Defacto LOA thread since it seems the general has died for good.I've been looking into JP's stuff recently and I quite like it, it makes a lot of sense to me with the indivisible nature of OAP meaning that not only is it everywhere and thus invisible (fish don't know they are in water) but also that due to its indivisible nature I or anyone else fully encompasses ocean and thus is in command of their local private dream. Personally so far I don't go full solipsism and imagine reality as something akin to a video game lobby where as mass changes happen other people move in and out of your existence bubble to another one if the discrepancy is too high, solving the issue of what happens if two people try to get the same goal.I don't really see much discussion about UL anymore and I kind of feel like there is something I am missing about it to explain why it's not actually how things are. UL has the problem of "you weren't believing hard enough" that LOA adjacent metaphysics usually have but taken to a higher level since all you do is continually read until you "know" on a fundamental level. JP's artstyle and descriptions doesn't make it much easier to understand either. Anyone have experiences with UL they want to talk about?As for me personally, no luck so far desu. Although I haven't really been doing many command sessions so much as just deciding what I want and "thumb's up" anything otherwise since my status as 100% OAP means that saying I need to read more or do more is just a wave trying to get me back on a line of expansion. Although admittedly today I am starting to doubt again so maybe my foundations really aren't solid enough to get out of the proof loop.
>>42161851I'm a big fan of it too but am stuck in the most frustrating part of all LOA like stuff, which is the BIG stuff. I have successfully attempted to actualize small easy changes and seen it successfully manifested. Things like strokes of fortune, luck going my way and a bunch of circumstances aligning to make my days a lot easier then normal. Things like going to work and a bunch of unexpected stuff making my life easier. I thought of my days simply being easier and had perfect circumstances appear for them. But those are just side gigs I think of to help me pass the time more comfortably whilst I wait for the good stuff. What I really want is freedom. Like some kind of super dream where I can be in my own private world with complete control. I can do anything because I am everything, so it shouldn't be impossible right? But I've tried so many things. I do LOA stuff of it all the time trying to be in those beautiful dream like places and feel the joy and wonder of it as though its real and I've got it. I go about my day trying to feel like its came true. I've done the mini sessions of the Universal line going through its variations of steps of doing "nothing". I tried combining the techniques with stuff like the Gateway tapes thinking maybe in focus 10 or something I can actualize better, as well as the planning tapes in them too. In fact lately I've even began to pray, not quite sure who too but I just get on me knees and do so each night.And yet I get nothing. Even worse I have no idea if what I'm doing is even getting me closer. Like you said you get that kind of thought of "maybe I'm not thinking of it HARD enough" but that kind of contradicts the UL stuff. But what pisses me off the most is I HAVE manifested small things. There's definitely something to tap into to help you. But it seems almost limited. An I the problem and am just not good enough at this kind of thing? Or is there some kind of limitation on what I can do? I just don't get it.
you got trust issues, dawg. every time you look for proof or evidence you introduce doubt. ironically, something people will never fully understand is that the process of doubt, and subsequently removing it, is necessary for growth, and thus alignment to your goal. >why because you are the author of your story and burden of proof is on nobody but you to outgrow your limitations. practice surrender, and shrugging.
Obligatory link to the material:https://mega.nz/folder/77xzHbLA#NOfvJvN_g8ULmlEWpZjC1w
>>42161851Things are wonderful. My family easily helps everyone in need now and receives endless abundance in return. Things are better than ever and they continue to improve daily. Everyone who has ever helped me or my family is incredibly blessed and happy to see the immense wealth and endless happiness and success my family now enjoys
Why did the general die?
How old was the general and why now is it paranormal?I thought the nobody autism would die in a month or so it's almost a year now i think
>>42163535loa general has been going on since like 2020 or even before it. last thread died a few days ago and haven’t seen a new one since so might be gone for good. Might be for the best since most experienced users left years ago and you got left with people like motheranon or lilanon spouting random shit like alchemy. Always a chase for the newest method instead of actually reading universal line or neville goddard texts.>why now is it paranormaleffective its non dualism and supposed to be an endpoint for a lot of religious or magical practice since its arguing that its not external entities doing things but the human belief in them which causes things like miracles to happen. UL takes it a bit further by clarifying they are “real” but not one thing and thus not the final source, effectively just other characters in your own dream.>>42163028haven’t you been posting this for literal months dude? Convincing us of it won’t make anything happen in your life this isn’t law of collective unconscious. If you want that do chaos magick and spam sigils ig.
>>42161851can someone give me a tldr about the pic
>>42161851How to make subtle changes to the past with this? E.g. not selling a certain item or not sending a text?
