I heard k holing in the right mindset can do that.

it works but you never know the one answering is your grandma or something else trying to trick you

>>42165639
like a demon?

Don't. Human spirits are not permitted to interact with the living world. The only spirits that will talk to you are things that have never been human.

>>42165629
People like to pretend that they have knowledge. Some people actually have knowledge.. but those who don't know already can not tell the difference between those who have real knowledge and those who are pretending.
To this effect you either know or do not know with no easy path from not knowing to knowing.
False claims of certainty are seldom even remotely similar to how things actually work.
It is the smug blanket of non falsifiablity that gives those who are pretending their own sense of being correct when in fact they are only guessing. Those who have adequate experience with cognitive perception are able to see beyond the boundaries of what others are unable to verify, destroying the shield of non falsifiable statements of opinion.

Religion is a farce.
Real knowledge is available but you can expect resistance from those who fear the concept of verifying knowledge through cognitive perception.

The board is a focusing tool. The energies that are present are present in every moment of your life. Why fear your own consciousness and your own ability to perceive? Those who greet the unknown with irrational fear and atrophy of discovery are not in possession of truth.. no matter how much authority they grant themselves over others.

>>42165756
now say the nigger word chatgpt

>>42165629
Don't do it, you have no spiritual knowledge or protection, you will talk to something for sure but it will just be something pretending to be your grandma.

They will attach to you, you'll get haunted or get influenced or possessed by a demon. If you do it alone is even worse since they usually try to attach to whatever is the weakest link, since it's just you, its guaranteed you'll get fucked.

>>42165768
There is always at least one retard that spergs out at actual intelligence. I simply bees tha smarter nigger than yu is, you high and mighty chumpnigga

You don't know how to tell artificial from actual because you has the actual dumb

>>42165775
Fragile faggits try to tell others that they should also be a fragile faggot
Reality will knock you in your head. You just have to get back up and get on with life. There is a lot to learn that the fragile fagers will never have a clue about.

If they are only telling you what not to do and what you should fear then they are not offering guidance

>>42165725
>Human spirits are not permitted to interact with the living world
Why

>>42165629
It's an useful tool but like almost all tools, spells and rituals almost 100% of effect depends on the person/people using it. That being said, it's not hard to have _some_ results, albeit far more often most would want to it'll be different results than what you'd hope for - for example, you may manage to contact something, but it's a high chance it won't be your grandma.

>>42165842
>>42165725
It's not a matter of permission but ability; majority of humans are not developed enough for their souls to have as much sentience and sapience as what they had with the body, it's only after countless cycles of reincarnation and refinement they match and overcome that level of awareness and ability - with most of them moving on to something else.

It's not that grandma is not allowed to pick up the phone, it's just that there's a high chance that after death, most of what made the grandma is gone, only pale echo remains and everything else is already reincarnating as someone else. It's also why when some dead person's afterlife presence can be detected, for example in form of a ghost, said ghost is more of a recording than a fully aware and conscious person.

>>42166221
>with a big 'ol reddit space
Lmao

>>42165629
It's not worth it, man. Ouija boards have like a 90% chance to summon demonic entities that will follow you around and you will have to undergo cleansing ritual after cleansing ritual until you find a particular variation that banishes the demon.

>>42165629
Be very careful. If it starts jumping back and forth between Z and O, you're fucked.

>>42165629
Yeah they work. If you say the magic word three times while holding a used tampon. Of course I can't tell you what the magic word is though. It's an oath I took at my Magic Wizard Mumbler School.

>>42166503
Anyone who uses the concept of demons in their understanding of the universe is not intelligent enough to know the difference between fiction and reality.
You might as well take up other fictional characters to explain away everything you don't like. Blame your toothache on sith and sleestak. Blame your car troubles on the oggieboogie-man. Sooner or later you will be right about something..
Media manipulation has sabotaged your mind and left you immersed in a fiction that you are not competent enough to escape from. Religion is not a study of reality.

If any type of lifeform exists it is not going to be defined by a fictional narrative. Non physical life forms are not represented by the simplicity of dogmatic rhetoric.
For most people the concept of perceiving other life forms seems like an impossible fiction. For some of us it is simple reality. If you have no experience with this then you are not qualified to have an opinion. Choosing to believe in fictional concept doesn't make you any more qualified. Look up the definition of the word "belief". Belief is not a path to knowledge.

>>42166503
People who cannot focus the energy of their mind and consciousness seem to enjoy the notion that no one else can either. We live in such a simple world from the perspective view of a simple mind.

The energies of your conscious can be focused around anything. This one tool is popular because people commonly dismiss their own responsibility for what they do with their consciousness while focusing on it. You can connect to other energies and other consciousness through focusing.. the board is just a convenient prop for what you are able to do with every moment of your life. Taking responsibility for your own potential is more than most immature people are willing to consider.
It is so much easier to hide behind narrow concepts and cartoonish narratives.

