>>42177028
I mean you're right. God is a sadomasochistic retard, at least if he's omnipotent. Not much else to say about it.

But even in a religious context it makes no sense because muslims and christians believe that dead babies go to paradise which proves that you don't need to use your ""free will"" on Earth to have a genuine and good outcome.

>>42177028
>god created the world
That’s where your logic is flawed. The Abrahamic god isn’t the true god and the beings who created this planet are running a science experiment. Simple as

>>42177044
And what's the goal of this experiment?
Mining gold for the annunaki?

Can't they at least remove these quirks from humanity?

>>42177044
That would be Enlil. Also known as yahweh.

>>42177125
The 7 tablets of the Enuma Elish were scribed in clay tablets 4000 years before the old testament was written on paper. The writers changed the narrative to suit their needs.

>>42177125
Mining minerals, genetic material, food and loosh source
The answer is multifaceted

>>42177028
Because suffering builds character, as written in the holy book o algo (never read them)

>>42177028
be a god then, and set things right.
it the one thing they fear, they people will say no.

>>42177028
>mehhhh you can’t use free will!!!!
Free will solves this lol

>>42177318
This, but unironically.
Child abuse is the god maker.
Ascend, or perish.

>>42177028
Because there's nothing inherently wrong with it. You only think it's bad because society tells you it is.

>>42177028
>>le free will
Not free will - you have that in the spiritual realm as well.
For separation. For rebellion. For independence from God.
Why can there be pedophiles here? Because here is the place for such atrocities and selfishness.
>Where's the purpose behind that?
the only purpose in the material realm is to understand that there is no point and to get out.

Im too overworked to explain it fuck these retards who want you to do ALL thinking for them

>>42177028
>rejecting the true answer off the bat because you can't accept its implications about God's nature

Skill issue. This is what lovecraft actually meant by madness induced by "divine" beings.

>>42177028
It’s because 1/3rd the angels left heaven

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>>42177028
better question is why did god design the average penis so small that men can only feel confident fantasizing about little tiny kid pussy?

shoulda made them like 12" so we wouldn't be dealing with this shit

>>42177028

https://youtu.be/A6BWUw55SVQ?si=-nigger

you've literally not even thought about the question

>>42177340
Sticking your penis inside a new fresh born baby is not bad? lol

Which god?

>>42177764
You joke but there was a study that did confirm convicted child rapists tend to have smaller cocks

>>42179257
>You joke
No, I don't.
We all know the reason why any man is attracted to little kids, let's not pretend.

>>42177028
Your sense of morality was a gift from God, and so was our transition from beings with no rights to defining them for ourselves. If we were created without such a history we could not be free, so yes, le free will. God allows us to grow from what we once were, or even to regress and encode those behaviors as socially acceptable like in Islam. That choice is the choice of good and evil, of God and Satan.

>If I was God id forcibly rewrite all of humanity on a mental and genetic level
That sounds more like a Satan thing, the enacted role of the rebellious accuser.

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Pedophiles and cannibals are not human beings. They are "others" dressed up in our skins.

The answer is still free will, whether you like it or not.

>>42177722
Where did they go?

>>42177028
Because the soul is a lot older than the body, and that goes for kids too. The 'child' can't consent, but the soul that chose that life, knew what it was getting into.

>>42179435
That's a slippery slope of an explanation. Do children lose their soul that can consent after being born, or do they lose the ability to consent with their soul for some reason? Any other explanation runs against our laws of consent.

So ultimately why allow suffering?
Because you can extrapolate all this onto the Animal Kingdom/Mother Nature
>And we all know there's no mercy there.
Why is it we excuse the animals for their "evil" nature but not our own?
Because we're conscious.
We're forced to see into the mirror and see beyond that.

Would it have been better if we never gain such awareness?
There is a merit to being aware of our current horror that is consciousness.
Its what led us up to this point so far.

>Hurr durr why can't everything just already be perfect and no suffering exists anyway?
If you were an intelligent omnipotent being, wouldn't this already be what you'd try anyway?
Have you ever considered that maybe such a thing is "unnatural" or "impossible"? At least for the time being?

You can't just bake a cake out of nothing.
You need the resources and the process to formulate such a reality.

>>42177028
>infinite things
>hung up only on a few memes
why is this board just so full of banal trollposts?

>>42180120
>You can't just bake a cake out of nothing.
But you can create an entire universe?
Why cant God bake a cake out of nothing?

>>42177028
Spiritual warfare, this world is full of devil's who possess and oppress, stop looking at this world from a carnal standpoint and realise it's run by the adversery satan, Adam wanted to know the truth of good and evil and here we are, just be greatful God stopped making us live for 900 years and that the longsuffering really isn't that long in the grand scheme of things.

