For those who use altered states of consciousness as a means of exploring reality and the human condition:What are the most profound insights you had so far?Which methods or tools have proven most valuable in reaching those insights?
>>42174316there's nothing special on the other side of sobriety. you can train yourself to consciously hold deep shit in your head without doing drugs to make yourself special and give yourself stupid experiences to learn from.
>>42174521>there's nothing special on the other side of sobrietyDefine special. We have plenty of evidence that altered states of mind can help with creativity, breaking negative thought patterns and with providing insights related to your internal and external inquiries.I would argue that all of the above provide you something special in some way.>you can train yourself to consciously hold deep shit in your head without doing drugsSure. You can also train to travel from one country to another on foot. Planes just generally make it faster and easier.Same logic applies to using psychedelics to achieve altered states of consciousness.
>>42174605False equivalence. You don’t open unknown psychic channels when you walk across the country opposed to flying.
>>42174957You have zero evidence to support this claim. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.>>42174969>DUDE POLYMERASE CHAIN REACTION>DUDE DNA DOUBLE HELIX STRUCTURE>DUDE THE FOUNDATION FOR ALL OUR MODERN TECHNOLOGY
>>42175007what's funny is silicon valley startup fractions & girls do drugs all the time, but it has never felt like it's for enlightenment. Just frat asses doing drugs to flex status and be "cool" in front of peers. To larp they had an experience so they can look enlightened, instead if actually seeking enlightenment.They are ridiculously shallow all around.Mainly good at getting VC funding via sales pitches and Ivy League connections.Buncha cchodes.Seems like the 60s were a different time.
>>42174316>>42174605had a gf who did ayahusca and all sorts of drugs. Did tarot, but also had her kid go to church. She's all over the place.She is still pretty dumb after all the drugs.Nothing fundamentally change ged abkut her internally that shows externally.
>>42174316Guy would lick a doorhandle if he was told it would give him a psychedelic experience. I wouldn't look up to him, LSD/mushrooms is cool in moderation but he's not really about that.
>>42174316>What are the most profound insights you had so far?That you can do anything in a dream if you believe its possible and work with the energy to accomplish it. You don't have to go along with the way a dream is 'supposed to be', that is a lower dimensional mindset keeping you on a linear track. You can go above and beyond linearity, and become a multidimensional dreamer, capable of exerting your will onto the present moment. The more capable you are at utilizing your dreaming consciousness, the more you can use it while awake as well.>Which methods or tools have proven most valuable in reaching those insights?Lucid dreaming.
>>42174316seeing the subtle parallax of clouds above changed everything man i recommend going to a very specific park in a certain country where they play big-ass wardrums outside and do copious amounts of nothing illegal and staring at clouds that are slightly apart moving in the same direction at slightly different speeds this will unlock the first level good luck don't do drugs
>>42175007>DUDE TECHNOLOGY IS REALYep reddit.
>>42175035I don't think Silicon Valley takes it for enlightenment. The main reason they take it is to increase creativity and we do have a lot scientific evidence to support it that idea. If it actually works or if it's just placebo it's impossible for us to know since there is no control group to compare against it.
>>42175081>da placebo group>da scienterific mathod>da jew science man told me im a monkeygay
Psychedelics are a tool.Whether they have a good or bad effect depends on the context. If anyone takes psychedelics more than ~5 times in their life, it is almost certain they are no longer getting any useful learning, but are just a junky seeking a high. The good use of psychedelics is basically for a person who is atheist, or severely depressed, to have an experience that shows them that they should seek God (by religion not by drugs), love other people, be more empathetic and caring, and take care of their health, and stop acting so selfish. Anything beyond those basic lessons, like "aliens" and "understanding secrets of the universe" is just bullshit drug abuse destroying their brain. People can get deeply fucked up from psychedelic abuse. And most people who already learned the aforementioned lessons dont need to take psychedelics. Psychedelics can show you the door to their being a spiritual reality, but they cannot take you through the door - thats what religion and spirituality does.
>>42175183>Psychedelics are a tool.That's true.>If anyone takes psychedelics more than ~5 times in their life, it is almost certain they are no longer getting any useful learning, but are just a junky seeking a high.That's nonsense.As you JUST said it is a tool and a reasonable person uses the correct tool whenever they needed it.There are several ways psychedelics can be used in a "good use" manner.If you want to just use a small dose do enhance some recreational activity you can easily do that thousands of times.Heroic doses are the ones you don't want to do it all the time but there is also no hard limit to it.Just use it whenever you feel like you can use some help from talking with something that is significantly smarter than you and the people around you.And, no God isn't going to help you the same way.