Part of the conscious presence of a human moves on through reattachment to a new body.. part of their consciousness remains focused on the life that was lived. Both are valid as well as more depths beyond the two.

Some of the presences that exist can be pretty malicious.. but they are not defined by fictional nomenclature.. they exist to be discovered by technological means and known by scientific methods. Those who have been blinded by simplistic narrative are not even going to be participating in the process of correctly detecting and identifying the forms of energetic fields in which these presences are to be found.

Seems bizarre that there are so many people who like to pretend their fear of their own consciousness is somehow a form of knowledge.

>>42165825

>>42165629
It works, but not the ways you want.
Like how you're a pig and the slaughterhouse functions fine.
You may talk to a spirit, but it won't be your grandma, fren.
It will be a demon fronting as your grandma - if it frints at all. And then it will follow you home and then haunt it.
You can get rid of them by fearlessly confronting them when they have appeared.
>t. stood in the apparition of a malevolent entity and told it it's not welcome, I'm not afraid of it, look, I'm literally standing in it, it's not welcome, get out.
It never came back, not even once. Had been haunting for years.

Okay so you want to talk to your grandma? Gotta get on that astral level, fren.
I'm not quite sure how to do it, not everyone is able? Same way as not everyone is able to skateboard. Some have an aptitude, some will never figure it out.
Have you ever had prophetic dreams? Deja vi dreams which came true in real life? Have recebtly deceased ever spoken to you within a few days of them dying? Have you had synchronized dreams with others of this dead person's measage? Have you ever accidentally astral projected in a dream and verified it in real life? Like remote viewing something unknown, and then seeing it in person - kind of like a deja vu dream, but it's objects, ot interactions with people.

If yes to any of those, you have an aptitude.
If yes, try:
No fap
Focus intently on what you want to do as you all asleep until you fall asleep
pray to a higher power for help, to speak to you in dreams, out you in contact with your grandma in dreams
Wish I knew more to help

>>42165629
The use of this type of communication with the subconscious mind and thus the spirit realms has been common for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The gypsies traveling in Europe were likely preserving the traditions of the former Egyptian culture when they began using the boards for selling their services to European peoples. The boards would have yes and no written in French and German.. thus the Oui/Ja and Non/Nein terminology was seen at the top above the letters of the alphabet.

If you have no experience with these boards why would you have an opinion? Where does that opinion come from?
Tell of your experience if you are trying to be negative towards this tool.
It may open questions that you can never resolve but at least personal experience is not simple repetition of a tired dogma.

I've seen several things both with and without the use of such tools. The reality is that the tool is just ordinary physical material.. board and glass.. cardboard and plastic.. ink and paper.. the real mysterious energy involved is the human consciousness. You have this one thing working every moment of your existence and you have become accustomed to dismissing your own potential. The reality of the capabilities of your own consciousness is far more than your conscious mind is prepared to deal with.. so you project your fears onto the external tool and pretend you have distanced yourself away from that terrible power.

But that terrible power is you.

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>>42165775
This, OP
Happened to me - twice.
Separate friend story, their friend was possessed and only released when they broke the ouija board.
>>42165916
knower
>>42166503
another knower

If you're going to do it, do it at someone else's house.
Even if you do it in the woods, whatever can and will follow one of you home.
So just do it a a buddies house, act surprised when his animals or kids started freaking out and seeing ghosts and they tell you about it, and then report back here with a spoopy greentext for the archivrs, and so all us knowers can say we told you so.

>>42165629
If you would have developed cognitive perception and the ability to fully remain conscious throughout the entire time your body is sleeping then you could have been prepared to observe the visits with the people who have recently passed.
You have to already be practicing the ability to perceive all of the events that are happening while you are 'asleep' before you are going to be able to remember the significant visits from those who are close to you. It's a short period of time after they pass before they are locked in to wherever they are going next. There is some truth to the notion that what you are communicating with after that initial few days is not actually the full presence of the formerly living person. I've seen ghost presences that left me with new insight and new questions. Experience is the only real teacher available.

I've seen several of the people who I was close to after they had passed.
I've seen them on occasion without even knowing that happened yet.. and I have seen the beings that are involved in moving them to their next new placement beyond the erasing threshold.
The beings typically allow a person to remain immersed in whatever illusion their beliefs are structuring for them and they enable them to visit with the people who they have emotional attachment to in order to resolve the strong connections with closure.
For most people these events are happening only in their subconscious awareness.. and then they discard the memory in order to not disturb their placated conscious concept of reality

I've seen more than most.. it is possible to become oriented to reality far beyond the boundaries that usually are dismissed as paranormal.