What is UL in simple terms
>>42163622>haven’t you been posting this for literal months dude? Convincing us of it won’t make anything happen in your life this isn’t law of collective unconscious. If you want that do chaos magick and spam sigils ig.>newfag doesn't know thatThings are wonderful. My family easily helps everyone in need now and receives endless abundance in return. Things are better than ever and they continue to improve daily. Everyone who has ever helped me or my family is incredibly blessed and happy to see the immense wealth and endless happiness and success my family now enjoys
I learned a tip from the general. To try to manifest seeing a pink car or orange butterfly that day. I did the pink car multiple times. It works.
>>42163698Any answers? Universal Line is about switching which timeline I’m in, right? So how do I do it?
How does manifestation work? I know how to use it, but what are the physics behind it?
I haven't personally manifested anything with UL (not doing sessions for personal reasons), however I have spoken to people that had results. You are supposed to study it daily and keep commanding every day even if it doesn't show for months (while not concluding that it didn't show, just be busy with stuff so that you dwell on it)You guys are too impatient and quit after a week or two. I also think 10 minute sessions are too long, 1-3 minute sessions are ideal, the longer the sessions are the more you get attached, the more you doubt etc.
>>42164210don't dwell on it*
>>42163640picrel is basically explaining that you are sole commander completely (ie you are 100% in charge there's no higher entity). The reason you are is because perception is all pervasive and indivisible due to the fact that anything in existence has to be perceived. IE a car is not this indivisible "object" because if you had a picture of a car there would be car and not car, the car is just a variation of this indivisible "object". Because this indivisible "universal line" is 100% in everything you can't see it since you would need a place where it isn't 100% there (impossible since its the lowest denominator of anything).The right side of the image is basically saying that its an incomplete (false) truth to conclude that you are part of one thing but have no agency over it because that would imply a separation which is impossible since its the lowest denomination, inseparable, and 100% in everything. For an idea on what it looks like to be 100% in every part of an object a fractal is probably the closest representation since any individual part can represent the whole in its entirety.>>42163842ONE THING is the common denominator of all things and is your perception, even in a void with no time or space ONE THING is still there because something would need to presumably perceive that void. By acknowledging that ONE THING is everywhere and makes up 100% of everything to the point its invisible you can acknowledge that you yourself is ONE THING 100% and thus act as your ONE THING self to change local reality as your own private dream. This is my current understanding but there's stuff like systemic realm beings (ie how UL explains gods and demons and what not, they are "real" but also not one thing so can be effectively ignored).
>>42164171I don't really think there's a current "scientific" explanation of this currently. I could say something something quantum mechanics but that feels like a copout and we just don't know yet. I think UL answers some of the "why" questions decently well but it can go over your head and some of the stuff I still don't really understand (why the 12 attributes are as they are and the stuff about OCB's estate or whatever, 12 bodies, etc.) I saw something called holofractal theory recently which is basically the idea that the universe is mostly empty space and is repeating in a fractal manner (as above (galactic scale) so below (atomic scale)) but I haven't had the time to look into it any further and it might just be bullshit. Something I do find interesting is the brain body connection as I saw a paper about self hypnosis being capable of statistically significantly increasing the breast size of women so it seems like there might be a brain body aspect there. Idk if that leads to full on reality warping like UL or LOA would suggest but still interesting nonetheless, gives credence to the idea of people being able to use visualization to correct bodily issues.>>42164082You read and understand the text so that you know you are 100% OAP (IE since the universal line permeates everything and is indivisible, that means you are 100% of it because of its indivisible nature) and as OAP you simply decide what you want. "Your own private dream, what would you do?"
>>42164319No, perception is a wave, No-thing is beyond that, it's something that's still present without perception/awareness.First wave is Pure Awareness/conscioussness that comes from No-thing bending and Universe unfolds.
>>42162016I agree but I find it difficult to just surrender since I have a hard time to put faith on anything and before any of this I was both a hardcore materialist atheist as well as "blackpilled" so I have a lot of baggage from that i'm trying to deal with. I get some minor successes and ive even got a few bigger things I wanted (trip to japan, small amounts of cash) but there's also a lot of stuff I didn't get and the stuff I did get came in such a way that I'm left wondering "did I do that or was that just random chance/cause and effect"/privilege". I feel like this was much easier for me to do when I was new to the topic since I didn't have as much baggage built up from it. When I first started I had a good amount of minor successes (new item introduced at my college cafeteria, ladder experiment, paperclips at random places) where now I do a sanity check like getting apples or paperclips on the ground or colored cars and what not and they either don't appear or they do after a while. Like a few weeks ago I intended to see a red truck, blue baseball cap, and paperclip. I ofc saw red truck that day because they are everywhere but while I saw some caps that were similar to blue (ie purple, had a blue lid but otherwise different color, etc.). This was really frustrating but eventually 2 or so weeks later I saw some dude in a blue cap then later that evening there was a paperclip under a desk I was sitting at. So I got my return but im still just left wondering if that was "me" or just my attention being focused on those objects + wishful thinking. It just feels dumb continually doing all these small tests and even after getting them I still don't feel any more confident in this stuff. I just want to break the loop and come to a conclusion on if this is real or not and if so then actually get the shit I want, or if not be able to live with it. This has made even small shit like getting a golf ball or something stupid a challenge I think.
