>>42172012
Why do you insist that God cant manifest as a human?
Also
>religion
>only American Christianity
Grow up a little.

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oh boy another therapy thread

>>42172055
I'd love to grow up.

God can manifest as a human as he is in you and I, alike Shakespeare is in his characters yet his characters are not him.

And in that being said why should I believe that which is fathomable (the human form) can be the ALMIGHTY?
Thats simply NARCISSISTIC projection to aid me in not being fearful of THE ALL.

And I speak on Abrahamic religion as a whole as I reside in the Western World. Eastern spirituality is more palatable for me.

Thankyou for responding I appreciate the mind-tickle

>>42172069
>God can manifest as a human as he is in you and I
So nice of you to give God permission.
Why cant God manifest as a human, fully as Himself?
I understand why a human cant just BE in their story and has to write characters.
But God is unlimited.
So why cant God...just become a human?

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>>42172069
>Eastern spirituality is more palatable for me.
Wait, seriously?
It is SO much more accepted and understood that the Supreme can manifest as a human or any number of ways in Eastern Spirituality.

>>42172077
>>42172082
I am accepting of Gods manifest in everything but why the HECK should anyone with a free-thinking mind believe any spearhead of a religion would be anything other than a CULT LEADER?

That's disregarding the light of the world actually being the Sun.

In the literal context that the world perceives Jesus as such he is no different to Mohammad, but a 'prophet' who wishes to take ALL CREDIT

Why should we question the MAINSTREAM MEDIA narrative but not the MAINSTREAM religious narrative?

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>>42172095
>why
I cant speak to why God want to do anything.
Really, I would suggest there is no external reason to anything God does because nothing has power or influence over God. It is all internal whim.
>anyone with a free-thinking mind believe any spearhead of a religion would be anything other than a CULT LEADER?
Because they see how they live.
Do you know the stipulations for being guru?
>Jesus as such he is no different to Mohammad
Yes? Both are pure souls. I wouldnt say they are the same, though. Mohammed was a pure soul, Lord Jesus is sakti-avesh avatar.
>Why should we question the MAINSTREAM MEDIA narrative but not the MAINSTREAM religious narrative?
No one here has said you shouldnt.
But why cant God manifest as a human? What could possibly stop God?
Lord Rama is the Supreme manifest as the perfect human and king.

>>42172183
Why would you even reference 'Lord Rama' if Brahman is the ultimate, formless, and all-encompassing reality in Hinduism?

Do we really need human manifest so we can feel like we are part of something? it all seems this way... It seems very self centered

>>42172311
>if Brahman is the ultimate, formless, and all-encompassing reality in Hinduism?
Because my branch of hinduism is Personalist, and does not accept the impersonal as the highest manifestation of the Supreme.
Brahman is the aura of God, which does not take precedence and priority over the person.
>Do we really need human manifest
Gita Chapter 12
>1: Arjuna inquired: Which are considered to be more perfect, those who are always properly engaged in Your devotional service or those who worship the impersonal Brahman, the unmanifested?
>2: Bhagavan said: Those who fix their minds on My personal form and are always engaged in worshiping Me with great and transcendental faith are considered by Me to be most perfect.
>3-4: But those who worship the unmanifested, that which lies beyond the perception of the senses, the all-pervading, inconceivable, unchanging, fixed and immovable – the impersonal conception of the Absolute Truth – by controlling the various senses and being equally disposed to everyone, such persons, engaged in the welfare of all, at last achieve Me.
>5: For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progress in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.
But beyond that, it's not about need, it's about love.
Along with this, let me turn the accusation back on you - do we need an impersonal understanding so we can feel like we are all one?

Ultimately - yes. Whether its a symptom of evolution and being a social creature, or whether you understand it as a spiritual thing and how we ARE all one (either through monism or through all being parts of and inseparable from God) - we DO need to feel connected.
That is a major part of what I consider spirituality to be. The deep-seated serenity, determination, and joy that arises from being fully satisfied in knowing who you are, where you are, and what your purpose is. Reconnecting to All.

>>42172384
i appreciate You, someone who is enlightening me on that which i am unaware.

I have read the main story and some after of ''Bhagavad-Gītā As It Is' and still, albeit taken some message of the story been in wonder of what transcends the human being-esque essence of what this story portrays?

Why should i even bother with that which is in my image when i wish to admire much more?

Relating to my childhood and relation to authority figures.. i have never been interested in that which manifests as human,. They have never had dominion over my conscious state

>>42172069
>fathomable
Have you head of yoga? You can unite your body and consciousness with the conscious and body of the entire universe, and the instreaming cosmic energy incarnates as the spirit of your eternal self made flesh.

>>42172095
>CULT LEADER?
But what is even a cult leader? Isn't every soul in on a secret conspiracy between themself and the God? So who are you to say that God isn't working within even the worst cult leader to bring about some change or mission that the soul finds worthy and satisfying?

>>42172069
can I ask your opinion on angels anon.