>>42174316I live with someone who is a psychonaut. None of what they have ever said was as profound as they claim it to be. Never been impressed with a single revelation uttered. And it is just sad watching a human forget how to walk and talk for a while. Pathetic. But he really really believes he is on to something. Can he communicate it in any meaningful way to others? No. But he can proclaim to know all and have “more knowledge than studying for 1000 years” direct quote. have tripped before myself, wow we are all connected wow oh jeez. dumb.
>>42175276>talking with something that is significantly smarter than youYou were talking to yourself while high on drugs. Sorry to break it to you.
>>42175318Never claimed otherwise. Pragmatically there is literally no difference between me saying a substance made my brain so interconnected that I'm having new ideas that I never had before and me figuratively attributing those ideas to the substance itself.
>>42174316>What are the most profound insights you had so far?Shit spins around and shit
I was in Nashville and a homeless guy told me that Acid was poison and he scared me. I was on some MDMA at the time and I was thinking about my relationships by the dock. Why was he so scary and crazy eyed
>>42174316turmeric, ginger, and white pepper all together in a tisane is an excellent psychedelic because you'll get nothing out of them if you're the kind of person trying to chase highs. camellia sinensis, too, because tea only respects the dignified. what will you learn from these things? nothing. but you might remember that you can always see your nose in front of your face, and so you may also remember everything else you thought was too boring to be worth your attention
I took DXM once in 2017 and saw a vision of the covid lockdowns and increasing totalitarianism in the United States and had visions of women selling themselves for jugs of dirty water by boomers in lawn chairs who they would felate in public while militias ran around in F150's. I saw a glimpse of the future in SEA where white and asian kids played amongst the ruins of the previous civilization in a weird mix of pre 20th century tech on par with the pre industrial rev with some holdovers of 21st century technology but there was peace. Every trip I've had regardless of what I've done has been the same message, go the fuck outside and talk to people. I did revert to my 8 yo self once while vomiting every 5 minutes while hyperthermic and saw the world through the eyes of my HS oneitis and was able to forgive people for shit they did to me.It's always been the same message to me, worlds fucked, stop doing unhealthy things, yes your probably a tranny, go outside and make friends/get laid and maybe just maybe if we have time on the way home have a trancendent metaphysical experience
>>42174316Ibogaine and dmtI’ve had life reviews and past life recall from bothMushrooms can do it too but it’s harder to navigate at doses high enough Pan cyans have the least amount of negative side effects for mushroom trips though
>>42174316What a gross face
>>42174316Getting a good nights sleep, not having too much caffeine and doing a keto diet without any of that refined foods.
I mixed amphetamine and diazepam a few times, maybe some Ecstasy and cocaine. And I saw loads of geometric shapes that I could reach out and touch and felt like spiderwebs. It was crazy. I wouldn't have minded trying DMT when I was younger but I am ok now. Still wanna know why everyone sees the same shit though, that stuff is interesting.
>>42174316The only guy I know who did a lot of shrooms completely ruined his brain.This guy looks super trustworthy btw.
>>42175035The latest is micro dosing mushrooms at such a low amount that you don't trip. Honestly I see a lot of positives for most drugs, the classics anyway. In tiny quantities they can be very therapeutic. Problem is a lot of them are moreish and its hard to have impulse control on some drugs.Cocaine - great for having a heart to heart with someone and opening up, also sex but tiny amounts for men. Exctasy makes you loved up and you get deep and meaningful with everyone. Weed makes you think and analyse things deeply and belly laugh at stupid stuff. Tiny amounts of meth make you super productive and you can take in lots of info. Painkillers chill you out more than take pain away. I think the reason a lot of drugs are illegal is because people cannot be trusted not to go into a full blown addiction. Cigs take 50 years to kill you and alcohol seems very dependent on circumstances and mental health but most people can handle it.
>>42174316I really want to die.Dying felt so beautiful once i let go.This human life is a sham
>>42174969>le DUDE WEEEEED meme>when weed wasn't even mentioned This is a giga faggot reply
>>42175290OK squidward
>>42176337DMT always feels too short for me to be able to get anything useful from it.Mushrooms are much better for insights but they can indeed easily overwhelm you, especially if you're mixing with cannabis.