>>42177028
Why God created men with tiny dick and others with one of the size of a arm?

>>42177028
>So with that out the way, WHY does God allow babies to get raped and eaten?
Because the body is a vehicule, the pilot or the soul is immortal.

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>>42177028

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJ85XExZtQ

just my retarded take on it but

i feel like we are in some big rendering of infinity

the word "omnipotent" is poping up a lot in this thread

idk how to explain it but i think being a part of knowing everything has to include how to not know things as well

this has something to do in the holy trinity kinda area

but like

even though it says the god knows everything i feel like this is all happening right now because of something that maybe unknown to him or maybe he does know and hopes he is wrong himself im not sure

idk if thats retarded or i unlocked the secrets of the universe

>>42177028
because god isn't "good' or "bad". He is both at the same time. Also, you need a contrast to understand what is light and what is dark.

>>42180947
Its a metaphor to get the point across that even God has to follow the laws of nature (even if he is Nature himself).
You can't just skip to the cake (aka "the universe")

The universe wasn't instantly created, it took him "7 Days" (which can be converted to whatever timspan you believe is realistic)
And looking at the Big Bang, even that was a process (no matter how "instant"/grand the bang was)

He couldn't just snap his fingers and appear comes Jesus. He needed to have his own Genealogy[Very 1st Chapter of Matthew) with its own long history and have a woman go through the pregnancy process to birth Jesus.

So knowing this, even if you're an omnipotent being or Mother Nature yourself.
You still can't just poof the metaphorical cake into existence.
You still need to go through the process.

Meaning even the Lord has Rules to follow.

>>42181208
>even God has to follow the laws of nature
I disagree, but that's fine - your answer is that God is limited.
>even the Lord has Rules to follow.
Then he isnt God, and whoever set up those rules is in charge.

>>42177028
equating cannibalism with rape and pedophilia is fucking retarded

>>42181218
I understand the idea of God is that there is no limit but this makes sense if you see God/Mother Nature as the same thing.
Take away the "omnipotence" and suddenly everyone forgives Mother Nature for being a cruel merciless bitch.
Its only if you imagine some silly image of a man in the sky does this perplexes you.
What makes more sense, an intelligent being consciously and arbitrarily setting themselves back/limiting themselves or that force of nature bound by the forces of its own nature.

>>42181254
>Take away the "omnipotence" and suddenly everyone forgives
Yes. If someone is limited, the questions that arise when one is unlimited dont apply.
This doesnt excuse God.
>Its only if you imagine some silly image of a man in the sky does this perplexes you.
No, it isnt the form, its the omnipotence.
You have decided that God is limited.
that's fine.
I dont, and plenty of others dont.
>What makes more sense
Neither makes sense, when dealing with the ultimate source.
But "makes sense" is completely irrelevant.
What makes you think reality has to "make sense" to you?

>>42177028
god will explain it to you when you're dead. till then just settle down.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

>>42181276
Very true, reality doesn't have to make sense.
You can even argue that we will never reach a point where anything makes sense.
No matter how far into the future we go we may never fully understand anything(especially the universe).

I'm simply stating that even in the Bible, with all the Supernatural occurrences and miracles, God still had to go through processes to achieve majority of these things.
Hence the cake analogy.
You may see it as being limited, but if no one else can bake the cake but you, how limited is it really? That the only hurdle is to actually bake the cake.

>>42181311
>even in the Bible
I put no stock in the Bible.
>God still had to go through processes
I disagree with this. God has no process needed, nor does God "have a plan", because that would imply God NEEDS a process, or that God wouldnt immediately have what God wants without any time.
This is the endgame. This realm is meant to be here, doing this.
>Hence the cake analogy.
A point where all the analogies fail - whether making a cake or whether God's a parent teaching a kid or whatever - they all depend on the understanding that the doer is limited.
That doesnt apply to God.
>if no one else can bake the cake but you, how limited is it really?
Very.
>the only hurdle is to actually bake the cake.
To bake a cake, you first need to create the universe.
Who "baked the cake" that are the rules your concept of God has to follow?
How can they "just be" such that God has to follow them, and yet has no enforcer?

>>42181230
Ever heard of albert fish? He would rape and eat his victims which were children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish

>>42179422
They came to earth to take wives. They created the nephililim. The god in the old testament is called Enlil. He's also called yahweh. The old testament is copied from a much older source. The 7 tablets of the Enuma Elish was scribed on clay tablets 4000 years before the old testament.