>>42172492
OP here. Please fire away.
At face value i'm naive to the different concepts of angels though to please be descriptive in your message

>>42172492
At face value i'm naive to the different concepts of angels though so please be descriptive in your message *****

>>42172012
Jesus never claimed to be god. Or even “the son” of god.
The Jews killed him because he taught us that we’re all the sons of god, regardless of their bloodline.
Faith healing isn’t sorcery. It’s fundamentally no different than wishing someone well or a speedy recovery.

>>42172012
You're gonna talk down on my yeshua hamaschiach and not even reference all the times from old and new testament that talks about The Father putting his name in Him so that all may follow Him to salvation? This goes from Genesis to Revelation you unread atheist cunt.

>>42172711
What does unread mean? Does it mean I must read your books to find salvation? Why does God lead me to him without the need of a middle man? (your Yeshua)?

To be a struggling Atheist who needs rules & regulations to believe theirs something more than this material plane... ahhhhh God forgive me

>>42172685
Your god had his own sons to contend with. Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, all the sons of God shouted for joy ". Referring to Job 38:4 when he laid the foundation of earth.
Why would your god need a boy toy? You do know some of his boys came down to earth to take wives and, well, you know what happened next? We got cancelled.

>>42172733
Typical protestant faggotry of not understanding God or going to church to further your understanding in the sacraments
Join an OCIA class and find your salvation dumb fuck

>>42172415
>what transcends the human being-esque essence of what this story portrays?
Not human. Person. The distinction is important. It isnt about looking like a human. It's personality. Formless is there for those that think form is limiting, rather than no form being inherently the most limiting. God is "yes and", not "no."
>when i wish to admire much more?
God is the All-Attractive. If The Supreme Person as some human form isnt the most attractive to you, then fine.
But it isnt about form. It's about personhood. It's about relationship. You at best have a peaceful, noninteractive relationship with the impersonal. At worst it is trying to exploit god as some energy for your use.
If you want a more meaningful, more interactive, more intimate relationship with the supreme, that is only with the Supreme Person.
>authority figures
Most religions focus on God as the domineering father. this is a material conception. "God give me this, give me that."
Many spiritual relationships with God have you in the position of authority. God likes being a child, and served by parents or elders.

And sorry for the pause, I had houseguests.

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I don't follow religions because every single one aggressively tries to misinterpret it all.
Jesus was about as God as anyone else.
The Kingdom of Heaven is literally inside you and everyone else. We're all connected at a microscopic level to the point where the collective unconsciousness can influence reality.
The reason why divide & conquer tactics are so proficient and everywhere in modern society is the people at the top realized this, fear the core principles of reality and God, and spend all their time throwing tantrums about it trying to destroy the power of God so they can rule via "consent" of the masses.
Consent in this context doesn't mean you signing a contract, it means subconsciously giving up and accepting the way things are.
Extremism is punished because it fights back.
The power of God is the power of the collective of humanity coming together and loving in harmony against the demonic influence of those who reject community and desperately want to rule over others.
The reason why Lucifer is called the Prince of hell and the King of the earthly realm is because he is wholly concerned with worldly pleasures and materialism and lacks the spirit necessary to go beyond it.

>>42172183
God can't manifest as a human because a human is too weak of a vessel. How the fuck will a human being contain all that power? Like, how can God manifest himself in human form if the human form is imperfect? Or are human perfects? So if God became a human he would not be God because being a human implies being limited and defective.

>>42173516
Listen to yourself for a second. You sound like you understand what God can and cannot do, what its limits are and how much "power" it has as if it's quantifiable.

>>42172183
>But why cant God manifest as a human? What could possibly stop God?
We can stop God. We can't kill God. But we most definitely can not do what God wants and by doing so we will make God mad and frustrated, you know? God will start to get annoyed and then He will probably lash out and when He does lash out then He can't help Himself but destroy because when we get angry there's this energy that needs to go somewhere, that anger, you know? My point is that while we don't have power to kill God or whatever, to be higher than God or whatever, because God limits all of us, we most definitely can still make Him mad. I mean, why make good happy? If God is happy that doesn't stop human beings from suffering. If God is happy that doesn't stop human beings from suffering. So why make our lives harder by trying to pelase the deity that will still make us suffer if we can fight it and make it angry? It wants our submission, but we can make it frustrated.

>>42173516
>God can't manifest as a human because a human is too weak of a vessel.
God cant make the vessel stronger? What about a fish, or a turtle?
>How the fuck will a human being contain all that power?
How does a human contain human power?
>how can God manifest himself in human form if the human form is imperfect?
God can be imperfect. What stops Him?
>because being a human implies being limited and defective.
I think the difference is that I dont see HUMAN as what causes limited and defective. I see limited as a symptom of US - WE are limited, so any form we are in seems limited. And the material world - material manifestations are imperfect.
>But we most definitely can not do what God wants
How?
What do you think you have control over? This body and mind that are fully products of material energy and thus under its karmic control and not in any way under your power?
>by doing so we will make God mad and frustrated
Why do you think that? Nothing "makes" God. If God wants to be mad and frustrated, He can. But you cant make God mad.
> It wants our submission
More that God knows the part serving the whole has joy, and the part trying to be the whole suffers. It wants us to be joyful, but our decision not to doesnt affect God.
God gave us an entire multiverse to disobey Him and be rebellious.