>>42164210What I don't understand is if I am OAP 100% why do I need to wait? I know instant results literally materializing is possible but I don't know how to get to that point nor understand why it could take months. I feel like if a return takes months assuming its not for something extremely complex then it is just chance. If I use my OAP status to create a pink car or whatever eventually im going to see a pink car anyways just statistically.I find that being able to thumbs up is nice, in the past I had a problem of trying to fight negative thoughts which became extremely tiring and wasn't enjoyable. Being able to just shrug it off and include it in my command felt like a weight off my shoulder.
>>42164406Nta, but you don't really believe in this, or rather, you haven't proven it to yourself that's why you have low confidence in it and why you're doing these wierd tests. There is zero belief required, everyone that has no results did not prove it to themselves, no exceptions, they think they did but they did not, if you know it's true like when drinking water removes thirst is when "big things" are gonna happen
>>42164418I'm just kind of lost on how to actually prove it once and for all. Intellectually it makes sense to me and ive seen enough evidence both in my own life and from other's anecdotes to believe it, but still it just feels like there is something missing. If I do it again and I don't get anything I don't know if its because I didn't give it enough time, fucked it up somehow via doubts or whatever, or if its just not true at all and there's some other explanation to the world that im missing.
>>42164349So as the OAP, I’d be able to alter certain past decisions as if they had/hadn’t happened, and as a result, alter my timeline since it is infinitely permeable?
>>42164430There is no "intellectually makes sense", you either get it or you don't, if you got it you wouldn't be testing it on something random, you'd go right away into your biggest desire
>>42164433I believe so but keep in mind that you are already 100% OAP, you aren't "becoming" it.
>>42164440but if I can't even get something minor from a test, how can I get a big desire that I likely have even more baggage with?
>>42162016I've never really got what surrendering means. Like I want to not have to go to work next week. Do I just not plan for it? On the Monday do I just stay home and pretend I don't have to? I guess what I'm trying to manifest is the evidence, in the sense that its now this part of the world that's their that I don't need to continue to manifest. But when I don't see it I just keep doing my normal plans because how can I not?
>>42164444Where does the text mention baggage as a hinderance?
>>42164461I more mean the general idea of the vacuum taking everything as your command always including the doubts you have for it working and thus leading to a return of nothing happening because that's basically what you ask for. Maybe I misunderstand the text in this regard since im still a bit new to it. I know you can throw that itself into the vacuum as a nonfactor to getting your return (thumbs up) but i guess I still feel it is problematic.I guess I more mean it would be easier at my current level to sanity test something simple than something i'd really want.
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>>42164441Interesting. Thank you for the advice. Looking forward to further conversing with you in the other timeline, my friend.
What is OAP
Is Manifesting masculine or feminine
>>42161851>UL has the problem of "you weren't believing hard enough" that LOA adjacent metaphysics usually have but taken to a higher level since all you do is continually read until you "know" on a fundamental level.I think you really don't get it. When you "know" something, do you know it "more" or you just simply know it? Like knowing right now that you are reading this reply? When you stand up from a chair, you don't "stand up more", you just simply stand. Once you actually know (which means, stop pretending that you do and going all the way with this) you finally will get why perception doesn't matter, because the presence that you are it's imagining your own world. Your world is your mind, it's you, it's yours and it lies in (You), so you take your stand as the last reference field. I reccomend doing the following experiment until you actually, really, get Who you really are firsthand: https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2loaw1/outside_the_dreaming_game/
>>42164613NTA, but we don't go and manifest as reference field, but as OAP since reference field does not intend or is aware of itself. Out of all things in UL texts, difference between UL/No-thing and OAP is the most confusing to me
>>42164644>NTA, but we don't go and manifest as reference field, but as OAP since reference field does not intend or is aware of itself.This is wrong. You didn't read the text and you're commenting on it over speculation on this site, or sleep on it really bad. OAP is an illussion, an state, an iteration of the dream character you're playing as. But the reference field, the concious aware space that you are, persist. You are THAT. When all the experience, perception senses and thoughts vanishes, the aware space that you are endures in the mists of eternity. From that it's where all things comes from. Krishna it's a mere iteration of the Brahma, Jesus comes from the father and so everything else, that's your true self: The One. When you mistake your-self with something lesser than totality (which you are not) it's where things fall apart, you still think that you are the guy reading this text, when in reality you're the thing underlying everything dreaming under your present perspective. Until you don't get this and accept it, you will not go far with non duality.Actually do the experiment i linked to. You can't think the truth. This cannot be solved in thought. You have to get it, sense it, and acknowledge it, then use it for your ends; but you have to face it.