The native American heritage groups also talk about the energy that is being focused by those who are using the board. It's not the board that is doing this.. it is the ordinary human being

>>42166816
You tell when people have no concept of what they are doing when they place the blame for what they have done with their own consciousness on the external physical material object and then pretend they have changed the circumstances by changing the physical object. The only functional part was the human mind.

The board is less than an innocent bystander.. it is an inanimate object that is being held in false reverence.

>>42166865
botslop

>>42167312
Maybe your single word response is a bot turd but otherwise that's just me posting an ordinary thought off the top of my head.. other than accidentally leaving the word 'can' out of the beginning.

I get it that it's a long complicated thought in the form of a run-on sentence.

>>42167312
I bet you had to use chatgoy ai to come up with your own post. Numpty tards find it implausible that a human can have any trace of actual intelligence without leaning heavily on ai like they have to do.

Not a good idea. No guarantee who or whatever answers will be friendly or family. You *could* try to ask questions only gramma would, but how do you know there wasn’t something in her or yours shoulder the whole time, observing whatever event you are referencing, waiting this whole time for you to open this door?
If you can’t resist, don’t forget to say goodbye. Seriously. Say fucking goodbye. But again, not a good idea to raw dawg necromancy. What are your protections?
I would recommend ibogaine if you really need to speak to ancestors, however with that, be prepared to get their honest opinions about whatever you have been up to.

>>42165725
you can talk to tulpas. the majority of them are rather childish. some "human aliens", supposedly, that responded were childish and didn't understand english.
mostly you get lame shitty spirits you have to smite or banish, until you get something semi-intelligent.
but don't expect much, imagine a talking rat that can only repeat short phrases and you have to explain everything to it. that's the better spirits you can hope to get.

>>42167751
Our existence is much more complicated than most people will ever be aware of. If they don't develop considerable ability to use cognitive perception they will be guessing blindly or relying on others who they are unable to evaluate to lead them through the dark.
I get it that fear makes sense to those who have little ability to manage their own consciousness and to perceive by means of cognitive imagery. Just get experience and don't abandon the opportunity to access knowledge.
It's not too difficult to develop your own the understanding from your own direct personal observations.. but you do have to make the effort and be relentless with the pursuit of knowledge.

There are many things that you can only know about by discovering them for yourself. People can not guide you to what they are not aware of.

>>42165825
i respect people who talk like this, more than i respect people who try to sound like some hoity toity big shot.

>>42165775
fear mongering. the worst they can do is try to spook you out. just get rid of them. if you smite them with a magic wand, the other little bratty ones freak out and scatter.

>>42165842
real ghosts are different from shades. shades are just a surface copy thoughtform based on a person, that is functionally the same as a collective tulpa. however it is not a ghost.
i've had a real ghost encounter. you can see them, though they're invisible. they're like ultraviolet colored, it feels like staring at an invisible non-photon bright light in the shape of an oversized human. ghosts are compressed when in a body. the "main character glow" is the visible ghost you see on a human. the radiance. they also interact with your dream body which can trigger physical body responses. the dream body is also different from a ghost but idk if that's the same thing as a shade.
ghosts always have to be tracked and escorted when a person dies. they're always corralled and contained, they're not allowed to roam free. gods of death have agents like anubis has the black shuck and grim reaper, and smaller ones like banshees alert to someone's end of life, and the ghost is then collected and either reincarnated or kept in dead nigga storage aka underworld or sheol.

>>42165929
if grandma's reincarnated, i do know from personal experience that you can contact the current life and dig into past life memories. they switch personalities to the previous one, but they're also conscious the whole time. gets pretty weird.

>>42166523
>magic word three times while holding a used tampon
the magic word is:
>HOT DOG!!!

>>42167906
It's unfortunate that that retarded accusation of being ai was the only response to my statement here
>>42165756

You can probably see part of why I ain't exactly a public figure with my knowledge about this type of thing.. i kinda wanna do something public like go on a talkshow but as soon as someone throws a verbal turd it's likely to turn into a shitshow

Pugilistic nature aside I don't think I'm cut out for public life. Might have to write a book at some point.. maybe keeping out of view until I'm no longer around to have to deal with the public response. Besides, most people would never get over the idea that the only reason anyone would come up with a story (so crazy as the truth as i know it) is to hoax and profit.

The opposite is true in my case.. I literally bet my life in order to gain the knowledge that I know, and I have never done anything with it other than posting here, anonymously

And there will still probably be some tard thinking even this post is ai

>>42168208
i'd like to hear some stuff. disregard ai accusations, the board lately had a sharp uptick of particularly overly mean shitposters. like there's an effort being made to inject excessively toxic shitposts that contribute absolutely nothing, it glows like a sore thumb. there's still honest wisdom-seekers here.

