically just the cult arm of the intellegence networks serving INTERNATIONAL capitalism and actually work for them and constanlty infiltrate anti-capitalist movements or larp as them.
>>42156999>post 2012 is slopThe recent trilogy that was put out by TWS is some of the best written stuff in a very long time.
>>42157231It's Niners shilling, they coordinate it from Skibidi Farms.
>>42161965Klaas forum has been down for quite some time now; personally I thought the hutucord idea was neat, but it was too obscure; nobody remembers the 90s anymore let alone the implications.
>>42161776The word "capitalism" doesn't exist outside of marxist religious dogma. Its a pejorative used by a poor socialist against a perceived rich socialist. Both are at the core aiming for the same thing: socialization of capital risks through a central planning committee to profit now at the cost of somebody else later. The "capitalist" was just more successful lobbying the central planning committee then the self declared socialist.And what you call "internationalist" is the purest form of marxism, a business model that only works in an environment where a central planning committee is able to enforce the monopoly on legal tender creation and loaning; a very recent phenomena that is merely 211 years old; there is not a business model more socialist than banking
>>42156710The group who extorts kids on roblox to cut themselves?
>>42161978>Everyone is somehow a socialistI wish but what you are doing is exactly the same as libs calling everyone nazi or my kind calling everyone a fascist. Personally, I believe banks, currency, etc. should be abolished, perhaps even cities themselves. Maybe parts of them could remain as administrative and economic centers, but overall they are a breeding ground for the urban-dwelling, glasses-wearing bourgeois, the sneering elite, the capitalist pigs who mock the toil of the masses.
>>42162297What libs? There hasn't been liberals in the classical sense since 1775 and one might say, there never were, just story tellers, trying to manipulate retards.If your base of thinking includes a central planning committee you, as in YOU personally want to outsource your risks and cost to this central committee so it can leverage your submission to redistribute YOUR risks and costs onto somebody else, you are as far in the realm of teleological universalistic collectivistic utopian millenarian religious cultism or colloquially called "the left" as it gets.The structural and processual logic is always the same, no matter if you call it, christianity, islam, judaism, hinduism, socialism, capitalism, corporatism, communism, national socialism, fascism, liberalism, internationalism...... an esoteric core telling retarded stories only the most braindead idiot or lowest of the lowest opportunistic scum would believe and submit to, with the sole goal being behavioralize the extoric environment to extort resources from>Abolishedthat's not the point; you don't need somebody else to "abolish", "outlaw", "illegalize".... something YOU don't like โ you just have to make a conscious decision to defect from every attempt of somebody that wants this shit and not cooperate with them>b-but I wants monies and be absolved from the uncertainty of the future>I-i wants to haz "good" lifeWell then you decided already you are opting to be a slaveStop having an opinion, that's something a slave is not supposed to engage in
>>42162351>Yes that's right slave. Dont collectivize to improve society, remain an "individual" so we can divide and conquer youNot gonna happen, rothschild.
>>42162391What is easier to be co-opted, bribed, integrated, attacked and scattered? A group, a collective, a centralized idea that has for organizational reasons to apply a hierarchical structure and be centered around some form of inert dogma OR a fluid, decentralized, anarchic, dynamic "force", that adapts situationally to its enviornment?And now you understand why every cult is so afraid of Myatts fan fiction from the 80s
>>42162447Yes, your structure is fascinating. The Bavarian Red Army operated in a similiar structure. I wonder how the O9A can be subverted and used for the purposes of the working class.
>>42162501>the working "class"You are a retard. AAA+ idiotyour sales pitch is essentially not different from a Rothshild, a "nazi", an [insert whatever 19th century style cult]>follow me>submit to me>and "we" gonna win>(so I profit)Tough luck faggot, the playbook doesn't work anymore
>>42162528I think it does. Especially considering the recent success of certain populist movements worldwide. You'll see.>your sales pitch is essentially not different from a Rothshild, a "nazi", an [insert whatever 19th century style cult]The difference is that we are right. Socialism is the only truth and the only path.
>>42156710no. its a psyop to produce massive amounts of loosh
>>42162532No it doesn't.>populistyou really cant divorce from your 19th century lingo.What you see as a "movement" is more a "fandom" whose fans switch their fandom faster than you can say "revolution". There are no loyalties, to nobody, just situational, localized temporary limited transactions. Any promise in the future is dismissed as scam
>>42156710No, but the principle of the labyrinth is real.
>>42161609>this bullshitYeah, sure, go ahead and ask them how they feel about socialism.
