The unfairness of material life stems from capitalism’s class division. The bourgeoisie own the means of production, while the proletariat own only their labor power. Workers create value through their labor, yet the capitalist extracts surplus value: the difference between what workers produce and what they are paid. This exploitation concentrates wealth in the hands of a few, leaving the majority with only enough to subsist. Material inequality is not accidental but a structural feature of a system where profit is derived from the systematic dispossession and alienation of the working class.

>>42173945
lol

>>42173915
It's not. Just your life.

>>42173915
this evil world favors evil people and evil outcomes

am I like the only motherfucker who notices this

world is under control of hostile entity

karma wheel demon if u like

>>42174216
>world is under control of hostile entity
epistemic impossibility;

if the world is under control by an evil entity, then you coming to know that fact would also be a deception

>>42174223
The average person doesn't think about it, and they don't know about it.
Moreover, the very possibility of such a thing doesn't fit into their lifestyle.
This concept itself is derived from fragments of information that vary in time, delivery methods, and judgments.
Gaining understanding in this area requires as much effort and analysis as analyzing current events, which are limited in terms of access to information.
However, a retrospective and the identification of patterns can provide a true picture of reality.

>>42174238
cont
And the most interesting thing is that I'm not talking about the paranormal, as you might have assumed. I'm talking about the fact that the members of the Families and secret societies are physically real, and they are at the extreme upper limit of what is perceived by logic and "facts"

All you need to do is assume that they believe in what they are is Real, and your battlefield will automatically expand.

>>42173915
The universe wants all perspectives to be experienced.
Regardless of whether humans think an experience is good or bad, the universe itself WANTS that perspective to be experienced
Nature does not care about your feelings.

>>42173945
Shut the fuck up you commie bastard, nobody cares about your failed ideology that caused the suffering and deaths of several tens of millions of human souls.

>>42174214
no nigger you're not the only one

>>42174223
It's control isn't absolute.

>>42174327
absolute faggotry

>>42174327
Universe seems to prefer the perspective of misery.

>>42174223
>he thinks evil doesnt get off on the despair of lifeforms that know they're under its control

>>42174389
Based and truth pilled. Evil loves to rub it in.

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>>42173915
My dong inside Ada Wong. Anyways...
>how do you explain the unfairness of material life?
If consciousness is the fundamental thing underpinning our own existence, then that would make God the main source of all consciousness, and we humans draw our individual consciousness from that same pool of God's consciousness. It is a link of consciousness that we share with God, and God shares with us. That link goes both ways so it also cuts both ways too, for better and for worse.

Because of this, it's possible that God, like us individual humans do, wants to better understand who they are as a conscious agent in this existence by understanding who they are not. And what better way to discover who God is by using us humans as a pointer and a reference for God's own identity.

That may be one of the reasons why the material world that we live in is so unfair, is so separated and divisive, is so constrained and limited, because it's within those unfair parameters that we individual humans experience in our lives that God can discover who they ultimately are as a conscious individual agent by discovering who they are not.

That's why duality exists. Because you need duality to compare and contrast humans and concepts. And that's how God discovers who they are as a conscious agent themselves. By using us humans, the good and the bad, the pretty and the ugly, the strong and the weak, and everything else in-between. That's how God will know himself better, for better or for worse. Now the question is, why? Well, who really knows for sure? That the trillion dollar question.

>>42173915
What material life?

>>42174400
well how long must everyone suffer for "god" to figure this shit out? all it takes is like 30-40 years of human experience to get the gist of things, but "god" needs 900 trillion galaxies worth of people and twice as many years? what a retard

>>42174385
That's true.
And the reason for that is because pain leads to adaptation, growth and learning.
This is how evolution works.
If life was comfortable and you had perfect peace, there would never be any growth.
In order to stimulate growth, there need to be hardships, or something that challenges you.
So the universe actually wants you to be in pain, in order to stimulate adaptation, learning and growth.

This means misery is intertwined with evolution.
You CAN'T evolve without a bit of misery.
It's a harsh world, but that's just how it is.

>>42174400
then he is no god , because the very premise of god is to be all-knowing , if he has to experience in order to understand then he is no god

>>42173915
The endless child sacrifices to demons molded the system to be in favor of people who feed play by the rules of this system and reinforce it, ultimately benefitting the people at the top

>>42174501
NTS but it seems pretty Godly to me but fine there is no "God" only source consciousness.