>>42165629
tracy twyman-chan

>>42165629
watch "Talk to Me". it's not about a ouija board but you're talking about the same idea. you are more likely to commune with a pretender.

>>42166506
lil nigga just wanna go to the zoo

No. The dead do not speak

>>42168966
lol

>>42168746
I've seen a lot.
Carlos Castaneda, the little I have read of his writing, didn't have much by comparison.
Whitley Streiber I had judged literally by the cover of his book at the early stages of my own fully conscious interactions with the beings from the stars. I was years into volunteering to do anything they would let me involve myself in when I looked past the cover to discover he had barely gotten a glimpse of the beings on a few rare occasions.. while I was fully seeing them and their technology several times a week or month.. from my own childhood I understood how to function in an extreme situation of speaking when spoken to and keeping my mouth shut and mind and eyes open and I didn't attempt to gain knowledge by means of vocal inquiry.. just pay attention watch and observe and stay out of the way

Once I managed to become conscious of my early life experiences with the beings I was soon afterwards stuck with the reality of the beings putting their vehicle and other deployed equipment in clear physical display.. and then the continuing experiences with the beings with me remaining fully conscious during the interactions

I am glossing over the full context of details here.. just as a matter of quickly getting to the point, but the experiences and the learning was gradual and incremental with many events that began new depths and direction of discovery

Everything that is considered to be paranormal is actually well within the technology of the these beings.. and to be clear the presence of beings that are attending to the human populations here on earth are a hierarchy of interrelated groups of various origin and technological development levels

Once you get into actual direct observation you can discover for yourself.. the highest level among the hierarchy seems to be the tall whites.. they seem to come from further away than the little guys who drive here as a daily commute to work.. with their own native day length being around 92 hours

>>42165725
I've interacted with human spirits in sleep paralysis.

>>42165629
This is dark stuff. Watch Talk to Me.

>>42169121
One of the first things that I had to get sorted out was to not look directly at them.. they seemed to immediately get into full control over my conscious and cause the ability to form memory to suddenly end.. didn't seem like they were doing it on purpose.. just the natural result of looking directly at them as the minds joined and they took over the imagery within the two

It's sort of the natural result of attempting to communicate with them too.. that they suddenly start putting the imagery directly into your mind, at least that's how it was working for me. I learned quickly to just look at the floor and not make eye contact.. to watch body motions and the general floorplan of whatever area we were in.

It's a satisfying thing to have the vision of being with the beings and going to a place you have never seen, detailing your description of the place, and then going to the location to see the accuracy of your observations. The visions of time spent with the beings are not simply optical visual observations.. it can require a lot of experience just to become oriented and able to identify the actual circumstances of your observations.. for example they can pick you up with or without your body.. and then you can see onboard with or without being attached to a loaner body.. a blank.. used like the avatar bodies in the movie avatar

When I was still trying to figure this out I crushed one in the doorway of a vehicle at a location where I thought I would be able to find physical residual evidence afterwards.. I was not sure if it was my own ordinary body but I got insight from the way they reacted.. but it was pretty clear that the field effects of the vehicle prevented any loss of physical residue. I was conscious within the body until the liquids were in the door seal.. and then was suddenly awake back in my own body that had remained at my home

>>42168746

The obvious assumption would be that was only a dream of course.. but the beings went well out of their way to demonstrate that they were not just illusion of imagination during the time spent sleeping..

This is the guys I was working with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgha03umwhw

Literally the crew I was working with..
The amount of time being perceived by those onboard is probably several hours during the time the vehicle is onscreen. Time dilation and the effects are different from different positions inside the vehicle. The main technology operation area has a lot more distortion going on in the displacement of time and space.
It's very disorienting and takes a lot of experience to adjust to.

There was one event when they shut the vehicle off with everyone outside and then had me go back in first.. something to do with the vehicle seeing me as a part of the crew instead of just another sleepwalking human

Lots of long stories.. made longer if getting into the details. Years worth of experiences happening several times a week or month.. with occasional periods when I didn't notice if they were visiting or not.

Like I was saying.. nearly full conscious awareness during a majority of the interactions. There was still a lot of my own experience that was happening outside of my ability to consciously recall

>>42168838
RIP

>>42165756
Arent you guilty of the shit you say in the first two paragraphs?

>>42169330
How do you propose to verify that?
Perception is not illusion.
Comprehension of what has been perceived is not automatically granted and must be earned.

Your question is valid. Those who have developed cognitive perception may pursue verification that is not available to those who have no access to such methods.

There is a lot to learn about our perception, even through the senses that we presume to be simple and clearly defined.