>>42164672Alright, I'll do the exericise. Any other TG's reading recommendations?
Henlo, not the og 10k anon but I did get 10k from this stuff in Feb, it's autism af though. I prefer other manifesting methods. >>42164488>the general idea of the vacuum taking everything as your command always including the doubts you have for it working and thus leading to a return of nothing happening because that's basically what you ask forNah you basically accept whatever that is as a path to your manifest anyway. You intended for something and that popped into your experience so it's just part of the return and you continue.
>>42164831Hey man, grats for 10k got some questions if you don't mindwhat version of the text did you read? Did you have to study it for long? Did you do 10 minute sessions? How long since the first session for 10k, did 10k come to pass?
>>42164800The mega link someone posted above has a TG document with nice book format that has pretty much all his essential stuff, i reccomend it.
>>42164872>version of textThe cosmic supreme master one, he also had a money specific one that helped me figure it out better, but I can't find its name.>Study timeI had to reread it a few times to get what's actually going on. The money text actually made it click the most.>How longI did 2-3 sessions in january a few days apart. It was focused on just wealth in general. In the time frame afterwards I landed a very high paying job, and a family member sold a home in an impossible market and randomly decided to spread the wealth all around the family giving a few of us relatives 10k just because.
>>42164956Thanks man, that was very helpful. With the money text, you probably meant advanced financial gain with UL. You mentioned you had to accept things as a means to manifest. Is this draining? Like things/thoughts happen all day, so you had to do this acceptance for every single thing that happened?
>>42164975>advanced financial gain with ULYes that's the one.>Accepting thingsJust being there doing the session to cause the thing is enough. Because the OAP version of you is also doing it to cause the thing automatically. I don't really think about it in day to day life. I more see it that my unconscious version of myself will just be lead to it automatically regardless of my actions. So it's quite divided for me, the command session is dedicated.
>>42164975I found my personal notes on this from when I was really learning it, IDK if I wrote these or paraphrased these from somewhere:A time set aside to not require being responsible to the demands or activities of daily life or Systemics in your world. A favorable setting to gain skill in using your Absolute Cause.Your dedicated time is where, not out in your world and not accountable to it, you’realone with your inner nature to decide and use Who you are to command yourUniverse freshly.Ideally, you sit comfortably and close your eyes. Try ten minutes to start, allowing you to settle into favoring the still silence of your ONE Thing Cause. However, any time amidst any activity, even for a few seconds, could be valuable. A place where you won’t be disturbed would be optimal.At this time, you’re acting the way your ONE Thing state acts as cause to acquire whatever you want. Favoring still silence is a key phrase. A dedicated time could be nothing but crazed noise in your mind and body. That’s perfectly fine since your ONE Thing State IS the cause of where your motivation to command came from and is infinitely flexible while taking care of the task at hand.Therefore, doing nothing includes not trying to accomplish some kind of correct practice nor trying to get rid of anything that seems to have a mind of its own.Even being consumed by involuntary daydreaming is a possible experience that is equally correct. When you become aware of it, you’ll automatically return to favoring the still silence of your ONE Thing State because you’ll eventually remember you’re sitting to command with it. This Dedicated Time gets you used to remembering your Absolute Cause. A shit-show going on inside yourself helps you more clearly remember – a Best Friend integrating you, not an enemy. Afterward, you can’t help but take that skill with you out into your outer daily world. It’s a snowball effect.
>>42165007Nice, thanks bro. But you said you dislike it because it's autistic. Why is that?
Also wanted to share some personal notes. Maybe someone here may find my ideas helpful. Not refined, just brainstorming:>Creation, Maintenance, and DissolutionCREATION: Decide firmly what you want, eg. 100k moneyMAINTENANCE: Command for your return to be materialized immediatly, and in the exact way you envision, all ideallyDISSOLUTION: Finalize your session, and live in the end. Enjoy your return. In the command session you asssert that it's true now that your return it's given right there and there, with non-chalant unnatachment, but also with assurance, from a position of power and authority. You stand as OAP to command your universe. The key in the last two step is already being predisposed to obtain the desired result without rationalizing seeming lack or opting for coping in the proof loop; proceeding as planned and getting straight to the result with command. >Fundamental StructureIt's all boils down to presence and intention, the rest is imagined. These two are the fundamental and absolute, while the rest is relative. If you can concieve, think or imagine something, you can assert it as true for you, and experience it, "the world" being a declarative personal dream-world. This means that being aware of intent and one-thing, let us see manifestation for what really is: A personal art where the "hows", the metaphors and models adopted, are preferences from the dreamer, as everything fundamentally "works", but recognizing yourself as one-thing and deliberately intending, as all methods are just different ways to intend.The knowledge of Who is the end of all knowledge. It answers all "hows". >The WorldWhatever if the world it's magical, a private dream, or our own minds, they're all different ways of stating the same thing. Reality is internal.