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>>42172012
>I must praise a human with a human name.
yes
the first few verses of genesis debunk all of your objections to the Christian premise

>Genesis 1:27
>So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Mankind is made in the image of God, so the issue is not that we worship a human, the issue is that we dont live up to the idea of a perfect human, which is manifested in God himself

>>42172753
My god?
I don’t worship my god, bitch.
My god doesn’t want to be worshipped.
My god lives in our hearts.
Even your bitch ass mama and faggy daddy.
I just think Jesus is cool.
I think Bart Simpson is cool too. But I don’t worship him either, faggot.

>>42172012
Jesus Christ wants you to simply accept our Creator, Heavenly Father God, Allah, Yahweh, Christ is a messenger of God, God in the soul and in the flesh.

>>42172077
Why did he have to ascend to Heaven then?

>>42172012
That's one religion tho

>>42174600
You specifically mean Jesus?
In m view, Jesus is a sakti-avesh avatar, which is the infinite power of God imbued into a limited soul like you and I.
So there might indeed be some limitation on that form.
But I dont think he "had to" so much as that was what the divine play ordained for that pasttime.
Other sakti-avesh avatars like Vyasadeva did not.

Read the Lotus Sutra.
Buddha explains that all religious-thought is just the transcendent father of all beings desperately using any skillful method he can to disconnect all beings from the sinful passions and negative emotions.
When you leave reality and realize every single on of you is a fully enlightened mind unfathomably loved by your father, will you really get angry at all this religious confusion.

>>42175474
Another reminder that Christ unironically quotes the lotus sutra multiple times in the gospels, and considering we know it was present in Egypt during Joseph and Marys flight there, it's undeniable that Christ both studied and accepted it's teachings.

>>42172012
I don't think any of the god was human/human prophet religions work. Muslims are constantly butt hurt about everything and have no peace or happiness. Christians break down when anything goes wrong. Jews are neurotic and so on. I've tried prayer and get nothing from it but meditation seems to be calming to me and Buddhists don't see Budha as god or a prophet of god.

>>42172012
> was God
Thats where you are already wrong. The son of god =/= god.

The rest of your argument is just continuation of this error

> And that, given I don't understand that,
Correct

> I must read scripture to understand that
You don’t, you know that already. A single church visit could tell you all you need to know. Looking at the art can be enough.

> Eastern spirituality is more palatable for me.
Probably because it hasn’t been muddied as much by the media.

> that are clearly utilised as a marketing strategy to further divide the people.
You are not so wrong in this regard. The bible has been fucked with for thousand of years, subtly. It has been instrumentalised by a church wich is not the same or representative of the belief itself.

> In the literal context that the world perceives Jesus as such he is no different to Mohammad, but a 'prophet' who wishes to take ALL CREDIT
Mohammed talked about jesus. Anyway, he died for (YOUR) sins. Your sins are forgiven if you repent (feeling bad, promise to change). Wich means no thing in this world has power over you (except God, buts thats a given) wich ultimately frees you. No human institution can control you. You sinned, but you are rogiven if you repent. It is truly the greatest gift ever given to mankind.

Futhermore, if you walk in the spirit all the answers are given to you. For free.

Whats ultimately your problem? Do you fear your human rationality is being eviscerated or threatened by these concepts? Are you a science enjoyer? Nothing bad about that but science only deals with the material world. The material world is not even the other side of the coin, just the shadow of the coin

>>42177474
Given the absence of a father figure i by default have a sceptical perspective on 'authority figures' and those whom are pedastalised through whichever means.

I do go church, it's my place of prayer. I have attended mass in a desperate plea to find understanding but I find myself as isolated as I was external.

I enjoy the art. I am a fan of Renaissance religious imagery and have actually travelled for the intention of enjoying such works.

But I simply can't abide with the masses. I have come across no real clarity in this being an answer aside metaphorical value & good traditional values.

I can't state 'Jesus Christ' is (the son of) God because I do not believe it and I do repent in my own fashion because I am torn apart in my search of finding meaning in this life.

I do hope that THE ALL that is is understanding in my pursuit of understanding. If I was to be selfish I know that which is should be. Because my God I adore & believe to be truly all knowing. Regardless the scripture I choose to follow.

Thankyou for your open minded response i do appreciate your time and effort

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

You need to be as a secular kid believing in Satan Claus your whole life, either trust Christ or perish in the next life.

>>42172903
>not understanding God
The first principle of your cocksucking religion is that it's impossible to understand god, hence your trinitarian bullshit and your empahtic proclamations to just turn your brain off and do what daddy pope tells you. "dude don't worry about it it's just like a mystery bro lmao" what's more, despite what you claim, you can't even have a personal relationship with him which is why you have more intermediaries than hindus have gods. Fuck I hate you catholics so much. your religion is the most retarded out of the big 3 abrahmist cults and yet somehow you have the most hubris out of all of them.

Believe what you want, all this shit is made up by us. Whatever makes you comfortable is real