If the matrix soul trap is real, then how are we supposed to escape it exactly?The "matrix soul trap" is the belief that we as human souls have somehow been tricked into coming into this universe, which is created by some kind of evil false god, and is ruled over by him and other evil entities who serve him, often referred to as "archons".It seems that this belief is based significantly on Gnosticism and the film The Matrix.Here are youtubers that I know of who have made videos about this topic:https://www.youtube.com/@ForeverConsciousResearch/streamshttps://www.youtube.com/@howdiemickoskitalks/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@TonySayers/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@Rich2150x/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@AkvileSava/videosDoes this belief make any sense really? Where do human souls originate from, and can our Creator not save us? I'd like everyone to give their take and debate with me about this.
>>42162029this is helldeath restarts the loopthe only way out is to live a good lifestay off /b/
>>42162052To be fair, there are people who are enjoying their life here. Not everyone is miserable and suffering and has dealt with misfortune. You couldn't convince those happy people that being a human on earth is hell since that's not their own experience.When you say the only way out is by being a good person (and doing good for others I assume), what led you to believe that?I think certain people might believe that the film Groundhog Day may be some kind of clue what we're supposed to do to stop reincarnating. In that film, Bill Murray's character learns to become a better person and that finally stops the day from repeating. But is simply becoming a "good" person the answer? Good by which standard?
>>42162029You don't have to become a Buddhist, but I recommend learning and understanding the Buddha's teachings of the Dharma and the links of dependent origination and how the condition of a state gives rise to another, like a seed grow when the environmental conditions are present. The seed don't grow unless it's in the ground get water and sunshine. Asking why a seed grow into a plant is the wrong question. Knowing that when the conditions are there, a seed simply grow. There's no evil God or archon forcing the seed to grow. You have to learn to see the conditions to avoid them, to see through the illusion and not be fooled, tempted or persuaded.
>>42162060The youtubers that I referenced in my original post would not agree with this, by the way. They believe that you need to believe in and affirm your "sovereignty", not submitting yourself to any kind of higher power. They claim that humans actually have great power and ability that we're not aware of.It should be noted that none of them really seem to know for sure how to escape this supposed matrix soul trap. Or at least their suggested methods are frankly dubious in my opinion.>>42162068People who believe in the matrix soul trap claim that the whole Buddhist/Hindu karma system doesn't make any sense since if you reincarnate with your memories wiped, how are you supposed to have learned from your past mistakes? Also, it seems a lot of Western Buddhist types are rather ignorant about what true Buddhism is like. Meme related.
>>42162083I couldn't find the image on google, but I'm also reminded of that meme where Walter White looks terrified as he's in a Buddhist painting of hell, with the caption:"Western buddhists when they end up spending millions of years in hell for smoking weed"
>>42162052No good life can be lived in this place.
>>42162112What do you mean by a good life though? As in being a happy and fulfilled person? Or that you can't do good for others and make a positive change in this world, even if it's slight?Having a negative attitude and not being kind and charitable towards others is definitely going to help keep you unhappy and unfulfilled. In a lot of near-death experiences, people learned that the good you do for others really matters.Although in the case of people who believe in the matrix soul trap, it seems they think that being good or bad doesn't actually matter as far as trying to stop reincarnating and escape this universe, since they believe this whole place is a sham.
>>42162083>how are you supposed to have learned from your past mistakes?Well, you remember in the afterlife when you review the life you've lived and since we supposedly choose this life, we know what we will learn. The more important question is, if we're supposed to have a specific "mission" to fulfill, why don't we remember it? It's easy to see why we don't remember it along with everything else, but it seems like a rather inefficient system.Perhaps it doesn't matter if we fail since we can just live another life and this continues forever and time isn't an issue.
Nashville bomber that made a device to see reptilians running the matrix claimed only "high energy events" can remove you from the loop. Its suspected high energy events are explosions.
>>42162727Well hold on, you seem to be unfamiliar with the matrix soul trap claim then? Its believers claim that the whole "fulfilling a mission here on earth" etc. is a con. People are convinced by any means necessary to come back here again and live a whole life. It's supposed to all be for an extraction of an energy that humans generate that is referred to as "loosh".>>42162857How do we know this person wasn't just crazy? Are people supposed to try to die in a massive explosion to escape the matrix? Uh...