>>42173915
>karma is not a valid answer.
>he doesn't know the real meaning of it
mundane normie... ngmi

>>42173915
>karma is not a valid answer.
What because you say so?

you never experienced hunger or real pain,op
fuck out of here with your tears

>>42173915
Who told you anything should be fair? Fairness or unfairness doesn't exist, it's just a concept in your head where you wish some stuff didn't happen to you or others, while you have no control over the inputs and outcome. It's like saying "I don't like how things turned out" - well, how do you explain you don't like it?

>what is equilibrium.
yes life is unfair, and if you think about it for more than 5 minutes, you’ll realize that life being unfair for everyone in unpredictable and improbable ways is actually quite fair, overall.
t. libra

>>42173945

No ideology/religion can eliminate luck, and sin.

There are sinners among us. There are the lucky among us.

The creator if any, is not optimizing the universe for our well being. Perhaps there are other more important goals like second law of thermodynamics.

>>42173915
I think currently , their are evil wizards and we are also being victims of our ambition and vage large ideas that allow a lot of this suffering.

the fact that people just accept it completly, doesn't help.

but outside of the evil of the new man , who does seem self inflicted , I have no idea why the evil of the old man is so unfair.

>>42174426
you have a lot of faith to 40 years old.

>>42174381
um yes hello when you use "it's" with an apostrophe, this denotes a contraction, i.e., "it is". I think you meant to use "its" which, while admittedly somewhat of grammatical anomaly, does in fact connote possession. ok

>>42173915
>karma is not a valid answer.
It is, but the understand of karma as some sort of divine punishment and reward system is such a bullshit simplification it indeed become false.

That aside, the unfairness is not exactly unfair. People may be from the standpoint of whatever morality/ethics they operate in relation to. But what happens is a fair response of world to actions of people - the act of, say, punching someone if you have the means is quite fair - you have a working arm, you use it properly to achieve a result so there you have it - you put in effort, you did everything right, your action was effective and so you've managed to punch someone. Now, despite that being fair the person may claim you punching them was unfair - they didn't do anything to deserve it, you've harmed them for no good reason, and they'll be right too.
So again, there's no inherent unfairness, there's just shitloads of people (and more beside) each pushing world in various directions in accordance with their will and sometimes using insufficient means and the result is chaotic mess of various situations, all sensibly having cause and effect - and that is a bit more sensible approach to (an aspect of) karma - even when being unfair vs what we expect.

>>42173915
Jewish view:
God accounts for every deed with justice. However the accounting takes into account (1) past-life, (2) current life, (3) future incarnations, and (4) afterlife/heaven/hell.

There is a verse in the Torah: "HaShem pays his enemies to their face". This is interpreted to mean that people who are going to hell must be repaid in full in this material life, because they will not get any reward in the afterlife.
Surely some of you know some "scum-bag Steve" type guys who scam and lie all day, but do the smallest good deed, and announce it to everyone, and get big immediate rewards for it?
Many times the rewards of this world are spiritual corruption - think how a position of honor can lead a man to great pride and entitlement.

In contrast there are saints praying for hours a day and doing many good deeds in secret. And these people do not care about this current life - indeed they hate their life and hate the world. And rather than rewarding them in the life they hate, the heavens respond by punishing them and increasing their suffering - all so that their reward in the afterlife will be so much greater.

So when you consider the afterlife accounting, things can be quite different from what they seem. People in lowly positions and suffering affliction may be getting great spiritual rewards.

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>>42173915
>karma is not a valid answer.
Correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCd_S2aOkd4

>>42173915
God i wanna sniff Adas sweaty toes in her tights.

>>42173915
We fail to punish breeders. Causing life is a far greater crime than ending it. If people were punished for having children the cycle would end. There would be no population for the rich to exploit, no generational advantage. No children starving because of stupid Africans having a million kids. No boomers making properly unaffordable. Any breeder should lose all wealth and possessions as punishment.

>>42173915
life must distinguish itself to survive
distinguished life must compete to survive
unmediated competition rewards unfair behavior
fully mediated competition would remove the potential for love
love is the transcendent force of mediation that preserves free will
it is the compromise that makes even inherently unfair things have value

>>42175920
>Causing life is a far greater crime than ending it. If people were punished for having children the cycle would end.
You're edgy and silly. The life here would end, but we'd go elsewhere. Refinement through adversity is one of the common things, at least for a period of existence of a soul. You cannot only grow through nice stuff, you also need challenges to overcome. Of course, you could just stay where you are for eons, but usually to get such chance you also have to be sufficiently refined. Granted, there's a lot of crappy exploitation and more suffering than should be needed for growth - in fact enough that it sometimes may stunt it - but the life itself is part of the course of universe, reincarnation etc isn't just random accident.