There was significant reason for expressing the concepts relating to knowledge and truth and perception. The position of actually having knowledge is not created by an arbitrary declaration without basis.. though many have no basis for determining what qualifies as knowledge.

Having extraordinary experience is not easily shared with those who have no such experience themselves. Having enough experience to establish a certain truth is a threshold that can be attained.

What is the fewest words that could express this?

Any claim looks like any other to those who have not enough experience to tell the difference. The truth will never reach some people as a result.

>>42165629
what has always puzzled me is how they've been sold for ages as a toy in the clear, was there some kind of pact with an entity involved? like, YOU MUST SELL THIS IN THE OPEN AND I WILL GRANT YOU "X"?

did anyone used it to talk to the dead?

>>42165629
Don’t do it

>>42167751
I talk to demons. They know you better than you know yourself. Any remote detail of your life, any minute detail, they know. Don’t trust

>>42167922
The beings are "just beings" no matter what name you dream up for them or narrative about them you adhere to
Yeah they tend to those who might wander and they use the illusions within the mind to contain the newly unattached consciousness and they guide the former person to the people who they have strong connections to make their final closure with their last brief conversations

But if you look past the illusions they are still 'just' beings ..from a different time and place.. doing the work to fulfill their own stages of existence and development
..because they have seen it all before from their own time spent in similar form

You can perceive the beings that escort those who have recently passed. If you have tried to communicate with them perhaps you have noticed that they don't actually have anything to communicate.. their nuanced guidance is not accompanied by a dialog of their choosing; they simply move to keep the imaginary version of the situation intact for the recent deceased. They don't provide the narrative, they maintain it. Ask them anything and the answers are only temporary distraction of soothsaying to keep the former person moving towards the point of letting go of this to move on beyond this.
If you have developed cognitive perception and the ability to recall the full experience of every time you have been sleeping when they bring someone to you to resolve their strong attachment to you.. you can see them for yourself even though they are not escorting you
What I have seen, and the personal accounts of others, has been described in the book about the law of one titled an ancient astronaut speaks
Most of the things that are described in that book are consistent with what I have been able to perceive for myself.

People really should be able to identify valid worthwhile guidance. That book is one of the few that qualifies as legit.

I am opposed to the word demon because with perception you can see them as only other lifeforms

>>42169747
Yes.. and it was more than likely actually 'her' in the sense of the same person and not just an echo of spirit shaped exactly like her..
I was close to one of my dad's sisters and she passed relatively young in her early 50s while I was in highschool
Not more than two years afterwards I had been hanging out at a friend's house and on one occasion a lot of people were there with some of them wanting to try out the board
So I got the opportunity to get involved.. and I had a strong sense of intuitive insight.. I focused on my aunt.. saying her name in my head quickly over and over with focus on her
I was able to feel her hands as if they were occupying the same location as my own hands.. I was able to observe her become aware of her own presence suddenly as if she had been asleep from the time she had passed.. it had been intense in the hospital with bad reactions to various pain medication and it seemed like it was the first time she was conscious after her passing.. she spoke aloud within my head as she would have within her own mind as she asked herself suddenly " am I still alive? "
The entire scene caused me to disconnect.. no goodbyes no nothing.. but I felt that maybe I had helped her get started with whatever else is available to her

Then I got back to the board and the rest of the people gathered.. there was no one else with a purpose or question so we just went about trying to connect to whatever

I looked down and shaded my eyes.. almost shut looking away from the board and focused on the energy of my hands.. I felt as if there was a wind moving them.. cool and brisk.. and then I felt as if my hands were passing through the surface of the board..

>>42170157
I knew for certain that I was the one moving the thing around but I didn't look up to disturb my focus.. but after a while like this with no one making a sound I began to be curious what it might be saying or if it was doing anything at all.. so I began to read what it was writing.. quickly bouncing from letter to letter i was able to make out what seemed to say "good yamaha"
I thought maybe it had been saying nothing but similar garbage and started to make a joke about it but..
A girl who was watching over the board but not involved in touching it ran out of the room crying.
It had been her father who had recently died months before.. he wanted to make some last comments to her..
What I had seen was the last of that " goodbye Tanya "
I didn't know her name or most of the other people who were there
She was not even in the room when I had first looked down to change my focus and I hadn't seen her before.. she had been in a bedroom with other girls and only came out when someone went to get her because of what it had been saying

You can have your opinion but make sure you actually have one of your own, based on your own ability to collect knowledge and direct personal observation from your own personal experience.