>>42162029>If the matrix soul trap is real, then how are we supposed to escape it exactly?By acquiring Gnosis.>>Does this belief make any sense really?Dude, why are you asking such stupid questions? I mean no offense, but does christianity make any sense? People say it does, but once you start to read the bible does it still keep making sense? Yo be the judge. My point is that what is your bases to say when something makes sense of doesn't make sense? Because if you believe in the bible and that makes sense to you then you must realize that the bible doesn't make any sense to a lot of people, you know? So gnosticism is just like any religion is this aspect, ig may make sense to me, but it may not make sense to you, just like christianity does't make sense to me, but it most definitely does to a lot of people here. >>Where do human souls originate from, and can our Creator not save us?Our Creator is the responsible for locking us up in this reality. He is the one responsible for our current lack of freedom and slavement. God most definitely can not sae us because saving us means losing us and losing us means losing subjects that He can boss around and control.
Forgot to put on my name and tripcode.>>42164372But wait, what exactly is Gnosis? You better hurry up getting that "gnosis" because next thing you know you'll die from cardiac arrest tomorrow and you'll still be trapped in the matrix after you die.And you're saying that we were created by the Demiurge, which is what matrix soul trap believers refer to the evil god of this universe as? That's not in line with the belief though. They believe that we come from a prime creator, that can be referred to as Source, and that the false god of this place has us trapped.And yes, I think Christianity definitely can make sense. Our Creator is all-powerful and all-good and we must freely choose Him if we wish to be with Him in His kingdom. The world sucks because of The Fall that happened in the Garden of Eden.
>>42162857>>42164123Thought experiment >"Aliens" are real>The aliens are the ones running the soul farm>Stories of aliens disabling nukes are true>This is in their interest as nukes release massive amounts of souls out of the soul farm at once
>>42164455>You better hurry up getting that "gnosis" because next thing you know you'll die from cardiac arrest tomorrow and you'll still be trapped in the matrix after you die.You can mock me, I don't care, it's alright. I'm comfortable in my skin. Gnosis is knowledge, real knowledge, when you really see the hidden mechanisms operating, that's when you know you have some gnosis, because you are aware of the hidden mechanisms or rituals which life operates on. It is the gnosis that I acquired that allows me to see through the lies of christianity for example. And you are right, I may die tomorrow and not have realized the truth and come back to this lame ass reality and be explored all over again. But I tell you, each time they will have more trouble fooling me. Sooner or later my divine essense will find its way back home. It's pure spiritual physics, you know? They tried to create a closed system using our souls as energy or fuel for the system, but no system is perfect, especially one created by an abomination of a failure. It may take an eternity, but we will find our way back home. I'm feeling each passing day. I don't belong here. This place is not for me. This reality is not for me. It may be for other people, whatever, but it is not for me. I'm feeling it. I'm tired of this place already and even the christian bible says that this is a good thing. If you love this world then this means that you are lost already. You are loving the cage. I don't love this cage. I hate it. I want to get out. So this is a sign that I don't belong here and my soul genuinely wants out of here and they can try to trap me, but I will resist. There's a saying where I live "Water dripping day by day wears the hardest rock away".I don't care how many times they will trap me, all I need is one successfull dead and I'm gone forever. The chances are staking up, my friend. It is inevitable. I will leave this place one day and I will never come back.
>>42164455>And you're saying that we were created by the Demiurge, which is what matrix soul trap believers refer to the evil god of this universe as? That's not in line with the belief though. They believe that we come from a prime creator, that can be referred to as Source, and that the false god of this place has us trapped.Do you realize that nobody here knows for sure how life started, right? People have different theories for the origin of life. The gnostic worldview is one of them. You do realize this? There's the gnostic lore and there's the christian lore. I don't care about the dogmas in both things. The fact is that something created us and put us here to work, fact. This is the fact. I don't care if the gnostics will say that our souls came from The Source and then God or whatever trapped us here in meat suits or if that the christians will say that God created us and gave us a soul. I don't care for those things because there's no way for us to know. What we do know is that wre are here trapped and having to work and we are explored every day of our lifes. Fact. You think I'm an agnostic? I believe in certain agnostics principles, yes. But I'm not agnostic, I don't follow a religion in this sense. Can you understand this? It's irrelevant if we came from the Source of if God created us, the fact is that we are slaves in this matrix and while a lot of people don't realize that they are slaves, we have realized that and now we want our freedom ou at last we want to be autonomous.