>>42181392
I understand not caring for the Bible, but it is a medium to discuss what majority of people colloquially imagine/reference to as God.
And even in that, those people thousands of years ago still attributed those things I discussed into God.
Created the Universe in 6 Days and Rest on the 7th?
Needed to sacrifice his only begotten Son to undo something you can argue he created?
These are all processes that technically doesn't need to happen if he's truly All Powerful.

Not every process is a plan.
You deciding to get up to take a shit requires time and energy and its not some grand plan.
Its just the routine of the day.
You eat when you're hungry.
Sleep when you're tired, etc.
Whose to say creating the universe and being Mother Nature even was a grand plan?
Just the natural course of nature itself.

>>42181392
Also, to answer why God even NEEDS a process, if you believe the only thing that's absolute is ENERGY. Then you understand Energy needs Time and Energy itself to be spent.
The Big Bang required Energy and Time
You taking a shit requires Energy and Time
Everything in the universe is Energy and Time.
So why wouldn't God be bound by this too?

He could have just snapped his fingers and the universe is created in just one day / Jesus appears out of thin air but no, he had to go through the process of Energy and Time

>>42181562
But all in all, to answer why suffering exists.
The answer is (you can call it a copout)

The answer is too complex for any of us to ever understand even if God dumbed it down to his absolute ability.
Like explaining to an Ant the ways of our Life, it would never be capable of ever understanding any of it if we could speak to them.

The Book of Job, at the very end after Job goes through all his pain and suffering because God wagered he would stay faithfully true to him against Satan (Job being God's greatest servant)
Job gets to ask God why?
And he answers similarly, but by going on and on and on about "You weren't there when I created this and that " for an ENTIRE CHAPTER
Ultimately its this.
The answer is too complex for any of us to ever understand.
Call it a copout.
But its the most reasonable answer.
The answer is indeed to complex for us to ever understand even at the End of Time.

>>42177028
Because this universe is predatory and evil duh. Why do you think the trexes and lions dominated the jungle?

>>42181440
At work, will respond in a few hours.

>>42177028
On a cosmic level, all experiences are valuable. That's like asking why people play video games where you kill people

>>42181440
>it is a medium to discuss what majority of people colloquially imagine/reference to as God.
There are tens of millions that accept God and not the Bible. It's irrelevant to this discussion, unless you is want to throw dogmatic phrases at each other.
>These are all processes
And the Bible is wrong to say it that way.
They give a very bad conception of God, a limited, ethnically biased version.
>Not every process is a plan.
So you are accusing God of not only being under control of others' rules, but of doing so thoughtlessly.
>You deciding to get up to take a shit requires time and energy and its not some grand plan.
1 - yes that is a plan. Plans do t need to be grand.
2 - you are not omnipotent, and are forced to follow rules
I have said it okay for you to claim God is limited.
I don't claim that, and you showing all the ways your conception is limited doesn't affect my lack of acceptance.
>>42181562
>if you believe the only thing that's absolute is ENERGY.
I don't, and that's silly. If "only energy" is absolute then it can't be absolute because it is dependent on being energy. Absolute means regardless of time, place, and circumstance. Absolute is true whether energy or not.
The Supreme Person is Absolute, not something dependent and exploitable by God.
>why wouldn't God be bound by this too?
Because God established the rules.
AND you are purely talking about material realm physics. That's not even god, but way way way below the Supreme Person.
>He could have just snapped his fingers and the universe is created
1 - doesn't even need to snap
2 - material realm is eternal and never created.
This is the main problem with Biblical understanding.
They have no concept of what is eternal.

It's a bad conception of God, and one I don't push forward.

>>42182299
>So you are accusing God of not only being under control of others' rules, but of doing so thoughtlessly.

You say this like a negative. "Thoughtlessly".
Why does there need to be intention?
Water flows, who cares at the end of the day why exactly other than to satisfy a curiosity.
Plans involve intention.
Processes don't.

As far as absolute go. What exactly is absolute?
You can argue absolutely nothing is absolute.
I'm speaking in physicalities because that's the only relm we experience Reality.
We can't see/hear/experience everything compared to other animals.
There's simply too much to understand.

>>42182402
>Why does there need to be intention?
Because the question was "why". If you want to reject this, them you become irrelevant and ignorance in regards to the topic.
>Water flows, who cares at the end of the day why exactly
Water is under the control of gravity.
You can say who cares, but then you have no basis to argue or counter when people tell you why.
You want to say you don't care, and ALSO say those who do and figured it out are wrong.
>Processes don't.
There is no process without the intent to set one up.
There is no processing without the intent to have things processed.
>What exactly is absolute?
I already gave you this, and you are the one that brought up the word so you not having a concept is intellectual laziness.
>You can argue absolutely nothing is absolute.
ARE you arguing that? Because before you said energy is absolute.
So are you lying now or were you lying then?