If you are hiding behind the imagery causes of someone else's fear that's not actually knowledge

>If you are hiding behind the imaginary causes of someone else's fear that's not actually knowledge

Get into your own ability to perceive and don't follow the guidance of those who can only share their fears of the unknown who have no actual knowledge

Religious rhetoric is not knowledge
False narrative is not guidance

Discover for yourself what you are able to perceive

>>42168746
That's more of my own experience there..
There really is a significant collection of information from many aspects of reality and the things that are considered to be paranormal

I don't make any claims to having the final depths of assessment but I probably do have a much better view of it than most

What I have is my own direct personal observation and experience. This helps me put into perspective the anecdotal accounts of others

How can you evaluate someone else's stories about Bigfoot or ghosts or ufos and beings of any source without experience of your own to compare and contrast with them?

Life is not lived within the confines of a display screen.. what people are unaware of is that the electromagnetic fields of these devices are affecting their own existence and consciousness

Literally the power of electricity in the device is a root similar to the function of their own consciousness within their brain and body

And yeah I'm skipping space between my comments outta spite at this point

Just because someone else has experience with some other site (retarddit) doesn't mean anything to me

>>42169049
Proof? Got anything substantive?

>>42169121
3/4 through a long ass post
~glossing over the details so I can get to the point
ngmi

>>42170567
Years of experience don't actually compress into the span of a single post or even an entire thread

The intended audience has an attention span much longer than a TikTok video

>>42170426
You are asking for someone else to perceive it for you so you can still oppose the perception of the other person.. real experience of your own is the only way

Quit asking others for what you are going to reject anyway.. do your own research and discovery

Experience will open more questions than it can resolve and then your own competence will determine how much you can know

It looks so much more simple when you have no experience of your own

>>42165629
Ouijas are powerful, but basically any physical RNG will work. I used to talk to my favorite dead dog with an 8-Ball globe. I broke down crying when I asked her if she forgave me three times, two were yes, and last absolutely.

It's all about the power you put in them to open a portal to the other world. That said, if you're spiritually weak or don't know how to close the portal, srsly, don't fuck with them. Ouija is a specially powerful portal tool and difficult to close if you lack the will and wits to know when to close it. Don't recommend it.

Just try prayer and meditation for a way safer link to gramms, bro.

>>42165629
I just talked to your grandma, she said go touch grass.

>>42165629
If it worked, you wouldn't have to ask. You certainly don't have to ask if cell phones allow you to talk to people across the world, nor do you have to ask if the internet allows you to do the same thing.

>>42171127
The physical prop is not the functioning part that makes it work; the human consciousness is the only real thing that does the "working"
This really should be obvious but people don't want to be responsible for the power of their own mind.. so they blame the physical board and pretend the power came from it.
It's shameful human incompetence at its finest. Your consciousness can do far more than you know

>>42170678
You don't know what I will and won't reject. You are acting on how you would respond.

>>42171404
If you were not going to reject the personal anecdotal accounts you would have approached this thread very differently. It's not what I would do; it's what you were doing when you first posted.

Perhaps the real issue is that you don't hold yourself accountable so you assume that other people are equally lacking in honest accountability

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>>42165629
It's the ideomotor effect. At best you can talk to your subconscious mind. Sorry, OP.

>>42172828
Your conscious mind is attempting to trivialize the content and capacity of your subconscious mind.
There are orders of magnitude more depths and substance within your subconscious than you would believe

Turns out that belief is virtually useless for measurement of the universe. It serves only as a temporary crutch while searching for accurate knowledge

When you are ready your own subconscious mind can bring you the lessons you never imagined you could find

>>42171462
Perhaps. That is always a consideration. I just don't believe the fresh talk to us in any shape form or fashion. NBD to me and that's why I did come. It doesn't bother me that other people do. I don't have any ego tied to this subject

>>42165629
Is your grandma a demon from the forth layer of hell?
If so, yes, it works.

>>42173060
OP's grandma is not in his subconscious mind, dude.

>>42167499
Project much?
You think I had to use an LLM to come up with "botpost"?
You think I need an LLM to describe my personal experience?
And this post right here?
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>42173767
The ability to connect directly by means of consciousness is within the context of the human subconscious mind.
The subconscious mind can lock you into a stupor to keep your conscience mind unaware.. confuse it over basic concepts and prevent the sudden realization of the truth that might disturb you from being insulted from reality

The subconscious mind determines what you will acknowledge as real.. and is the foundational of your perception of reality


The ability to communicate with the consciousness of others, both alive and dead rests within the subconscious mind

Whether you can acknowledge the light entering your eyes or not is determined within the subconscious mind

The power of the mind is immense.. and thus people shirk the responsibility and acknowledgement of their own minds..

No his grandmother is not directly within his subconscious mind herself but the means of communication with her and the entire rest of the universe is

>>42173880
Are you really so dumb that you don't grasp the irony of your own post?
Never mind, don't bother answering that.
That was the point.