>>42164455>And yes, I think Christianity definitely can make sense. Our Creator is all-powerful and all-good and we must freely choose Him if we wish to be with Him in His kingdom. The world sucks because of The Fall that happened in the Garden of Eden.I agree with one thing. The world indeed does suck because of you and because of me, but that's only goes to show that God is the responsible for that because God created us and God created the world so if people did fall from the grace if because God designed to be that way. There's no way around it, God is the ultiamte responsible for mankind. If human beings are such scumbags that says more about God's character than it says about us.
>>42164123I'm aware. I don't have a firm opinion one way or the other.There's a channel dealing with these types of topics that might find interesting.https://youtu.be/GiMRokdxBpEhttps://youtu.be/F6J4O2fHRuI
Not ambiguous,it be Continuousit's all about UsIt's for Reals my manthe Continuous life there is No EndMovin through Life, Movin' through Death.
>>42164476Solution: bomb the entire world with nukes to release all of the trapped souls? Uh...>>42164536Can you at least share some of this elusive Gnosis? Help a brotha out
Brett Stuart continued the Moksha project with another team years later.https://open.spotify.com/episode/5FDN9CFb2JxtGTt2OydKsFWe are not able to liberate the planet ourselves, but there is some sort of throne-like device hidden in North America in a pyramid structure that can integrate all of your previous incarnations, basically making you whole and helping you to "ascend" in some capacity.https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39246565/#q39246749It would also be helpful to research the lectures by Judy King and her books "The Isis Thesis" and "Balls of Fire." You'll go deeper into the rabbit hole about what the ancient Egyptians might have done to avoid the reincarnation cycle, which involves e.coli bacteria and the 45-degree angle and having your soul shoot towards a northern star.Halfway in:https://ia801003.us.archive.org/9/items/moksha_video_20190830/videoplayback.mp4If you die at a 45 degree angle then there is sort of a "safety rope" where other beings will try to come and help you escape the trap, so it seems like there's a way out, without necessarily needing to find that hidden pyramid and use the throne device.The 45-degree angle is what Judy Kay King of the Isis Thesis book alluded to with the ancient Egyptians and having your soul shoot towards a northern star.
>>42162029You literally just say no, its that easy. The only real risk is that moment just after death where you might be a bit disoriented. But once you gain your bearings do nothing but what you want and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, its really that simple. Know you don't want to come back here, tell yourself you're moving to a place away from it, and ignore anyone or anything else that tells you otherwise. Others can't do anything directly to you unless you allow them to, so don't.
>>42162029It's true. It's really messed up how even our parents can't be trusted. My parents encouraged alcohol and smoking. They brainwashed me into thinking I'm unique and different, then I get the edgelord ego. And you wake up when you're 40 and start questioning how the fuck life is like this where your parents are brainwashing you to destroy yourself.And that's where the demons (snakes) come in. The reason our stories never go anywhere is because we're experiencing a fake version of reality where we are being tortured and fed wrong information essentially. You can see this in the media with yheir constant lies and hate. There is a demonic force in the world that wants to make the world worse, to set up conditions so that you cry (generate loosh). I think God and purification and ego death are the only ways out.