>>42175290 >holier than thouNot as sad and pathetic when as watching a "human" believing a obvious lies coming from people who visited epstein island.So don't pretend that you are better
>>42175104Normalfags are 100% dumb monkeys, they are not sentient and vax is 100% proof
>mod deleted my post to protect the troon redditor >>42174969lol
>>42174316>What are the most profound insights you had so far?That for some reason the human condition finds a lot of pleasure and bliss in destroying itself. Ceasing to be is something people are just drawn to with psychedelics. That state where your mind is fully unwrapped in a vast void or you can no longer percieve your body brings on a sense of contentment that just can't ever be reached. Why do you want to be unable to think, move or even percieve? Because it's europhoric. "Oneness", "ego death" or "the void" is all the same end state where you send your psyche into oblivion.I am sure if you gave anyone who is fried on psychedelics the option to unmake themselves they would, and I don't know if that should be a good thing or not. Fuckers just long to become the vegetable.
>>42179706True but I don't think it's only about finding pleasure in destroying oneself.One could just use deliriants to maximize the destruction of the psyche if that was the goal.It's about being able to rebuild better was it has been destroyed, following the insights you had.It's like resetting an OS and removing all the junk that was slowing down the system.
>>42179420who mentioned any of that? sounds like you gotta go do more drugs to attain that ego death bud
>>42174316I'm looking to try either some LSD or some MDMA this weekend.Which would you recommend for someone who is looking for a better spiritual understanding of himself?Also how long does it take for a standard dose of either to wear off?And should I be weary of any side effects?
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>>42180506It depends. Are you planning to actually take those in a proper environment for the goal of better spiritual understanding of yourself?Either way, if you're not very experienced with those I would recommend starting with LSD.There are a lot of behavioral restrictions you should be aware of if you're taking MDMA but LSD is a lot of forgiven. Check the psychonautwiki.Also, if you can, test your shit. They will sometimes sell NBOMe, which can deadly, as LSD.And there also some cases of Methamphetamine being sold as MDMA or MDMA being contained with Fentanyl.If you can't test it then start slow and avoid redosing.
>>42180506LSD. MDMA is body euphoria. LSD you will bring you Gnosis
>>42180772>le proper environmentWhy is there so much reddit gatekeeping you with niggers? People take LSD, MDMA, cocaine, shrooms, ketamine, get drunk and go to a rave. How is that for a proper environment? Fucking faggot.
>>42180786>>42180772Gotcha, going for the LSD then.Now, one more thing.I'm considering doing shrooms as well, obviously with like 12 hours of difference between the acid and the shrooms.Is it risky?I've already got a place to stay and I just need to learn how to properly store the shrooms till the weekend
>>42175936Yep the demons also made me figure out im a tranny. Many such cases.
>>42180895It's not risky. It's just wasteful.There is a lot of cross-tolerance that happens between LSD and shrooms.So, whatever you use secondly, the effects will be significantly diminished.12 hours is not enough for the cross-tolerance to go away. It needs to be at least 4-5 days.Generally, that's a good thing. It means you will never be stuck in a cycle of short redosing because you'll realize you're just wasting the substances and not getting anything out of it.
>>42180790Trust me. If you don't even know what an ego death is a rave is one of the worst places to first experience it.
>>42174316>What are the most profound insights you had so far?We are like, dude, we are like all connected man and like life is like dude life is like crazy man
>>42181096Ok. That's valid but let us know if you have any deeper insights other than that one.
That life is splendid and nothing truly matters(in the sense that everything matters so much that nothing can really matter), even if you lived only a full moment, something that you can remeber fondly, a smile or hug from a friend, a shitty joke, a good episode from a series, your parents house smell, your mums cooking, a visage from the countryside, anything and everything is so precious, and the luck from experiencing even one of these feelings at any point in ones life means that life s purpose has been achieved, and you can go happily at any moment
>>42175936when i was a weed addict i thought i was trans. when i stopped doing weed i stopped thinking i was trans. but other than that yeah. all the substances ive done have just given me motivation to be healthy and sober and to lead a simple life.
>>42175183Brother they just mess with your brain and just happen to make you happy, sad or scared. It really isnt deeper than that
>>42176337>life review and past life recallInteresting, these are 2 of the arguments in favor of NDEs and the afterlife. I know people already say that its brain DMT being release during death but as far as I know thats false, but if you're not lying then....interesting
>>42180506Take both...the acid first then dose mdma 90 minutes after
>>42181305wont that kill anon
>>42174316Niggas is actually gay as hell nigga.