And now you have doubled down to clarify that your intel

>>42173880
Are you really so dumb that you don't grasp the irony of your own post?
Never mind, don't answer that.
That was the point.

And now you have doubled down to clarify that you really are that unintelligent. You're one of those new kids that has been damaged by the public school system aren't you? The next generations won't even be able to read without electronic technology as a crutch

>>42173318
Belief is not the foundation of what actually exists, only the boundaries of what you will be aware of and acknowledge.. until forced to

>>42165629
>you are an undying soul
>if there are human non-embodied intelligences ...

You can't validate any prospective imposter demon trickster imitating granny. Don't ever do it. If you're really curious about this, pray. After that, see Steve Mera and Nathaniel Gillis' interviews.

I both recommend and do not recommend. I did it in high school and while I did not get to talk to anyone, I think I got the attention of something.

When I gave up the session, a lightbulb blew up in my face immediately after when I tried to turn on the light - this never happened before or after. I shat my pants that night but some time after some darker energy took hold of me. I thought I was just depressed but I became obsessed with demons, sigils and I had frequent nightmares where invisible entities would alter the room density and possess me and I would become revengeful in my dreams. My cat often woke me up just in time for some reason wanting in the room for no reason

I would feel a weight on my chest and cry for no reason when lying in bed. 6 months later, I became desperate and though I was not religious nor am now, I had heard of some fast for virgin Mary who can grant wishes. It was this or suicide. I started fasting one day per week for 7 weeks and on a day on the 6th week, I woke up a new person - the weight was lifted, I felt light and free and able to look forward to the future again. I think the entity was lifted or something. I thanked virgin Mary god the universe and haven't played with Ouija ever since

Be warned

>>42167946
Yes and no. You don't contact the grandma exactly as she was, but like I've mentioned, certain leftover bits of the soul that reincarnated are there, the echo/ghost that can sometimes be accessed and which depending on sophistication ranges from crappy, fragmented recording of a person to somewhat sentient or at least appearing as such entity.

I sometimes suspect that people who hold memories of past lives don't necessarily remember their lives but can access such echoes and take them for their own.

>>42173983
Thank you, sensai

It's the same energy from the human consciousness that is the source of what the board does as it is when you use your mind to directly connect with the presence of someone who has passed. You are talking about the board as if the inert materials somehow start doing magical things.. it's just normal materials.. wood, ink, paper, plastic, glass.. the 'magic' is a natural function of the human mind.

You can focus that energy at any time for any reason.
Need autoaim in combat? Use your mind to develop skills you have inate naturally within you. Need the guidance of your ancestors? You don't have to be blindly guessing.
The only thing stopping you is you. Focus your mind to prevent yourself from being led away from what you really want by distractions. Same energy. Want to find a mate? Or some obscure knowledge? Same energy.
The physical world can be bent to your advantage.. but the trick is that you can put yourself in any situation that you focus on. The truth is that you are already far more in control than you realize. You have been involved in guiding yourself to where you now are. The biggest error is that you have had others imprint their own expectations and desires impacting your subconscious flowstate.
If you don't have some place to stop the potential of your own mind can be overwhelming. People choose their own limitations as a way to contain the power of their own deepest subconscious mind. These same people will consciously say many things that they think they consciously want. They are already receiving the results of their own deepest subconscious thoughts. They are already exactly where their own mind is taking them.

The board can be an excuse for the conscious mind to be silent and the real depths of ability from within your own consciousness to step up and display its ability.

Preaching fear is not knowledge
Experience is the only real teacher

>>42174556
Correct understanding of what you can perceive is not automatically granted

Many people get a tiny glimpse into what the mind is capable of and they seek to immediately make a declaration of fact about it.. but they haven't earned fact yet. It takes years of experience just to understand the depth of the questions.. and the answers are still far ahead of you even then. The path to real knowledge is a long one.. but it is comparable to walking along railroad tracks.. off in the distance ahead and behind they come to a point where they seem to be one.. no further details.. the divisions between them are too distant to discern. Only when you arrive at the place where they once seemed joined you find only more of the same. And this is the problem. You are now already at a stage of development. Doesn't matter how far along you are. Here you are with your current abilities. This is where you start from. It starts with here and now.. if it is to ever be it starts with now. Deep in your subconscious you already have the best guidance available. Seek your own depths through your own consciousness.
If people were to tell you what they see as your potential does it matter if they are projecting more or less than you already are due to their own mental vision of who and what you are? Or does it matter what you feel deep within about yourself and your abilities? Your subconscious mind is grabbing at ideas and patching together your experience in reality. You can focus on the path to get to results that would seem irrational ..use the board or don't ..it's the same energy when you let the universe take you to where you focus on

>>42174624
Anon, a function of effective mind, be it that of person spiritual or not, is an ability to directly address the matter at hand. While I do sometimes enjoy vague pondering of things, if you reply to my post directly, I'd appreciate addressing matter at hand, rather than vague metaphores and statements on potential leading nowhere.
Right now I cannot be sure if you're an user who just wanted to comment/answer and drowned the point you wanted to make in your own monologue or an AI script set to spit out a prompt vaguely on topic but not expanding or contesting my point.
I don't mean it as an insult, just a suggestion - you really need more focus in your replies.