>>42162916They were socialists, the majority of their cadre was socialists, the bureaucrats, party members and leaders, "scientists", functionaries that went seamlessly from the NSDAP regime into the FRG and GDR went to the socialist parties. There is no discussion to be had about that from a historic perspective.>b-but they killed socialiststhe greatest enemy of a socialist is a slightly different socialist, like with all cults, a heretic is worse than a barbarian, because the barbarian is just an outsider, the heretic on the other hand is somebody that undermines the universal true considered goal. At the core every socialist is just a secular religious tard that only differentiates in the detail, every socialist is a teleological universalistic collectivistic millenarian utopist eugenicist, their religious goals in their totalitarian minds always justify all means, the creation of the promised utopia, the generation of a "new man", the nsdap called their "new man" "Aryan", the communists called it "the classless" and the left "liberals" call it "multicultural". The national socialists were just the most mask off variation of socialism.
Is there anywhere I can learn more about the history of O9A and what esoteric traditions it descends from specifically?
>>42163336Read herehttps://archive.org/details/TheBigAssOnaCollectionor alternatively load the pdfs into an llm with a large ass context window and prompt awayI suggest both, first read it, and then do an active hermeneutic spiral with an llm to spot at one hand hallucinations (stay away from llms with active RAG [I might have data poisoned the internet a bit]) and to not fall prey to invisible system prompts that have certain biasesand always compare, like in practical terms load it into multiple llms and use the same prompt chain and compare output
>>42163406What LLM do you recommend?
>>42163785All of them, the more the merrier and more comparison, if you have the hardware, nothing wrong with setting up silly tavern and getting some models from hugging faces. Be warry about Grok GUI for the moment, you can't shut down web-search and for niche themes like o9a and esoteric themes it loves to draw from "official" sources and is easily fooled by epistemological land mines aka data poison. If you plan on working with the API no problem, just remember to shut down web search.
>>42163032That sounds like something a fascist would say.
>>42164389aha. so in your mind its rational for a fascist to shit on his own ideology and equalize it with the from his perspective heretics? That would be heresy from the fascist perspective; Rรถhm and others died for that heresy. No, a fascist would differentiate himself from his socialist brothers and mythologize his religion as the "third way", which is bullshit, fascism, nat socialism, communism, social democracy, left "liberalism" are from a content perspective extremely close, non is a "third way", they are all totalitarian forms of etatism that all want to create their own version of "new man" a slave that submits to the secular god of the "state"
>>42163032the third reich was a mixed economy like most countries.Also racial wars have merit over class wars, since class warfare is simply used to rally the retarded majority
>>42164448>mixed economy like most countries.there is nothing mixed about an economy when a set of actors exist in a territory that grant themselves the latitude to socialize risks and costs onto not yet born humans in the future to provide profits in the now for a distinct set of actors under the pretense to be able to predict the future to scam or worse genuinely believe that they have the power to bring their utopia and reach their millenarian goals by having their dirty little paws in the honey pot of the future.>racial vs class warboth are exactly the same structurally, narratives to convince and manipulate mundanes into being useful idiots for the manipulators will to power and material low risk profits. War is war, the goal is to kill to get somebody else shit, the reasoning is secondary
>>42164435No, but it's rational for a fascist to deflect and insist that what he's doing is "totally not fascism, I swear," then proceed to act in a fascist manner.
>>42165732This is this stupidest deflection by some int socialist scum about nat socialist socialist scum I ever read. If it is was for me, every human that slightly believes in socialism, no matter the variation would be executed after having watched his off spring being disemboweled
>>42165807>If it is was for me, every human that slightly believes in socialism, no matter the variation would be executed after having watched his off spring being disemboweledAh, so this is what the death rattle of a sneering imperialist pig looks like. Better protect your hoarded wealth little piggy, because soon it will be redistributed to the working class.
>>42165943You do understand that socialism no matter the variation is in its dead bed due to demographic reality. Your religion relies on an exponential growing amount of suckers being born to serve the liabilities off the past. That's not possible anymore. You can screech words and pejoratives as much as you like, socialism is over.
>>42165956Well, your categorization is pretty wide sweeping so at least according to your it does EXTREMELY well. Not to mention your enormous fear of socialists and the desperate measures you would take.
>>42165966300T in the hole on a global scale, and thats just the official numbers not considering hidden liabilities that 10x that number, debt to gdp ratios that range from 250% up to 1500% in the case of socialisms primus (china). Propaganda reach in the relevant age group between 14 and 28 under 20%, inverted demographic pyramid and a crime and criminality rate exponentially rising; not sure what you understand under "doing well" but socialism and etatism are dead ratting โ past wins is no indicator of how they die.>y-you are afraidno; rationally speaking every dead socialist and opportunist of socialism is a profit by cutting them off the books
Some niners are quality people but they are reclusive so it's rare to cross paths.The ones you will run into are the performative edgelord posers and mentally ill discorders.