>>42175920
>Any breeder should lose all wealth and possessions as punishment.
Without new generations propping them up, everyone would lose all of that anyway. Sounds like a shitty deal.

>>42174238
>>42174381
>>42174389
>>42174397
All of those statements also fall under the same epistemic problem. If an evil demon is controlling this reality, then even you doubting it would also be impossible to verify; knowledge becomes impossible without free will

And it would necessitate that there is such thing as a reality which is NOT controlled by a demon (since you're claiming this one is, then you'd have to be at a vantage point by which you're judging those two realities and differentiating them, which makes the original claim impossible)

The Christian paradigm would make more sense logically. Creation is good, we have free will, and knowledge is possible; but the world is also fallen, so ultimate good can't be achieved in here.

It sucks and I hate it, but I think of Christianity in terms of the impossibility of the contrary.

I still hate that the variation in human experience is so large as to put some men in the position of gods and others as tortured slaves in comparison; but I don't know a different answer would make sense.

>>42174214
No it doesn't you are thinking that material wealth is an important value

>>42174566
Because you karma cows are all lying cunts

>>42173915
how is it "unfair"?

By what standard do you measure? Someone else's, some shit you read in a book, some shit you made up in your head, etc?

How do you know the world is "unfair", because you fucking feel that way? Is that it? Because other people do? So you just go along with other people? AGAIN, where the fuck does your standard actually arise from, motherfucker? Do you even fucking know yourself? Do you even fucking care enough about your own stupid fucking ignorant fucking question to actually have any idea what you are actually even asking right now?

FUCK you. Fucking stupid normie niggers like you. Jesus christ I hate you so FUCKING much.

>>42177131
NTA but I wonder how "karma cows" lied to you that you feel that way. I've realized that there is something to karma, it's just that most westerners have a really stupid and shallow understanding of it. >>42175208 is a bit closer to the truth. What is fair from the standpoint of the universe doesn't always track what is fair from the standpoint of our legal of ethics system but at the same time how we see and understand ourselves, our thoughts and actions affects our karma.

>>42173915
God is actually a cunt and jerks off to our suffering

>>42173915
from a purely pragmatic perspective it allows for the most life while accounting for space and balancing
materiality isn't meant to be the endgame, but merely a dessert you allow yourself once in a blue moon
it's only fulfilling when breaking up the mundanity of self-discipline
it can't carry on its own

>>42175217
Interesting theory.

>>42177222
imagine being this mad at a random post on the internet

What god came to you and said your fairness was worth anything?

>>42176797
No one said the evil force is controlling us such that we don't have free will. Divine Sparks with free will trapped by an evil force makes more sense than an omnipotent God that somehow failed to prevent the world from "falling" due to free will.

>>42173915
>x is not a valid answer
These are the words of someone who doesn't really want an answer.

>>42174501
Eh. God is just the name everyone just uses to refer to a higher entity in general and not just the standard religion concept of God.

>>42173945
Fpbp

>>42174400
If consciousness is fundamental then why is it that it only seems to exist in animals that are only recent to earth's history? Shouldn't it exist in other animals that have been here before us?

>>42178429
Get a job, heathen. God doesn't give handouts and he sure as heck doesn't approve of stealing.

>>42178467
>God doesn't give handouts
God doesn't give anything* He is a silent sentinel who watches the suffering of humanity with indifference.

>>42178494
Even more reason to get up and work.

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>>42173915
>How do you explain the unfairness of material life?
The unfairness of bad luck, the unfairness of circuumstances, the unfairness of having bad genes, the unfairness of hearing only psyops, the unfairness of being a body of flesh, the unfairness of being fallible and limited in knowledge, the unfairness of uncertainty itself?

>>42176797
you're so stuck up on this "muh evil ruler makes everyone braindead husks" shtick that youre not even worth wasting more time replying to since you clearly lack the mental capabilities to think beyond the most basic binary logic.

>>42179056
same thing applies to your comment as well. it doesn't matter how you spin it, if your ruler is evil then there's no free will.
an evil source cannot account for why rational norms hold universally and necessarily.

>>42179049
Also, the unfairness of the fact that no catgirls exist in this reality.

>>42179085
They will.

Of course you should strive for justice, but it is alqays subservient to real conditions, finitude, et cetera

Thinkness is rarely ever uniform...
Unfair...
Uneven...
Sloping...
Karma is prodoment...
And valid...
Wipe ya ass...