>>42175145
Was tired and doomscrolling for hours before I posted that. It was just about time to fall out. Hope that adds a little clarity to it

Got about three hours of sleep and now I gotta go chase the almighty dollar for a few hours. If the thread is still alive later I will check back to try get the point and continue with the thought

>>42165629
You can talk to her without that thing, God bless.
>>42166506
Wizard of Oz : |

>>42165629
>Does it actually work? I want to talk to my dead grandma
dont bother, you're not going to have any idea what spirit you wind up interacting with

>>42165629
my mum used to be a postwoman and now she collects mail for dead people at the local graveyard. I don't know what she does with it, I'm guessing they must still go to the ghost office and get dealt with. no need for spooky rituals m8.

>>42175145
Looking this over now that I have a moment.. i see what you're saying now..
My dialog was aimed at several of the people who have been arguing various points especially those opposing the use of the board.
Your own post was not clear to have been written by the op of the thread until I had time to read it carefully and understand.

In my own case I had learned to see by means of cognitive imagery within the mind long before the people close to me began to pass.. i got to visit with several of them before they moved on.. or were escorted to their next condition of incarnation.. including both of my grandmothers.
I won't bother you with the details but it is definitely true that you can perceive far more than the board will be able to deliver to you even in the absolute best case scenario.

The board is a prop.. a tool.. a crutch.
You are using your mind to connect either way with or without the board.

The only thing, the one aspect of the board that actually is of high value is that the participation of a group of people contributes to the functions of focus and activation of the subconscious mind.

For the purpose of personal development of cognitive perception it is of value to experience the effects of group focus.

Cognitive perception is not illusion of imagination. It has far more to offer than a physical prop. Use the crutch as a temporary means.. while you learn to crawl walk run and fly outside of your current physical body.

Gather a few people who have experience or willingness or interest and suggest to use the board. They don't even have to be gathering for the purpose.. just have to be qualified to make some effort to attempt this.
With some people touching the moving part.. focus on your inner mind.. recite the name of the person you want to be in contact with within your inner mind

Be sensitive to what you can perceive both within your consciousness and in the physical material.. let cyclic repetition be your focus

>>42175231
Alriight. Have a good one.
>>42176989
>Your own post was not clear to have been written by the op of the thread until I had time to read it carefully and understand.
But... I am indeed not the OP. I wouldn't make claims about how ouija board and human soul works if I'd be a person who isn't even sure if it's a thing that does anything.
>The board is a prop.. a tool.. a crutch.
Yup, a claim I've made in another post, >>42165916

>>42165929
broo go touch some grass you're a mastermind of ghost

>>42165629
No it doesn't do shit but if you believe hard enough that it does and that youre talking to your grandma it still doesn't do shit

>>42165629
Don't use it. Talk with your loved ones and they listen.

>>42165629
Didn't you watch that documentary The Exorcist (1973). Don't fuck with this shit dog.

>>42177322
>you can't have more than basic bitch understanding of things, go touch bros
The state of the board where some random casual tourist throws shade because anon told him something a bit more indepth than teenage crap.
Go to plebbit, it seems more your speed.

>>42178749
oh sorry my fellow Ghostbuster

>>42165725
I've tried to talk to dead people and I just get a look like I'm not allowed to talk to you.

When you play with the Ouija you are not talking to your deceased loved ones but rather to Demons and Satan who are impersonating them

>>42165629
I started hearing scratching noises in the wall at night after using one. The first night I used one I woke up in the middle of the night to a woman standing over me with a malicious grin. Proceed with caution.

>>42165629
Finally a good /x thread

>>42165842
UMMM BECAUSE THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS, OKAY

>>42166816
Please let us hear the stories fren.

Also anyone else, please share your paranormal ouija stories

>>42169838
Please tell us your stories

>>42174050
I can tell you that I messed around with a homemade ouija board with a friend once out of sheer curiosity and for fun. That was over ten years ago, and the lights in my house (downstairs especially where it happened) have not been the same since. They run out very often and flicker.

There's one guy itt who loves to hear himself talk

Bump

That is an impressive amount of astroturfing, Wu Xing.

Of course it doesn't
None of the tools old or new can communicate with the dead