>>42165086Do you do any type of prep resolve, like those images JP made before a session?
I have no idea how I managed to do it but I manifested my crush liking me back somehow. I studied the LoA thread for weeks a few months ago and somehow it worked even though I didn't feel like I was ever doing it right. Maybe I just got lucky or it happened for some other reason but i'm so happy. Everything worked out as perfect as I could have hoped.
>>42161851>universal line>john paoluccithis whole thing started in early 2000s as a method for gay men to get dick.not joking. JP used to run a website called "DaedalBoyShrine", that provided a protocol for gay men to manifest their "dream boy and big delicious Daedal". that's the origin of universal line.the website's name literally means phallus boy shrine.check the site https://web.archive.org/web/20030501143837/http://www.daedal-boy-shrine.com/the Universal Line PDF found in the MEGA link is full of stories about gay sex. and illustrations of dicks.kek
Damn, nice synchronicity. After the /loa/ thread died, I had this sudden urge to read UL stuff and spent the past two days doing so. Now I come back and there is this thread. Here is something that resonated with me:>User: Are you saying I can just sit there during Dedicated Time and even forget why I’m there, get lost in daydreams and think about other things? And it doesn’t matter? >JP: Let’s keep this personal between you and OCB, and not systemic. You look at OCB’s Attributes and see that He’s infinitely flexible as well as your obedient servant. With that, it’s quite clear He can handle the situation. You, knowing that, IS a command. Yes, it’s too good to be true, according to other sources of information about personal transformation. Don’t blame me if it’s too good to be true. (Smile) It all comes down to knowing Who He is and what He’s up to.Knowing that I don't have to focus so hard on my desire to manifest it is so freeing.
>>42165776AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAwait there is even funnier shit
>>42165778>mom caught us masturbating togetherkek
>>42165779>bareback request >This guy was so hot, but he wanted me to go bareback. He looked at me like he expected me to compromise with good health practice because he was such a hunk.ahahahahahaha, what was JP thinking when he posted these stories.
>>42165784>So how much creative intelligence fills my dream boy and this Daedal? Well, he’s just a chunk of flesh. But a more complete truth is that it expresses a particular form of my creative intelligence. An even more complete truth is that all my creative intelligence is fully represented by it. I won’t confirm this by observing the Daedal in itself. I’ll only confirm it by acknowledging its relationship to WHO I am.AHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAJP bros
>>42165789and his texts and videos are full of illustrations of almost naked underage boys.this nigga fucks kids for sure.there is also the weird octupus post where he almost justifies fucking a kid.
>>42163947>To try to manifest seeing a pink carWhat techniques do you use to do this
I just went to my front door and started looking out the window. I am starring at the street repeating to myself "pink car", after about a minute or so, an elderly woman walks out of her house and is wearing a pink shirt. Then i came to my computer to draft this post. This has to count for something right?
>>42165877Think "I will see a pink car today" in your head. I don't know how to explain. I guess your mind goes into an active mode when you have right intentions or sometimes at random. For example when you think about something deeply or emotionally thoughts can manifest automatically, but you don't need to think in a certain why when you're actively trying to manifest. Because you're already in the right state because your mind knows how to do it. That's just my theory. Either way me simply thinking "I will see a pink car today" works
>>42163622>haven’t you been posting this for literal months dude?imagine if you had that in your subconscious. its just going on and on and, well, on. I think its a neat idea
>>42163698>>42164082time is not real.maybe there should be a FAQ for these things
>>42163897>>42166449question is did it work though. i feel like the constant posting of it means it did not.
>>42166472either it did. and he's sharing his "key" so to speak.or he's insane.I think he's insane.
LOA was the "give a man a fish" part of the memeBut it sounded like you were being taught how to fish
>>42166455So I can just choose which part of the timeline I’m in? Say, I could just wake up in 2025 or 2020 or 2016 if I willed it enough or just assumed I was there?
>>42166455that’s fine, but how do i switch universes? i just want a past decision to be made. i lost some very important things to me and it would be different if i literally clicked one button. so how do i switch to the timeline where i clicked said button??
>>42166832Nta, you've been at this since 2021 right?Often when scenarios are very bad, we front load a shit load of commands. You ordered a shitload of suffering and you haven't experienced it to its end and let it dissipate. Then you've been trying to wizard yourself 1000 different iterations of a paradise life that can't come as it'll counteract the unfinished suffering.Ignoring all of the above to UL your way in requires a huge competence you don't have atm (or you'd be getting it)You have to speedrun the suffering related to that event until the pain dissipates. I'd also speedrun the failed manifests until you release them. You'll know you're done when thinking about the event triggers no shame guilt or fear/anger. Look up releasing pain bodies. That speedruns manifested states into completion. Once all the 4d source stuff is cleared. You can restart this and things will move readily.