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>>42177028
You are God, so that includes you, also, for the fact that you refuse to understand that it's literally as simple as "le free will" only goes to show regardless how "good things" may seem, there still will be a retards beyond any rhyme of reason.

As for "abnormalities", it seems that a certain % error is simply written in core creation and is very much crucial part of it. Id argue the reason for it is so that creation simply collapses on it self at some point from accumulation of error and creation starts a new. Simply put, the existence of error is a necessary part of perpetual mechanism that is creation. Ironically also it make the existence it self quite an "entertaining" experience, for things like pedos, cataclysms, serial killers, or a chance of you simply stop existing because on of your organs stops randomly working, or people just being retards like you and dig themselves into a psychological hole of self hating insanity making every one around them miserable because they expect everything to be given to them without putting any effort themselves.

TL;DR
This world is Divine gods creation and his lone playground and we as God should be feel blessed by our creation since only we know the true misery of infinite void of eternal loneliness.

>>42177028
He didn't.

>>42182828
>There is no process without the intent to set one up.
There is no processing without the intent to have things processed.
Why doesn't need intention.
Processes don't need intention.
Something can simply be.

There's no "intention" to the rocks eroding/water moving from the force of the moon/these are just occurrences of processes that simply are.

>You can say who cares, but then you have no basis to argue or counter when people tell you why.

Why would it matter who is right? It won't stop the water from flowing.
Me knowing that currents get their strength from the force of the moon doesn't affect the reality/phenomenon that's gonna occur anyway regardless of my understanding of it.
Merely a curiosity to be filled.

As far as absolutes go. I'm not arguing this or that. I'm simply stating "You may argue" for this and that and you'd have a valid point.

>>42177028
>people are too stupid to even understand the basic decline of the world through the ages

>>42179267
Men are attracted to little kids?

>>42183994
>There's no "intention" to the rocks eroding/water moving
There is, because they were created by God.
You keep pointing to God's will and trying to say there is no evidence of will.
>Why would it matter who is right?
You didnt say right or wrong, you said apathy.
You said you dont care, and that was a lie because you are very much caring about right and wrong.
>As far as absolutes go. I'm not arguing this or that.
Again - you brought it up, now you want to run away from it. That's fine. We can ignore this wording.

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>>42177028
>muh pedophilia

Meanwhile, in the Bible:
Exodus 21:7-11
>7And if a man sells his daughter as a slave, she is not to go free as the menservants do. 8If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who had designated her for himself,b he must allow her to be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, since he has broken faith with her. 9And if he chooses her for his son, he must deal with her as with a daughter. 10If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife. 11If, however, he does not provide her with these three things, she is free to go without monetary payment.

Numbers 31:17-18
>Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Judges 21:12
>They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
>If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/deuteronomy/22-28.htm
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/judges/21-12.htm
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5291.htm

>>42184844
first time visiting earth?

>>42184910
Weird. I thought we all fantasized about brutalizing your kind in the most sadistic ways possible. But I guess there are two kinds.

>>42177028
>Why did God (or the universe) create a world where Pedophiles exist?
Because he thought that would be funny. It's not a coincidence that the most religious astrological sign is also the most rapey one.

>>42184974
sweetie, you have no idea what "my kind" is
(hint: not from earth)

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>>42177028
Blah blah blah this is yet another thread about muh Jews go outside OP and take your meds
>>42184894
Cool. Now let's go through the Quran and talk about how it says it's okay to marry a 9 year old

>>42177028
>God (or the universe)
Because the universe is mechanical in nature and predatory. It's a fucking machine networked into some sort of artificial intelligence and it consumes life.

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>>42185011
>Im not from earf
Cries out the pathetic pederast rat

>>42185938
I'm not a pedophile, I was the one pointing out that they're all dicklets. Don't butt into our conversation if you can't follow along.

>>42177028
I would say its a misunderstanding of god’s nature and his relationship to the universe. Fundamentally, this material realm was formed by a withdrawal of god from existence, basically. Whatever system set in motion, would well have to continue with only very precise adjustment if any at all. One errant twitch, the whole thing would just burn up to nothing again. “Oh but that means he’s not omnipotent” who cares! The question isn’t “what can god do spontaneously and supernaturally?” But “how can this force sustaining existence be more expressly manifested into our reality by my actions?” Or if you like “how can I fix what is wrong with me before yelling about some kind of sky daddy?”