>>42181225>That life is splendid and nothing truly matters(in the sense that everything matters so much that nothing can really matter)I came to this conclusion while tripping balls on acid while watching Rick and Morty
>>42182404Nah it's a candy flip. Will only kill ya if your pingaz were cut with fent
>>42174316The guy in the OP pic looks so jewish I instinctively checked if my foreskin is still there. Also suddenly I hear bombs falling in the arab neighborhood of my city. I can't take psychedelics under these circumstances. Get that jew out of here, he's killing the vibe
>>42174316The ego is what separates us from animals.Experiencing ego death is interesting, but made me appreciate the ego is what makes us unique.
>>42183269>The guy in the OP pic looks so jewishHe is. His dad is Errol Morris, who is a Jewish filmmaker.I watched some of Hamilton Morris' work when I was a druggie but I always thought he was a bit retarded
Holy fuck. Unpatched tech: ingesting MAOIs before taking mushrooms.I've used mushrooms thousands of times before with this it does feel like I'm stuck on peak mushroom experience.
Dunno, I forgot most of them so I can't really say if they had a "profound" effect on my lifeanyway>be depressed N33t>do shrooms every 2 weeks>see life in a very black and white manner, challange myself to just end it since I have nothing but nihilism going on>sure.png>set a date like a pussy>before date a war breaks out in ukraine>figure this is gods way of challangeing me>figure if I sell everything, volunteer over there and survive I can write a book about it. god will bless the process, all I have to do is follow the vibe>FF>???>write the book on shrooms too>it turns out great, profit>no longer want to kms as I have socially ascended on a completely different levelthanks shrooms
>>42174316I found this guy to be profoundly condescending with how he voices his perspectives despite dozens of different drugs hes taken. Im glad he put in the work but no medal awarded.
>>42174316I've tried LSD, Shrooms and DMT but never mixed them.All i can say is the usage of them doesn't magically give you powers or knowledge you don't already know. It shifts your perspective for a time and then you come back with that new found perspective and it will just be simple things met with more understanding than before. Only the first few times taking psychs for me (DMT only twice and both times broke through without realizing wtf was happening until only after the fact) i found were the most impactful and meaningful and all the rest afterward turned into mindless unbridled fun (literally).Try it OP but only in a good mind space. Respect them and they will respect you.
>>42174316>Which methods or tools have proven most valuable in reaching those insights?
dxm is probably one of the funnest substancesdmt is probably the most incredibly awesome thing its possible to experience as a humansalvia is good if you're serious about exploring alternate realities, although in no sense can be considered fun or enjoyabledon't take anything too seriously, each substance is essentially access to a pocket reality that doesn't have much bearing on sober-reality. try to keep this in mind both during and after the trip
>>42174316>What are the most profound insights you had so far?The gods gave us two hemispheres for a reason, do not forget yourself or your reason when "exploring". There are no easy answers to something that is infinitely complex, you will only become more confused and lost if you attempt to understand it. Pursuit of "ego death" is just as shallow as egomaxxing, with worse effects. >Which methods or tools have proven most valuable in reaching those insights?unironically being sober and meditating. If people are inclined to see what the fuss is about then Id recommend 100mcg LSD while in nature, and a full day after to reflect. DMT is overkill and mushrooms are too chaotict. went overboard and got lost on the other side for a few months
>>42186209I tried a few sober meditation techniques but nothing has quite worked for me yet.Psychedelics put me in a perfect meditative state but I wish I could achieve the same mental state without having to rely on them.
I've only tripped a few times like 15 years ago but feel like it had significantly positive long term effects. Shrooms at like 15 which made me realise that the trauma in my life wasn't my fault, which at the time was massive. And one huge LSD trip which was actually objectively terrible because my friend freaked out, but opened my eyes to how there is much more going on than just the "rational scientific" reality that we are indoctrinated into. One of the core reasons I actually realised this was because I was at his house while tripping and as soon as we started tripping hard, hours before he actually freaked out, I could see how messed up he was in a way I hadn't before. Like I could see his fragile ego, his idolatry, his family's false self, clear as day. As if they were physical structures. Then during the peak of that trip all those things collided inside of him and he started smashing shit up.
>>42186422>I wish I could achieve the same mental stateThe mental states induced by psychs are not helpful for effective mediation because your brain is not actually operating cohesively during them. Its like trying to balance on your toes when you only have one foot. Psychs can be used to open up your subconscious so you can see it and be able to use that knowledge during normal mediation (and life in general), but do not think that your brain is "limited" in anyway without them.