>>42167185>You have to speedrun the suffering related to that event until the pain dissipates.You just have to know you are OAP. Since OAP = "Completeness. All possibilities complete.", therefore, this belief is what will lead to continued suffering.
>>42166768bro, you sound crazy. Im already crazy enough, im not talking to you anymore
>>42167221Um akshully that won't work for him. You're incorrect. He's been spamming manifestation forums on this shit for 2+ years. And your suggestion will keep him stuck in this pain for another year. If he could know oap he wouldn't be here so he can't do that method.Also it takes like one meditation session to clear out the backlog, what does he have to lose?
>>42164568One all person i think>>42166644I think it's simplified for the simple man nowadays everyone is aware of too many things it's harder to convince ourselves without a deep explanation. That is why LoA works wonders with females and white collar workers. Schizos, "losers", neets, students, poor people, etc. struggle with the concept anf ultimately give up cause they convinced themselves of their life situation. Took me 1 year and a half to manifest a new phone as a neet i did not buy it, it came from a person i hate though
>>42166832>>42166768i dont know anything about UL thing, but its sounds close to how i understand some ideas i have.my advice, forget any of these ideas, LOA or Ul, that they ever exist. now try to do what you are already trying. if you dont know how, start there. you're on your own.
i dont think you should see your current life as good/bad. i think you should accept it for what it is.>just accept that things are the way they are right now.>it could be because of this and that. you are clearly too dumb to know it.>so just accept.accept. accept. accept.I think this will be part of the reality mechanics im drafting.accept. this is how things are.
>>42167313>namefag calling other people crazyYea, alright dude.
>>42167355>it's harder to convince>ourselvesnot today satanim working towards an idea which does not care about class. just my willingness to suspend my current imagination for a moment>it came from a person i hate thoughGod being funny
>>42167429are you the same anon. i have a course upcoming, how much would you be willing to pay. i dont need money, i just need a show of commitment. or maybe what would you be willing to pay?
>>42167185No, since late 2025. It should be easy to redo less than a year. I’ve read enough testimonials about it, I just need to know exactly how to do it. I’ve suffered enough, i just want it to be over with, ive constantly contemplated the easy way out but it would be much more convenient to reach a certain state during meditation or sleep or astral projection and just move myself backwards on the timeline. Nothing was meant to be this way, so I’m going back.
>>42164433>>42164441ok so instead of becoming “that version of myself” i am and have always been “that version of myself” which will allow me to redo things from that point in time? im a little lost here but overall its sort of making sense, just as long as there’s a universal “redo” button im good
>>42167485You are all versions and experience the one that you are most aware of being.
>>42167496basically, if i am more aware of the “past version” than the present, then i will be in the “past version” as if it were the present and continue on from there?
>>42164406>im still just left wondering if that was "me" or just my attention being focused on those objects + wishful thinking. these are not mutually exclusive and in fact are very necessary for the process.you wouldn’t receive a gift you always wanted from a relative who loves you and say “about fucking time!” you would say “HOLY SHIT THANK YOU, HOW DID YOU KNOW?in other words, why would getting what you want be significant if you weren’t full of happiness and surprise when you finally get it? the disappointment you experience comes from a disagreement you’re having with yourself about the phenomenon’s veracity, and therefore your expectation of disappointment becomes reality, thereby delaying or keeping all alternative, more positive versions at bay. you should be able to let go of the things you want, so you can be truly happy and grateful when they come into your life. anon the magic is in letting go. >It just feels dumb continually doing all these small tests and even after getting them I still don't feel any more confident in this stuff. feeling is the secret. learn to change your feeling and your reality will adjust accordingly. >I just want to break the loop and come to a conclusion on if this is real or not and if so then actually get the shit I want, or if not be able to live with it. the “conclusion” is however you feel when you get what you want. in other words, how would you feel if you had it already?>This has made even small shit like getting a golf ball or something stupid a challenge what he said >>42164644>>42164452>I've never really got what surrendering means.see above>Like I want to not have to go to work next week. Do I just not plan for it?no. you shrug and prepare for work, only to find out with happiness and surprise that your office building exploded from a gas leak. the trick is knowing how you’d feel if you got your desire while also feeling secure despite not having it yet or knowing how you get it.
>>42167502Now you're getting it.