>>42174501
All-knowing is not the same as all-understanding

>>42173915
>how do you explain the unfairness of material life?
>OH! also the only real answer is not allowed
desu

>>42179049
This image is just everyone on this site. Psychology is such a meme.

>>42173915
Because you touch yourself at night

>>42173945
Based comrade.

>>42173915
Equality is a lie.

Every being will always be inferior or superior to others in comparison. Even if someone lies, cheats, and steals to be successful, it means that they are better at lying, cheating, and stealing than others.

That's it. That's the reason.

>>42173915
The concept of "fairness" requires a level of higher-order construct on the level of a human or higher to exist in order to even contemplate the concept. Whether it actually exists outside of the mind, is another question for another day.
You're asking a question that requires agreeing on its premise of even being something to "explain." What do you see as "unfairness" and where do you see it? How do you personally quantify it?

>>42175920
You are a miserable, worthless wretch who allowed their daddy and mommy issues to become your whole fucking personality. Grow up.

>>42173945
So, if you created a business, work of art, or invention using your own skill, it would be "fair" for me to take it from you by force and give it to others, while you get nothing?

>>42173915
>karma is not a valid answer.
lmao
denying it won't make it go away

>guys, for real this time, tell me what 1+1 is and DON'T say 2, that's not a valid answer

>>42176042
And what is the end-goal of all this 'growth'? You normies always spewing these platitudes about growth, refinement, spiritual evolution, blah blah blah, you never explain WHY it's necessary and just leave it for your listeners to fill in the blank.

Let's be honest here: you people don't actually know if this so-called growth is necessary, and just made it up to cope with the problem of evil because none of you is man enough to face the truth.

>>42173915
Some kind of past life choice, punishment or curse

>>42181504
>>42179264
This

>>42180500
Being better at being evil is, in fact, an inferior quality. It's easy to be evil. It takes skill to survive as a good guy when every demon and their followers are out to kill you.

>>42173915
Well, God is not judging people as the christians like to claim. If life is not fair then that is a signal, rigth? Well, at least it signals that life is not fair, at least it signals that, right? But why? Well, again, one of the reasons may be because there's no God judging us or if there is then this God is not fair or then life is fair, but we think it is not because we don't know the true reality and maybe the people who we see who have a good time while the rest perish is because they did get it. I don't know.

>>42173915
Humanity is a nigger species on the border of abundance and maturity. You wouldn’t give a single fuck about “materialism” as a concept were you born 150 years ago.

Keep everything in perspective, nigga

>>42173915
It's a totally fair lottery system. When you die, there will be another totally equal lottery.

>>42173945
Labour Theory of Value has been debunked. Historical social progress has been debunked. Social equality isn't real.

There is no Karma only Sin Evil people always win because Satan rules the Earth as you say they will get their Karma sooner or later in this life and the next one

>>42175920
People who use the word breeder are failed edgelords from reddit. Get over yourself

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Let me approach it this way:
The world, the mundane, is a realm that binds spirit (soul to matter. The more a soul is attached to the material realm, and to sensory pleasures, stimulations and mundane power, the more the mundane realm rewards this soul for that.

That's why people like
"satanists" and "luciferians” use the media and the science to promote a materialist ideology. They know that it is fake, but it gives the force that controls the mundane realm more power over the souls of the people.

Spiritual people, the "good" ones, allways oppose the mundane world to some degree. They always have a vision of something "higher" and beyond the material universe. That makes them less attached to matter, and more difficult to control, and therefore the world punishes them with difficulties in their lives.

So, who or what is the force that controls the world?
Well, to call it the Demiurge is probably the closest we can get. It's not God and not the devil, but has characteristics of both. It's a powerful but ignorant being, detached from the higher spiritual realm, with a desire to rule over (also ignorant) people.
Every path that leads you to higher wisdom will naturally bring you in conflict with the Demiurge. Not in a personal way, but the Archontic system will try to block you, either with pain or with temptation.

>>42182993
lottery sounds horrifying as fuck.

>>42175008
>The creator if any, is not optimizing the universe for our well being.
Your happiness and fulfillment will require your participation and it is not all riding on a gift from above. This isn't proof of a malicious or indifferent creator. Imagine attempting to fulfill every fleeting impulse we cook up for ourselves.

>>42175920
sorry but it's a brainlet take to claim that ending life all together is better than attempting to corral suffering the world suffers from
such a histrionic overreaction only a woman could utter it in sincerity