>>42167855>Can you at least share some of this elusive Gnosis? Help a brotha outIt's not elusive. You just have to focus your mind and observe reality. Like, when people say that life is an illusion that is more literal than we can ever imagine. Try having this in your mind always. Life is an illusion. You gotta also keep in mind that you have basic or natural instincts. This is key. Once you realize this and you understand what this means then a veil was lifted from your eyes because you will be able to see how "The Club" (the secret societies) use your basic instict against us. Another key thing to keep in mind is that our senses are also used against us. Our senses are limited. We take reality as what we can see, smell, touch, hear or taste. This is an illusion!!! Like, you gotta keep all those things in your mind. Life is a process. I don't know for what end, but we are all being processed here, and like any process this has steps. Like, this is another key. You gotta watch for life rituals. Life itself has rituals like mating, a mother having a child and feeding the child for the fist time, etc, all those thigns are rituals, natural rituals. If you are aware of those rituals then this means you are seeing the hidden mechanisms that life uses to control us. Life, you are looking now behind the curatinm congratulation if you are at this level. But naturally this level sucks because the feeling sucks, but we must realize all those things. Have in mind that you have what the anons here call a "Higher Self", there's a part of you that wants to be autonomous and doesn't want anything to do with the BS that we are forced to live. And realize that there is another part of you that wants to belong, that wants to fit in, it is your genetic code, because we survived by being social, so there's a part of you that it is still linked to the species. You gotta kill that. This is a trap. In ancient times that enabled us to survived, but now "The Club" uses that againt us.
>>42162029the answer is simple, so simple that you would dismiss it
>>42169195I'll say it: everything is the opposite of what you would expect to be the case.This is the Satanic simulation.
>>42162029I know why mr smith. But it dissolved rather quickly
>>42162029This is my last time so give up.
>>42168871>I think God and purification and ego death are the only ways out.A being that allows demons to fuck around is way out?
>>42168871To be honest I think 90% of the "ego" is just projection from society and other people, the other 10% is shit you've absorbed yourself. The ego is a sort of 'shell' that forms over you and keeps you locked and contained here, it has me convinced that the archons or whatever are using that as the primary mechanism because they try to boost your ego by whatever means necessary, almost like a parasite telling you to consume or do something to sustain itself. I think the only way to escape the hell matrix is the complete and utter obliteration of the ego, and I don't mean some bs like "returning to the source" (that's a psyop by higher beings to make you relinquish your autonomy) I mean being completely authentic and true to yourself, who YOU are. Removing the shell and returning to who you actually are, yourself. We are not all one, we are ourselves, even in the higher realms. Once you come to truly realize this you can begin to undo the layer of shit that has been built on top of you, essentially dissolving the ego and revealing your true self underneath, thereby manifesting the key to your salvation. You start seeing through all the bs, all the lies, all the manipulation. You see all the patterns, all the projection, who is caged and who is free, everything starts to make sense. You finally 'know'This is probably what scares our jailers the most, knowing that the ruse is up, since you now know the only hold they had over you was your own ignorance, not some astral prison with magical soul catchers, but a spiritual one, made by you no less. That's truly the worst part, finally knowing this. They don't have you trapped here, they never had. They tricked you into trapping yourself here. You can leave any time you want, you just never knew you could.
>>42162083How to tap into that power tho? Without it, there's no sovereignty.
>>42169195>>42169516nah. the answer is: be rude to the moon. it's the center of the soul recycler for the loosh farm, and it doesn't like being disrespected. let that mf know you're onto it and you hate it, and when you die it will decline to recycle your soul out of spite.
>>42162052Ignore this twat, everyone tells you to live a good life, live a bad one.
It probably boils down to just saying no, desuIf they couldnt force us to take the covid jab, and here we are literal fucking prisoners, how the fuck do you expect anybody to force you to do anything once you die and your soul is actually liberated?If you were able to say no to stuff in this "life", you will probably be fine after death. But do make a game plan, just in case.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw
>>42170827Based>>42162029Just get comfortable Nigga, we long hauling it.
>>42168782>You literally just say no, its that easyIDK, I heard cases of people being forced back or having to fight to be free and losing the battle and ending up back here.
>>42169516This unfortunately, all the 666 and demonic stuff I see proved it, Descartes is right.
>>42162068Thank you
>>42171133descartes was a shitall his philosophy was a cringy attempt to reconcile christ-insanity with the newfound rationalism of the time1/10 wouldn't read again
>>42162029>what is buddhismi hate you retarded fucking zoomers. get the fuck off my website
>>42162029Simulation theory mixed with God hates us? If you are your own avatar in an MMO why do you assume it's a prison and not must see TV?
>>42174125It's really funny how people completely dismiss an entire religion that's dedicated to this topic and they act like random youtuber knows better. Dunning Kruger is just out of control.
>>42162029Unironically stop jerking off.
>>42174813>t. puritancel