>>42163160There's just not much to talk about. Just read Neville Goddard. Some books do a better job explaining it to different people than others. Law and the promise gives a good general view but focuses on examples to build "faith". Some stuff (especially his older work) is arguably more of an interpretation of the Bible rather than a concisive methodology/ideology. That works better for some (and probably especially for his generation). Ultimately, just read enough Neville and your questions are answered. And when you figure shit out a general full of people who blatantly just haven't read/understood Neville is just irritating. You wouldn't be constantly method hopping or anxiously asking how long something takes to manifest or trying to reinvent the wheel if you had a basic reading comprehension understanding of Neville. It sounds pretentious but it's the truth. Use methods to get to the state where you feel you have it, and persist in that state... That's it! Revision is an interesting topic and, imo, less of a method and more of a different branch entirely - but no one ever really talked about it.I also feel like most people just aren't really capable of doing much with the LoA. It takes a certain kind of person. Ultimately you gotta be capable of being content in your imagination. See value in existing in that state, even if nothing were to change in your 3D reality. It's even rarer in the modern world. In Neville's time you had snail mail, television wasn't even that common until the latter end of his career. Nowadays communication is instant, feedback is instant, dopamine is instant -and you are constantly reminded of how things are in 3D reality. Imagination is acked. How many people get lost in their imagination for hours in the current day? It was relatively common back then. It's not to say you can't train these skills, but will you? And if you do will you persist in a general full of people who don't understand the basic principles? Probably not.
>>42167325I never heard of trauma release being necessary for manifesting. Self concept sure (I am). How would you do a release meditation for that? An explanation would be nice but as i still argue Trauma release isnt really necessary and you can change your expierence (atleast from my expierence) anytime the moment you stop dwelling in it. If states would need to play out first via our assumptions held then most money manifestations would never work for most people on this planet. This is why they say manifestation is instant (in the 4d).
>>42168049I shit you not, if I get an instant manifestation its usually after one of these sessions. Like I will be releasing and mid meditation get texts that lead to the manifest target.It's required to let the old man die in neville terms.We're always manifesting, and everything you create must occur. So when you manifest a bunch of shit it has to happen regardless if you want it or not. You'll have to feel it one way or another. Usually it works one of two ways, your manifests just do not go anywhere and no matter what you do you see no motion. Or you get yoyo effects where your manifestation works short term, then it gets taken away from you.You can just manifest "truama" away and "cancel" it but it's still a conscious releasing session. Or you can just come to terms with it, dredge it up, face it and because you experience it, you cleared it from your manifestation queue. I opt for the meditation release because it's like trying to manifest a drink to appear (manifesting it doesn't matter) vs just going to the store and getting it yourself (just clear it out through mundane methods).
>>42168049>How would you do a release meditation for that?oops forgot this,Think about the thing you want, you'll get bombarded by the not having it. and you just watch it with DETATCHED awareness. You let it rip through your body and trigger emotions and stuff, but you just watch it as a 3rd person observing awareness rather than becoming the person experiencing it. Keep doing stuff mentally to get it riled up, and just observe and it gets weaker and weaker until you can't rile it up anymroe and you don't really care. Example you see some stuff about a loving gf relationship and it triggers you, you just watch the feelings that arise and the pain in your chest, and then do a quick little thought about not having a gf and really lean into it so it pulls it out in all of its fury. But the whole time you just watch it as a detached observer. Eventually it burns itself out, and you wont be able to trigger it any more. It's done, released. You can do it a few times but it's usally not a threat to manifesting after the first or second one.
>>42168142Does this work for physical chronic symptoms? Say I have social anxiety that manifests as chest pounding, anxiety in heart, sweating when around people. How would I manifest that away? It occured ever since I embarassed so much in middle school that I got a panic attack and it still persists 15 years later.
Just being present is literally the most efficient and most flexible "way" to manifest. Nothing else to do and nowhere else to go. Any more is unnecessary if not counterproductive. I am Presence here and now. That's it. That's all there is to All-That-Is. Shit is so cash.
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>>42161851something on my mind regarding this topic is how could I have knowledge of this if it is true? More specifically how could i have my mind changed, be surprised, or read contrasting information to what I know. In the UL texts the example of the earth being flat seems to come up often and it makes me wonder how such a thing could happen if everyone concluded that the earth was flat. Even now people can come to that conclusion but the earth is still round no? Or maybe only on my end it is. How could a world that had a flat earth suddenly become one who has a round earth, did the earth just become round one day because someone decided it and everyone else went along with it?Similarly, if my previous context was that of a materialist world where stuff like this isn't real, how could text like UL exist in my perception at all? I suppose I could just conclude it as not true and thus maintaining the same story and proof but why would it exist in the first place regardless?Another thing I still don't get is the idea that from a far enough point away everything happening is always perfect, see picrel. Theres problem of evil stuff in there like war and rape and what not but ignoring that for now I more mean stuff like after going through a process I think of ways it could have gone better, why wouldn't it have already gone that better perfect path if me as a limited being can seemingly come up with a better alternative (at least based on my local conclusions). I have a hard time buying the whole idea of everything being perfect as it is, including wanting to change it because it makes you unable to have moral calls or anything. Just my thoughts rn.