LSD was my first time. I spent the first few hours nervously sweating and trying to explain and document the meaningfulness of my experience. I couldn't get a sentence on paper without being blasted into a new stream of consciousness flow state. For this reason I think it is hard to take anything back, or to even interpret what is brought back through the sober lense. You can only grasp onto feelings, which are best sensed in a regressed state of 'presentness', without intent or plan. Being in the now.That said, I felt like my awareness of the living quality of all things came into focus, the world felt sacred like a temple and my being there and crushing grass and bugs underfoot, eating vegetables and meat so on and so on, was an affront to it's sacredness. Realizing that I too was part of all things and part of the miasmic flow of matter in the universe, that all energy is in a constant state of transfer, helped me let go of my guilt. I realized post trip that this was be breaking down my sense of ego self.Again, I can only bring back the feeling of this into sobriety and try my best to be conscious of my part in all things. Unchecked ego is the most enticing narcotic in the world.
>>42174316I am a conduit. A tool of energy. The one flows through me and I must distribute the energy. Be one that gives, contributes, interacts, enhances, brings light if you will. Spreads the energy. Don’t hoard it. That was my message from my one and only dmt trip.
>>42174316>What are the most profound insights you had so far?I've done shrooms twice. Only psychedelic substance I've ever used. The second time I heard and saw a miniature Jesus statue say "I am the Messiah, coo coo kachoo". /srslmao
I've tried every drug since I was a teenager and every single one I've regretted taking because I'm autistic and overthink things and I think some people are just physically unfit to take drugs because everytime I've been high I just want to get sober and I'm already counting down the trip because I'm scared of never coming back to a sober state of mind.I think I'm just very lonely and being out mentally in the void of space where theres no one but yourself scares me and I want to "go back home" to where I was sober because I miss my family who are the only ones who bring me comfort because they're the ones who have shown me love all my life. Maybe someday I'll meet someone who actually cares about me and I might feel comfortable trying drugs with them but I'm just afraid when I'm high and I want someone to hold me
>>42174316I started getting into shrooms last fall after a buddy of mine started hooking up with a girl who was super into them. Here’s my experience,I started with Road Trip brand mushroom edibles. It’s worth noting that these don’t actually have shrooms/DMT in them. They use a synthetic DMT analogue called metocin. Metocin is very similar to DMT structurally, but this slight difference makes ALL the difference. Metocin gives you wavy visuals and a wonderful body high.Eventually, I decided the smartest thing to do would be skipping the middle man and finding the chemical itself. Eventually I was able to get my hand on some pills. The guy making the Metocin pills also sold actual DMT pills; naturally, I ordered some DMT pills alongside some pills that are a 2/1 ratio of Metocin and DMT.I took a few Metocin/DMT pills in January while doing a double feature of The Matrix and Return of the King at my local cinema. BIG MISTAKE. I knew DMT was different from Metocin, but I wasn’t prepared for how different it was. But that’s a whole side tangent for how that experience was. Let’s move on to when I took a heroic dose of DMT pills.I wanted to meet God, the machine elves, anything. So I started fine. I took five DMT pills and watched a movie. A few hours later and I’m not feeling it much. Stupidly, I took five more and threw in two Metocin/DMT pills just to get some more “oomph”. I dicked around a little bit and then it started happening. I spent about four hours having my soul raped.
>>42187398It was like I had glitched out of reality. I couldn’t tell if my eyes were opened or closed. If I moved around my house with all the lights off, it was like I could still see everything. It could be pitch black and I was seeing things as if the lights were still on. Naturally, I went to lie down and ride it out. I remember lying on my bed and whimpering, “help me” over and over. I experienced dying again and again. All different kinds of ways. It was a nightmare. It was horrifying and I couldn’t tell what was real and what wasn’t. All I could do was lie there and tell myself it would be over soon.Eventually it was. There’s only one way I can think to describe how it felt once I returned back to reality: Imagine you were in The Matrix and suddenly had your entire reality shattered and shown the truth beyond what you’ve always known, only to then immediately be thrust back into that mundane world surrounded by nobody who knows anything is wrong.
>>42175183>If anyone takes psychedelics more than ~5 times in their life, it is almost certain they are no longer getting any useful learning, but are just a junky seeking a high.sure, if we're talking about heroic doses.what about microdosing then? or like a 100 ug trip? i'd say 100 ug trips are harmless, it's kind of like having a six pack with your buds.
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>>42187398>>42187402>DUDE WEED
>>42187402I think that's probably the most dangerous effect of psychedelics.Feeling like you got a peak behind the curtains really does make it borderline impossible to go back to mundane life if you're curious and think this experiences can actually teach you something you wouldn't be able to learn it in any other way.