>>42170307The issue here it's that you still thinking from the perspective of a localized person instead from the place of consciousness containing the experience coming from it's own awareness. There's no other people as such; sure, there's other people as experience, just as you're reading this message that "other person" it's sharing with you, but your actual experience it's OAP reading text on a screen which true precedence you will never directly know, only your direct experience. The greater truth is that there are no people, there's only One-Thing experiencing it's own dream trough different perspectives, so there are no individuals but we're all One-All-Person. Every perspectival subject lives in it's own self contained universe, but that also include everything you can imagine beyond your current "timeline", which means that faraway in alternate instances of the world, there may be "people" that live in a world where the current consensus it's the world being flat, and the world being round being a ridiculous claim (just as when you have fantastic dreams about world with all sort of different properties from our own). There's no problem of evil, when as a matter of fact it's all impersonal experience, just as waves within the ocean, there are no "bad" waves or "good" waves, it's all water. The idea of good and evil it's just an story in your head, a way that humans have to rationalize a false notion of "a little limited me" that they convince of, to treat life as a "problem" to "solve". Knowing Who you truly are, you simply acknowledge your-self, and change your dream to whatever you want without any reason beyond "Because i, one all person, said so". You never were human in the first place, so it's a good idea to stop pretending being one. Besides, it's a good inquiry that in the face of a dream with AI and constant narratives propaganda, how much "evil" you think it's actually currently happening, and which it's all a fabrication of the coverup?
>>42170076How do I do this after losing basically everything I own? It was all tied to my identity, do I just change who I am?
>>42170576What is the difference between Universal Line and OAP? Why is OAP necessary when UL is the only real thing?
I'm going through a rough period of hypochondria, health anxiety and endlessly monitoring my own body to the point of pain and twitching everywhere. I'm going to read through the thread and apply what resonates and hope I can get through this
I think I just had a major breakthrough the other day. I was desperate and asked god for help with my stress and suddenly I started to understand loa. I haven't gotten anything yet though but we'll see
I haven't read everything but here is my understanding of some terms in the material:>Universal Line: The One-Thing that actually exists (Existence itself), yet by only itself it is unaware of its own existence. Just as an eyeball cannot actually see itself—but it can make a concession by seeing its own reflection—UL does something similar by creating an illusory division of itself to serve as its own field of reference (a kind of reflection).>One-All-Person: Personification of UL being aware of itself by its reflection. Seeing itself as One-Thing and its own boundless nature as also All-Things and No-Thing, it realizes that it has no other way to expand (express new ways of being) as is, because it already is/has done everything as an infinite being. The concession is the simulation of expansion. To do that it goes through an illusion of contraction (which is forgetting one is UL) by making another illusory division of a seemingly separated self with partial view of reality and another self with full view that leads the lost one back to remembering.>Localized Realm-Being: (You), a seemingly-separated version of OAP with a partial view of reality, reading this right now. The decision maker.>Cosmic Beau: the aspect of OAP with full view of reality that helps LRB remember the Truth (12 Attributes, pic related) and unconditionally brings things manifest>Lord Krishna: LRB being in perfect harmony with OCB—(You) who has remembered to be OAP and can get anything instantly by simply being aware that (You) only ever exist Here and Now—because that is all there is to Existence.
>>42173187Yes, that's it! Just let God (aka the version of you with full view of reality) do all the work for your manifestation—that is its job, after all. Your job as the partial-view version is literally to just enjoy the present moment.
>>42173588Yeah but when i let him to give me my 2015 vessel, there have been no changes to my body.
>>42161851How is any of this supposed to help with manifesting?
I made a UL folder for future reference:https://mega.nz/folder/v4J3EarT#HzoFLFi1RaQFB_W3Os4GCQ
>>42175478There is more material which explains the terms and analogies. They're very weird; however, once you see past that and understand what JP is getting at, you'll realize that manifesting is actually very simple and elegant at the core. When you understand the mechanics of it, you leave no more room for doubt and just do it—that is, just be present.>>42173627Conclusion is your command. Remember that physical senses only give a partial view of reality, so it doesn't make sense to base one's presence on what's not the full picture. Only Existence is Truth because nonexistence by definition doesn't exist. Just because you see yourself in 2026, doesn't mean you don't exist in 2015. Your experience of reality relies on awareness of being—a choice. When you judge by unwanted appearances, you choose to perpetuate a proof loop of not having/being what you want. Choose to be present in 2015, regardless of what you perceive.
>>42176548Yeah but you can command your desire for a year and still not get it realized, by telling yourself "Existence is full truth". JP in his older texts said, how much you know the materials is judged by the frequency of your returns instead of overcomplicating this in his new stuff
LOA>A nothingburger just flew over my house!UL>gay pedo larperTG>schizo babble word salad nothingburger galoreWhen will you lot show evidence. Show proof? Show returns? Did you throw out scientific method when you entered whatever cult these people peddle?I really don't want to hear anymore theories. JUST SHOW THE FUCKING RETURNS. YOU SHOULD AT LEAST BE A MILLIONAIRE BY NOW.
